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The Events of 9/11 From a Professional Pilot's point of view

 
Capt Dan  (OP)

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You train pilots at 6AM? Kinda early for work, isn’t it? Phoenix in Sept is 3 hours behind east coast time. First plane hit WTC1 at 8:46 A.M.
 Quoting: Drei Hund Nacht


Hi Drei,

Yes, simulators are very expensive pieces of hardware - often as expensive as the airplanes they mimic. Therefore, they need to be in use up to 20 hours per day. The other 4 hours are reserved for tech maintenance. Because we were a small airline, we leased the sims from America West and were relegated to the early morning periods.

On the morning of 911, we were in the 0700-1100 period.
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Would it be possible to add a long range laser dot (on steroids) to the nose of a plane, to aid in aligning the plane to the building from a longer distance thus improving accuracy? Or perhaps converging lasers on both wings? That would also explain the footage of a plane hitting one of the building where a bright spot can be seen, a milisecond before impacting the building.
 Quoting: 2faced


Yes and a very good possibility that I had not considered.

Missiles use laser-guidance and I don't see why the tech couldn't be adapted to aircraft. Plausible but not provable sadly...
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The two 767s could very well have been remote controlled from the ground until they hit the towers. That's what I always thought from Day One.

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Absolutely plausible and makes the most sense based on what I know.
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Capt. Dan,

If MH370 was remote controlled could it have fit into regular airspace over Pakistan or Afghanistan, say for instance taking a position of a plane that had been circling for 6 hours and fell off around the same time MH370 would have entered that airspace? Can call signs be changed in the air? Does local air traffic report those incidents?

Thanks!
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Hi Miss Cleo,

Well, as for a swap in mid air; it is definitely possible if preparation was done. It would take modifying the transponder. Each aircraft has a transponder hex code that is hard wired. The transponder beacon code is changed every flight by the pilots. But the hex code is unique to every airframe and cannot be changed without special programming.

It can be done though...

As for local traffic, the sky is so big that it would be easy to have 2 aircraft change places in flight without anyone ever seeing it.
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Would GLEK be a call sign easily manipulated in that situation? But how did they disable all the passengers? No texts no towers and lack of oxygen?
 Quoting: MissCleo


Sadly, dealing with the people would be the easiest part of the operation. Depressurization is just a matter of a circuit breaker and switch.
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As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

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There were no planes. They were HOLOGRAMS. They hide the fact that they have these and can even used them in sun light.
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Capt. Dan,

If MH370 was remote controlled could it have fit into regular airspace over Pakistan or Afghanistan, say for instance taking a position of a plane that had been circling for 6 hours and fell off around the same time MH370 would have entered that airspace? Can call signs be changed in the air? Does local air traffic report those incidents?

Thanks!
Miss Cleo
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Hi Miss Cleo,

Well, as for a swap in mid air; it is definitely possible if preparation was done. It would take modifying the transponder. Each aircraft has a transponder hex code that is hard wired. The transponder beacon code is changed every flight by the pilots. But the hex code is unique to every airframe and cannot be changed without special programming.

It can be done though...

As for local traffic, the sky is so big that it would be easy to have 2 aircraft change places in flight without anyone ever seeing it.
 Quoting: Capt Dan


Would GLEK be a call sign easily manipulated in that situation? But how did they disable all the passengers? No texts no towers and lack of oxygen?
 Quoting: MissCleo


Sadly, dealing with the people would be the easiest part of the operation. Depressurization is just a matter of a circuit breaker and switch.
 Quoting: Capt Dan


TSA isn't going to stop remote controls. Richard Reid the Christmas underwear bomber was stopped by wet matches.
Again, the desire to down planes isn't going away. When do we get fed up and disarm the source? Is this regular conversation in Union meetings?
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Thanks for sharing C.D.
I tell people how I feel every time the subject comes up. The other day at a store my total was 9.11 and the milk I was buying expired on 9.11, so I used that to express my feelings to the clerk and the people in line. Never stop spreading the truth.
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The two 767s could very well have been remote controlled from the ground until they hit the towers. That's what I always thought from Day One.

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 Quoting: Concorde Warrior F-BVFA


Absolutely plausible and makes the most sense based on what I know.
 Quoting: Capt Dan


Or maybe using some kind of missle guidance technology?

Honing hardware somewhere in the towers, small changes to the software in the autopilot...

That's why it had to be two different airlines (but not more than two) so the software/hardware matchup was predetermined and no chance of interference.

All the pilot would have to do is guide the planes into the general direction of the towers or pentagon.

Timed with some bombs. Well there you go...

I know people who saw the planes. There is no agenda for them to lie. Planes were definitely real but not the truth, ya gnome saying?
You're the only one who gets to choose your vision... is the glass half empty or half full?

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I'm not a Computer Graphics expert, but from all the variables of 9/11, I fully believe the planes were CGI. Them showing an intact aluminum plane nose traveling completely through the steel tower was a smack in the face giveaway to anyone picking through all of the bs claims.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


That footage can be seen in this short clip of an interview with Trump. He knew something was fishy. He states that bombs would have been needed for the plane to pierce through the external steel skeleton the way they did. How could an aluminum nosecone possibly penetrate through the external skeleton, the core, and come out the other side intact?

I don't like to pursue this theory too much though, because there are so many other easily provable anomalies that bring the whole thing into question.


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 Quoting: C.K. Dexter Haven


If it was CGI, how was it accomplished. There were many different camera shots of the planes. Were all those individual camera operators in on the ruse? What about all the witnesses on the ground and surrounding bldgs? Were they all in on it? Was it done with holograms? That technology is not here now and certainly wasn't around 17 years ago. Somethings fishy about the whole 9/11 scenario (esp. Bldg 7) but CGI isn't it.
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I'm not a Computer Graphics expert, but from all the variables of 9/11, I fully believe the planes were CGI. Them showing an intact aluminum plane nose traveling completely through the steel tower was a smack in the face giveaway to anyone picking through all of the bs claims.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


That footage can be seen in this short clip of an interview with Trump. He knew something was fishy. He states that bombs would have been needed for the plane to pierce through the external steel skeleton the way they did. How could an aluminum nosecone possibly penetrate through the external skeleton, the core, and come out the other side intact?

I don't like to pursue this theory too much though, because there are so many other easily provable anomalies that bring the whole thing into question.


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If it was CGI, how was it accomplished. There were many different camera shots of the planes. Were all those individual camera operators in on the ruse? What about all the witnesses on the ground and surrounding bldgs? Were they all in on it? Was it done with holograms? That technology is not here now and certainly wasn't around 17 years ago. Somethings fishy about the whole 9/11 scenario (esp. Bldg 7) but CGI isn't it.
 Quoting: Deplorable Busterhymen


There's some james bond tyoe movie from the 90's my hubs made me go to for a date night back before kids. I remember the spy putting a gadget on the side of a building and then an aircraft carrier launching a missile right into it... So something like that definitely available 17 years ago.

Put the hardware and bombs in the building, the guidance software in the autopilot, the transponder in the aircraft nose.

Boom.


But I'm no expert.
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The planes were CGI.

I'm afraid I'm useless at keeping track of links, so I can't point you to the evidence. But I can tell you there's a video taken from a helicopter that show the towers at a wide angle, then zooms in, and then the plane enters the frame and hits the tower. The thing is, there was no plane in the zoomed out part of the clip, which it would have to be if the plane was real!

Another thing is that a lot of people who were there report that they didn't see the planes personally, but someone nearby yelled out "OMG, a plane just hit the tower!" or something like that. Seems they had hired people to plant the idea so people would think they saw it, or at least not question those who say they did.
 Quoting: The Monk


This.

Computer graphics pumped out to all stations, with minor changes to each broadcast to make them seem like they were covering it live. Nothing we saw on tell-a-vision regarding those planes were live. That’s what I believe.


And thank you Capt Dan for your insight.
 Quoting: Pepperroni


I think you are spot on. A lot of the plane propaganda witnesses sounded like their voice was added to a prerecorded video on many of the ones I have seen.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


Forgot to mention the sound effects of the attack. Go watch.
 Quoting: Pepperroni


There is one interesting video from good day NY when the first fake plane supposedly hit, but I can't find it now. I think they erased it from YT.
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Thanks for sharing C.D.
I tell people how I feel every time the subject comes up. The other day at a store my total was 9.11 and the milk I was buying expired on 9.11, so I used that to express my feelings to the clerk and the people in line. Never stop spreading the truth.
 Quoting: Bush Master


Thanks for you sharing also B.M. It is a hard thing to do but the crime is in not voicing concerns when we have them. Too many professionals are afraid to speak out.
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The two 767s could very well have been remote controlled from the ground until they hit the towers. That's what I always thought from Day One.

bump
 Quoting: Concorde Warrior F-BVFA


Absolutely plausible and makes the most sense based on what I know.
 Quoting: Capt Dan


Or maybe using some kind of missle guidance technology?

Honing hardware somewhere in the towers, small changes to the software in the autopilot...

That's why it had to be two different airlines (but not more than two) so the software/hardware matchup was predetermined and no chance of interference.

All the pilot would have to do is guide the planes into the general direction of the towers or pentagon.

Timed with some bombs. Well there you go...

I know people who saw the planes. There is no agenda for them to lie. Planes were definitely real but not the truth, ya gnome saying?
 Quoting: Bright Side


Personally (and as always, I could be wrong) I believe that real planes hit the buildings. That being said, I do not believe any human pilot could have flown them that way.

And when you look at the data from the maneuvers to hit the Pentagon it is obvious that a switch was pulled and a missile hit the building. Not a plane.

And then there is building 7. The point is, if they lied about even one of the targets then we can't believe any of it!
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The planes were CGI.

I'm afraid I'm useless at keeping track of links, so I can't point you to the evidence. But I can tell you there's a video taken from a helicopter that show the towers at a wide angle, then zooms in, and then the plane enters the frame and hits the tower. The thing is, there was no plane in the zoomed out part of the clip, which it would have to be if the plane was real!

Another thing is that a lot of people who were there report that they didn't see the planes personally, but someone nearby yelled out "OMG, a plane just hit the tower!" or something like that. Seems they had hired people to plant the idea so people would think they saw it, or at least not question those who say they did.
 Quoting: The Monk


Yeah, there isn't a plane in the wide angle shot. It doesn't appear until the zoom in~~~

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go to about the 4:20 mark in this one for more elaboration:

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The two 767s could very well have been remote controlled from the ground until they hit the towers. That's what I always thought from Day One.

bump
 Quoting: Concorde Warrior F-BVFA


Absolutely plausible and makes the most sense based on what I know.
 Quoting: Capt Dan


Or maybe using some kind of missle guidance technology?

Honing hardware somewhere in the towers, small changes to the software in the autopilot...

That's why it had to be two different airlines (but not more than two) so the software/hardware matchup was predetermined and no chance of interference.

All the pilot would have to do is guide the planes into the general direction of the towers or pentagon.

Timed with some bombs. Well there you go...

I know people who saw the planes. There is no agenda for them to lie. Planes were definitely real but not the truth, ya gnome saying?
 Quoting: Bright Side


Personally (and as always, I could be wrong) I believe that real planes hit the buildings. That being said, I do not believe any human pilot could have flown them that way.

And when you look at the data from the maneuvers to hit the Pentagon it is obvious that a switch was pulled and a missile hit the building. Not a plane.

And then there is building 7. The point is, if they lied about even one of the targets then we can't believe any of it!
 Quoting: Capt Dan


What is your opinion of how the plane just sliced into the tower like butter?
There are many disinformants on message boards who will claim to have seen planes or claim they know people who saw planes. Video is the only reliable test to what happened on 9/11. Video is not trustworthy, but has much more testability than word of mouth.
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Well, I've got some 737 time and I remember that day and with the Pentagon nonsense thinking there's NO WAY that could even happen.

Let alone the fact there was only a 13' hole in the building before it magically collapsed, the engines which are two tons each and made of titanium never made a dimple in the building upon "supposed impact" and just magically vaporized in the fire. This too couldn't happen.

But that feat of FLYING was an amazing thing! Flying past the pentagon, U-turning back to line up for impact while traveling at 500 mph (Well past the design limit of the airplane while loaded and maneuvering) To quickly line it up (and shits moving fast at that speed) and fly it through ground effect and hit the ground floor of a 33' vertical target, well, that's SOME flying. Not sure it could be done, and in reading the Sim story in this post where experienced pilots couldn't easily hit the towers, well, there ya go

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Absolutely plausible and makes the most sense based on what I know.
 Quoting: Capt Dan


Or maybe using some kind of missle guidance technology?

Honing hardware somewhere in the towers, small changes to the software in the autopilot...

That's why it had to be two different airlines (but not more than two) so the software/hardware matchup was predetermined and no chance of interference.

All the pilot would have to do is guide the planes into the general direction of the towers or pentagon.

Timed with some bombs. Well there you go...

I know people who saw the planes. There is no agenda for them to lie. Planes were definitely real but not the truth, ya gnome saying?
 Quoting: Bright Side


Personally (and as always, I could be wrong) I believe that real planes hit the buildings. That being said, I do not believe any human pilot could have flown them that way.

And when you look at the data from the maneuvers to hit the Pentagon it is obvious that a switch was pulled and a missile hit the building. Not a plane.

And then there is building 7. The point is, if they lied about even one of the targets then we can't believe any of it!
 Quoting: Capt Dan


What is your opinion of how the plane just sliced into the tower like butter?
There are many disinformants on message boards who will claim to have seen planes or claim they know people who saw planes. Video is the only reliable test to what happened on 9/11. Video is not trustworthy, but has much more testability than word of mouth.
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I agree with you about reliability... 17 years later who knows the difference of what someone really saw vs. What they think they saw...

However using a plane as a missle using guiding technology definitely capable in the 2000's it could be coordinated with bombs at impact to allow for that "butter" scenario. Remember in the Goudet (sp?) film there was the allegation burning jet fuel poured down elevator shafts and caused the blowouts of all the windows yet an hour later people came out of the elevators who were stuck...

So if it was a strong enough "bomb" effect to blow outerwindows from an internal shaft how come structures (and people) close enough were not incinerated.

Also as a med professional I find the lack of body parts amazing. The human body is incredibly sturdy.
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What is your opinion of how the plane just sliced into the tower like butter?
There are many disinformants on message boards who will claim to have seen planes or claim they know people who saw planes. Video is the only reliable test to what happened on 9/11. Video is not trustworthy, but has much more testability than word of mouth.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


I am not a physics major. I don't know what happens when an airplane traveling at such speeds hits concrete and glass.

What I do know about is flying airplanes. And I can tell you that it is impossible for those airplanes to be traveling at those speeds so close to the ground - even if piloted by an experienced pilot. The aerodynamics don't add up.

And then throw in the experience level of the so-called hijackers? The whole thing didn't happen as we were told.

What did happen? I am not sure...
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What is your opinion of how the plane just sliced into the tower like butter?
There are many disinformants on message boards who will claim to have seen planes or claim they know people who saw planes. Video is the only reliable test to what happened on 9/11. Video is not trustworthy, but has much more testability than word of mouth.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


I am not a physics major. I don't know what happens when an airplane traveling at such speeds hits concrete and glass.

What I do know about is flying airplanes. And I can tell you that it is impossible for those airplanes to be traveling at those speeds so close to the ground - even if piloted by an experienced pilot. The aerodynamics don't add up.

And then throw in the experience level of the so-called hijackers? The whole thing didn't happen as we were told.

What did happen? I am not sure...
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I'm not schooled in physics either but we have common sense to know that planes aren't built to fly through objects they shouldn't be able to. Bird strikes and hail penetrate planes. The jet above hit a concrete wall and immediately disentigrates on impact.
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Or maybe using some kind of missle guidance technology?

Honing hardware somewhere in the towers, small changes to the software in the autopilot...

That's why it had to be two different airlines (but not more than two) so the software/hardware matchup was predetermined and no chance of interference.

All the pilot would have to do is guide the planes into the general direction of the towers or pentagon.

Timed with some bombs. Well there you go...

I know people who saw the planes. There is no agenda for them to lie. Planes were definitely real but not the truth, ya gnome saying?
 Quoting: Bright Side


Personally (and as always, I could be wrong) I believe that real planes hit the buildings. That being said, I do not believe any human pilot could have flown them that way.

And when you look at the data from the maneuvers to hit the Pentagon it is obvious that a switch was pulled and a missile hit the building. Not a plane.

And then there is building 7. The point is, if they lied about even one of the targets then we can't believe any of it!
 Quoting: Capt Dan


What is your opinion of how the plane just sliced into the tower like butter?
There are many disinformants on message boards who will claim to have seen planes or claim they know people who saw planes. Video is the only reliable test to what happened on 9/11. Video is not trustworthy, but has much more testability than word of mouth.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


I agree with you about reliability... 17 years later who knows the difference of what someone really saw vs. What they think they saw...

However using a plane as a missle using guiding technology definitely capable in the 2000's it could be coordinated with bombs at impact to allow for that "butter" scenario. Remember in the Goudet (sp?) film there was the allegation burning jet fuel poured down elevator shafts and caused the blowouts of all the windows yet an hour later people came out of the elevators who were stuck...

So if it was a strong enough "bomb" effect to blow outerwindows from an internal shaft how come structures (and people) close enough were not incinerated.

Also as a med professional I find the lack of body parts amazing. The human body is incredibly sturdy.
 Quoting: Bright Side


I saw a little flash of light that seemed to appear right before impact, but wouldn't have been nearly enough explosives to soften enough of the building for the plane to enter as it did. The little flash was no where close to the width of the plane and would be extremely hard to time for a plane moving over 500 mph.

I'm not convinced anyone died on 9/11 without seeing bodies in person or enough on video to convince me. It's common trend for the elites to pretend killing people with no one actually dying.

If anything to go along with CD, they could have possibly used cruise missiles which has the speed of around 550 mph I believe. I find it interesting that they listed the plane speed at the speed cruise missiles fly.

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I have also flown commercial from 1979 until 2015. and how do your pilots make the threshold of the runway if they can't hit a building. You must have some very poor pilots. That being said it may still be very difficult for a novice to do it, but on the other hand a blind squirrel even gets a nut now and then
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A 737 established on a stable approach to a runway at an approach speed of roughly 125 kts is extremely manageable and thats why it works time after time. Sometimes it does not work and thats why you may see an airliner abort the landing and go around for a second approach.

What the OP is referring to is a heavily laden, clean [no drag devices deployed yet] airliner traveling at maximum speeds..350 kts and trying to manage that mass and speed while turning to hit a small target would be a challenge.

Some theorize that these "pilots" may have also received flight training in actual like airliners off shore.

Watch aircraft either at the airport or on Flighttracker and see how many times when an aircraft is being vectored to intercept the extended center line of a runway for landing will overshoot/cross vs turning precisely to line- mismanaging speed and mass.

Its harder than you think.

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You train pilots at 6AM? Kinda early for work, isn’t it? Phoenix in Sept is 3 hours behind east coast time. First plane hit WTC1 at 8:46 A.M.
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Planes fly around the clock...

Simulators are expensive machines and are in high demand and in use around the clock also except when required maintenance is scheduled.

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As a person who has been a pilot, I can tell you that if you spend two weeks training to hit the towers, it can be done.

I don't mean two hours a day for two weeks, but spend 80 hours in the simulator doing it OVER and OVER and OVER again.

I can't go into WHY I know this but some forms of strikes in Warthogs utilize some very unconventional methods to deliver a bomb back before the wire controls were perfected.

I am can assure you that I can hit a door of a hut at full speed with just one functioning eye and bleeding.

So, with that said, I have a MUCH harder time believing that all these planes had terrorists that said,

Shutup, sit down and make TONS of phone calls!

Who had EVER been hijacked and told they can make all the calls they want. Many calls lasting 20 minutes. That's just plain ignorant!
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Most new pilots can land on a narrow strip but experienced pilots can't hit a building. And are also taught early on how to tell if an object is above or below you.

You did take into account that these guys had simulator time.

But fine, it was all projections, explosives and magic and Islam is truly an all encompassing civilization of peace.

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I'm not schooled in physics either but we have common sense to know that planes aren't built to fly through objects they shouldn't be able to. Bird strikes and hail penetrate planes. The jet above hit a concrete wall and immediately disentigrates on impact.
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except for the fact that commercial airplanes have weights in the nose for stability.

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As a person who has been a pilot, I can tell you that if you spend two weeks training to hit the towers, it can be done.

I don't mean two hours a day for two weeks, but spend 80 hours in the simulator doing it OVER and OVER and OVER again.

I can't go into WHY I know this but some forms of strikes in Warthogs utilize some very unconventional methods to deliver a bomb back before the wire controls were perfected.

I am can assure you that I can hit a door of a hut at full speed with just one functioning eye and bleeding.

So, with that said, I have a MUCH harder time believing that all these planes had terrorists that said,

Shutup, sit down and make TONS of phone calls!

Who had EVER been hijacked and told they can make all the calls they want. Many calls lasting 20 minutes. That's just plain ignorant!
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the scenario that Capt. Dan agreed upon was remote hijacking, possibly from computers that Atta and other "hijackers" had onboard, no fuss, no gun slinging, no demanding the flight attendants take off their clothes. Silent hijackers.

The only reason the Pennsylvania plane rushed the terrorists is because of the texts and calls they received. Wouldn't take long to pinpoint the Muslims onboard.

But these guys are still out there. Terrorists are not stopping acts of terrorism. They never will... maybe we should focus on that rather than those who are hoaxtarding.
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I'm not schooled in physics either but we have common sense to know that planes aren't built to fly through objects they shouldn't be able to. Bird strikes and hail penetrate planes. The jet above hit a concrete wall and immediately disentigrates on impact.
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except for the fact that commercial airplanes have weights in the nose for stability.

videojockey.
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Do they put the weights in the wings too so they can slice through steel buildings like a knife though butter?

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As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan


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I'm not a Computer Graphics expert, but from all the variables of 9/11, I fully believe the planes were CGI. Them showing an intact aluminum plane nose traveling completely through the steel tower was a smack in the face giveaway to anyone picking through all of the bs claims.
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Exactly !!

All fuselage, engines ,etc should have crashed outside the building and falling down to street.
A plane crossing completely trough the building was a joke for sheepeople.
It was physically impossible
It was a good hologram to fool us .
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