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The Events of 9/11 From a Professional Pilot's point of view

 
Rufus Juice

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calling complete bullshit on this ~

The world trade center was 200' wide.

the biggest runaway at Logan, Laguardia or LAX is 150'.

any pilot could hit a target bigger than a runway you jackass
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calling complete bullshit on this ~

The world trade center was 200' wide.

the biggest runaway at Logan, Laguardia or LAX is 150'.

any pilot could hit a target bigger than a runway you jackass
 Quoting: Rufus Juice


Yep that's true. Now try to do it a 360 kts.

Funny how people like to comment without even reading.
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I listened to a long youtube video yesterday that was all of the 9/11 ATC audio feeds put together.

It was mentioned a couple of times that both of the NYC planes slowed down a lot (in addition to descending) before they hit the towers.

Edit: found the video. [link to youtu.be (secure)]

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like this then? take your bs elsewhere



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like this then? take your bs elsewhere



 Quoting: Rufus Juice


I love how you flight sim gamer kids think you can fly a plane.

Go back to your mother's basement and eat your cheetos
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Capt. Dan,

What's next? Tomorrow is a critical day?

Thanks,
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Stop being baited into whether a plane could hit a target, it is only distraction from there being no fucking planes to begin with. The elites create fake reality to see how ridiculous they can make fake shit and get away with. It's all a test of fuckery to test how stupid and believing the public is.
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Stop being baited into whether a plane could hit a target, it is only distraction from there being no fucking planes to begin with. The elites create fake reality to see how ridiculous they can make fake shit and get away with. It's all a test of fuckery to test how stupid and believing the public is.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


Yep.
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I'm not a Computer Graphics expert, but from all the variables of 9/11, I fully believe the planes were CGI. Them showing an intact aluminum plane nose traveling completely through the steel tower was a smack in the face giveaway to anyone picking through all of the bs claims.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


That footage can be seen in this short clip of an interview with Trump. He knew something was fishy. He states that bombs would have been needed for the plane to pierce through the external steel skeleton the way they did. How could an aluminum nosecone possibly penetrate through the external skeleton, the core, and come out the other side intact?

I don't like to pursue this theory too much though, because there are so many other easily provable anomalies that bring the whole thing into question.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: C.K. Dexter Haven


Trump literally knew in minutes that something was fucked up. No other politician, celebrity etc would dare go on TV and basically call bullshit that soon after.

This is just one of many reasons I know Trump is for real.
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like this then? take your bs elsewhere



 Quoting: Rufus Juice


I love how you flight sim gamer kids think you can fly a plane.

Go back to your mother's basement and eat your cheetos
 Quoting: Capt Dan


Lmao right are you joking
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As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan


 Quoting: Capt Dan

I used to work for a simulator company called Evans & Sutherland. I tried to fly a 737 into the towers in it, and it took me about 7 times to get it right. 737s aren't maneuverable like a Cessna.
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The planes were CGI.

I'm afraid I'm useless at keeping track of links, so I can't point you to the evidence. But I can tell you there's a video taken from a helicopter that show the towers at a wide angle, then zooms in, and then the plane enters the frame and hits the tower. The thing is, there was no plane in the zoomed out part of the clip, which it would have to be if the plane was real!

Another thing is that a lot of people who were there report that they didn't see the planes personally, but someone nearby yelled out "OMG, a plane just hit the tower!" or something like that. Seems they had hired people to plant the idea so people would think they saw it, or at least not question those who say they did.
 Quoting: The Monk


pretty cheap theory to be honest. Aren't you aware how many thousands of eyes were fixed on these towers as soon the initial smoke became visible to the public? The 2nd plane hit after that.

I'm not saying that I believe everything I see on tv let alone news channels but there were more than enough eye witnesses around that day. Why would they lie to us?
 Quoting: Guesswhoitis


I'm Sydney based, and bro-inlaw is high banker wanker and was in NY on the day of 911 with delegation of roughly 30 folks from his company. He remembers the second plane hitting and saw the explosion from their vantage point, and so did the others apparently.

At a bbq at their place, in I think 2002, someone mentioned my interest in the 911 saga, and how I believed it was not planes and terrorists who brought down the three buildings.

Firstly 3 buildings? Err there were only two... well that blew their minds when they realised building 7 also fell, with no plane hit.

Then, when I questioned them on the second plane hit, they all recalled the explosion. But they described what they saw on TV, not any descriptions of any planes they actually saw. Not one of them actually saw a plane, despite staring at the unfolding disaster the whole time. But their stories always start with "I saw this Boeing come flying in and smash into the building, with this massive fire ball".

My point is, they were there, they saw an explosion and all the fires and people running, and debris, and the first building fall, and then they left the city like most folks and watched it all again and again, and again, and again on TV.

There is a term for it, but I cant recall it for the life of me. None of them were lying, they just merged what they saw, what they felt and what they saw on TV together.

But they're still all evil fuck banker wankers in my book!


CaptDan, you remind me of a talk I had with a gentleman recently beside a lake.
 Quoting: Sicksent


Hi SS! havent sen you around for a while mate.

I posted your amazing links to all the good stuff on Dufontain's master thread of GLP classics.

Cheers, BHD

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And Cap'n Dan, wow, thanks mate for taking the time to tell your story and share your incites of the day and beyond.

Have you seen or read much of Rebekah Roth's info on the day, from a flight attendent's perspective?

That is fascinating also, and would link in well to a lot of what you are saying. Indeed she mentions a lot of pilots corroborate what she has been saying.

Her take on the flight attendent's calls is that they were on the ground and in a hanger, likely ina room being prompted in those calls.

No engine noise in the bgnd for starters, and in Betty Ong's call, she mentions a hijacker standing at the top of the stairs. 747 maybe, but not 757 or 767! Only stairs are the mobile ones that lead up to the plane, or to a mezz level inside a hanger.

Food for thought.

I also have no issues with planes being inserted into video footage on the hop. It would have been harder back then, but easy now, and with all technology, that is the case. Photoshop used to be a heavily guarded 1980's tech, out of Israel, but every kid has it now! LOL

My initial post above regarding how folks recall things, especially under extreme conditions is fascinating.

That most of the people being interviewed on the TV networks were nearly all affiliated with the stations or in the video industry is not a surprise. It's a pretty crazy list when you go through who was on air that morning, and amazingly coincidental eh?

Who can forget the baseball cap wearing A-typical American guy who "saw the plane slam into the side of the building and then watched it collapse, mostly due to the intense fire from the jet fuel melting the steel beams". What an analysis only minutes after the event.....

They did find him you know, and he is a known bit part actor. If only they could find out who paid him and who gave him the script.....

This event is far from being over in people's minds, and whilst a horrible subject, is weirdly uniting (no pun) on a global scale. It may have happened in NY, and most of the folks who perished on the day at the sites were US citizens, but the rest of us watching instinctively knew something was off. I know I did, and I wont stop researching, watching, talking, listening and theorising until the day the truth comes to light.

Thanks again for sharing Cap'n Dan.

BTW, do you know/talk to J Lear? He's a very interesting fella, and is very easy to contact. He also believes it was impossible, and that CGI planes were used.

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OP I by no means doubt your expertise and I am a 9/11 truther myself (and also a quite old timer GLPer that does not log in often nowadays), I even signed the A&E for 9/11 truth petition for re opening of the investigation in 2004 already.

But I wonder what is your opinion on the flight simulation that appears in a dutch documentary from the TV Show Zembla that aired many years ago and sort of debunked at least the allegation of no plane hitting the Pentagon making a rookie cessna pilot take a flight simulator to hit the Pentagon recreating the official version and succeeding all three times.

The documentary, on the other hand agrees with the controlled demolition of the three WTC towers.

Flight sim section with a cessna pilot that is able to hit pentagon 3 times in a row starts at the 28 minutes mark on this video. They did not try the simulation of hitting the towers, as this documentary was only to evaluate claims of Loose Change documentary.

Of noting about this documentary (if you haven't seen it already) is that they interview a Dutch demolition expert that had never seen the WTC 7 "collapse" footage and he agrees it has all the characteristics of a controlled demolition. This expert died a couple of days after the documentary aired in public DutcH TV.



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I'm not a Computer Graphics expert, but from all the variables of 9/11, I fully believe the planes were CGI. Them showing an intact aluminum plane nose traveling completely through the steel tower was a smack in the face giveaway to anyone picking through all of the bs claims.
 Quoting: Thoseaintcontrails


That footage can be seen in this short clip of an interview with Trump. He knew something was fishy. He states that bombs would have been needed for the plane to pierce through the external steel skeleton the way they did. How could an aluminum nosecone possibly penetrate through the external skeleton, the core, and come out the other side intact?

I don't like to pursue this theory too much though, because there are so many other easily provable anomalies that bring the whole thing into question.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: C.K. Dexter Haven


Trump literally knew in minutes that something was fucked up. No other politician, celebrity etc would dare go on TV and basically call bullshit that soon after.

This is just one of many reasons I know Trump is for real.
 Quoting: JerseyBoy


He is still putting it on the terrorists and bombs. He didnt say controlled demolition and he still claims planes. He has never speculated it was our government that did it. He knew exactly what happened, but still spread disinfo. Trump is no different from any other politician in high power.
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The planes were CGI.

I'm afraid I'm useless at keeping track of links, so I can't point you to the evidence. But I can tell you there's a video taken from a helicopter that show the towers at a wide angle, then zooms in, and then the plane enters the frame and hits the tower. The thing is, there was no plane in the zoomed out part of the clip, which it would have to be if the plane was real!

Another thing is that a lot of people who were there report that they didn't see the planes personally, but someone nearby yelled out "OMG, a plane just hit the tower!" or something like that. Seems they had hired people to plant the idea so people would think they saw it, or at least not question those who say they did.
 Quoting: The Monk


pretty cheap theory to be honest. Aren't you aware how many thousands of eyes were fixed on these towers as soon the initial smoke became visible to the public? The 2nd plane hit after that.

I'm not saying that I believe everything I see on tv let alone news channels but there were more than enough eye witnesses around that day. Why would they lie to us?
 Quoting: Guesswhoitis


I'm Sydney based, and bro-inlaw is high banker wanker and was in NY on the day of 911 with delegation of roughly 30 folks from his company. He remembers the second plane hitting and saw the explosion from their vantage point, and so did the others apparently.

At a bbq at their place, in I think 2002, someone mentioned my interest in the 911 saga, and how I believed it was not planes and terrorists who brought down the three buildings.

Firstly 3 buildings? Err there were only two... well that blew their minds when they realised building 7 also fell, with no plane hit.

Then, when I questioned them on the second plane hit, they all recalled the explosion. But they described what they saw on TV, not any descriptions of any planes they actually saw. Not one of them actually saw a plane, despite staring at the unfolding disaster the whole time. But their stories always start with "I saw this Boeing come flying in and smash into the building, with this massive fire ball".

My point is, they were there, they saw an explosion and all the fires and people running, and debris, and the first building fall, and then they left the city like most folks and watched it all again and again, and again, and again on TV.

There is a term for it, but I cant recall it for the life of me. None of them were lying, they just merged what they saw, what they felt and what they saw on TV together.

But they're still all evil fuck banker wankers in my book!


CaptDan, you remind me of a talk I had with a gentleman recently beside a lake.
 Quoting: Sicksent


Hi SS! havent sen you around for a while mate.

I posted your amazing links to all the good stuff on Dufontain's master thread of GLP classics.

Cheers, BHD

--------------------------------

And Cap'n Dan, wow, thanks mate for taking the time to tell your story and share your incites of the day and beyond.

Have you seen or read much of Rebekah Roth's info on the day, from a flight attendent's perspective?

That is fascinating also, and would link in well to a lot of what you are saying. Indeed she mentions a lot of pilots corroborate what she has been saying.

Her take on the flight attendent's calls is that they were on the ground and in a hanger, likely ina room being prompted in those calls.

No engine noise in the bgnd for starters, and in Betty Ong's call, she mentions a hijacker standing at the top of the stairs. 747 maybe, but not 757 or 767! Only stairs are the mobile ones that lead up to the plane, or to a mezz level inside a hanger.

Food for thought.

I also have no issues with planes being inserted into video footage on the hop. It would have been harder back then, but easy now, and with all technology, that is the case. Photoshop used to be a heavily guarded 1980's tech, out of Israel, but every kid has it now! LOL

My initial post above regarding how folks recall things, especially under extreme conditions is fascinating.

That most of the people being interviewed on the TV networks were nearly all affiliated with the stations or in the video industry is not a surprise. It's a pretty crazy list when you go through who was on air that morning, and amazingly coincidental eh?

Who can forget the baseball cap wearing A-typical American guy who "saw the plane slam into the side of the building and then watched it collapse, mostly due to the intense fire from the jet fuel melting the steel beams". What an analysis only minutes after the event.....

They did find him you know, and he is a known bit part actor. If only they could find out who paid him and who gave him the script.....

This event is far from being over in people's minds, and whilst a horrible subject, is weirdly uniting (no pun) on a global scale. It may have happened in NY, and most of the folks who perished on the day at the sites were US citizens, but the rest of us watching instinctively knew something was off. I know I did, and I wont stop researching, watching, talking, listening and theorising until the day the truth comes to light.

Thanks again for sharing Cap'n Dan.

BTW, do you know/talk to J Lear? He's a very interesting fella, and is very easy to contact. He also believes it was impossible, and that CGI planes were used.
 Quoting: BadHairDay


Really great info and method of questioning them. Did they claim to know anyone that supposedly died?

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Bumping for a chance of getting an answer from Capt. Dan on the Pentagon Flight SIM.
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