The Events of 9/11 From a Professional Pilot's point of view

Believe none of what you read, and only half of what you see...

Piping in about terrorist training.
From a young age these guys train.
Pan Am Lockerbie (1980's) was let out of jail for cancer by Scotland, returned to Libya and trained a new generation of terrorists who have been training since 2009.

The blind Santa Shiek pulled off the first WTC bombing in 1993, wasn't big enough to be called "the Awakening". He was the Imam connected to the recent compound in New Mexico training kids to shoot up schools. And Linda Sarsour who is organizing protests all around the US.

This movement to destroy America will not stop.
There are only 4 choices for people who want to kill us: they kill us, they come back to finish us off, they give up (not likely), they are detered by a stronger force against them.

Again, so if the desire to kill us is ever present yes, they will train on light aircraft. See recent Toronto incident... which had a direct response from a foreign government, will explain in PM if you like.

I don't doubt that there are some out there that are hell bent on bringing nothing but chaos, specifically to the U.S. even. And that motivation will see them go to great lengths to achieve their goal.

My query is directed more towards their competence in piloting a sophisticated machine after beginning their training the year before the attacks and the instructor stating they weren't anything special... In a Cessna.

Believe none of what you read, and only half of what you see...

Yes. there are phases of training.
99% of Islamic terrorists have college degrees in engineering, so yes the training for terrorism missions would be the same caliper as a higher education degree. They don't do it on a whim.

Since they are already indoctrinated into Islam their mindset is clear. Next would be all aspects of flight, then time tables, fitting in as an American (Atta's years of flying around the US, he was based in Boca Raton Florida for the wealth demographics).

Many cells come together hours before the actual operation. They train separately and pass tests in order to become top of their ranking. They are not wannabes or lone wolves.

They took advantage of US flight schools to also learn American culture and flight languages, airport codes and innerworkings and get to know the rankings of American pilots and airlines.

answer?

Pilots land on a small strip of runway on virtually every landing..and most of those are manual--not autoland or computer assisted.

Sorry, but I'm not buying this, have been on WAY too many flights where they drop the plane right in the middle of the landing strip.

Calling BS on this one.

simple google search: "Terrorist Mohamed Atta was born in Egypt in 1968. He studied at Cairo University, earning his degree in 1990. Atta then studied at Hamburg Technical University for several years, completing his studies in 1999. While a student, he traveled to Afghanistan where he trained with al Qaeda. In 2001, Atta … trained as a flight pilot in Florida"
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10 years of training after college.
30 years of Islamic jihad.

Planes can fall apart at 33,000 ft.in thin air if pushed too hard, but those magic 9/11 planes were indestructible.

500 mph at sea level is like trying to fly a plane through concrete

As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan

for hours now i've tried this link it just spins for me and will not play.

Would you have a YT link or viemo?

As some of my GLP family knows I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years now. I have been in aviation management for 25 of those years.

In 2001, I was Chief Pilot and Check Airman for a small charter airline (5 B737 aircraft) based in the western US. In September of that year I had just hired a new class of 8 pilots and, having already trained them in their basic indoc and ground portion of the airline training syllabus, had flown them to Phoenix for their simulator training.

On the morning of Sep 11th I was in the middle of training session 3 with an upgrading Captain and a new-hire First Officer. We had come out of the simulator for our mid-session break to piss, have a cup of coffee and swap seats when we saw the pilots that were training in the other simulator (who were also on their break) huddled around a TV set in the briefing room. One of the pilots turned around and, with a solemn look, told us that an airplane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Behind him on the TV was the smoking tower with a frantic commentator rambling about whether or not it was terrorism.

I won't bore you with the rest of the details, but suffice it to say that I knew that there would not be any new class of pilots hired. They knew it too.

Because I (the airline) had already paid for the simulator time, and there was no way to fly everyone back home because all the air traffic was grounded, I decided to continue their training sessions for the rest of that week. I would then sign off their training and immediately furlough them - eventually hiring most of them back months later.

The next day as we were finishing up the 4 hour simulator session #4, I positioned the aircraft virtually on the runway at Boston Logan airport. I told the crew that we were going to try an experiment. I asked the more experienced of the two; the upgrading captain, to take off, fly to New York City and hit one of the towers. This was a very well-qualified upgrading pilot that had thousands of flight hours and hundreds in the right seat of a 737.

He took off and visually made his way to NY for the roughly 30 minute flight. In order not to waste time, I put the simulator on double-speed during the cruise portion. He then identified the twin towers - they are not hard to see - and headed straight for them...

AND HE MISSED! He muttered something about how hard it was to line up on them and asked me to back him up so he could try again. And AGAIN he MISSED! After several attempts, he was able to hit one of them by slowing way down to almost landing speed - flaps and gear down.

I subsequently tried the same exercise with all of the pilots and they all had trouble hitting such a narrow target at high speed. The new pilots didn't even come close. When they slowed way down, they were more successful but still commented on how challenging it was.

Now, bear in mind, these were very experienced professional pilots.

So tell me how did a bunch of Arabs with very little training perform such a feat? We all knew then that we were not being told the truth about the events of that day!

I have since told this story to many people. I have had several radio interviews about my experience and help found Pilots for 911 Truth. Below is one of the interviews I gave a couple years later.

Capt Dan

If you were honestly questioning 9/11, you wouldn't cite some bs like that as any sort of evidence or proof of anything. I guess since it's written somewhere it's true right? Can you personally test and verify everything written there?
There were no Muslim terrorists because there were no planes. The real terrorists were the media that pulled the hoax off and sold it to the public. Not even planes shown on T.V. can be assumed real and you think written info written on an alleged terrorist can be?

This might be the one?

Raw helicopter footage, no plane visible on second tower "strike".


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I don't believe the camel jockeys flew those planes. But I was living in West Bergen, NJ at the time and saw the second plane (or something looking very much like a commercial aircraft) hit the tower. I won't go so far to say it was a commercial jet as I couldn't see any markings at that speed, but it clearly looked and sounded like an airliner to me.

Based on some quick research, the width of a large international runway is around 260 feet, the WTCs were 208 feet wide. So there isn't that much discrepancy between the two.


However--based on Capt Dan's comments, the 911 planes were flying much faster than a normal landing---correct? If that's the case, then his analysis would make much more sense.

However, I do know this---if your front landing gear hits first it doesn't make for a happy landing, as I experienced at LaGuardia a number of years ago as a passenger.

I don't know what happened at the towers, but it's pretty clear that whatever hit the Pentagon was not a 757. Maybe a drone could perform the tight maneuvers you pilots say a 757 could not do?

Plus, there's obviously no airliner wreckage at the impact site.


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The hole that I saw looked like a missile impact or just CD. It's interesting the provided so many videos of the fake planes hitting the TT and don't do the same for the Pentagon.

The hole that I saw looked like a missile impact or just CD. It's interesting the provided so many videos of the fake planes hitting the TT and don't do the same for the Pentagon.

There must be dozens of video cameras on that building - and have been for years before 2001. One time as college sudent in the 80s we got lost near the Pentagon and ended up in the parking lot late at night and ended up right at the front door of the building. No secure gate, no challenge. I am sure we were on video and am sure someone was watching.

One completely crappy video - ridiculous, completely ridiculous to comprehend.

so you're a video expert? where do you work, and what do you do?