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20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!

 
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that the most expensive few pounds EVER !
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Just got here! Could this be anything else other than a gas leak??
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Just the other day the sun had a massive hole eruption, then the solar thing, florence, the earthquakes, now the gas explosions in 3 cities, the observatory, and the weird thing space, Wonder if that has anything to with it?
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No solar eruptions/flares. Coronal hole and solar wind, yes, which occurs regularly.

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Check this out. Gas line cyber attack.


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This is a real possibility.


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Something is not right.

This is hardly on the news....anywhere. This is a massive emergency.

Someone in the media had to of sent out a mass email saying downplay this for some reason. Makes you wonder if it was human error then the contracting company must be minority or owned by a dem politician.

If it was terrorism well then we all know we will never hear much about it.
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"My step-father and uncle both worked for Colombia Gas, but are now retired. They heard from people they know who still work there that they connected a low pressure line (1/3 pound) to a high pressure line (99 pound) by mistake. From what they've told me, there aren't regulators on the low pressure systems and it blew the internals of everyone's appliances apart."
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Bullshit!
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WTF is goin on? This is a preplanned event and nothing to do with the hurracane!

Updated plotting of confirmed fires and explosions by MSP Watch Center. 39 locations confirmed thus far. Number will grow. New responses ongoing. Reminder: all residents of Lawrence/Andover/N Andover who have Columbia Gas must evacuate, as should anyone else who smells gas. pic.twitter.com/IwD4phgTfu
— Mass State Police (@MassStatePolice) September 13, 2018

The town of Andover has put out 35 fires, Andover Fire Chief Michael Mansfield said in a statement. While all of the fires there have been put out, firefighters will still remain there overnight, Mansfield said.

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would have happened in NC too.
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Hopefully this was not a terror attack. Have a look at the Related Threads at the bottom of the page. It seems Massachusetts has had a problem like this before.
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Is it true nobody has died? If so, that is a miracle in itself. I hope everyone is okay.
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Thread: Another 'Gas explosion' destroys 3 blocks in Massachusetts - 18 people hurt - UFO?


from 2012

I don't expect the the "authorities" to admit a terrorist attack, even if it was.

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Something is not right.

This is hardly on the news....anywhere. This is a massive emergency.

Someone in the media had to of sent out a mass email saying downplay this for some reason. Makes you wonder if it was human error then the contracting company must be minority or owned by a dem politician.

If it was terrorism well then we all know we will never hear much about it.
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this has been a terrorism plot for over 2 years.
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This is a pre-planned timed event to coincide with florence from one of our many adversaries.

Iran
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Hopefully this was not a terror attack. Have a look at the Related Threads at the bottom of the page. It seems Massachusetts has had a problem like this before.
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so there's always enough room for a conspiracy theory? That's brilliant. the perfect crime. again and again until the US is broke and completely vulnerable.

keep your bugout bags packed.
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This is a pre-planned timed event to coincide with florence from one of our many adversaries.

Iran
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yep.


the chemical weapons in Idbid hasn't happened yet...

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Check this out. Gas line cyber attack.


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This is a real possibility.


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glassesoff
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There is an Imam in Boston who is in charge of the whole operation in the US. He is over 8 other prominent Imams who are calling the shots of terrorism cells.

Be aware, be prepared.
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On a system that large, it's quite likely that the main stepdown pressure regulator would be controlled with a PID loop via a PLC.

Most of those systems have zero security features, anyone with Allen Bradley software could do whatever they wanted with a few clicks if they had access to the network, which isn't necessarily easy since most of these SCADA systems are on isolated subnets... but bust a lock and gain physical access and it would be a matter of plugging in a cable and you're online.

But to look at the logic and actually know what to do, you'd need knowledge of the system to be able to really wreak havoc.

But still you would have to imagine that there would be rupture disks somewhere that would burst, or excess flow valves that would slam shut when the high pressure gas rocketed into the low pressure pipe.

This really shouldn't have been able to happen on a well engineered system, no matter how knowledgeable a person who was at the controls.

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ASPEN, Colo. — Iranian hackers have laid the groundwork to carry out extensive cyberattacks on U.S. and European infrastructure and on private companies, and the U.S. is warning allies, hardening its defenses and weighing a counterattack, say multiple senior U.S. officials.

Despite Iran having positioned cyber weapons to carry out attacks, there is no suggestion an offensive operation is imminent, according to the officials, who requested anonymity in order to speak.

Cyber threats have been a major theme of the 2018 Aspen Security Forum, with administration officials from Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, FBI Director Chris Wray, and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein all warning of the pervasive danger from Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea.

Yes it's a nbc link but...

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Mass Officials right now figuring out how to milk this disaster for all the money they can get ... the Massachusetts way - overtime for all Mass PD & Fire Fighters and any connected person ...till 2020 ... like the Highway Big Dig (Over spent by Billions ...)
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Truth. You nailed it.
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On a system that large, it's quite likely that the main stepdown pressure regulator would be controlled with a PID loop via a PLC.

Most of those systems have zero security features, anyone with Allen Bradley software could do whatever they wanted with a few clicks if they had access to the network, which isn't necessarily easy since most of these SCADA systems are on isolated subnets... but bust a lock and gain physical access and it would be a matter of plugging in a cable and you're online.

But to look at the logic and actually know what to do, you'd need knowledge of the system to be able to really wreak havoc.

But still you would have to imagine that there would be rupture disks somewhere that would burst, or excess flow valves that would slam shut when the high pressure gas rocketed into the low pressure pipe.

This really shouldn't have been able to happen on a well engineered system, no matter how knowledgeable a person who was at the controls.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Do we not have any fail safes in place? WTH!
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Didn't the main hacker guy try to blow up Bruce Willis in "Live free or Die Hard" by over pressurizing the gas pipeline?

Has anyone checked to see if Timothy Olyphant was in Boston today???

hmm
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Is it true nobody has died? If so, that is a miracle in itself. I hope everyone is okay.
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This is a test, I repeat this is a test.
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It's calculated in PSI. The lowest pressure mains are about 7 PSI and a regulator aren't needed is correct. High pressures lines run bout 100 PSI. I don't see how anyone can make that kind a mistake. After installing the line the proper procedure is to check the system for possible leaks. This doesn't explains why the system didn't automatic shut down due to pressure deferences or a sudden drop in pressure to to a major leak.


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This why I call bullshit. If a High pressure line were attached to a low pressure line fine. When the multiple low pressure lines experienced ruptures there should be an immediate drop in pressure as seen on the high pressure line. Technology attached to the high pressure lines should recognize this pressure drop and immediately shut down.

There is much more to this story that we currently have.
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This is a pre-planned timed event to coincide with florence from one of our many adversaries.

Iran
 Quoting: Revman


yep.


the chemical weapons in Idbid hasn't happened yet...
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they got exposed for what was really going on, so
they backed-out.
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Check this out. Gas line cyber attack.


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 Quoting: seorsa6


This is a real possibility.


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 Quoting: Terrebonne


Lets just hope it stops here and no other communities are hit by this type of attack.

We all need to be very prepared for the worst case scenario's in our communities and keep the panic down to minimum.

Local Sheriffs and LEO's need to also get organized with trusted community members for plans of action ASAP! If you leave your community out it will destroy your plans and cause more problems and possibly overwhelm your community.

American citizen's be a part of the solution not the problem.

Prayer for all involved for safety and quick returns to their homes!!

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On a system that large, it's quite likely that the main stepdown pressure regulator would be controlled with a PID loop via a PLC.

Most of those systems have zero security features, anyone with Allen Bradley software could do whatever they wanted with a few clicks if they had access to the network, which isn't necessarily easy since most of these SCADA systems are on isolated subnets... but bust a lock and gain physical access and it would be a matter of plugging in a cable and you're online.

But to look at the logic and actually know what to do, you'd need knowledge of the system to be able to really wreak havoc.

But still you would have to imagine that there would be rupture disks somewhere that would burst, or excess flow valves that would slam shut when the high pressure gas rocketed into the low pressure pipe.

This really shouldn't have been able to happen on a well engineered system, no matter how knowledgeable a person who was at the controls.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


before 911 the City Plans for Buffalo were stolen from a small break in when things were still on a manual system. All the waterworks for Niagra Falls, power systems, everything they needed to understand the controls and systems in the US.
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This why I call bullshit. If a High pressure line were attached to a low pressure line fine. When the multiple low pressure lines experienced ruptures there should be an immediate drop in pressure as seen on the high pressure line. Technology attached to the high pressure lines should recognize this pressure drop and immediately shut down.

There is much more to this story that we currently have.
 Quoting: Square


But the high pressure line has a much greater capacity than the low pressure line, it may have been able to over pressurize the low line using only a small amount of it's nominal capacity.

Let's say that the high pressure line trips when it goes from 100 psi to 80 psi in 5 seconds. Perhaps the pressure drop when the line was opened was only to 85 psi and then returned to normal when the line was filled, and even with the pipes that burst... they may only have been a small percent extra flow on a high pressure backbone line.

And there are even higher pressure lines out there, I know gas turbine power plants are fed by 300 to 4000 psi lines, filling a small local low pressure grid may just be a drop in the bucket for them that would go unnoticed until it was too late.
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It's calculated in PSI. The lowest pressure mains are about 7 PSI and a regulator aren't needed is correct. High pressures lines run bout 100 PSI. I don't see how anyone can make that kind a mistake. After installing the line the proper procedure is to check the system for possible leaks. This doesn't explains why the system didn't automatic shut down due to pressure deferences or a sudden drop in pressure to to a major leak.


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 Quoting: Terrebonne


This why I call bullshit. If a High pressure line were attached to a low pressure line fine. When the multiple low pressure lines experienced ruptures there should be an immediate drop in pressure as seen on the high pressure line. Technology attached to the high pressure lines should recognize this pressure drop and immediately shut down.

There is much more to this story that we currently have.
 Quoting: Square


Yep it smells fishy!! Patriots be on alert!!

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Check this out. Gas line cyber attack.


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 Quoting: seorsa6


This is a real possibility.


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 Quoting: Terrebonne


Lets just hope it stops here and no other communities are hit by this type of attack.

We all need to be very prepared for the worst case scenario's in our communities and keep the panic down to minimum.

Local Sheriffs and LEO's need to also get organized with trusted community members for plans of action ASAP! If you leave your community out it will destroy your plans and cause more problems and possibly overwhelm your community.

American citizen's be a part of the solution not the problem.

Prayer for all involved for safety and quick returns to their homes!!

yoda
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look for your gas cut off valves.
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This why I call bullshit. If a High pressure line were attached to a low pressure line fine. When the multiple low pressure lines experienced ruptures there should be an immediate drop in pressure as seen on the high pressure line. Technology attached to the high pressure lines should recognize this pressure drop and immediately shut down.

There is much more to this story that we currently have.
 Quoting: Square


But the high pressure line has a much greater capacity than the low pressure line, it may have been able to over pressurize the low line using only a small amount of it's nominal capacity.

Let's say that the high pressure line trips when it goes from 100 psi to 80 psi in 5 seconds. Perhaps the pressure drop when the line was opened was only to 85 psi and then returned to normal when the line was filled, and even with the pipes that burst... they may only have been a small percent extra flow on a high pressure backbone line.

And there are even higher pressure lines out there, I know gas turbine power plants are fed by 300 to 4000 psi lines, filling a small local low pressure grid may just be a drop in the bucket for them that would go unnoticed until it was too late.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


but if they wanted to sabotage it?