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20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!

 
Terrebonne

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
On a system that large, it's quite likely that the main stepdown pressure regulator would be controlled with a PID loop via a PLC.

Most of those systems have zero security features, anyone with Allen Bradley software could do whatever they wanted with a few clicks if they had access to the network, which isn't necessarily easy since most of these SCADA systems are on isolated subnets... but bust a lock and gain physical access and it would be a matter of plugging in a cable and you're online.

But to look at the logic and actually know what to do, you'd need knowledge of the system to be able to really wreak havoc.

But still you would have to imagine that there would be rupture disks somewhere that would burst, or excess flow valves that would slam shut when the high pressure gas rocketed into the low pressure pipe.

This really shouldn't have been able to happen on a well engineered system, no matter how knowledgeable a person who was at the controls.
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Exactly, good observation.

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Partial collapse on a second floor in a building
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Check this out. Gas line cyber attack.


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 Quoting: seorsa6


This is a real possibility.


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 Quoting: Terrebonne


Lets just hope it stops here and no other communities are hit by this type of attack.

We all need to be very prepared for the worst case scenario's in our communities and keep the panic down to minimum.

Local Sheriffs and LEO's need to also get organized with trusted community members for plans of action ASAP! If you leave your community out it will destroy your plans and cause more problems and possibly overwhelm your community.

American citizen's be a part of the solution not the problem.

Prayer for all involved for safety and quick returns to their homes!!

yoda
 Quoting: Oak Tree


They are using the storm as a cover for a test. This was a blatant cyber attack from Russia China or Iran. I call that an act of war & I hope this is truthfully investigated and not forgotten. We are in a cyber war, who knows what we have done. I don't give a shit as long as we win!
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
This is a test, I repeat this is a test.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
before 911 the City Plans for Buffalo were stolen from a small break in when things were still on a manual system. All the waterworks for Niagra Falls, power systems, everything they needed to understand the controls and systems in the US.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Every site is different, you couldn't just get your hands on some documents and figure everything out.

You would need an expert in PLC logic and an expert in a particular type of control system for a particular type of utility to really do something like this, that could be the same person if they worked in that particular sector.

You would really need a state level actor to pull an attack off, unless it was an insider who worked on the systems.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
It's calculated in PSI. The lowest pressure mains are about 7 PSI and a regulator aren't needed is correct. High pressures lines run bout 100 PSI. I don't see how anyone can make that kind a mistake. After installing the line the proper procedure is to check the system for possible leaks. This doesn't explains why the system didn't automatic shut down due to pressure deferences or a sudden drop in pressure to to a major leak.


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 Quoting: Terrebonne


This why I call bullshit. If a High pressure line were attached to a low pressure line fine. When the multiple low pressure lines experienced ruptures there should be an immediate drop in pressure as seen on the high pressure line. Technology attached to the high pressure lines should recognize this pressure drop and immediately shut down.

There is much more to this story that we currently have.
 Quoting: Square


Very much agree.

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We put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities.

We know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. We are usually right, and we usually know it.

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Pluto In Twelfth House: Personality

Pluto in twelfth house, you are able to read between the lines and see deeper into any dark situation. You are always interested in analyzing conflicts when they arise and you want to find out why they happen. You also want to know the resolution that fits best, and you look at both the positive and negative aspects of the conflict.

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Check this out. Gas line cyber attack.


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 Quoting: seorsa6


This is a real possibility.


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 Quoting: Terrebonne


Lets just hope it stops here and no other communities are hit by this type of attack.

We all need to be very prepared for the worst case scenario's in our communities and keep the panic down to minimum.

Local Sheriffs and LEO's need to also get organized with trusted community members for plans of action ASAP! If you leave your community out it will destroy your plans and cause more problems and possibly overwhelm your community.

American citizen's be a part of the solution not the problem.

Prayer for all involved for safety and quick returns to their homes!!

yoda
 Quoting: Oak Tree


They are using the storm as a cover for a test. This was a blatant cyber attack from Russia China or Iran. I call that an act of war & I hope this is truthfully investigated and not forgotten. We are in a cyber war, who knows what we have done. I don't give a shit as long as we win!
 Quoting: Revman


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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
WHY is everyone getting excited by this...its just a few gas explosions caused by a crap company.

Move along...nothing to see here.
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09/13/2018 11:01 PM

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
before 911 the City Plans for Buffalo were stolen from a small break in when things were still on a manual system. All the waterworks for Niagra Falls, power systems, everything they needed to understand the controls and systems in the US.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Every site is different, you couldn't just get your hands on some documents and figure everything out.

You would need an expert in PLC logic and an expert in a particular type of control system for a particular type of utility to really do something like this, that could be the same person if they worked in that particular sector.

You would really need a state level actor to pull an attack off, unless it was an insider who worked on the systems.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Just demonstrating that the bad guys have been studying how to sabotage for over 20 years. By now they would be capable of Mass Destruction. Simultaneous is a signature, using frugal items. Signature.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
Terrebonne

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
This why I call bullshit. If a High pressure line were attached to a low pressure line fine. When the multiple low pressure lines experienced ruptures there should be an immediate drop in pressure as seen on the high pressure line. Technology attached to the high pressure lines should recognize this pressure drop and immediately shut down.

There is much more to this story that we currently have.
 Quoting: Square


But the high pressure line has a much greater capacity than the low pressure line, it may have been able to over pressurize the low line using only a small amount of it's nominal capacity.

Let's say that the high pressure line trips when it goes from 100 psi to 80 psi in 5 seconds. Perhaps the pressure drop when the line was opened was only to 85 psi and then returned to normal when the line was filled, and even with the pipes that burst... they may only have been a small percent extra flow on a high pressure backbone line.

And there are even higher pressure lines out there, I know gas turbine power plants are fed by 300 to 4000 psi lines, filling a small local low pressure grid may just be a drop in the bucket for them that would go unnoticed until it was too late.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


4,000 PSI lines are transmission lines.


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INFJ; We are the protectors; One Percent of the population.

We put a lot of energy into identifying the best system for getting things done, and constantly define and re-define the priorities.

We know things intuitively, without being able to pinpoint why, and without detailed knowledge of the subject at hand. We are usually right, and we usually know it.

[link to www.personalitypage.com]

Pluto In Twelfth House: Personality

Pluto in twelfth house, you are able to read between the lines and see deeper into any dark situation. You are always interested in analyzing conflicts when they arise and you want to find out why they happen. You also want to know the resolution that fits best, and you look at both the positive and negative aspects of the conflict.

[link to www.sunsigns.org]

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Here's what happens on a pipeline when it detects a fault, or someone hits the "oh fuck" button:

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Check this out. Gas line cyber attack.


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 Quoting: seorsa6


This is a real possibility.


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 Quoting: Terrebonne


Lets just hope it stops here and no other communities are hit by this type of attack.

We all need to be very prepared for the worst case scenario's in our communities and keep the panic down to minimum.

Local Sheriffs and LEO's need to also get organized with trusted community members for plans of action ASAP! If you leave your community out it will destroy your plans and cause more problems and possibly overwhelm your community.

American citizen's be a part of the solution not the problem.

Prayer for all involved for safety and quick returns to their homes!!

yoda
 Quoting: Oak Tree


They are using the storm as a cover for a test. This was a blatant cyber attack from Russia China or Iran. I call that an act of war & I hope this is truthfully investigated and not forgotten. We are in a cyber war, who knows what we have done. I don't give a shit as long as we win!
 Quoting: Revman

I have to agree...personally I am glad they didn't hit other communities around America as this would have kicked off martial law and a whole bunch of panic. These $%&^$!! which did this will be known soon. We need factual inside information when possible. SOON.....
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
before 911 the City Plans for Buffalo were stolen from a small break in when things were still on a manual system. All the waterworks for Niagra Falls, power systems, everything they needed to understand the controls and systems in the US.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Every site is different, you couldn't just get your hands on some documents and figure everything out.

You would need an expert in PLC logic and an expert in a particular type of control system for a particular type of utility to really do something like this, that could be the same person if they worked in that particular sector.

You would really need a state level actor to pull an attack off, unless it was an insider who worked on the systems.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


And EVERY terrorist has an engineering degree.

They have the will. They will deliver a blow to the infidel.
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before 911 the City Plans for Buffalo were stolen from a small break in when things were still on a manual system. All the waterworks for Niagra Falls, power systems, everything they needed to understand the controls and systems in the US.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Every site is different, you couldn't just get your hands on some documents and figure everything out.

You would need an expert in PLC logic and an expert in a particular type of control system for a particular type of utility to really do something like this, that could be the same person if they worked in that particular sector.

You would really need a state level actor to pull an attack off, unless it was an insider who worked on the systems.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


easy. just look for an employee with a pet goat.
their names should be pasted on lamp posts everywhere.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
before 911 the City Plans for Buffalo were stolen from a small break in when things were still on a manual system. All the waterworks for Niagra Falls, power systems, everything they needed to understand the controls and systems in the US.
 Quoting: MissCleo


Every site is different, you couldn't just get your hands on some documents and figure everything out.

You would need an expert in PLC logic and an expert in a particular type of control system for a particular type of utility to really do something like this, that could be the same person if they worked in that particular sector.

You would really need a state level actor to pull an attack off, unless it was an insider who worked on the systems.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


easy. just look for an employee with a pet goat.
 Quoting: Elevated Intesity



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WHY is everyone getting excited by this...its just a few gas explosions caused by a crap company.

Move along...nothing to see here.
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39 Homes / multi Family buildings burnt in 2 +- hours all near each other
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Here's what happens on a pipeline when it detects a fault, or someone hits the "oh fuck" button:


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Nice find..great info!!

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Just woken up here, haven't read the thread so don't know if this has been posted..


Possible cause?

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Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today.

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Every site is different, you couldn't just get your hands on some documents and figure everything out.

You would need an expert in PLC logic and an expert in a particular type of control system for a particular type of utility to really do something like this, that could be the same person if they worked in that particular sector.

You would really need a state level actor to pull an attack off, unless it was an insider who worked on the systems.
 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


easy. just look for an employee with a pet goat.
 Quoting: Elevated Intesity


A pet goat that walks funny and has a hollow look in his eyes...

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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


this is one part of the reason it will not be all over the news. lots of people would feel the way you do

we were just talking about gas lines here in our area last evening. some said NO, not now, not ever.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


^^This

Now know exactly the reason why I will not use it. To think one minute all's ok and next minute you aren't. No warning?
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, while maybe a couple dozen are killed by gas explosions.

Shit... I don't think I helped you feel any better, did I?
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This is a real possibility.


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Lets just hope it stops here and no other communities are hit by this type of attack.

We all need to be very prepared for the worst case scenario's in our communities and keep the panic down to minimum.

Local Sheriffs and LEO's need to also get organized with trusted community members for plans of action ASAP! If you leave your community out it will destroy your plans and cause more problems and possibly overwhelm your community.

American citizen's be a part of the solution not the problem.

Prayer for all involved for safety and quick returns to their homes!!

yoda
 Quoting: Oak Tree


They are using the storm as a cover for a test. This was a blatant cyber attack from Russia China or Iran. I call that an act of war & I hope this is truthfully investigated and not forgotten. We are in a cyber war, who knows what we have done. I don't give a shit as long as we win!
 Quoting: Revman


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they're just testing how much bullshit they can shove down our throats.
their names should be pasted on lamp posts everywhere.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
Just woken up here, haven't read the thread so don't know if this has been posted..


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Re: Lawrence Methuen Andover gas explosions. This was posted on the Columbia website today.

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 Quoting: Tess.


good find.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, while maybe a couple dozen are killed by gas explosions.

Shit... I don't think I helped you feel any better, did I?

 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


body counts aren't useful to determine Homeland Security.
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There is an Imam in Boston who is in charge of the whole operation in the US. He is over 8 other prominent Imams who are calling the shots of terrorism cells.

Be aware, be prepared.
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what is his name and the names of the 8 others?
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
If it's an attack or an accident doesn't matter...IT HAPPENED!

That means any house/structure with a gas line can go BOOM at any time, without warning!

And that includes MY HOUSE!

It's not "supposed to" happen...but it did.

This is freakin' me out a little!
 Quoting: Mental Case


Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents, while maybe a couple dozen are killed by gas explosions.

Shit... I don't think I helped you feel any better, did I?

 Quoting: R. Wordsworth


Have you local Gas company do a check on your system and have them explain how this won't happen to your home.

Get information and understanding of your home systems. Screw the fear...fix the problem, not to be rude to you..I also have gas and will be ding a check up tomorrow.
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Re: 20 gas explosions in Massachusetts just now!!!
'There are so many fires, you can't see the sky': Multiple injuries as more than 70 homes EXPLODE near Boston after 'gas main meltdown' - and thousands of residents are told to 'get out now!'

Leonel Rondon, 18, has been identified as the 18-year-old man killed in Lawrence on Thursday
Up to 70 fires are being reported in Lawrence, Andover and North Andover
Officials said problems with the natural gas system caused multiple explosions
Methuen Police Chief said there are so many fires 'you can't even see the sky'
Police are urging residents to leave their homes if they smell gas and said residents with Columbia Gas service should evacuate immediately
At least one home has been demolished, according to local media outlets
State police said that the power company would be shutting off power to all of Lawrence, North Andover and Andover 'to assist in the gas situation'
All the fires in Andover have been extinguished, where a total of 35 fires were reported

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Well consider this... 35,000 people are killed in the US each year in car accidents,

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Yeah, I hear ya.

I wouldn't even be bothered if one accident took out one house with a gas explosion.

But to think of high pressure just going down the line popping homes & buildings like popcorn...

It's a tad bit disconcerting!