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Russia-Ukraine UPDATE:Russia threatens Ukraine any attack on DPR/Pro Rus forces will lead to end of Ukraine's existence as a sovereign nation

 
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Many believe that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine will be escalating in the very near future, as evidenced by a constant flow of armament from Russian federal territory towards Ukrainian border and the reciprocal arming of the Ukrainian Army by the US.

This thread is set up to share news and facilitate discussion regarding this conflict. All views are welcome providing you use adult common sense and refrain from vulgarity and personal attacks.

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I've been accused of running a pro Ukrainian thread. IF anyone has data from the Russian side - they're welcome to post it - as I could not find any in my research.


12/13/18 Update:
If your comment/post was removed, I sincerely apologize up front - it was not to censor you opinion or your side of this story. In an effort to keep this thread clean, I reserve the right to remove any post that is OFF TOPIC. Opposing views are welcome here, as long as they directly relate to the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

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Petri Mäkelä Retweeted Aki Heikkinen

As @akihheikkinen notes, the markings differ from the first trainload of T-62Ms spotted at Kamensk-Shakhtinsky two weeks ago.

These markings match the train that was moving west in Siberia at the same time.

So there are now two trainloads of T-62Ms near #Ukraine now.
#Russia

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The hopeful depend on a world without end; Whatever the hopeless may say
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Unnamed graves of Russian soldiers (photos)? This is very typical as it was practiced by the Soviet regime and now by the Russian Federation.

@maxim_nm


Translated from Russian by Microsoft

Not far from the city Kolpino Leningrad region journalists found 1600 identical tombs, dug excavator. On identical concrete columns only numbers-most likely, it is "ihtamnety" from Ukraine or Syria.

It is scarier and more shameful than the Afghan war in the days of Scoop.

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This move should ease the tension (sarc):


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Navy Seabees are building a maritime operations center on #Ukraine’s Black Sea coast, for use during U.S. and Ukrainian military exercises and to assist allied maritime operations. It’s right down the coast from #Russia’s important Sevastopol Naval Base.

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Petri Mäkelä Retweeted Russian Exercises

#Russia will hold continuous overlapping Battalion tactical group-level snap drills in the Southern Military District until the end of October.

Units will be alerted and sent to training areas, with some of them being mere kilometers away from #Ukraine.

Over 45k men involved.

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Russia uses these exercises as an excuse to leave personnel and equipment in strategic areas. Their exercise with Belarus a while back was nothing more than a way to antagonize Poland. They could launch something pretty quick and Ukraine wouldn't see it coming.
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President Poroshenko signs decree to terminate 1997 #Ukraine-#Russia Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership. Waiting for Russian Foreign Ministry to call this another example of Russophobia.
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U.S. may give #Ukraine more lethal weapons as tensions rise with #Russia, says Ambassador #Volker

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Azov Sea Flashpoint: Russia, Ukraine Teetering on the Brink of War

by: Peter KORZUN | 16.09.2018

"...Nobody needs an armed conflict in the Azov Sea region. A number of countries are interested in protecting the right of free passage, enabling vessels to arrive at their destination ports without risk or delay. The region does not have to be a flashpoint. Russia and Ukraine could sit down at a round table to discuss controversial issues, as the 2003 agreement stipulates the parties should do in order to settle their disputes, should they have any, but that’s not what the State Department is calling for. The only option the US administration is considering is that of providing Ukraine with arms to fight Russia and then egging Kiev on to escalate the tensions. And those are already dangerously running high."

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Ukraine was instrumental in the beginning of ww1 and Ww2
So it is obvious that it is the focal point of we3
Most miss this because of the media avoiding the topic
But those who know Ukraine is the oldest civilisation on earth get it

Israel isn't the the hub
It's Ukraine!
The oldest pyramids lie there covered in swastikas
30,000 years old

In 1980 I drove to porn valley with a cia. Official discussing political science and he was a military strategic analyst who told this
,...........watch the Baltic and Ukraine..............


So this thread has legs
That other forum has this topic now about a hundreded pages long
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The US is very actively involved in this conflict, it's just not being reported:


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RQ4B GLOBAL HAWK USAF UAV surveilling over Eastern Ukraine gathering intel over the Donbas region #Ukraine
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Many believe that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine will be escalating in the very near future, as evidenced by a constant flow of armament from Russian federal territory towards Ukrainian border and the reciprocal arming of the Ukrainian Army by the US.

This thread is set up to share news and facilitate discussion regarding this conflict. All views are welcome providing you use adult common sense and refrain from vulgarity and personal attacks.

Mods, please freely exercise your authority to keep thread clean and civil.
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Who is right and who is wrong in this conflict, Exlibris? Because US backs one side does not make it right and because Russia backs another side, does not make it wrong. What is your POV?
Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!
Gimme a break.
Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

Nah, the problem is the goobermint...Unknown AC.


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Who is right and who is wrong in this conflict, Exlibris? Because US backs one side does not make it right and because Russia backs another side, does not make it wrong. What is your POV?
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Up front I must disclose that my wife is Ukrainian and her immediate family still lives there. I have been living this conflict at home ever since it started with the maidan revolution. That being said, I have some unique insight from her family's point of view as well as from my time working there (I actually was there during the Orange Revolution under Yushchenko).

To make life more interesting, part of her family resides in the Crimea, part in the western Ukraine and a few relatives live in Russia. Talk about some heated family discussions...
I hear the conversations when she talks to them and the propaganda machines in both countries are doing their job very well - effectively, people that used to consider themselves as brothers, now are ready to cut each others throats. For what? Is there truly a right and a wrong side? I believe both sides are wrong - both governments that is, and the people of both countries suffer.

So I guess to answer your question I will say this: the evil is with the Ukrainian and Russian governments and the good is with the people that live there - and they just want to be left alone and raise their families in peace and dignity.

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We need this thread. Thank you.
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Who is right and who is wrong in this conflict, Exlibris? Because US backs one side does not make it right and because Russia backs another side, does not make it wrong. What is your POV?
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Up front I must disclose that my wife is Ukrainian and her immediate family still lives there. I have been living this conflict at home ever since it started with the maidan revolution. That being said, I have some unique insight from her family's point of view as well as from my time working there (I actually was there during the Orange Revolution under Yushchenko).

To make life more interesting, part of her family resides in the Crimea, part in the western Ukraine and a few relatives live in Russia. Talk about some heated family discussions...
I hear the conversations when she talks to them and the propaganda machines in both countries are doing their job very well - effectively, people that used to consider themselves as brothers, now are ready to cut each others throats. For what? Is there truly a right and a wrong side? I believe both sides are wrong - both governments that is, and the people of both countries suffer.

So I guess to answer your question I will say this: the evil is with the Ukrainian and Russian governments and the good is with the people that live there - and they just want to be left alone and raise their families in peace and dignity.
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You're a lucky guy. Ukrainian women are the most beautiful women in the world.
I can understand the Ukrainian speakers desire to return to their culture, but I can also understand that most of the people in the east and south are of Russian descent and speak Russian. The Ukrainian language had to be revived since during soviet times they all spoke Russian.
During the period that Obama/Clinton/Kerry/& cookie lady Victoria Nuland worked to overthrow the govt of Victor Yunokovitc, it quickly became apparent that like US puppets, like Julia Tymoshenko that wanted to literally nuke the Russian speakers in the east, the only thing that Kiev cared about was the land that the Russian Speakers were living on. People in donbass saw the handwriting on the wall and quickly formed their own little country, away from Ukraine. At the same time, Putin, not being an idiot, saw that the US was going to take Crimea (the only russian warmwater port founded by Catherine the Great) and he slapped his hand on it before the US would take it over. (Crimea is not "occupied" country, it was voted on and they are now part of Russia again)
I don't think that most Ukrainians would continue to try to genocide the people of donbass, but the US and powers like Monsanto push Kiev to get the land back.

I'm extremely disappointed in Trump for aiding with arms to the Ukrainians. Anything that the US adds to the war in Ukraine, the Russians counter. If Russia had been inclined to "take" Ukraine, they would have done it long ago.
Donbass will NEVER return to Ukraine. Too much water has gone under the bridge now, and Crimea will never return either. Donbass is fighting for survival and Ukraine is fighting for land. Kiev doesn't give a shit about the people that have lived there their entire lives, because they speak Russian. I just want it to stop.
Donbass has never attacked outside of their boundaries, yet Kiev keeps "punishing" them. I think they just need to establish boundaries and stop fighting.

You are welcome to correct my understanding.
Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!
Gimme a break.
Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

Nah, the problem is the goobermint...Unknown AC.


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Many believe that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine will be escalating in the very near future, as evidenced by a constant flow of armament from Russian federal territory towards Ukrainian border and the reciprocal arming of the Ukrainian Army by the US.

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Who is right and who is wrong in this conflict, Exlibris? Because US backs one side does not make it right and because Russia backs another side, does not make it wrong. What is your POV?
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U.S. does not back one side. U.S. is one side.
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The US/Nato war machine are tools used by globalist hiden hand to enforce end time world order, which Russia stands against. What are American troops looking for thousands of miles away, at Russian border? They have the bear cornered already,surrounded with military bases, missiles. Putin is going to press the nuclear button , knows he can't fight NATO in conventional war, was their strategy since cold war.
I believe Russia is the "king of the North " from Jeremiah prophecies, is going to destroy the Babylon USA "the king nation" "in one hour",Revelatio 18.
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Many believe that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine will be escalating in the very near future, as evidenced by a constant flow of armament from Russian federal territory towards Ukrainian border and the reciprocal arming of the Ukrainian Army by the US.

This thread is set up to share news and facilitate discussion regarding this conflict. All views are welcome providing you use adult common sense and refrain from vulgarity and personal attacks.

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Who is right and who is wrong in this conflict, Exlibris? Because US backs one side does not make it right and because Russia backs another side, does not make it wrong. What is your POV?
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U.S. does not back one side. U.S. is one side.
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That is probably true. and the Candyman is the puppet.
Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!
Gimme a break.
Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

Nah, the problem is the goobermint...Unknown AC.


Blame it on my ADD, baby...Sail


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You're a lucky guy. Ukrainian women are the most beautiful women in the world.
No argument there - my wife has the nordic features with blond hair, light blue eyes and high cheek bones - closely resembles Charlieze Theron in my opinion. My friends constantly tease her that she needs glasses because if she could see what I look like she'd run away quickly blink

I can understand the Ukrainian speakers desire to return to their culture, but I can also understand that most of the people in the east and south are of Russian descent and speak Russian. The Ukrainian language had to be revived since during soviet times they all spoke Russian.
Not entirely accurate. My wife's entire family grew up under the Soviet regime and they all speak Ukrainian and Russian. As a matter of fact, Ukrainian language was thought in soviet schools along side Russian classes and a few schools were strictly Ukrainian language oriented. It was the same with religion as Russian Orthodox faith had both: Russian language churches which were tied in with the Moscow Patriarchy and separate Ukrainian speaking churches that identified with the Patriarch of Kiev. That being said, people that attended the Ukrainian versions of schools and churches and used Ukrainian as their daily language were looked down upon and called "peasants" by those that used Russian in their daily life. My wife's family has and is using Russian in their daily communication, hell even I learned to speak and write Russian - I do know Ukrainian as well. Interesting factoid: when I worked in Kiev 2004-2008, the business language was Russian while all official documents had to be written in Ukrainian - it was quite interesting to see...


During the period that Obama/Clinton/Kerry/& cookie lady Victoria Nuland worked to overthrow the govt of Victor Yunokovitc, it quickly became apparent that like US puppets, like Julia Tymoshenko that wanted to literally nuke the Russian speakers in the east, the only thing that Kiev cared about was the land that the Russian Speakers were living on. People in donbass saw the handwriting on the wall and quickly formed their own little country, away from Ukraine.
Hmm... people had nothing to do with this. I've been to Donetsk with my sons godfather, a Ukrainian Police Colonel, and met a few people there. The "people" were just fine living there, early retirement for the mine workers was active and they received fairly nice pensions in Ukrainian Hryvna. The shit hit the fan when the oligarchs started arguing with each other and the Russians moved on Donbass to take over the natural resources. Once the Russians got involved it was all over -propaganda kicked in with full force.

At the same time, Putin, not being an idiot, saw that the US was going to take Crimea (the only russian warmwater port founded by Catherine the Great) and he slapped his hand on it before the US would take it over. (Crimea is not "occupied" country, it was voted on and they are now part of Russia again)
No argument here - smart and only available move for Putin was to annex Crimea protecting his Black Sea Fleet port. As far as "fair" elections? No such thing. My wife's aunt and her family did not have a much of choice during that election - the stories are quite scary at times - and they were promised better economy and more money in pensions. None of the promises have been kept to date but propaganda machine is working overtime there to keep the plebes at bay.

I don't think that most Ukrainians would continue to try to genocide the people of donbass, but the US and powers like Monsanto push Kiev to get the land back.
That's pure propaganda - no one is trying to "genocide" anyone in the Donbass region. However, in a civil war atrocities will happen on both sides and propaganda takes care of the rest. It a pure shit show.

I'm extremely disappointed in Trump for aiding with arms to the Ukrainians. Anything that the US adds to the war in Ukraine, the Russians counter. If Russia had been inclined to "take" Ukraine, they would have done it long ago.
Ukrainians are happy with Trump and it's understandable as Russia has been completely demonized through propaganda. In my opinion, both the US and Russia should stop their proxy shit and get out - allowing the Ukrainians to settle their own differences - they would run out of cash quickly and come to an agreement for sure.

Donbass will NEVER return to Ukraine. Too much water has gone under the bridge now, and Crimea will never return either.
Agreed - things have gone too far and too much blood has been spilled.

Donbass is fighting for survival and Ukraine is fighting for land. Kiev doesn't give a shit about the people that have lived there their entire lives, because they speak Russian. I just want it to stop.
It's an honor issue now for the Kiev Gov and it's about the resources (nat gas) in Crimea. While you're very noble about wanting it to stop - I do wholeheartedly do as well - nothing will happen until the US and Russia step away.

Donbass has never attacked outside of their boundaries, yet Kiev keeps "punishing" them. I think they just need to establish boundaries and stop fighting.
Theoretically, the Ukrainian Gov is attempting to recover it's own legal territory and they would have been successful in 2014 if Russia did not interfere. Much less blood would have been spilled and a peaceful resolution would have been more plausible.

You are welcome to correct my understanding.

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It's easy to pass judgement on what happened in the past from behind a computer screen. The fact is - I was not there when the shit hit the fan in Kiev during the Maidan. My wife and I watched it unfold in awe and saw the US presence there - I even said on record that it's insane US got involved and that Putin will make his move right after the Winter Games in Sochi - which he did right on cue.

In my opinion, it was a grave mistake by the Ukrainian oligarchs, the Ukrainian ruling class, to run off Yanukovich. As corrupt as he was, Yanukovich knew very well that the key to survival for Ukraine was to be a neutral buffer between the EU and the Russian Federation. But, money talks and bullshit walks as they say - the promises of "money" and "power" from the US were stronger than what Russians offered. The old adage is true: if you don't know the cause of a thing just follow the money and all will be made clear.
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#UPDATE: Now a 3rd Russian military train carrying T-62MBT’s spotted arriving in Khamensk-Shakhtinsky not far from the eastern Ukrainian border (this is just after the T-80’s have been spotted yesterday)

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Yet another trainload of T-62Ms in Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, Rostov Oblast. 19th of September. Note pale green color.

Geolocated at 48.328927, 40.258952 (same location as with last)

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#Russia T-80 tanks noted heading towards #Ukraine. No training exercises scheduled for the 4th Guards Tank Division

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Yep... saw the press conference. An idiotic move on Poland's part in my opinion.
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#Russia T-80 tanks noted heading towards #Ukraine. No training exercises scheduled for the 4th Guards Tank Division

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#Russia T-80 tanks, that seem to belong to the 4th Guards "Kantemir" Tank Division, were spotted on 18.9.2018 moving southbound from Naro-Fominsk.…
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4th guards tank division "Kantemir" is on exercises but it should have stayed in Moscow region.
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What could go wrong?



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News: US to hold first-ever air exercises in Ukraine with NATO allies, featuring F-15s.

4:48 AM - 19 Sep 2018

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The U.S. Air Force will participate in the first-ever Clear Sky exercise, scheduled to take place mid-October 2018, primarily at Starokostiantyniv Air Base, Ukraine, as well as other training areas and ranges in the region.

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A little history background on Europe:


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It was Poroshenko's ''State of the Nation'' address today. Here are some important points.
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NUMBER 1: Poroshenko wants to amend the constitution by removing a clause allowing the Russian Fleet to be stationed in Crimea. "After we retake Crimea, the Russian base will no longer be stationed in Sevastopol!" he exclaimed.
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Many believe that the conflict between Russia and Ukraine will be escalating in the very near future, as evidenced by a constant flow of armament from Russian federal territory towards Ukrainian border and the reciprocal arming of the Ukrainian Army by the US.

This thread is set up to share news and facilitate discussion regarding this conflict. All views are welcome providing you use adult common sense and refrain from vulgarity and personal attacks.

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Hot air. Ukraine just doesn't have the military capability to do this.
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NUMBER 2: Poroshenko wants to rapidly rebuild the defenses on the coast of the Azov Sea in order to be better prepared for any further Russian hostile acts.
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NUMBER 3: Poroshenko ordered the Ukrainian Arms Industry to launch the production high-precision armaments which will be forwarded to artillery systems, armored vehicles and other hardware.
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