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Russia-Ukraine UPDATE:Russia threatens Ukraine any attack on DPR/Pro Rus forces will lead to end of Ukraine's existence as a sovereign nation

 
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#Russia is using the social media to spread #disinformation about alleged #Ukraine’s planned offensive east of #Mariupol. Looks totally fake to me, as the map is in Russian, not in Ukrainian:
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Alarm is growing over a possible major Russian escalation in Ukraine.

Key signs:

1. Russian military buildup in border zone

2. Russian naval aggression in Black Sea

3. Russian banks advised to prepare for cut-off

4. Kremlin media cranking up anti-Ukraine hysteria

Why now?
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GorseFires Collectif Retweeted Petri Mäkelä

On top of existing mobilisation of Southern and Central Military Districts' combined arms armies, this adds up to a major combat-ready mobilisation within striking and 96-hour standby transport distance of Ukraine's eastern border

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#Russia: 20th Guards Army is out on field exercises in Voronezh, Belgorod, Bryansk and Smolensk. Units are under live observation and control of the HQ via. new Data-link vehicles. [link to twitter.com (secure)] …

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#UPDATE: SMD (South Military District) units in Krasnodar Krai #Russia put on high alert to respond to "avalanches in the mountains". The units are stationed in proximity to #Crimea. -Gage

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marqs Retweeted Christo Grozev

I have a bad feeling about all this. It feels different this time.

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Russian SVR agents have been spreading rumours "Russia has credible evidence Ukraine plans a chemical weapons provocation at the border, war is imminent". I have seen this same "insight" spread by online trolls. I wonder what's coming.


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marqs Retweeted Christo Grozev

I have a bad feeling about all this. It feels different this time.

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Russian SVR agents have been spreading rumours "Russia has credible evidence Ukraine plans a chemical weapons provocation at the border, war is imminent". I have seen this same "insight" spread by online trolls. I wonder what's coming.


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Europe in chaos, Trump has problems with Mueller.. Perfect time for an attack.
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Babak Taghvaee Retweeted Babak Taghvaee

There is rumor about possibility of conflict between #Russia & #Ukraine over #Crimea on 15/12/2018. If this happens, the 5 operational Il-76MDs of #Ukraine Air Force which were relocated from #Melitopol to #Ozerne on 25/11/2018 will be used to airdrop #Ukrainian airborne forces.

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#BREAKING: Reports about evacuation of all five airworthy Il-76MD heavy transport airplanes of #Ukraine Air Force's 25th Transport Brigade from #Melitopol near the #AzovSea to #Ozerne, Zhytomyr Oblast in the west of…
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Based on my understandings, both #Ukrainian & #Russian Armed Forces have increased their combat readiness due to the fear of war. Each side predicts that the other side might start an offensive after meeting of Ukrainian council over formation of independent Church on 15 December

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Protected by S-300s & escorted by the Su-27s of 39th Independent Tactical Aviation Squadron of #Ukraine Air Force, the Il-76MDs on deployment at Ozerne will be used by #Ukrainian Airborne troops in case of war over #Crimea. 39 oaeTA has now 14 operational

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liberals are gonna get their war with Russia dont you worry
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liberals are gonna get their war with Russia dont you worry
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That's what I'm afraid of...
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"The instigation by #russian special services of inter-confessional conflicts in #Ukraine in combination with provocations of direct #terrorist action can be the reason for an open military invasion of Russian Armed Forces into our country - Hrytsak says"

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liberals are gonna get their war with Russia dont you worry
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"If" Russia would attack Ukraine remember, Kiev is only about 240 miles from the Russian Border, and in this day and age GOOD ROADS exist to expedite the speed of any invasion.

Even with blown bridges and OK early anti tank weaponry defense Ukraine could only slow down a Russian Offensive, not stop it ... which means it would take Russia probably 3 to 5 days to reach Kiev versus 1 if there was no resistance. Remember, Russia does NOT have to attack Kiev by the most direct route either. Going double the distance, but with less opposition can move an army faster than going the shortest distance possible.

Even "IF" the US and NATO would decide to try to respond air assets are all they could get into the area "quickly" and even for those it would still take about 72 hours to get such assets near the theater. By the 72 hour mark Russia would probably be close to ending it's forward movement of it's assault (I doubt they would go much past Kiev - take Kiev, move on another 20-30 miles /30-50 kilometers, and stop - not risk going all the way to the Polish border)

Odd's of a Russian Attack in the NEAR future to at least take back the rest of the Russian Speaking, and Ethnic Russian, parts of Ukraine? Toss your coin in the air, I think it is close to 50/50 ... and would happen before Jan 15 if it is going to happen in the next few months.

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#UPDATE: SMD (South Military District) units in Krasnodar Krai #Russia put on high alert to respond to "avalanches in the mountains". The units are stationed in proximity to #Crimea. -Gage

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Russian Southern Military district units in Krasnodar Krai put on high alert to respond "to avalanches in mountains" [link to russia.liveuamap.com (secure)] … #Russia
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Avalanche my ass, more like Russian Bombardments
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liberals are gonna get their war with Russia dont you worry
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"If" Russia would attack Ukraine remember, Kiev is only about 240 miles from the Russian Border, and in this day and age GOOD ROADS exist to expedite the speed of any invasion.

Even with blown bridges and OK early anti tank weaponry defense Ukraine could only slow down a Russian Offensive, not stop it ... which means it would take Russia probably 3 to 5 days to reach Kiev versus 1 if there was no resistance. Remember, Russia does NOT have to attack Kiev by the most direct route either. Going double the distance, but with less opposition can move an army faster than going the shortest distance possible.

Even "IF" the US and NATO would decide to try to respond air assets are all they could get into the area "quickly" and even for those it would still take about 72 hours to get such assets near the theater. By the 72 hour mark Russia would probably be close to ending it's forward movement of it's assault (I doubt they would go much past Kiev - take Kiev, move on another 20-30 miles /30-50 kilometers, and stop - not risk going all the way to the Polish border)

Odd's of a Russian Attack in the NEAR future to at least take back the rest of the Russian Speaking, and Ethnic Russian, parts of Ukraine? Toss your coin in the air, I think it is close to 50/50 ... and would happen before Jan 15 if it is going to happen in the next few months.
 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic


Very plausible scenario...

Also agree with you on distance, IF Russians go in - they will stop at the Dniepro river, effectively giving them full land access to support Crimea. They are not interested in the western part of Ukraine...
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These Iskanders are in range of Ukraine.


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Russian Southern Military District 1st Guards Rocket Brigade Iskander missile unit based in Krasnodar (east from Crimea) alerted for exercises. Marched out.

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[link to MIL.RU] : The missile formation of the Southern Military District in the Kuban region, as part of the combat readiness checkout, marched to the area of combat training tasks [link to function.mil.ru:443 (secure)] …

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#UPDATE: SMD (South Military District) units in Krasnodar Krai #Russia put on high alert to respond to "avalanches in the mountains". The units are stationed in proximity to #Crimea. -Gage

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Russian Southern Military district units in Krasnodar Krai put on high alert to respond "to avalanches in mountains" [link to russia.liveuamap.com (secure)] … #Russia
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Avalanche my ass, more like Russian Bombardments
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Here is your Avalanche!
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#UPDATE: SMD (South Military District) units in Krasnodar Krai #Russia put on high alert to respond to "avalanches in the mountains". The units are stationed in proximity to #Crimea. -Gage

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Russian Southern Military district units in Krasnodar Krai put on high alert to respond "to avalanches in mountains" [link to russia.liveuamap.com (secure)] … #Russia
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Avalanche my ass, more like Russian Bombardments
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Here is your Avalanche!
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Boom!
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Ukraine Amasses Troops and Prepares False-flag Chemical Provocation

Not sure if reliable but saw this posted 18 Min aho


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Ukraine Amasses Troops and Prepares False-flag Chemical Provocation

Not sure if reliable but saw this posted 18 Min aho


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Russian "media" have been pumping out this info for a while now...
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GorseFires Collectif Retweeted TASS

This is Russian state propaganda laying the ground for a potentially massive assault on Ukraine's territory: creating casus belli, or justification for war.

Many anticipate Azov sea/coastal region. However, could be Kharkiv or even Odesa regions. [link to twitter.com (secure)] … 1/5

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Russia calls on US not to turn a blind eye on Kiev’s preparations for Donbass offensive [link to tass.com]

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GorseFires Collectif Retweeted TASS

This is Russian state propaganda laying the ground for a potentially massive assault on Ukraine's territory: creating casus belli, or justification for war.

Many anticipate Azov sea/coastal region. However, could be Kharkiv or even Odesa regions. [link to twitter.com (secure)] … 1/5

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Russia calls on US not to turn a blind eye on Kiev’s preparations for Donbass offensive [link to tass.com]

7:51 AM - 11 Dec 2018

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I'm including the rest of the twitter thread, as I believe it's relevant:


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Remember: TASS is Russia's largest News Agency, based in Moscow, it is wholly owned by the Government of Russia. This is not some mickey-mouse blog site! Russia is up to something nasty and will use deception (maskirovka) tactics until it happens. 2/5
7:51 AM - 11 Dec 2018


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TASS: According to the DPR’s reconnaissance data, Ukrainian troops plan to seize the DPR’s Novoazovsky and Temanovsky districts and take control over the border section with Russia. 3/5
7:51 AM - 11 Dec 2018


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TASS: Russia calls on Washington not to turn a blind eye on active military buildup by the Ukrainian forces and right-wing extremists along the contact line in Donbass that could trigger the implementation of a bloody scenario, the Russian Embassy to the US said. 4/5



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TASS: The Embassy urges the US State Department to recognize the presence of US instructors in the zone of combat actions, who are involved in a command and staff and field training of Ukraine’s assault airborne brigades. 5/5
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War is coming folks... neither side will back down.
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#UPDATE: #Russia has deployed S400 anti air defense system to the Kerch Strait and is fully operational. #Ukraine. -Gage
4:42 PM - 11 Dec 2018

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Russia – Ukraine warfare: “Complex forecast”


Dangerous processes can begin in Ukraine at the end of this week. They can assume a threatening nature from the third decade of the month. The Kremlin may try to realize their long-standing “isthmus scenario,” using several pretexts at once. Such “complex forecasts” were made by military columnist and blogger Oleksiy Arestovich on the UAportal.

Judging by what is happening, including an alleged attack on Mariupol by the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced in the “DPR”, I think that this can be the launch of the Azov-Crimean isthmus scenario. Russians have long been prepared to launch it, but with no dates set for it so far.


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GorseFires Collectif Retweeted Petri Mäkelä

This thread. From @pmakela1. Read it, please. And keep your minds and your options open. There is a reason why Russian elite tank and infantry tandem Kantemir-Taman have trained for urban warfare under "Kharkiv scenario". They weren't training for Syria!

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#wargame thread: If you were commanding the #Russian armed forces, how would you capitalize a situation where international community hands you an opportunity to attack #Ukraine without interference? 1/6
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ELINT News Retweeted ISW

#UPDATE: The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) assesses Russia will likely escalate militarily against Ukraine ‘imminently’

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#Russia is reinforcing ground, naval, and air elements in its Southern Military District. This is a sign that the Kremlin is preparing for open conflict with #Ukraine.

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Maskirovka is very very real.

Look where they are NOT showing.

Think what they are NOT saying.

If you think you've cracked the code, you simply haven't. Russia has centuries worth of experience masking their intentions, and has done so better than arguably anyone else. Ever.
3:17 PM - 12 Dec 2018

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Re: Russia-Ukraine UPDATE:Russia threatens Ukraine any attack on DPR/Pro Rus forces will lead to end of Ukraine's existence as a sovereign nation
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#Russia is using the social media to spread #disinformation about alleged #Ukraine’s planned offensive east of #Mariupol. Looks totally fake to me, as the map is in Russian, not in Ukrainian:
10:19 AM - 10 Dec 2018

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Jesus Christ. Ukrainian is almost identical to Russian. Who is this moron? You think the names of towns are fake? You can match it up with Ukrainian maps. Russian was one of the two national languages of Ukraine before the illegal, bloody coup. All Ukrainians can understand Russian.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine UPDATE:Russia threatens Ukraine any attack on DPR/Pro Rus forces will lead to end of Ukraine's existence as a sovereign nation
Russia positioning military for open conflict against Ukraine, report says
December 12, 2018
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Reports over the past week have indicated that Russia is deploying military forces near the Ukrainian border, and a new intelligence analysis indicates that Russia may be preparing to strike.

The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) released a new weekly intelligence summary on Tuesday entitled “Russia in Review,” in which they assessed Russia’s recent mobilization of troops and military equipment, and concluded that Russia is preparing a strike against Ukraine.

“The Russian military is now preparing its forces for direct military involvement,” the ISW said. “The Kremlin is reinforcing ground, naval, and air elements in its Southern Military District – the command likely responsible for managing its ongoing war in Ukraine. Moscow may calculate that the international community will not meaningfully respond if the visibility of its role in the war now increases.”

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The ISW also warned that Russia has mobilized troops and equipment under the guise of military exercises. However, the next exercise, Center-2019, is not scheduled to begin until September 2019.

“This early start to the exercises is atypical and may signal preparation for open conflict with Ukraine under the auspices of military exercises. Russia has previously used military exercises as cover to prepare for offensive operations,” the ISW warned.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine UPDATE:Russia threatens Ukraine any attack on DPR/Pro Rus forces will lead to end of Ukraine's existence as a sovereign nation
I think its a 50:50 chance that Russia will steam roll Ukraine in the next few days. EU is in chaos, Trump is too busy with scandals
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