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Real Islam is only in Quran
From Edip Yüksel's Manifesto:

"O people, a proof has come to you from your Lord, and We have sent down to you a guiding light." (4:174)

"and do not make corruption on the Earth after it has been reformed" (7:85)

"It is one of the great ones. A warning to humanity. For any among you who wishes to progress or regress" (74:36-37).

The influence of the religion concocted by clerics during the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties is still dominant in Muslim countries. The blasphemous idea that the Quran is incomplete, unintelligible, and insufficient for spiritual guidance created a huge demand for religious books, and clergymen with big turbans and long beards supplied volumes of them. The masses were told that those books were going to complete, explain, and detail the Quranic revelation. These clerics thus implied that God was not a wise and articulate author; He could not make His message sufficiently clear and he failed to provide guidance on many issues, sometimes even issues involving important spiritual principles and practices. Without these supplementary books, the Quran was of limited use to the individual seeking religious guidance. Some even went so far as to declare that reading the Quran alone would mislead the reader. Numerous books of hadith and sectarian jurisprudence (sharia) were labeled “authentic” and for all practical purposes, they replaced the Quran. The Quran was not a book to be understood on its own; people needed to read books written by professional narrators, collectors, editors, and scholars of hearsay and speculation. Many people got lost among the volumes of books written to interpret and explain the Quran and did not find sufficient time to study the Quran itself. The privileged few who did find that time, had little chance of understanding it, since their minds were tainted with man-made religious instructions, and their logic had been corrupted by contradictory teachings or what we call might call holy viruses.

Although religious scholars, clerics and their blind followers have always demonstrated the utmost formal respect for the Quran as physical media, (the leather or paper on which the verses of the Quran were written) they lost faith in, and respect for its message. Verses of the Quran are hung in high places on the walls, touched and treated with utmost reverence, yet Muslims rarely refer to them for their guidance. They are too confused by the contradictory and tangled maze of thousands of hadith falsely attributed to Muhammad and lost among the trivial details of sectarian books. When they occasionally refer to the Quran, it is most likely to be in an abusive manner, abusing the verses by taking them out of context and using them as slogans to declare holy wars or justify aggression. The Quran that liberated people from the darkness of ignorance was transformed, soon after Muhammad's departure, to a book whose verses were recited for the dead, an amulet carried by the mentally and physically sick, and a paper idol to be revered and feared.

Though the Quran is considered one of the most read books, millions of Muslims read the Quran without understanding it. Even if their native language is Arabic, they are taught not to trust their understanding. The Quran might be the most read book, but unfortunately, due to the concerted effort of religious clerics, it has been turned to the least understood and the least followed popular book in history.

When the mass reversion from the progressive and enlightening message of the Quran started, those who rejected the fabricated hadith and Sunna, the Arab version of Jewish Mishna and Gemara, they were labeled as murtad; (apostates) and they were threatened, tortured and murdered by the followers of hadith and sunna. For instance, a critical study of the Muslim history will reveal that Abu Hanifa was one of those courageous monotheists (hanif) who was persecuted during both the Umayyad and Abbasid dynasties. During his lifetime, he was accused of not accepting hadith. However, the murderers took advantage of his growing reputation after his death and led the creation of a Sunni sect falsely attributed to him.

The Origins of Hislam

After the death of the Prophet Muhammad, a diabolic event happened. In direct contradiction to the teachings of the Quran, male clerics dedicated the religion not to God alone, but to a holy; corporation consisting of:

God +
Muhammad +
Muhammad's companions +
The companions of Muhammad's companions +
Early sect leaders +
Late sect leaders +
Early scholars of a particular sect +
Late scholars of a particular sect, and so on.
The product of this corporation was the hadith (teachings attributed to Muhammad), the Sunna (actions attributed to Muhammad), the Ijma (consensus of a select group of early scholars), and the Sharia (religious decrees by early scholars). The result was numerous hostile factions that afflicted a great amount of division and atrocities in the land about thirty years after the departure of Muhammad (6:159; 23:52-56). This concoction of medieval Arab/Christian/Jewish cultures was introduced to the masses as God's infallible religion, as delivered by the last prophet. The only thing actually delivered by God to Muhammad, however, was the text of the Holy Quran, which is set out as the final and authoritative divine message to humankind:

"Once We recite it, you shall follow such a recitation (Quran). Then, it is We who will explain it." (75:18-19)

Unfortunately, ignorance, intolerance, misogynist teachings, superstitions, and outdated practices have accumulated over the centuries in interpreting and translating the holy book of Islam. It is time to re-introduce the actual message of the Quran. It is time to remove the accumulated layers of man-made dogmas and traditions that have attached themselves to the text. (6:21; 7:29; 9:31; 16:52; 39:2,11,14; 40:14,65; 42:21; 45.17; 74:1-56; 98:5).

Under a very cruel theocratic state terror, many men mobilized to participate in the creation what we rightly call Hislam. They did not have much chance to add or subtract to what was considered The Quran, but there was a lot of room for innovations, superstitions, additions and distortions through fabricating hadith. When a man from Bukhara started collecting hearsay more than two hundred years after the departure of the prophet Muhammad, the landscape and social demographics were fertile for all kinds of theological concoctions and mutations. Those people and their parents had participated in numerous sectarian wars and atrocities. Many educated Gentiles, Christians and Jews were converted to Islam for dubious reasons. Most of these converts had never experienced a paradigm change; they just found it convenient to integrate their culture and most of their previous religious ideas with the new one. To justify and promote their version of religion, the elite started packaging and introducing their religious, cultural, and political ideas and practices under the brand names of hadith, sunna, commentaries, and fatwas. Besides, they fabricated numerous stories called asbab ul-nuzul (the reasons for revelation) about why each verse was revealed, thereby distorting the meaning or limiting the scope of many Quranic verses. There was a great effort and competition to distort the meaning of words, taking them out of context to promote the agenda of a certain religion, culture, tribe, sect, cult, or king. Male chauvinists, hermits, misogynists too took advantage of this deformation movement. Hearsay statements attributing words and deeds to Muhammad and his idolized comrades became the most powerful tool or Trojan horse, for promotion of diverse political propaganda, cultural assimilation, and even commercial advertisement. As a result, the Quran was deserted and its message was heavily distorted.

Soon after Muhammad's death, thousands of hadiths (words attributed to Muhammad) were fabricated and two centuries later collected, and centuries later were compiled and written in the so-called authentic hadith books:

to support the teaching of a particular sect against another (for instance, what nullifies ablution; which sea food is prohibited);
to flatter or justify the authority and practice of a particular king against dissidents (such as, Mahdy and Dajjal);
to promote the interest of a particular tribe or family (such as, favoring Quraysh tribe or Muhammad's family);
to justify sexual abuse and misogyny (such as, Aisha's age; barring women from leading Salat prayers);
to justify violence, oppression and tyranny (such as, torturing members of Urayna and Uqayla tribes, massacring Jewish population in Medina, assassinating a female poet for her critical poems);
to exhort more rituals and righteousness (such as, nawafil prayers);
to validate superstitions (such as, magic; worshiping the black stone near Kaba);
to prohibit certain things and actions (such as, prohibiting drawing animal and human figures, playing musical instruments, chess);
to import Jewish and Christian beliefs and practices (such as, death by stoning, circumcision, head scarf, hermitism, rosary);
to resurrect pre-islamic beliefs and practices common among Meccans (such as, intercession; slavery; tribalism; mysoginism);
to please crowds with stories (such as the story of Mirage (ascension to heaven) and bargaining for prayers);
to idolize Muhammad and claim his superiority to other messengers (such as, numerous miracles, including splitting the moon);
to defend hadith fabrications against monotheists (such as, condemning those who find the Quran alone sufficient); and even
to advertise products of a particular farm (such as, the benefits of dates grown in a town called Ajwa).
In addition to the above mentioned reasons, many hadith were fabricated to explain the meaning of the difficult Quranic words or phrases, or to distort the meaning of verses that contradicted the fabricated hadith, or to provide trivial information not mentioned in the Quran (such as, Saqar, 2:187; 8:35 )

Islam versus Hislam

Let's first check the Quran and enumerate some of the characteristics of Islam, the system of peace, submission and surrender to God alone.

Islam

is not a proper name, but a descriptive noun coming from the Arabic root of surrendering/submission/peace, used by God to describe the system delivered by all His messengers and prophets (5:111; 10:72; 98:5), which reached another stage with Abraham (4:125; 22:78).
is surrendering to God alone (2:112,131; 4:125; 6:71; 22:34; 40:66).
is a system with universal principles, which are in harmony with nature (3:83; 33:30; 35:43).
requires objective evidence besides personal experience (3:86; 2:111; 21:24; 74:30).
demands conviction not based on wishful thinking or feelings, but based on reason and evidence (17:36; 4:174; 8:42; 10:100; 11:17; 74:30-31).
esteems knowledge, education, and learning (35:28; 4:162; 9:122; 22:54; 27:40; 29:44,49).
promotes scientific inquiry regarding the evolution of human kind on earth (29:20).
rejects clergymen and intermediaries between god and people (2:48; 9:31-34).
condemns profiteering from religion (9:34; 2:41,79,174; 5:44; 9:9).
stands for liberty, accountability, and defiance of false authorities. (6:164).
stands for freedom of expression (2:256; 18:29; 10:99; 88:21-22).
requires consultation and representation in public affairs (42:38; 5:12).
promotes a democratic system where participation of all citizens is encouraged and facilitated (58:11).
prohibits bribery, and requires strict rules against the influence of interest groups and corporations in government (2:188).
requires election of officials based on qualifications and principles of justice (4:58).
promises justice to everyone, regardless of their creed or ethnicity (5:8).
acknowledges the rights of citizens to publicly petition against injustices committed by individuals or government (4:148).
encourages the distribution of wealth, economic freedom and social welfare (2:215, 59:7).
promotes utmost respect to individuals (5:32).
relates the of the quality of a society to the quality of individuals comprising it (13:11).
recognizes and protects individual right’s to privacy (49:12).
recognizes the right to the presumption of innocence and right to confront the accuser (49:12).
provides protection for witnesses (2:282).
does not hold innocent people responsible for the crime of others (53:38).
protects right to personal property (2:85,188; 4:29; exception 24:29; 59:6-7).
discourages non-productive economy (2:275; 5:90; 3:130).
encourages charity and caring for the poor (6:141; 7:156).
unifies humanity by promoting gender and race equality. (49:13).
values women (3:195; 4:124; 16:97).
values intellect (5:90).
offers peace among nations (2:62; 2:135-136, 208).
considers the entire world belonging to all humanity and supports immigration (4:97-98).
promotes peace, while deterring the aggressive parties (60:8,9; 8:60).
pursues the golden-plated brazen rule of equivalence, that is, retaliation with occasional forgiveness (42:20; 17:33).
stands for human rights and the oppressed (4:75).
encourages competition in righteousness and morality. (16:90)
stands for peace, honesty, kindness, and deterring from wrong doing. (3:110)
expects high moral standards (25:63-76; 31:12-20; 23:1-11).
asks us to be in harmony with nature and environment (30:41).
teaches that the only system/law approved by god is Islam (3:19,85).
(Edip Yüksel)
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Best regards and peace.

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You wrote so much.
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Example; There is no rajm in real Islam.

2 – The adulteress and the adulterer should be flogged a hundred lashes (jalda) each. Do not be swayed by kindness from carrying out God’s law, if you believe in God and the Last Day. And the punishment should be witnessed by a group of believers.
24 The Light, 2


"Sectarian Islam tried to revoke the Quranic verses and added something alien to the Quran: namely stoning to death. What is still more terrifying was the allegation of traditionalists who argued that there was a missing link in the Quran that had to be supplemented. According to their account, the verse that treated the stoning to death of the offender accused of adultery did exist but was eaten up by a goat.

In the meantime, we must not forget that all the sects without exception have vindicated this argument. Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Davudi Hanbal, Ibn Maja hold a brief for the existence of rajm. Yet, the retribution for adultery is well explained in the Quran. To introduce a new provision that contradicts the Quran shows the kind of mentality and the degree of faith in the Quran of the traditionalist Islamist.

2 – The adulteress and the adulterer should be flogged a hundred lashes (jalda) each. Do not be swayed by kindness from carrying out God’s law, if you believe in God and the Last Day. And the punishment should be witnessed by a group of believers.
24 The Light, 2

The punishment is then the flogging of the offender with a jalda, an Arabic expression meaning a stick that would hurt the skin. The Arabic words ansa, minsa, which have the signification of rod, or cudgel, are not mentioned. By this is meant that the idea was not to inflict pain to the offender but merely to expose him/her to public censure. According to the Quran, to prove adultery, the testimony of four witnesses is required. If we take into consideration that immunity of private ownership is de rigueur in Islam, it is difficult for four persons to witness the adulterous act at the same time. Yet, this is a prescription that bans the institution of brothels. While even in such a case ,God says not to be overtaken by compassion, how can a cruel punishment like stoning to death be envisaged? Moreover, in the preceding verse (24 The Light, 1) it is stressed that the verse to follow is explicit enough. This is the law of God who is never short of words (31 Luqmaan, 27); who is the Supreme Lawgiver (5 The Feast, 50); who is not forgetful (19 Mary, 64) and who has revealed the Quran in all its details (11 Hud, 1).


The story runs as follows: “The verses of the Quran written on papyri were kept in the house of Aisha, the Prophet’s wife. A hungry goat that had access ate them.” An account of this may be read in the books of Ibn Maja’s Nikah; Hanbal. How can a verse of the Quran that had been completed and learned by heart vanish after the death of the Prophet? According to the traditionalist Islam, Ibn Kutayba uses the following introductory remark before tackling the problem: “The goat is a holy animal.” Then he continues enumerating the merits of this holy goat. “God who annihilated the tribes Ad and Samud might well have a goat to repeal His verse.” Ibn Kutayba, who established an analogy between these atheist tribes destroyed by God and this event, sets a good example for the incongruous approaches of traditionalist, sectarian Islamists.

A hadith falsely ascribed to Caliph Omar states: “People will arise in the future who will deny the existence of rajm. These people will be religious apostates. Had I not feared the people’s allegation that Omar was making additions to the Quran, I would have introduced the rajm verse in the Quran” (Bukhari, Muslim Hudud, Abu Davud).

In our opinion, even this single hadith is enough to argue against the unreliability of the books of Bukhari, Muslim and Abu Davud. According to the mentality of these hadiths, Omar feared public censure more than God.

STONING OF ADULTEROUS MONKEYS
Not being content with such concoctions, Bukhari says that even monkeys having witnessed an adulterous relation between two monkeys had punished the offenders by stoning them to death. Kurtubi says that at the end of the Sura Ahzab there was a missing verse (namely the verse about rajm) and that it had been omitted by the scribes under Caliph Osman. There was no end to justifications sought to vindicate the existence of rajm.

To prove their case, sectarians have tried to abrogate (nasih) the explicit provision of 24 The Light, 2. According to one rumor, there was no rajm in the Quran during the time of Caliph Omar; according to another account, it is alleged that it had been omitted during the time of Caliph Osman. And according to another legend,it was said that a goat had eaten it. Then the rajm of monkeys are reported which, according to hearsay, the companions had witnessed. All these in total disregard the explicit prescription in the Quran to this effect! According to the Quran, the Quran is a self-sufficient and complete book. According to books of hadiths and the sectarians this is not so. While the Quran preached not to be divided into factions and sermonized against sectarians, the sects have been relentless in insisting on the details to be observed during the stoning: “In stoning, pebbles each of the size of a chickpea shall be used. The adulteress will be driven into a pit while the man shall be stoned standing.” (Book of four sects)

TIME TO BRING THE QURAN DOWN FROM THE WALL
It is to be regretted that the Quran has been hung at a lofty place and the contents only read for the souls of the departed. The sectarians argued that the Quran was a book that could only be understood by a few. Man’s common sense and intellectual genius were vilified. Sectarian imams had the exclusivity of the religion. Scholars in other branches of science could not possibly conceive what was said in the Quran and were to obey the word of the sectarians rather than formulating their own opinions.

100 – And He casts uncleanness on those who will not understand.
10 Jonah, 100

10 – We have sent down to you a Book which has a reminder for you. Will you not then understand?
21 The Prophets, 10"

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It's an open forum. We get it. All are welcome.

However, can you keep that over there in Turkey? Islam, Sharia and what not ,are simply not compatible with western values.
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Salvation is the blood of Jesus.Sometimes I get weak and hungry and crave blood.Do you?
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All religions need to be personal matters, not outer shows, not mosques temples churches.

However out of all the outer beast expression of spirituality and material exploitation of people by the elites who run the church's, temples, mosques, Christians have many different denominations but they don't kill each other, not in modern times.

What you're describing is a huge problem that causes massive loss of life and liberty and sexual abuses and slavery of women, children, infidels, etc.

Even if there are moderates who as you suggest follow a pure non violent faith that helps the poor, this is one branch of a violent warring octopus.

Unlike anything on this planet.

And the thread about Jesus and Islam is completely erroneous.

I hope there are higher minded Islamists as you are suggesting.

But are they forced into this one religion? What do they do if their child wants to choose their own spouse, and explore Christianity/Buddhism, or meditation just?

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Salvation is the blood of Jesus.Sometimes I get weak and hungry and crave blood.Do you?
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Leviticus 17:10
If anyone from the house of Israel or foreigner living among them eats any blood, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from among his people.




Leviticus 19:26
You must not eat anything with blood still in it. You must not practice divination or sorcery.
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It's an open forum. We get it. All are welcome.

However, can you keep that over there in Turkey? Islam, Sharia and what not ,are simply not compatible with western values.
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Islam turkler icin indirildi sikko ingilizce ile anlayilmak icin degil. Tum erenler bu topraklarda yasadi yum amanali bilgi buradan cikti. Amerikaliya bir sey satmana gerek yok. Sataniat geldiler oyle de gidecekler. ALLAH ZULUMLERINI ARTIRSIN CAHILLERIN.
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Kuran en guzel turkce anlasilir. Arapca ile simbiyotik iliski icinde.

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All religion is from Satan and join together to bow down to him.

So I’m a hater. Kill me now.
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What’s the difference btween Catholisism and Islam? Both worship Mary. Both are brainwashed by Clerics and priests. Both claim to be of peace. Peace safety.

And the Pope. He is Imam. He points to the Mahdi.
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What’s the difference btween Catholisism and Islam?
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There is only one God in Islam.... You only pray to Allah.

There are no sacred people.
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islam is a form of Totalitarian government and a murder cult.

^^^ True story.
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reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to
its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in
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Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day...
America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments...
1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year.
2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges.
3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set.
4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit.

Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates.

Democrats are a WMD, literally.

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Hey OP - I have a question for you.
Considering gel caps that are used in most medicine is made with pork fat, do you just ignore that and thumb your nose at Mohammad, or do you go without meds?
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What’s the difference btween Catholisism and Islam?
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There is only one God in Islam.... You only pray to Allah.

There are no sacred people.
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Fuck all these crazy ass sand nigars! Nobody gives a shit about you! Go drink camel piss! Eat goat shit and die! Fuck Mohammed and his lying devil worshipping ass!
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