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Why do you believe the creation story?

 
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Why do you believe the creation story?
When the very first human arrived they had no language to speak of. The art of communication must have evolved over a very very long period.

As a result there would have been no writing or record of our very first ancestors. The Biblical stories weren’t written until humans were well advanced in civilisation, long long after the first humans.

So how can you believe what a tribe of people’s wrote to be THE definitive creation story with this in mind? There is no way they could have known about who or how the first humans came about.
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
God told Moses what to write.
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
God told Moses what to write.
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No. You’re not being logical. The authors of the text say God told Moses what to write. That isn’t evidence that the creator of the universe actually did this.

You saying Moses wrote about his own death?
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
Because it comes from the word of God.
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
When the very first human arrived they had no language to speak of. The art of communication must have evolved over a very very long period.

As a result there would have been no writing or record of our very first ancestors. The Biblical stories weren’t written until humans were well advanced in civilisation, long long after the first humans.

So how can you believe what a tribe of people’s wrote to be THE definitive creation story with this in mind? There is no way they could have known about who or how the first humans came about.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great

The real creation story:

A long, long, long time ago a juvenile, not so bright alien made an experiment in science class ..... and BOOOM.
Alien: "Oh fuck, I think I have created a universe!"
Science teacher: "Shit happens some times."

Of course worshipping a slightly demented young alien would make mankind look stupid, thus they made up a story about seven days, let it be light, Adam and Eve aso.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
Because it comes from the word of God.
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Again you’re not being logical. The authors of the text say it came from God but that is as logical as me saying this thread was inspired by God and you taking my word as proof.
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
Because it comes from the word of God.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Again you’re not being logical. The authors of the text say it came from God but that is as logical as me saying this thread was inspired by God and you taking my word as proof.
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The fulfilled prophesies of the bible confirm it is.
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Because it comes from the word of God.
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God says differently in the eastern scriptures.
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
Because it comes from the word of God.
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Again you’re not being logical. The authors of the text say it came from God but that is as logical as me saying this thread was inspired by God and you taking my word as proof.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


The fulfilled prophesies of the bible confirm it is.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Which fulfilled prophecies?
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
Because it comes from the word of God.
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Again you’re not being logical. The authors of the text say it came from God but that is as logical as me saying this thread was inspired by God and you taking my word as proof.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


The fulfilled prophesies of the bible confirm it is.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Which fulfilled prophecies?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


And why does prophecy prove it came from God. Isn’t prophecy witchcraft?
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
There are days I don't even believe that I got out of bed.

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Again you’re not being logical. The authors of the text say it came from God but that is as logical as me saying this thread was inspired by God and you taking my word as proof.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


The fulfilled prophesies of the bible confirm it is.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Which fulfilled prophecies?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


And why does prophecy prove it came from God. Isn’t prophecy witchcraft?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


Because you would need to have foreknowledge to be right and only God does! And no, witchcraft is sin, prophecy is how God communicate s with his people!
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
When the very first human arrived they had no language to speak of. The art of communication must have evolved over a very very long period.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


Or, there’s always been humans in existence and they’ve always been able to communicate.

After all, if God is eternal then surely nature would follow the same eternal law.
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The fulfilled prophesies of the bible confirm it is.
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


Which fulfilled prophecies?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


And why does prophecy prove it came from God. Isn’t prophecy witchcraft?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


Because you would need to have foreknowledge to be right and only God does! And no, witchcraft is sin, prophecy is how God communicate s with his people!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


On whose authority is prophecy how God communicates with his people?
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
When the very first human arrived they had no language to speak of. The art of communication must have evolved over a very very long period.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


Or, there’s always been humans in existence and they’ve always been able to communicate.

After all, if God is eternal then surely nature would follow the same eternal law.
 Quoting: michaelj


Then please explain the dinosaur. Or the dodo.
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When the very first human arrived they had no language to speak of. The art of communication must have evolved over a very very long period.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


Or, there’s always been humans in existence and they’ve always been able to communicate.

After all, if God is eternal then surely nature would follow the same eternal law.
 Quoting: michaelj


Then please explain the dinosaur. Or the dodo.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


I’ve no idea. Maybe they were friendly. Maybe they lived in one particular area away from humans.
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
When the very first human arrived they had no language to speak of. The art of communication must have evolved over a very very long period.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


Or, there’s always been humans in existence and they’ve always been able to communicate.

After all, if God is eternal then surely nature would follow the same eternal law.
 Quoting: michaelj


Then please explain the dinosaur. Or the dodo.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


I’ve no idea. Maybe they were friendly. Maybe they lived in one particular area away from humans.
 Quoting: michaelj


So then why are you putting forth theories you admit you cannot explain as fact? Is this helpful to mankind?
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Or, there’s always been humans in existence and they’ve always been able to communicate.

After all, if God is eternal then surely nature would follow the same eternal law.
 Quoting: michaelj


Then please explain the dinosaur. Or the dodo.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


I’ve no idea. Maybe they were friendly. Maybe they lived in one particular area away from humans.
 Quoting: michaelj


So then why are you putting forth theories you admit you cannot explain as fact? Is this helpful to mankind?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


That's how we explain blacks, white, Asians, etc. They were all in their own parts. Also why certain animal species are only in some parts of the planet.
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Infinite, universes+ infinite vibrations + infinite space= probability of one creating all= source/ God
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Or, there’s always been humans in existence and they’ve always been able to communicate.

After all, if God is eternal then surely nature would follow the same eternal law.
 Quoting: michaelj


Then please explain the dinosaur. Or the dodo.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


I’ve no idea. Maybe they were friendly. Maybe they lived in one particular area away from humans.
 Quoting: michaelj


So then why are you putting forth theories you admit you cannot explain as fact? Is this helpful to mankind?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


I think it’s extremely helpful to ponder the nature of self and the world we experience and appear to inhabit.

I didn’t put forward a theory; I simply proposed an alternative to your statement that a first human must have arrived. After all, how reasonable and logical is that? Did we suddenly poof into existence or evolve from nothing? Were they created by being who himself was not created? If God was not created then surely his children are not created.
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Then please explain the dinosaur. Or the dodo.
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


I’ve no idea. Maybe they were friendly. Maybe they lived in one particular area away from humans.
 Quoting: michaelj


So then why are you putting forth theories you admit you cannot explain as fact? Is this helpful to mankind?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


I think it’s extremely helpful to ponder the nature of self and the world we experience and appear to inhabit.

I didn’t put forward a theory; I simply proposed an alternative to your statement that a first human must have arrived. After all, how reasonable and logical is that? Did we suddenly poof into existence or evolve from nothing? Were they created by being who himself was not created? If God was not created then surely his children are not created.
 Quoting: michaelj


If we weren’t created then what need of God?
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
Language is as old as the first humans. It probably started with plain sounds and cries, but still a way to communicate with each other. So language evolved in time and became more complex and could also transfer information and ideas to the next generations, which we call "oral tradition" long before they started writing it down. The writing systems came much later.

But about your question, nearly every civilization had/has a religion as one of its main characteristics and every religion had/has its own creation story.

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Language is as old as the first humans. It probably started with plain sounds and cries, but still a way to communicate with each other. So language evolved in time and became more complex and could also transfer information and ideas to the next generations, which we call "oral tradition" long before they started writing it down. The writing systems came much later.

But about your question, nearly every civilization had/has a religion as one of its main characteristics and every religion had/has its own creation story.
 Quoting: Ostria1


Exactly. National stories for different nationalities. So why does a western people subscribe to a national creation story designed for a nomadic middle eastern tribe of people?
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Which fulfilled prophecies?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


And why does prophecy prove it came from God. Isn’t prophecy witchcraft?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


Because you would need to have foreknowledge to be right and only God does! And no, witchcraft is sin, prophecy is how God communicate s with his people!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


On whose authority is prophecy how God communicates with his people?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


Gods!
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Created taken from the dust of the ground which creates flora which in turn feeds fauna that we consume. Give thanks for your meal. Not primordial gloop as some transhumanists that have been staring too long at a computer screen would declare. Idols false light consumerism and the golden calf. Those that believed in that were put to death! Man worshipping himself or worshipping beast and the creation over the creator. Or the works of their own hands!
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I’ve no idea. Maybe they were friendly. Maybe they lived in one particular area away from humans.
 Quoting: michaelj


So then why are you putting forth theories you admit you cannot explain as fact? Is this helpful to mankind?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


I think it’s extremely helpful to ponder the nature of self and the world we experience and appear to inhabit.

I didn’t put forward a theory; I simply proposed an alternative to your statement that a first human must have arrived. After all, how reasonable and logical is that? Did we suddenly poof into existence or evolve from nothing? Were they created by being who himself was not created? If God was not created then surely his children are not created.
 Quoting: michaelj


If we weren’t created then what need of God?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


He doesn’t take a body so doesn’t absorb any effects from material existence so he remains in his original and authentic condition. We mix with matter and due to the nature of consciousness eventually become something we are not and we suffer. By having a relationship with God we can be returned to our original condition and become healthy and prosperous once again.
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Re: Why do you believe the creation story?
Exactly. National stories for different nationalities. So why does a western people subscribe to a national creation story designed for a nomadic middle eastern tribe of people?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


You know the answer. Its because of the globalization of a religion (in our case of Christianity). Still you will rarely meet a Christian Greek who believes in the Old Testament as their own myth/history/tradition, as we have our own which is more complete and interesting, imo.
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In the beginning

God posted on his Twitter


Let there be everything

And then he sent forth an email

To the I.t. department

And so it was forever and ever

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Exactly. National stories for different nationalities. So why does a western people subscribe to a national creation story designed for a nomadic middle eastern tribe of people?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


You know the answer. Its because of the globalization of a religion (in our case of Christianity). Still you will rarely meet a Christian Greek who believes in the Old Testament as their own myth/history/tradition, as we have our own which is more complete and interesting, imo.
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More complete? You just admitted they are national stories. How can you be complete if it only caters for a particular people?

More interesting than Greek or Roman or Indian, Chinese myth? That is purely a matter of opinion and slightly arrogant, sir.
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So then why are you putting forth theories you admit you cannot explain as fact? Is this helpful to mankind?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


I think it’s extremely helpful to ponder the nature of self and the world we experience and appear to inhabit.

I didn’t put forward a theory; I simply proposed an alternative to your statement that a first human must have arrived. After all, how reasonable and logical is that? Did we suddenly poof into existence or evolve from nothing? Were they created by being who himself was not created? If God was not created then surely his children are not created.
 Quoting: michaelj


If we weren’t created then what need of God?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


He doesn’t take a body so doesn’t absorb any effects from material existence so he remains in his original and authentic condition. We mix with matter and due to the nature of consciousness eventually become something we are not and we suffer. By having a relationship with God we can be returned to our original condition and become healthy and prosperous once again.
 Quoting: michaelj


Ok you’re positing this as fact yet you know there is no evidence to back this up.
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Exactly. National stories for different nationalities. So why does a western people subscribe to a national creation story designed for a nomadic middle eastern tribe of people?
 Quoting: Aleksander The Great


You know the answer. Its because of the globalization of a religion (in our case of Christianity). Still you will rarely meet a Christian Greek who believes in the Old Testament as their own myth/history/tradition, as we have our own which is more complete and interesting, imo.
 Quoting: Ostria1


Sorry I misread you. Yes Greek myth is very interesting. Not sure about the ‘more’ though. Each to their own.





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