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New law being passed that severely restricts drone hobbyists

 
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Reminds me of the Firefly theme.
"they can't take the sky from me"

Appears they can.

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Funny how many things are illegal... until you pay the government money. Then, no problem!

That's why we need government so badly!
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I agree...right up until I'm on final approach and your 500 dollar drone takes out my 2.8 million dollar engine on my Citation and hopefully doesn't kill me in the process.
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


True. But I don't think the government will allow drone flyers to do that even if they pay a license fee.

And what many forget is, terrorists flying a drone with 3 pounds of C4 strapped to it won't bother following any rules. For that reason, the only defense of offense: planes will need to be designed with drone detectors and fitted with drone killers. That's the only surefire way to protect them.

"When they ban drones, only criminals will have drones"

Heard anything similar before?
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It’s all about taxing the law-abiding suckers.
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Good luck ever finding the drone operator. Most people think drone flyers are like right around the corner or something. I’m sitting in my bedroom a few miles from you while I peep in your windows with my hyperzoom lens 🤪
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Funny how many things are illegal... until you pay the government money. Then, no problem!

That's why we need government so badly!
 Quoting: g0v


I agree...right up until I'm on final approach and your 500 dollar drone takes out my 2.8 million dollar engine on my Citation and hopefully doesn't kill me in the process.
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


RC aircraft have never been permitted to fly within five miles of an airport without telling the control tower.

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I fly RC so I paid attention to the propaganda they used. The FAA didn't want to lose money on aerial filming by pilots so the MSM pushed the dangerous drone story everyday.

Once the FAA got its way and only a guy with a pilots license could use a drone for commercials filming plus had to pay the FAA their cut then the constant news reports ended.

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Why would this be an issue?
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


Because this is how it starts. Require licensing for a 500 gram toy with wings. Then keep ratcheting up the restrictions until no one can participate.

Same reason we are against licensing of firearms by the Feds.
 Quoting: Interferon


Yep, i can see it now. The ever so increasing "War On Drones". Seems similar to the "War On Drugs" in certain ways. Which Congress right now is attempting to greatly expand by closing the Loophole in the Controlled Substances Act. As of right now Analogs of Controlled Substances including Illegal ones are in a grey area of the law. They can technically legally be bought online as Research Chemicals which are clearly labeled "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION"...

SITSA has already passed the house & is now sitting in the Senate. If it's signed into law it will attempt to close this Loophole & place over 400 more Substances into Schedule 1. I hope it doesn't become law because nearly half if not over half of these Substances are Hallucinogens...

Hell, I've got a shitload of technically legal Acid(1P-LSD & ALD-52) sitting next to me in my collection right now both of which breakdown into LSD-25 when consumed. Who the fuck is the Government to tell anyone they can't participate in Altered States Of Consciousness???

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Around larger city airports there is "Class B" airspace which restricts flights into that airspace. Near the airports (usually within 10nm), the restriction starts at ground level, so any aircraft, manned or unmanned, must have communications with the controlling FAA facility. R/C flyers and model rocketeers know this...

A good sized drone wouldn't be good going through a jet engine...or a windscreen
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They are scared because of the incident in Venezuela. Soon drones won't need a radio connection to a human operator to achieve a pre-planned route, thanks to advances in visual navigation.

If they can't jam them, it's a huge problem, because it's not that easy to stop a small vehicle that requires no outside input to navigate.
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Funny how many things are illegal... until you pay the government money. Then, no problem!

That's why we need government so badly!
 Quoting: g0v


I agree...right up until I'm on final approach and your 500 dollar drone takes out my 2.8 million dollar engine on my Citation and hopefully doesn't kill me in the process.
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


True. But I don't think the government will allow drone flyers to do that even if they pay a license fee.

And what many forget is, terrorists flying a drone with 3 pounds of C4 strapped to it won't bother following any rules. For that reason, the only defense of offense: planes will need to be designed with drone detectors and fitted with drone killers. That's the only surefire way to protect them.

"When they ban drones, only criminals will have drones"

Heard anything similar before?
 Quoting: g0v


Not even suggesting banning them I'm thinking Insurance and radio tracking I have to do that with my 26 million dollar aircraft, should you not have to follow same you are also In the air.
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick

Of course you insure a 26 million dollar aircraft(if you can afford the aircraft, you can afford the insurance), but who the hell wants to be forced to insure a $500 TOY?! Not everyone can afford to insure everything they own, and it's a pointless pain in the ass anyway. Insurance is often a scam if you're careful with what you do, and we should have the right to choose.

Just let people do what they want, and if they ACTUALLY hurt anyone, punish them. Simple as that. Bureaucracy just makes things worse for everyone.

People need to stop being so scared of everything... I feel like EVERYTHING even remotely dangerous will be banned in the future if this keeps up. Life is dangerous sometimes; we need to man up and deal with it instead of babying us with laws(I'm looking at you, anti-drug retards who think you have the right to tell us how we can use our own consciousness, as well as anti-gun people).

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Funny how many things are illegal... until you pay the government money. Then, no problem!

That's why we need government so badly!
 Quoting: g0v


I agree...right up until I'm on final approach and your 500 dollar drone takes out my 2.8 million dollar engine on my Citation and hopefully doesn't kill me in the process.
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


A goose typically weighs between 30 and 45 pounds so what damage do you think a 1 pound bit of plastic is going to do?
 Quoting: michaelj


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The largest wild goose ever recorded weighed 24 pounds.


I had to look it up as I live next to an area frequented by a lot of migratory birds and I never saw anything of the size you indicated...
no offense.
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None taken. Thank you for the correction. The first search item I found for ‘goose weight’ was a Yahoo answer and I was a bit lazy not to check it properly. Bit obvious really considering I know exactly how heavy my 16.8kg (16lLb) road bike feels.

Sounds nice where you live.
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I agree...right up until I'm on final approach and your 500 dollar drone takes out my 2.8 million dollar engine on my Citation and hopefully doesn't kill me in the process.
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


True. But I don't think the government will allow drone flyers to do that even if they pay a license fee.

And what many forget is, terrorists flying a drone with 3 pounds of C4 strapped to it won't bother following any rules. For that reason, the only defense of offense: planes will need to be designed with drone detectors and fitted with drone killers. That's the only surefire way to protect them.

"When they ban drones, only criminals will have drones"

Heard anything similar before?
 Quoting: g0v


Not even suggesting banning them I'm thinking Insurance and radio tracking I have to do that with my 26 million dollar aircraft, should you not have to follow same you are also In the air.
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick

Of course you insure a 26 million dollar aircraft(if you can afford the aircraft, you can afford the insurance), but who the hell wants to insure a $500 drone?! Not everyone can afford to insure everything they own, and it's a pointless pain in the ass anyway. Insurance is often a scam if you're careful with what you do, and we should have the right to choose.

Just let people do what they want, and if they ACTUALLY hurt anyone, punish them. Simple as that. Bureaucracy just makes things worse for everyone.

People need to stop being so scared of everything... I feel like EVERYTHING even remotely dangerous will be banned in the future if this keeps up.
 Quoting: Dimethyltryptamine


Liability for property/vehicle damages?

What about a $500 car or bike?
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True. But I don't think the government will allow drone flyers to do that even if they pay a license fee.

And what many forget is, terrorists flying a drone with 3 pounds of C4 strapped to it won't bother following any rules. For that reason, the only defense of offense: planes will need to be designed with drone detectors and fitted with drone killers. That's the only surefire way to protect them.

"When they ban drones, only criminals will have drones"

Heard anything similar before?
 Quoting: g0v


Not even suggesting banning them I'm thinking Insurance and radio tracking I have to do that with my 26 million dollar aircraft, should you not have to follow same you are also In the air.
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick

Of course you insure a 26 million dollar aircraft(if you can afford the aircraft, you can afford the insurance), but who the hell wants to insure a $500 drone?! Not everyone can afford to insure everything they own, and it's a pointless pain in the ass anyway. Insurance is often a scam if you're careful with what you do, and we should have the right to choose.

Just let people do what they want, and if they ACTUALLY hurt anyone, punish them. Simple as that. Bureaucracy just makes things worse for everyone.

People need to stop being so scared of everything... I feel like EVERYTHING even remotely dangerous will be banned in the future if this keeps up.
 Quoting: Dimethyltryptamine


Liability for property/vehicle damages?

What about a $500 car or bike?
 Quoting: just a dude

Should I insure my guns and knives in case they're used for murder?

What about my fists. They can cause property damage, so should I insure them?

I drink alcohol, which increases risk of property damage, so should I have alcohol-drinker's insurance too?

As a pedestrian I could start an accident by bolting in front of an oncoming car, so should I have pedestrian insurance?

Lol where does it end?

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I agree...right up until I'm on final approach and your 500 dollar drone takes out my 2.8 million dollar engine on my Citation and hopefully doesn't kill me in the process.
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


A goose typically weighs between 30 and 45 pounds so what damage do you think a 1 pound bit of plastic is going to do?
 Quoting: michaelj


[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
The largest wild goose ever recorded weighed 24 pounds.


I had to look it up as I live next to an area frequented by a lot of migratory birds and I never saw anything of the size you indicated...
no offense.
 Quoting: DeniedTruths


None taken. Thank you for the correction. The first search item I found for ‘goose weight’ was a Yahoo answer and I was a bit lazy not to check it properly. Bit obvious really considering I know exactly how heavy my 16.8kg (16lLb) road bike feels.

Sounds nice where you live.
 Quoting: michaelj


6.8kg
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This is one law I can agree with.
There are increasing amounts of morons who are flying big drones into airports and over top of large groups of people. There are many great, responsible hobbyists and they can fly elsewhere to their hearts content.
But if a seagull can go through a jet windshield or ruin a jet engine turbine then keep the drones far away. #sully
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Saw a guy flying a drone while driving his car last week. The fucking drone was flying above his car going 40 mph down a major road. The speed limit on that road is 65 mph. So he was a danger to all those around him. I carefully passed him and said out loud....WTF?

............wtf 10
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This is one law I can agree with.
There are increasing amounts of morons who are flying big drones into airports and over top of large groups of people. There are many great, responsible hobbyists and they can fly elsewhere to their hearts content.
But if a seagull can go through a jet windshield or ruin a jet engine turbine then keep the drones far away. #sully
 Quoting: Steamer


There are already laws that cover everything that you mentioned.

Manufactured fear is all that this is.

Drones are only allowed by FAA regulations right now to be flown no higher than 400 feet, only within line of sight by the controller and not within five miles of a controlled airport without first contacting the tower.
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Why would this be an issue?
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


Because this is how it starts. Require licensing for a 500 gram toy with wings. Then keep ratcheting up the restrictions until no one can participate.

Same reason we are against licensing of firearms by the Feds.
 Quoting: Interferon


Drones are not protected by the constitution so no, not the same. Its more in line with fcc rules and regs regarding ham radio. Do you really want a bunch of retarded drone pilots flying something with spinning hack saw blades near you? Do you want the sky packed full of drones when you walk around outside?
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They could use them in nagger-fuxated cities!
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Saw a guy flying a drone while driving his car last week. The fucking drone was flying above his car going 40 mph down a major road. The speed limit on that road is 65 mph. So he was a danger to all those around him. I carefully passed him and said out loud....WTF?

............wtf 10
 Quoting: Ruprecht


Well he was breaking many laws at the time wasn't he. Will new laws stop idiots from breaking them too?

I'd say your story was BS but never underestimate the level of stupidity that people can have. They take it as a challenge.
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It's not necessarily just about interfering with manned air traffic. Think of all the stuff drones are useful for, that the government would like to regulate. They can even be used as weapons, with retrofitting, and that's WAY too close to the original meaning of 2A (you can have whatever armaments are current -- not just muskets!) to be allowed for long.
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Drone laws are coming and there isn't much that can be done to stop it.

It's rather simple.

If amazon can deliver a package to your doorstep for a insignificant cost, then so can a terrorist. When rudimentary AI starts to get weaponized we have a huge problem on our hands. It's one thing to get a person to commit suicide in order to deliver a significant blow to an enemy. It's quite another to have a 500$ toy do it.

Psychopaths shooting up schools will pale in comparison to remote untraceable AI drone attacks. It is going to be a nightmare. Mix with our current polarized political environment and we could have a domestic catastrophe in very short order. Drone doom is going to very rapidly become a thing.

AI is a force Multiplier and its power is tappable very long before we get anywhere near human level generalized intelligence.

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Why would this be an issue?
 Quoting: Homie B Honeydick


Because this is how it starts. Require licensing for a 500 gram toy with wings. Then keep ratcheting up the restrictions until no one can participate.

Same reason we are against licensing of firearms by the Feds.
 Quoting: Interferon


Yep, i can see it now. The ever so increasing "War On Drones". Seems similar to the "War On Drugs" in certain ways. Which Congress right now is attempting to greatly expand by closing the Loophole in the Controlled Substances Act. As of right now Analogs of Controlled Substances including Illegal ones are in a grey area of the law. They can technically legally be bought online as Research Chemicals which are clearly labeled "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION"...

SITSA has already passed the house & is now sitting in the Senate. If it's signed into law it will attempt to close this Loophole & place over 400 more Substances into Schedule 1. I hope it doesn't become law because nearly half if not over half of these Substances are Hallucinogens...

Hell, I've got a shitload of technically legal Acid(1P-LSD & ALD-52) sitting next to me in my collection right now both of which breakdown into LSD-25 when consumed. Who the fuck is the Government to tell anyone they can't participate in Altered States Of Consciousness???
 Quoting: Psychonaut SN7


The only drones they want in the air are the ones they use to spy on you and violate your rights.
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Drone laws are coming and there isn't much that can be done to stop it.

It's rather simple.

If amazon can deliver a package to your doorstep for a insignificant cost, then so can a terrorist. When rudimentary AI starts to get weaponized we have a huge problem on our hands. It's one thing to get a person to commit suicide in order to deliver a significant blow to an enemy. It's quite another to have a 500$ toy do it.

Psychopaths shooting up schools will pale in comparison to remote untraceable AI drone attacks. It is going to be a nightmare. Mix with our current polarized political environment and we could have a domestic catastrophe in very short order. Drone doom is going to very rapidly become a thing.

AI is a force Multiplier and its power is tappable very long before we get anywhere near human level generalized intelligence.
 Quoting: WisdomS33k3r


And I'm sure making drone hobbyists register their toy drones will prevent all of that.
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I expect it would be a good idea to ban drones flying near Airports and near flight paths .

There have been some close shaves in UK ..

I would think it would be good to register users and if they fly them where they could endanger aircraft the book should be thrown at them ..
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Saw a guy flying a drone while driving his car last week. The fucking drone was flying above his car going 40 mph down a major road. The speed limit on that road is 65 mph. So he was a danger to all those around him. I carefully passed him and said out loud....WTF?

............wtf 10
 Quoting: Ruprecht


Well he was breaking many laws at the time wasn't he. Will new laws stop idiots from breaking them too?

I'd say your story was BS but never underestimate the level of stupidity that people can have. They take it as a challenge.
 Quoting: Beast


Don't call my story bullshit asshole. Your one of those fucking morons who are always calling anything a person says as bullshit only because all your stories are bullshit. Most people who think like you....are prison people. Surrounded by liars. So you're trained to think everything any other person says is bullshit.

Now ...here's my advise to you little Beast...


..........................stfu
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I expect it would be a good idea to ban drones flying near Airports and near flight paths .

There have been some close shaves in UK ..

I would think it would be good to register users and if they fly them where they could endanger aircraft the book should be thrown at them ..
 Quoting: How do you solve a problem?


So a 400,000 pound aeroplane travelling at a reasonably high speed had a close a close shave with a 4 pound drone? Are you sure about that?
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I expect it would be a good idea to ban drones flying near Airports and near flight paths .

There have been some close shaves in UK ..

I would think it would be good to register users and if they fly them where they could endanger aircraft the book should be thrown at them ..
 Quoting: How do you solve a problem?



When I fly my drone I can see and hear aircraft very clearly.

I can fly circles around birds. There is very little risk of me flying into an airplane.

You drive on the road everyday and put your life in more risk.

Its no different when you fly a drone. You avoid the plane just like you do the oncoming car.

The car passes by you two feet away...
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Saw a guy flying a drone while driving his car last week. The fucking drone was flying above his car going 40 mph down a major road. The speed limit on that road is 65 mph. So he was a danger to all those around him. I carefully passed him and said out loud....WTF?

............wtf 10
 Quoting: Ruprecht


Well he was breaking many laws at the time wasn't he. Will new laws stop idiots from breaking them too?

I'd say your story was BS but never underestimate the level of stupidity that people can have. They take it as a challenge.
 Quoting: Beast


Don't call my story bullshit asshole. Your one of those fucking morons who are always calling anything a person says as bullshit only because all your stories are bullshit. Most people who think like you....are prison people. Surrounded by liars. So you're trained to think everything any other person says is bullshit.

Now ...here's my advise to you little Beast...


..........................stfu
 Quoting: Ruprecht

You clearly didn't read his response correctly.

He is saying it isn't BS because dumb people do stuff like you described.
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I expect it would be a good idea to ban drones flying near Airports and near flight paths .

There have been some close shaves in UK ..

I would think it would be good to register users and if they fly them where they could endanger aircraft the book should be thrown at them ..
 Quoting: How do you solve a problem?


There are already laws against flying near airports.

The news also fakes stories just for the visual effect.

I saw a news team drive onto a frozen lake where we were ice fishing, dump bags of garbage on the ice, film the garbage and they did a story about ice fishers polluting the lake.

They left and we cleaned it up.
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Saw a guy flying a drone while driving his car last week. The fucking drone was flying above his car going 40 mph down a major road. The speed limit on that road is 65 mph. So he was a danger to all those around him. I carefully passed him and said out loud....WTF?

............wtf 10
 Quoting: Ruprecht


Well he was breaking many laws at the time wasn't he. Will new laws stop idiots from breaking them too?

I'd say your story was BS but never underestimate the level of stupidity that people can have. They take it as a challenge.
 Quoting: Beast


Don't call my story bullshit asshole. Your one of those fucking morons who are always calling anything a person says as bullshit only because all your stories are bullshit. Most people who think like you....are prison people. Surrounded by liars. So you're trained to think everything any other person says is bullshit.

Now ...here's my advise to you little Beast...


..........................stfu
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LOL, learn to comprehend what you are reading.