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Notes from an "Alternate Universe": Escaping the Matrix

 
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I get what you're driving at. (get the pun, lol)

I know I ask you this a lot but tell me about the 'laws' of thermodynamics. Not what they are but how they come about.
 Quoting: Eductor

The laws of thermodynamics follow the laws of perspective, because they exist only in perspective and are dependent on them for their existence.

I'm still trying to wiggle my way into believing there are forces or laws that operate according to something outside myself.
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There's nothing outside your perspective.
 Quoting: KEKui




So, we are making the laws of thermodynamic and the laws of perspective?
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We use media as a shortcut, to conserve energy within our perspective.

The media is in our minds, literally.
 Quoting: KEKui


I guess we need drama, control and manipulation to keep ourselves entertained and to distract ourselves.


There were many that did, I think. They were simply ignored. In most cases nothing needs to be done because attention can be so easily manipulated.
 Quoting: KEKui



Maybe your friend could try using a genius. I think if I were in her position, I would want to give it a try.
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Perceptive changes because something is done, at least there is a change in thinking.
 Quoting: Eductor

Let's imagine that every possibility within perspective exists at once, simultaneously.

Further, that because it exists all at once nothing is being done nor is anything changing.

Rather than change, you would be more like a being that is experiencing the logical narrative from one possibility to the next.

When your perspective 'changes' nothing is really changing because the 'old' perspective continues to exist when you're experiencing something else.
 Quoting: KEKui


Something is changing because we are experiencing or seeing something else.

If we consider than thinking is a sense (of something that all ready exists) rather than something that can be done, then what we're doing is sensing the depth of the perspective.

Because it cannot be sensed all-at-once, the sensing seems to take up time and space.
 Quoting: KEKui

Sensing is something happening. Yes?
 Quoting: Eductor


The "happening" is indirect because it's all-at-once. We need to sense it indirectly because we cannot sense this all-at-once directly.

That is to say,
-it is happening all-at-once
-but we sense it over time and space (e.g., not all-at-once)
-because nothing can be sensed directly
-because the reality of something is beyond any perspective

We are unable to sense or know of something in real-time because real-time isn't in-the-present but all-at-once (independent of time and space).

What we call 'the present' moment is actually the past. If you think you're looking at these words in the present, you're not. It would be impossible to perceive of anything happening now because there is nothing happening now.

You would be unable to sense anything now because when you sense it, it is already "past".

There is no "now". There is only a point of processing, so to speak.

Consider it like this...

Past = information, memories, knowledge, etc
Present = processing of data and turning it into information (perceptions)
Future = raw data that hasn't yet been ordered into perceptions

If you imagine a clown pulling four balls out of his bag and juggling them, can we say that he is doing something? Can we say that he did do something? We could, but we'd be missing the point that:

1) nothing is actually being done
2) there is no clown, only the illusion of the clown

Perspective doesn't rely on anything happening at all, and neither does existence.

On one level we can say that we are perceiving of the relationship between two things rather than the things themselves. This makes it a bit easier to understand.

But it would be more accurate to say that you can only perceive of yourself, but you are not an "I" or person or self. You are the method by which the Void perceives of itself. This is an impossible thing to do, and existence comes from this futility. An infinity of time and space and details in all directions, which is our attempt to perceive something that is beyond perception.
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Btw, back to my question that I always bug you with, who forms the relationships? And, how are they formed? :) Something happens to perspective. I'm trying to nail that something down.
 Quoting: Eductor

Perspective forms the relationship automatically.

Nothing happens to perspective on the purest level. But I think I know what you mean.

The act of perceiving is the same as the formation.

I don't know how I could illustrate this but I suppose it would be like if everything you said became physically real simultaneously with you saying it.

With perspective, that which we use to perceive is the same as what we perceive.
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How do you define yourself?
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I thought he said Trump has a chance at it. It still doesn't mean I like Trump's rhetoric, btw, lol!

OK, I checked and here is what Carter says and notice how honest he is:

President Jimmy Carter says "under Trump, democracy is threatened and moral leadership is lacking. But if North Korea negotiations go well, a Nobel peace prize could be in Trump's future."

For all we know, he hoped to influence Trump to do good. I'll post the link but discreetly. I often get locked out if I post links.

[link to www.politico (secure)]

.com/magazine/

story/2018/05/22/jimmy-carter-podcast

-interview-trump-religion-2018-218412
 Quoting: Eductor


He mentioned, "...I think he certainly ought to be considered for the Nobel Peace Prize", which carries a different meaning than your quote.
 Quoting: KEKui


It's only in regards to if he manages North Korea. Notice that now he doesn't need them any more, nothing is going on between them. Anyway, I agree, the media is powerful. It seems everywhere we look, we are being programmed.


Would you consider it normal for yourself to use the term "rhetoric" when talking about the way someone talks? If not, why use the term?
 Quoting: KEKui


In this case, it's important to me. I don't usually use the term but I see this rhetoric as dangerous. I'm using it because it helps me separate the actions and the personality itself.

If you think about your favorite physical object, would you say that you like the person that made it (or the CEO of the company that made it)? Or perhaps you might think that it is irrelevant whether or not you like the person.
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Funny you ask that. When I was in school and had to turn in a book report, I quite often researched the author to add dimension to the report.
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There's nothing outside your perspective.
 Quoting: KEKui

So, we are making the laws of thermodynamic and the laws of perspective?
 Quoting: Eductor

There are no laws of thermodynamics, only the illusion of such.

There is perception, and that's it.

Everything that we perceive is the method of perception. (The things we perceive are the way in which we perceive rather than actual things.)

There are no real 'laws' that are followed. Just the perception of the Void, which you could say is the method of perceiving all things.

When we try to perceive the Void (which is beyond perception) it seems endless in time and space. In order to try to perceive something, we make sense of this endlessness and confusion and form a story (a logical narrative).

If a scientist considers the laws of Thermodynamics he is considering an aspect of perception itself rather than something that actually exists. It doesn't mean that it is real. It needs only make sense to be perceived. (Even things that don't make sense are still logical in some way, because they relate to other things.) The perception itself is the reality, or a perspective.

Nothing is made because nothing exists. The illusion of existence is what we experience.
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That is to say,
-it is happening all-at-once
-but we sense it over time and space (e.g., not all-at-once)
-because nothing can be sensed directly
-because the reality of something is beyond any perspective



We are unable to sense or know of something in real-time because real-time isn't in-the-present but all-at-once (independent of time and space).

What we call 'the present' moment is actually the past. If you think you're looking at these words in the present, you're not. It would be impossible to perceive of anything happening now because there is nothing happening now.

You would be unable to sense anything now because when you sense it, it is already "past".

There is no "now". There is only a point of processing, so to speak.

Consider it like this...

Past = information, memories, knowledge, etc
Present = processing of data and turning it into information (perceptions)
Future = raw data that hasn't yet been ordered into perceptions
 Quoting: kekui



I still get hung up in how data is processed and turned into perception. But, I like these bullet points for some reason.


But it would be more accurate to say that you can only perceive of yourself, but you are not an "I" or person or self. You are the method by which the Void perceives of itself. This is an impossible thing to do, and existence comes from this futility. An infinity of time and space and details in all directions, which is our attempt to perceive something that is beyond perception.
 Quoting: kekui


Wow, you've given me something to ponder. You make it sound like the Void is conscious. I thought the Void is within our minds.
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There's nothing outside your perspective.
 Quoting: KEKui

So, we are making the laws of thermodynamic and the laws of perspective?
 Quoting: Eductor

There are no laws of thermodynamics, only the illusion of such.

There is perception, and that's it.

Everything that we perceive is the method of perception. (The things we perceive are the way in which we perceive rather than actual things.)

There are no real 'laws' that are followed. Just the perception of the Void, which you could say is the method of perceiving all things.

When we try to perceive the Void (which is beyond perception) it seems endless in time and space. In order to try to perceive something, we make sense of this endlessness and confusion and form a story (a logical narrative).
 Quoting: kekui


It's interesting. I have an elderly relative and she seems lost in space at times. She often is trying to figure out where she is and even which decade she is in.

If a scientist considers the laws of Thermodynamics he is considering an aspect of perception itself rather than something that actually exists. It doesn't mean that it is real. It needs only make sense to be perceived. (Even things that don't make sense are still logical in some way, because they relate to other things.) The perception itself is the reality, or a perspective.
 Quoting: kekui


So, when a scientist discovers a pattern, her/his perspective just provided more narrative?

Nothing is made because nothing exists. The illusion of existence is what we experience.
 Quoting: kekui


I believe this even though I don't really understand it. It's too easy to see perception change so easily (at times) so we have to be making it up.
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I'm really looking forward to our upcoming event. I hope someone will fill in the last part about the breadmaker in Central America. After all, the event is starting, we might need to finish this last part.

Btw, Tony, I read your karma. I got some chuckles. Have you read the comments?

Stephen and Tuuuur, are you in? Who else is in?
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We use media as a shortcut, to conserve energy within our perspective.

The media is in our minds, literally.
 Quoting: KEKui


I guess we need drama, control and manipulation to keep ourselves entertained and to distract ourselves.
 Quoting: Eductor

And so that's why we 'create' the media in our minds and pretend we are watching it.

It's the perfect distraction from the Void.

There were many that did, I think. They were simply ignored. In most cases nothing needs to be done because attention can be so easily manipulated.
 Quoting: KEKui

Maybe your friend could try using a genius. I think if I were in her position, I would want to give it a try.
 Quoting: Eductor

She is aware of what's really going on, so I doubt if she would be interested in doing that.

The "me too" thing was a psy-op to distract from far, far worse offenses.

There is a reason the founder of the 'movement' was himself accused of doing the very thing that he was seen to help. That was the plan all along.

The 6-6-6 are experts at taking advantage of the human mind's capacity for logical fallacies. As long as we are not conditioned on how to think reasonably, this would all ways happen. Even the list of commonly-accepted fallacies are themselves riddled with fallacies to keep you in the dark.

Imagine that a guy named Jacob went on a camping trip with two of his friends. Unbeknownst to them, he was planning to kill one of them. One night on the trip, he slipped the friend that he wasn't planning to kill a 'mickey'. He then killed the other friend and stuffed his body into a bag.

He drove the now-crazy friend out 20 miles, stripped him naked, and left him there with a supply of food and water. He also left the dead body with him.

He went back to his campsite and reported his friends missing to a ranger. A search ensued. Many locals blamed Jacob for killing his friends, which didn't faze Jacob.

After a week of searching, one of his friends was found with a stash of mind-altering drugs. The body bag was found nearby.

Jacob then entered into grief counselling and was supported by friends and family upon his return.

One of the purposes of the movement was to diminish the cornerstone of the modern legal system, due process. This attempt was made again with the Justice Kavanaugh debacle.

But the main purpose was to shift the conversation away from what was building up. (Something that would have completely destroyed Hollywood, among other things.)

They put on sideshows to distract you from the more important information.

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How do you define yourself?
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Why would I do that?

I'm not sure what you mean.
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It's only in regards to if he manages North Korea. Notice that now he doesn't need them any more, nothing is going on between them. Anyway, I agree, the media is powerful. It seems everywhere we look, we are being programmed.
 Quoting: Eductor

May I ask, what do you mean by the bolded, above?

In this case, it's important to me. I don't usually use the term but I see this rhetoric as dangerous. I'm using it because it helps me separate the actions and the personality itself.
 Quoting: Eductor

If you don't normally use the term, could you say that you began to use it when you heard the media use it to reference the way he speaks?

Could the word "rhetoric" be a talking point?

Funny you ask that. When I was in school and had to turn in a book report, I quite often researched the author to add dimension to the report.
 Quoting: Eductor

So, how much do you like the person (or CEO of the company) that made your favorite physical thing?

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I still get hung up in how data is processed and turned into perception. But, I like these bullet points for some reason.
 Quoting: Eductor

Perhaps it's because you're thinking it must be done over time?

Perspective is all 3 together at once, not just the first part.

Remember this video?



Imagine that it is raw data, or Chaos.

Perception requires you to make patterns and break down the entropy of the raw data into information. You automatically make sense of it because that is what perception is.

So, after a few minutes of staring at it you begin to see things that make sense.

But it also happened as soon as you perceived it because the "static" makes sense to you, also. This process happens along with perception because it is perception.

Perception isn't something that someone does. Perception and being are the same thing.

I still get hung up in how data is processed and turned into perception. But, I like these bullet points for some reason.

But it would be more accurate to say that you can only perceive of yourself, but you are not an "I" or person or self. You are the method by which the Void perceives of itself. This is an impossible thing to do, and existence comes from this futility. An infinity of time and space and details in all directions, which is our attempt to perceive something that is beyond perception.
 Quoting: kekui


Wow, you've given me something to ponder. You make it sound like the Void is conscious. I thought the Void is within our minds.
 Quoting: Eductor


A conscious Void would be called perspective.

The Void is nowhere. (And is not in our minds.)
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There's nothing outside your perspective.
 Quoting: KEKui

So, we are making the laws of thermodynamic and the laws of perspective?
 Quoting: Eductor

There are no laws of thermodynamics, only the illusion of such.

There is perception, and that's it.

Everything that we perceive is the method of perception. (The things we perceive are the way in which we perceive rather than actual things.)

There are no real 'laws' that are followed. Just the perception of the Void, which you could say is the method of perceiving all things.

When we try to perceive the Void (which is beyond perception) it seems endless in time and space. In order to try to perceive something, we make sense of this endlessness and confusion and form a story (a logical narrative).
 Quoting: kekui


It's interesting. I have an elderly relative and she seems lost in space at times. She often is trying to figure out where she is and even which decade she is in.
 Quoting: Eductor

She would be focusing on other complexities and losing touch with this one. Dementia, I suppose it's called.

So, when a scientist discovers a pattern, her/his perspective just provided more narrative?
 Quoting: Eductor

Made it more relative to something, yes. (Made it more logical.)

The pattern isn't actually there, though. It just seems like it is because it relates to something. The more something relates the more real it seems.

We think the physical world is more real because we see physical things relating to other physical things.

And then we dream, and that becomes more real because we see dream things relating to other dream things.
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I believe this even though I don't really understand it. It's too easy to see perception change so easily (at times) so we have to be making it up.
 Quoting: Eductor

Exactly.

Something you've believed for 20 years is difficult to change because it relates to more stuff in your perception.

But something you've believed for only 20 minutes is easy to change because it doesn't really relate to much in your perception.

That the latter is easy to change tells you that the perception isn't real.

Now extend this beyond 'beliefs' to physical objects (that scientists know aren't really physical).

We knows this physical reality our entire lives and it relates to pretty much everything that we know. So it is difficult to change our perspective about it even though it is not real.
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I'm really looking forward to our upcoming event. I hope someone will fill in the last part about the breadmaker in Central America. After all, the event is starting, we might need to finish this last part.
 Quoting: Eductor

Yes, it should be interesting.

In a way, the last part is filled in all ready because it exists.

The question itself changes the parameters, even if it is unanswered.

Btw, Tony, I read your karma. I got some chuckles. Have you read the comments?

Stephen and Tuuuur, are you in? Who else is in?
 Quoting: Eductor


I don't see karma and lots of other things, as I've minimized the presentation of the page/forum down to its very basics. But I'll take your word for it :)
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Join us from now until November 19th under the Great Pyramid.

Simply imagine this key: [link to i.imgur.com (secure)] in the center of any room

Feel free to enter at any time. All participants will be 'traveling through time' to a few hours on November 18.

We will be meeting with a well-known 'agent of Chaos' in a safe and casual environment.

Report your findings here!
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Moving A Mountain With Your Mind

What does it mean to 'move a mountain' with your mind?

Let's go back to The Matrix, when Neo and Morpheus are conversing about reality:

"What are you telling me, that I can dodge bullets?"

"I'm telling you that when you're ready, you won't have to"

It's cool to think that we can move mountains or levitate objects with our minds. But the reality is that such perceptions need to be very relative to what you are all ready perceiving.

With perspective, however, there is no need for a mountain to shift or object to levitate.

The mountain would simply be in a 'new' place, and it would have been in the new place all along.
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Exercise: Shifting Your Perspective

To begin learning how to shift your perspective, unfocus on something and change the focus to something else.

For example, let's say you want to see a dog in a tree. Stare at the tree until it becomes unfocused and you are not thinking of "tree" or observing its detail. In your unfocused vision it kinda looks like a tree but it could be anything. You're seeing more of the raw data before your perception focuses on the 'tree' aspects. As you unfocus, this perception becomes more flexible in your perspective. It becomes like static that is up to your interpretation.

Now, notice a dog is somewhere in/around the tree. You're noticing the dogness of the raw data. Allow the dogness of the tree some breathing room to interact and do whatever.

When you snap out of it, you've related the tree to the dog. You might find that dogs are suddenly attracted to the tree, a dog is actually in the tree (and was there all along), or the bark turns to a strange color, etc.

This works with people, too. You can stare at someone (between the eyes might work best) until you are unfocused on the details of their face. You can then see what their current thinking is more relative to. If their thoughts are about getting old their face might take on more geriatric features. (You're not really reading their mind, of course. You're just peering into that aspect in your perspective.)
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Exercise: The Hand Genius

In this exercise you will tokenize your hand to use as a bridge between your 'outer' reality and 'inner' reality.

With your fingers you will be manipulating the forces of perspective. But first, you can close your eyes and imagine that the first three fingers represent the following:

Index finger = Time & Order
Index + middle fingers = Being & Balance
Index + middle + ring fingers = Space & Chaos

By associating these fingers with different ways of manipulating perspective we can influence how we perceive something.

If I wanted to increase the way people respond emotionally to a photo in a room, for example, I would close my eyes and represent the photo and room in my imagination. I would then take the first three fingers (representing Chaos) of my hand - in my imagination - and tap the photo with it.

It should take about 1 week to associate your fingers with the different forces. It might be more effective for you to close your eyes and imagine the respective fingers changing a thing or an object in the direction you want. To remember to associate, just imagine that when you point at something you are increasing its Order aspect then you should be reminded to prime your hand for the other two forces.

It should be noted that any specific intentions you have will likely be ignored in this simple exercise. You cannot so easily encode your intentions in a simple hand gesture while you're physically conscious, but you should be able to influence how you perceive the reality of something.

Also, intentions must be indirect, not direct. This is because the energy you think you're transferring to it is already expressed in the act of the transfer. Think of this "intention loss" like the heat loss of a very inefficient light source. Rather than the energy being transmitted as you intended it is lost as heat.

If you're trying to manifest a jar of coins, for example, the jar of coins has already been manifested in your thoughts and finds a valid reality there. Instead, take a jar with two coins and imbue it with Chaos in your mind.
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Interesting enough to post. Start at 4:47


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Pretty sure the surprise is there. I'll have to investigate a bit further into the possibilities but I'll keep you posted.
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Stephen and Tuuuur, are you in? Who else is in?
 Quoting: Eductor


I guess I am:

(snip)

Everyone is accepting the invitation whether or not they realize it, as it all ready exists and will be 'folded' into other things that they perceive. And, of course, these other people are in your perspective ;)
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She is aware of what's really going on, so I doubt if she would be interested in doing that.

The "me too" thing was a psy-op to distract from far, far worse offenses.

There is a reason the founder of the 'movement' was himself accused of doing the very thing that he was seen to help. That was the plan all along.

The 6-6-6 are experts at taking advantage of the human mind's capacity for logical fallacies. As long as we are not conditioned on how to think reasonably, this would all ways happen. Even the list of commonly-accepted fallacies are themselves riddled with fallacies to keep you in the dark.

Imagine that a guy named Jacob went on a camping trip with two of his friends. Unbeknownst to them, he was planning to kill one of them. One night on the trip, he slipped the friend that he wasn't planning to kill a 'mickey'. He then killed the other friend and stuffed his body into a bag.

He drove the now-crazy friend out 20 miles, stripped him naked, and left him there with a supply of food and water. He also left the dead body with him.

He went back to his campsite and reported his friends missing to a ranger. A search ensued. Many locals blamed Jacob for killing his friends, which didn't faze Jacob.

After a week of searching, one of his friends was found with a stash of mind-altering drugs. The body bag was found nearby.

Jacob then entered into grief counselling and was supported by friends and family upon his return.

One of the purposes of the movement was to diminish the cornerstone of the modern legal system, due process. This attempt was made again with the Justice Kavanaugh debacle.

But the main purpose was to shift the conversation away from what was building up. (Something that would have completely destroyed Hollywood, among other things.)

They put on sideshows to distract you from the more important information.
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All this does is motivate me to do our exercise. I know this stuff goes on.
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How do you define yourself?
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Why would I do that?

I'm not sure what you mean.
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How do you see yourself? Does this clarify what I mean?
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It's only in regards to if he manages North Korea. Notice that now he doesn't need them any more, nothing is going on between them. Anyway, I agree, the media is powerful. It seems everywhere we look, we are being programmed.
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May I ask, what do you mean by the bolded, above?
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Now that he doesn't need N.K. and Russia, he doesn't attempt to work with them any more.

If you don't normally use the term, could you say that you began to use it when you heard the media use it to reference the way he speaks?

Could the word "rhetoric" be a talking point?
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Yes, but now that we have been talking about it and I see you using the word personna, I would probably use that because I know it is a word you use so it would communicate what I'm trying to say.


So, how much do you like the person (or CEO of the company) that made your favorite physical thing?
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From what I've read about him, I like him a lot.
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I still get hung up in how data is processed and turned into perception. But, I like these bullet points for some reason.
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Perhaps it's because you're thinking it must be done over time?
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Yes, I am seeing it this way.

Perspective is all 3 together at once, not just the first part.

Remember this video?

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Imagine that it is raw data, or Chaos.

Perception requires you to make patterns and break down the entropy of the raw data into information. You automatically make sense of it because that is what perception is.
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But these patterns are based on programming, something I've learned.


So, after a few minutes of staring at it you begin to see things that make sense.
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I do this with clouds, trees and even carpet whorls all the time.

But it also happened as soon as you perceived it because the "static" makes sense to you, also. This process happens along with perception because it is perception.

Perception isn't something that someone does. Perception and being are the same thing.
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Are you able to notice this within yourself?




A conscious Void would be called perspective.

The Void is nowhere. (And is not in our minds.)
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Oh boy! I'm lost and have to get off the internet. How convenient, lol! If the Void is nowhere, how come so many have experienced it?
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She would be focusing on other complexities and losing touch with this one. Dementia, I suppose it's called.
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Yes, this is how I see it.

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I believe this even though I don't really understand it. It's too easy to see perception change so easily (at times) so we have to be making it up.
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Exactly.

Something you've believed for 20 years is difficult to change because it relates to more stuff in your perception.

But something you've believed for only 20 minutes is easy to change because it doesn't really relate to much in your perception.

That the latter is easy to change tells you that the perception isn't real.

Now extend this beyond 'beliefs' to physical objects (that scientists know aren't really physical).

We knows this physical reality our entire lives and it relates to pretty much everything that we know. So it is difficult to change our perspective about it even though it is not real.
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Is there anything in your perspective you have found challenging to change?
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I'm really looking forward to our upcoming event. I hope someone will fill in the last part about the breadmaker in Central America. After all, the event is starting, we might need to finish this last part.
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Yes, it should be interesting.

In a way, the last part is filled in all ready because it exists.

The question itself changes the parameters, even if it is unanswered.
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OK, sounds good.


Btw, Tony, I read your karma. I got some chuckles. Have you read the comments?

Stephen and Tuuuur, are you in? Who else is in?
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I don't see karma and lots of other things, as I've minimized the presentation of the page/forum down to its very basics. But I'll take your word for it :)


My favorite of yours: Get off drugs and Chaol will go away.

LOL!