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Q Metaphysics: You Are That Which You Perceive // new paradigm on page 58

 
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Hey it's me. I still lurk from time to time, not really caught up but see you all posting a lot lately.

Chaol/Taol whatever you're calling yourself these days: the earth really is 3D though I can get the 2D idea in that maybe we're living in a simulated reality in some computer script (Bostrom's theory). To us however it is 3D.

That said, I get the "mind opening" exercise of considering we may actually be in a 2D world. To me this is just getting us to realize that there are many many more dimensions beyond 2D and 3D. As 3D beings we can't imagine much beyond the 4th.

I used to follow this blog and if you have the time to dive into the archives, it's really fascinating:

[link to imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.com]
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Hey, Version Two. Glad to see you post. hf It's Unit 3 here. I think that might be the name you would remember me by. Thanks for the link. Looks like I have some reading to do :)
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Nice to see you! How are things going with you?
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Did the ancients believe the Earth was flat because they expressed dimensions of reality differently than we do now? (e.g., 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D, etc)

Plato was said to have studied mysteries in Egypt. Was his Allegory of the Cave talking about a 2-dimensional Earth?



From Mashable, A history of flat Earth: [link to mashable.com (secure)]

Was Galileo part of the takeover of the church and other religions around the world by "agents of chaos"? Were they actually trying to hide what was common knowledge at the time?

"Flat Earth" not as in plane, but as in 2 dimensions
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Plato's allegory was talking about the dimensions beyond those we experience. Not the ones we do, like 2 and 3D.

Bostrom and the Matrix on the other hand... 0's and 1's... computer code.

Please don't suggest we should go back to dark ages. That's just ... well I don't want to call you a modern day agent of chaos, one with political reasons for doing what you do online.
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I have just discovered the most amazing thing. My mind is even more blown now!

But Maria (Chaol) has been leaving clues for us here and there.

Maria said that the flat Earth theory was a government psyop. It is a metafiction. Would anyone care to guess what this is? I'll confirm it again, but if this is the case this is probably the most amazing thing I've ever 'seen'

What the psy-op is: The Earth is flat
The possible reality: ___________________________

The chaotic forces in our perspective hide reality not by hiding it from you, but by mis-directing you. This way the 'flat earthers' are labelled as lunatics, and no one takes it seriously.

But it would appear to me that the reality is even more amazing than a 'flat earth' would be.

I think some of you might know what this is all ready.

I wasn't really looking for this, but I believe that this is the key (or part of the key) that we are looking for. The key, I think, uses both sound and light. I think the 'light' part is our imagination, but I'm not sure.

I think there are also some biblical and other creation myths dealing the "word of God" or the true nature of our reality:

The first shall be last and the last shall be first. (Mark 10 v31)

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

And this may also relate to the Garden of Eden (manifested as Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt in the Egyptian Book of the Living and the Dead)

I'm not yet sure if I interpreted it accurately, but if this is the case then a lot of other things make sense with a missing piece like this.
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I believe Seth mentioned this quite a few times: sound being used differently, sound being used for building in old Egypt, glyphs that somehow "stored" sound. It is a long time ago that I read it and I don't remember in what book this was mentioned. However I only own one Seth book so it could be that one: Seth speaks.
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Thanks for the reminder. I'll have to check it out.
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"the power densities of photon emissions during imagination as measured experimentally"

Imagination DOES emit light as measured experimentally by Persinger
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"Seth speaks" is a nice title for a book to remember, given your choice of renaming this thread :-)
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Yes ;)
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Hey it's me. I still lurk from time to time, not really caught up but see you all posting a lot lately.
 Quoting: VersionTwo

Hey, there. Nice to see you pop your head up! Hope life has been well :)

Chaol/Taol whatever you're calling yourself these days: the earth really is 3D though I can get the 2D idea in that maybe we're living in a simulated reality in some computer script (Bostrom's theory). To us however it is 3D.
 Quoting: VersionTwo

How can we resolve this, above?

1) "The Earth really is 3D"
2) "To us, however it is 3D"

Simulated reality? An interpretation of reality is simulated by default. No need for any computer :)

That said, I get the "mind opening" exercise of considering we may actually be in a 2D world. To me this is just getting us to realize that there are many many more dimensions beyond 2D and 3D. As 3D beings we can't imagine much beyond the 4th.

I used to follow this blog and if you have the time to dive into the archives, it's really fascinating:

[link to imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: VersionTwo


Good stuff! I'll check it out.
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yes, 2 dimensions not 3 is being researched.

it is also connected to the holographic universe theoretical models.
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Ohhh, how interesting! Thank you. I thought that didn't seem like you! :) Now I marvel at how you carried on...where the penny thing is, etc:. When you were a kid or teen, were you pretty good at talking your way out of things?
 Quoting: Eductor

I think I didn't really 'get into' things that needed getting out of :)
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Ohh, you're smarter than I was then. :)
 Quoting: Eductor

I'm sure we both have some interesting stories!
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In that experience I mentioned, each of us had a different tone and all tones sounded marvelous when I stepped into the tapestry.

I tried the experiment. I didn't notice a disruption but I could see the aura of my finger.
 Quoting: Eductor

Hmm.. maybe there's something to this kind of sound.
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Plato's allegory was talking about the dimensions beyond those we experience. Not the ones we do, like 2 and 3D.

Bostrom and the Matrix on the other hand... 0's and 1's... computer code. online.
 Quoting: VersionTwo

It is said that the Allegory of the Cave is about human perception and the philosopher's role in society, not about dimensions beyond what we experience

Plato claimed that knowledge gained through the senses is no more than opinion and that, in order to have real knowledge, we must gain it through philosophical reasoning. In the Allegory of the Cave, Plato distinguishes between people who mistake sensory knowledge for the truth and people who really do see the truth

Regardless, as an allegory it could represent anything.

Please don't suggest we should go back to dark ages. That's just ... well I don't want to call you a modern day agent of chaos, one with political reasons for doing what you do online.
 Quoting: VersionTwo

The 'dark ages' were a myth, but the Ancient Egyptians were before then, of course. There is ancient knowledge and structures that we cannot replicate, which suggests that their understanding was very different than ours.

If physical reality is actually two-dimensional, wouldn't thinking it's three-dimensional be considered "the dark ages"?

Just because the number is higher it doesn't mean it's more advanced, or true.

All complex come from more simple things. And we probably don't even understand what dimensions of reality really are, because we don't understand consciousness (and, thus, awareness).
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A little help from a friend...

[link to www.sapub.org]
 Quoting: TheBecomingest

Thanks :)

A Scribd link for the curious: [link to www.scribd.com (secure)]
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"the power densities of photon emissions during imagination as measured experimentally"

Imagination DOES emit light as measured experimentally by Persinger
 Quoting: TheBecomingest

A profound discovery, to be sure.

Nice summary.
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Interesting. 'We suggest these results support Bókkon's hypothesis that specific visual imagery is strongly correlated with ultraweak photon emission coupled to brain activity.'
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yes, 2 dimensions not 3 is being researched.

it is also connected to the holographic universe theoretical models.
 Quoting: Cosmologica

""Our universe, in contrast, is quite flat -- and on astronomic distances, it has positive curvature," explained Vienna researcher Daniel Grumiller."

Thanks for the link. It's nice to see this is being researched.

It is interesting that the assumption in the article is - that if the universe is two-dimensional - then it must be a hologram.

I think this could be answered with a geometry of relationships, with the geometry being expressed two-dimensionally and interpreted three-dimensionally.

Possibly, we perceive the relationships of the flat geometry in a 3 and 4-dimensional way (including time).
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yes, 2 dimensions not 3 is being researched.

it is also connected to the holographic universe theoretical models.
 Quoting: Cosmologica

""Our universe, in contrast, is quite flat -- and on astronomic distances, it has positive curvature," explained Vienna researcher Daniel Grumiller."

Thanks for the link. It's nice to see this is being researched.

It is interesting that the assumption in the article is - that if the universe is two-dimensional - then it must be a hologram.

I think this could be answered with a geometry of relationships, with the geometry being expressed two-dimensionally and interpreted three-dimensionally.

Possibly, we perceive the relationships of the flat geometry in a 3 and 4-dimensional way (including time).
 Quoting: Taol


I was surprised at the holographic and simulation mashup as well. Holographic universes are more exciting to write about than ones that resemble a sheet of paper I suppose.

I think about having 2 eyes or 3 eyes when I think about 2 and 3 and 4 dimensions - as a means of imagining how perception would work in that environment.

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yes, 2 dimensions not 3 is being researched.

it is also connected to the holographic universe theoretical models.
 Quoting: Cosmologica

""Our universe, in contrast, is quite flat -- and on astronomic distances, it has positive curvature," explained Vienna researcher Daniel Grumiller."

Thanks for the link. It's nice to see this is being researched.

It is interesting that the assumption in the article is - that if the universe is two-dimensional - then it must be a hologram.

I think this could be answered with a geometry of relationships, with the geometry being expressed two-dimensionally and interpreted three-dimensionally.

Possibly, we perceive the relationships of the flat geometry in a 3 and 4-dimensional way (including time).
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That would be my guess and we may do this to keep us entertained. In a way, how could our perception be anything but 1 dimensional with a 3 dimension interpretation? It keeps us very busy, eh?
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Nice to see you! How are things going with you?
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Good and getting better :) Thanks!

How are things going for you? The last time we had a PM, you had very exciting news. And, that was several years ago :)
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I think, counter-intuitively, it isn't natural to see. We resist it in order to keep the illusion (that we are separate) alive.

New challenges will present themselves once we get past this one. We will also learn to be comfortable with this expanded awareness, feeling secure.

We just have to make it interesting and illustrate the rewards of being able to see and use it, like the internet.
 Quoting: Taol

I think you are right. Comfort can be a huge anchor.

What are some of the challenges you foresee?
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Those that I see would be re-interpreted by the time we get there, most likely.

But there'd be something new under the sun, all ways.

Different kinds of good, different kinds of bad.

Change the past? Or just leave it? What would the affects be in re-organizing something you've experienced?

I, personally, am looking forward to this "Changing of the Guard." Feeling secure in this would be ideal.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

I think this would happen without it being realized that much.

I don't know that my thought has entertained these questions.

Just curious.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars



Questions are why we exist.

Thank you for asking :)
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Isn’t the past constantly changing as our interpretation changes?

How do you just leave it?

I’m not prepared to answer that question, I think. I’m not sure we have the language to describe it.
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Interesting. 'We suggest these results support Bókkon's hypothesis that specific visual imagery is strongly correlated with ultraweak photon emission coupled to brain activity.'
 Quoting: Taol




In the article it notes that this emission is only from the Right Hemisphere.

Interesting...
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I was surprised at the holographic and simulation mashup as well.
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Yes, but I think that's inching very close to a view that the universe is a simulation in some kind of computer that exists outside of ourselves.

The 'computer' would be our own perspective. But even comparing ourselves to computers gives the wrong idea.

I was surprised at the holographic and simulation mashup as well. Holographic universes are more exciting to write about than ones that resemble a sheet of paper I suppose.
 Quoting: Cosmologica

We tend to value something for its physical properties over its relationships.

But, interestingly enough, these are satisfied in quantum metaphysics with the geometry of relationships.

I think about having 2 eyes or 3 eyes when I think about 2 and 3 and 4 dimensions - as a means of imagining how perception would work in that environment.
 Quoting: Cosmologica

Interpretation of relationships :)

Any method could work, because any is an illusion. We just use whatever requires the least interactions which, for now, is our mind.

However it works, it surely is very different than how we think of it now. And the challenge would be letting go of many of the sciences we've manufactured and starting over.
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""Our universe, in contrast, is quite flat -- and on astronomic distances, it has positive curvature," explained Vienna researcher Daniel Grumiller."

Thanks for the link. It's nice to see this is being researched.

It is interesting that the assumption in the article is - that if the universe is two-dimensional - then it must be a hologram.

I think this could be answered with a geometry of relationships, with the geometry being expressed two-dimensionally and interpreted three-dimensionally.

Possibly, we perceive the relationships of the flat geometry in a 3 and 4-dimensional way (including time).
 Quoting: Taol

That would be my guess and we may do this to keep us entertained. In a way, how could our perception be anything but 1 dimensional with a 3 dimension interpretation? It keeps us very busy, eh?
 Quoting: Eductor

Yes, so that we may know Truth. So that we may know that we are what we seek.

(Though it's all ways beyond perception, so it's illustrated forever)

Perhaps the dimensions are something like this:

0th - God/Absolute/Beyond Perspective/Void/Etc

1st - Awareness (Primary Interaction; 'Big Bang')
2nd - Perspective (Primary Relationship)

3rd - Spatial Information (space, chaos, etc)
4th - Systemic Information (time, order, etc)

...with each dimension from 3rd coming from awareness and perspective alone (and not existing independently from them)
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Isn’t the past constantly changing as our interpretation changes?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Yes, but I think there's no 'noise' there, so it seems far more solid than does the future.

How do you just leave it?

I’m not prepared to answer that question, I think. I’m not sure we have the language to describe it.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

You mean, leave the past?

If it's all ways open to interpretation, we don't leave it at all.
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Isn’t the past constantly changing as our interpretation changes?
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Yes, but I think there's no 'noise' there, so it seems far more solid than does the future.

How do you just leave it?

I’m not prepared to answer that question, I think. I’m not sure we have the language to describe it.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

You mean, leave the past?

If it's all ways open to interpretation, we don't leave it at all.
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That was in response to your question, just leave it. Did I misinterpret it?

I agree. We don’t leave it at all.
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Interesting. 'We suggest these results support Bókkon's hypothesis that specific visual imagery is strongly correlated with ultraweak photon emission coupled to brain activity.'
 Quoting: Taol




In the article it notes that this emission is only from the Right Hemisphere.

Interesting...
 Quoting: TheBecomingest




Verrrrry interesting!
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""Our universe, in contrast, is quite flat -- and on astronomic distances, it has positive curvature," explained Vienna researcher Daniel Grumiller."

Thanks for the link. It's nice to see this is being researched.

It is interesting that the assumption in the article is - that if the universe is two-dimensional - then it must be a hologram.

I think this could be answered with a geometry of relationships, with the geometry being expressed two-dimensionally and interpreted three-dimensionally.

Possibly, we perceive the relationships of the flat geometry in a 3 and 4-dimensional way (including time).
 Quoting: Taol

That would be my guess and we may do this to keep us entertained. In a way, how could our perception be anything but 1 dimensional with a 3 dimension interpretation? It keeps us very busy, eh?
 Quoting: Eductor

Yes, so that we may know Truth. So that we may know that we are what we seek.

(Though it's all ways beyond perception, so it's illustrated forever)

Perhaps the dimensions are something like this:

0th - God/Absolute/Beyond Perspective/Void/Etc

1st - Awareness (Primary Interaction; 'Big Bang')
2nd - Perspective (Primary Relationship)

3rd - Spatial Information (space, chaos, etc)
4th - Systemic Information (time, order, etc)

...with each dimension from 3rd coming from awareness and perspective alone (and not existing independently from them)
 Quoting: Taol



Yes, that's what I've been chewing on for a while. Except, I hadn't given thought to 0th, 1st and 2nd. Thanks!
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The explanation for what I've been experiencing the past few days (regarding Earth, and the universe, being 2-dimensional) has been in front of me the whole time.

Quantum metaphysics' law of 5/2 (energy perspective) states that perspective doesn't need to use any more energy (interactions) than it needs to.

Everything is folded into your current perspective. Including the universe. This is at every level.

...so everything is folded into the solar system. Everything is folded again into the atmosphere. And so on.

Information is 2-dimensional, as it is made up of both Spatial information (Chaos) and Systemic information (Order).

We can then interpret it however we want. And so we interpret 2 dimensions not as 3 but as 4.

You could say, we are give 2 dimensions of Chaos and Order which we then interpret and Space and Time.

A three dimensional world would be a complete waste of interactions. There's no need to generate the back side of something you're looking at, for example. Or, as Maria/Chaol would say, there's no need for the bedrooms upstairs to exist when you're sitting in the living room.

Everything in the universe is folded into your current perspective. Your perceptions are two-dimensional because the the most efficient way for three and four dimensions to have reality is in your mind.

Maria has all ways said that the stars and everything else we see is as close as your perspective. The Sun rises first in your perspective.

But now I understand she meant this literally. What we think of as stars are not distant suns. They are extremely close, as is our Sun and everything else that we think is 'out there'.

You could say, "NASA has never been to space because I have never been to space." It becomes a logical narrative where nearly everything else in your perspective is 'fake' because there is no need for it to be fully-expressed. Wars are 'fake' because there is no need for them to be real in your perspective. It's a waste of energy for you to construct an actual battlefield that you don't experience. So, you make the illusion a logical narrative.

This logical narrative becomes something like this...

1) In World War II all the sides were actually working together
2) Because you didn't experience it directly. You don't need to
3) So this illusion is expressed in your reality as a fake war.
4) And everything that supports a 'fake World War II' scenario is produced in your mind, as well
5) But those things are also an illusion
6) and so on

We can be aware of this illusion while still interacting with them. And then we realize it's more entertainment so that we exist, rather than something very serious.
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