Q Metaphysics: You Are That Which You Perceive // new paradigm on page 58

-------update on Dec 2

Aside from our reality being 2-dimensional (not 4; below), the Earth is a binary, self-contained solar system: [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]

More than a solar system it appears to be a 'giant' organism undergoing the final stage of mitosis (cell division):



"As Above, So Below"

-------update on Dec 1

Here is what I have so far:

Part 1: [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
Part 2: [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]

The 'dreamworld', or 2nd dimension, in the middle is like pure information. Think of a brain synapse: [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]

with 1 Earth on either side. Each side interprets the information in similar ways (because the data's geometry is similar), though not the same ways. So when we dream of strange places we are not dreaming about the other Earth but different interpretations of the same info.

-------below from Nov 29

I have just discovered the most amazing thing. My mind is even more blown now!

But Maria (Chaol) has been leaving clues for us here and there.

Maria said that the flat Earth theory was a government psyop. It is a metafiction. Would anyone care to guess what this is? I'll confirm it again, but if this is the case this is probably the most amazing thing I've ever 'seen'

What the psy-op is: The Earth is flat
The possible reality: ___________________________

The chaotic forces in our perspective hide reality not by hiding it from you, but by mis-directing you. This way the 'flat earthers' are labelled as lunatics, and no one takes it seriously.

But it would appear to me that the reality is even more amazing than a 'flat earth' would be.

I think some of you might know what this is all ready.

I wasn't really looking for this, but I believe that this is the key (or part of the key) that we are looking for. The key, I think, uses both sound and light. I think the 'light' part is our imagination, but I'm not sure.

I think there are also some biblical and other creation myths dealing the "word of God" or the true nature of our reality:

The first shall be last and the last shall be first. (Mark 10 v31)

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

And this may also relate to the Garden of Eden (manifested as Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt in the Egyptian Book of the Living and the Dead)

I'm not yet sure if I interpreted it accurately, but if this is the case then a lot of other things make sense with a missing piece like this.

Last Edited by The Builder on 12/02/2018 10:47 AM

"As above, so below"

Möbius?

The Flat Earth thing really got me to step outside the box of my brain and more into the orbit of my mind. I outright dismissed it for years. Didn’t look at it. Thought it was ridiculous. Then as I began to really dive deep into my entrenched thoughts I had a realization. If I was so fixed in my ideas that I wasn’t even able to ‘entertain’ the thought, what am I saying to myself.

I stopped resisting. Listened to a podcast and thought, why not? Who knows? May be. Personally, I like to think about living on a sphere. The point is that I was flat out rejecting something I knew absolutely nothing about. Pun intended.

I’m glad I opened up, even if just a little, because looking back, being able to do so was a huge crossroad for me, personally.

Stay open!!!! ;8)

What the psy-op is: The Earth is flat
The possible reality: ___________________________


So my answer would be,

What if?

May be.

Who knows?

Does it matter any more?

There are all ways new things to discover, because there is no limit to our selves. That is because can never fully perceive ourselves, as our true self is beyond perspective.

More adventure awaits!


Exactly. We just have to think of the most basic reward that people can discover, and go from there.

I think I didn't really 'get into' things that needed getting out of :)

This seems like one of those 'final boss' doors after opening all the other doors which, looking back, seem smaller in comparison.

Or more like Pandora's Door.

Even the getting the key is blowing my mind open!

Just the general idea of them, which seem to be everywhere in different 'sizes'.


Yes, I think so.

Possibilities can easily be changed and folded or channelled into something else.

Yes. Each would be an updated/evolved interpretation. Often, I wouldn't remember what the last ones were.

The process I suppose you could say is 'AI' but the same way that maths would be, more of a tool in the mind.

Two meanings, the first of which I think only CatCarel would understand. In the other, someone whose ideas are isolated.

It's preferred, actually. It keeps other kinds of wars (from less well-intentioned characters) at bay.

Law #16 "Choose Your Chaos"

Those that I see would be re-interpreted by the time we get there, most likely.

But there'd be something new under the sun, all ways.

Different kinds of good, different kinds of bad.

One possible challenge might be deciding how much of reality you want to see, and what specific things you'd prefer to hide. Some things are naturally complicated so would remain hidden just because of all the noise involved (such as most of the future, before it is harmonized into the present moment).

Change the past? Or just leave it? What would the affects be in re-organizing something you've experienced?

Moreso, the difficulties in realizing that you are all of the things you don't like. Most would probably not think about it at all and focus more on one or two things, such as feeling that they are the clothes they wear or the light of the Sun, for example.


I think this would happen without it being realized that much. For example, the kinds and qualities of changes in our reality over the past few years.

The supernatural would become more ordinary, just as it is today. Then there would be a different level of 'supernatural' that we are able to imagine from our expanded ability to conceive of them.


Questions are why we exist.

Thank you for asking :)

Yes, and we have been able to do so successfully for a very long time because reality is so different than what we expect.

Otherwise it would have been easier to figure out. When we are heavily invested in a concept of who we are, we hold onto that for dear life!

When I was younger, for many years I would hear a sound, like a tone. It seemed to be coming from all around but focused above the bridge of my nose, a bit under where the 'third eye' supposedly is.

I think the sound is still there for me and is for everyone, but as we get older (or don't pay attention) we might stop hearing it.

The sound disappeared when I was about 8, but I didn't realize it had gone. Only when it re-appeared for a few years, a few years later did I remember that it was the same sound I used to hear when I was younger.

The funny thing is that I thought it was normal that everyone had this 'tone'. It seems a bit loud and very noticeable, actually, though pleasant. There wasn't a word for it and I didn't hear anyone else talk about it, so I kept it to myself. Eventually, when it disappeared again, I told a friend who suggested that I might have been hearing my own aura.

Now that I think about it in relation to the sound aspect of sound+light that I've been experiencing recently, it seems that we interpret the 'sound of the spheres' into our minds via this space above the bridge of our nose(!)

The so-called 'third eye', like an antennae.

When one puts a finger going horizontally in this area (hovering above your nose, but without touching your face) there seems to be a slight disruption. Putting the same finger behind your ear or some other place doesn't seem to have this affect.

Can anyone else try this?

Now I wonder if Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics carved in stone produce any affect when the words are pronounced correctly.

I get a strong sense for sound being heavily used in ancient Egypt, though I'm not sure how this would work.

There is one image of what looks like a large lightbulb that is being used for something: [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]

Perhaps filled with the same gas that might surround the Earth, and being used with sound?

Could it be that inside of a pyramid of other structure it might work like a kind of computer when certain sounds are intoned? Is this what was part of their 'secrets of the temples'?

Hmm...

I'm trying to wrap my head around this and get more info, but YES.

It seems to me the physical world is 2-dimensional, not 3-dimensional. We seem to have width, breadth, and height, but our perspective is flat, and a 3-dimensional picture of physical reality is formed in our brains.

So when you pick up an object it could be 2-dimensional but our brain shows us what looks like 3 dimensions.

It's difficult to interpret, because I simply haven't developed the internal language to process it yet.

This is the "Flatland" that Maria/Chaol referenced before.

That would make us flatlanders(!?).

"As above, so below"

Solar system? Said to be a flat disc. Galaxy? Flat disc. Atoms? Flat disc. We think of these things in 3-dimensions when they could actually be 2-dimensions.

There might possibly be "another Earth" on the other side of this Earth, but it's difficult to conceive if we are thinking in three dimensions. But in two dimensions it seems to make a lot of sense and explain things like quantum physics, perhaps.

First fiction: The Earth is round <---believe this
Metafiction: The Earth is flat <---if you don't believe the above, believe this
Reality???: The Earth exists in 2 dimensions <---just don't go here

Is this the reason why Antarctica is off limits and protected by several military vessels? Is this why Google Maps/Earth measurements seem to be very inaccurate under certain circumstances? Is this why NASA seems completely fake? Why stars aren't visible in space (take a look at photos "from" moon walks, the ISS, etc.)?

Is this why some people in the UK, West of Liverpool, report that they can see Dublin 150 miles away on a clear day, which would be physically impossible at their elevation? (Dublin would be about 2 miles under the horizon for them.)

A 'flat Earth' is still completely ridiculous for me, but if it is 'flat' because it only exists in 2 dimensions, then I think it is far more plausible.

Was Carl Sagan trying to tell us something with "Contact" and his explanation of Flatland?



"Think like a Vegan" (alien race), the protagonist in Contact was told. She was thinking of the schematics in 2 dimensions when she should have been thinking in 3 dimensions, to discover the secret.

Well, what if Carl Sagan was actually telling us to think in 2 dimensions instead of 3?

"Why build one when you can have two for twice the price?" the billionaire antagonist said of his machine, a duplicate of which was built in an other location. Was he alluding to "another dimension" on the other side of Earth (if we think of it in 3 dimensions)?

It would be crazy to think Maria/Chaol's "alternate universe" was on the other side of this one(!) But when you think that we are actually in 2 dimensions and Earth could be a 2-dimensional Möbius, it suddenly seems far more possible.

The funny thing is that there was actually a movie about such a thing called "Another Earth" (2011). Summary: "On the night of the discovery of a duplicate Earth in the Solar system, an ambitious young student and an accomplished composer cross paths in a tragic accident."

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Very interesting. Thank you. I'll look at it more in-depth. Seems to be some 'flat Earth' things there, too.

Which, again, sounds completely ridiculous if you think of the Earth in 3 physical dimensions and think of it as round like the moon, Sun, etc.

But since our perspective is flat, we can't see a sphere in its entirely. We see only one side. And our brain tells us that when we are holding a ball, for example, we are touching the back side also.

The brain is very tricky, me thinks.

Yes, I rejected the idea of a 'flat Earth' too. Until yesterday, when I saw that the Earth was actually 2 dimensions. Now it's probably the best explanation for it, without the right vocabulary to express it.

Sub-atomic particles don't seem to make sense in 3 dimensions of reality. But make sense in 2.

The quantum world doesn't seem to make sense in 3 dimensions of reality. But makes sense in 2.

Spacetime doesn't seem to make sense in 3 dimensions of reality. But makes sense in 2.

Sound seems more 2 dimensional than 3.

Light seems more 2 dimensional than 3.

If the things that make up physical reality are 2-dimensional and our brains interpret physical reality to be 3-dimensional, then it seems to make sense.

More exploration is needed, but I think this might lead to our key.

On a side note, I wonder why "crop circles" never seem to be 3 dimensional. Why always flat? If there is a message of some kind, could the message be that simple?

I believe Seth mentioned this quite a few times: sound being used differently, sound being used for building in old Egypt, glyphs that somehow "stored" sound. It is a long time ago that I read it and I don't remember in what book this was mentioned. However I only own one Seth book so it could be that one: Seth speaks.

"Seth speaks" is a nice title for a book to remember, given your choice of renaming this thread :-)

Flat as to DIRECTION IS 3 dimensional... and the word dimensional has nada to do with earth in the first place. Stupid needs to stop.

A dot is NOT one dimensional.. lets just go there... a dot has width .. .......see this bunch of dots.. they have width.. length and height...

a LINE is not 2nd dimensional and I knew that in grade school when they foisted that shit on us.

Hey it's me. I still lurk from time to time, not really caught up but see you all posting a lot lately.

Chaol/Taol whatever you're calling yourself these days: the earth really is 3D though I can get the 2D idea in that maybe we're living in a simulated reality in some computer script (Bostrom's theory). To us however it is 3D.

That said, I get the "mind opening" exercise of considering we may actually be in a 2D world. To me this is just getting us to realize that there are many many more dimensions beyond 2D and 3D. As 3D beings we can't imagine much beyond the 4th.

I used to follow this blog and if you have the time to dive into the archives, it's really fascinating:

[link to imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.com]

Did the ancients believe the Earth was flat because they expressed dimensions of reality differently than we do now? (e.g., 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D, etc)

Plato was said to have studied mysteries in Egypt. Was his Allegory of the Cave talking about a 2-dimensional Earth?



From Mashable, A history of flat Earth: [link to mashable.com (secure)]

Was Galileo part of the takeover of the church and other religions around the world by "agents of chaos"? Were they actually trying to hide what was common knowledge at the time?

"Flat Earth" not as in plane, but as in 2 dimensions

Ohh, you're smarter than I was then. :)

Good gosh! Your mind already seemed pretty open to me. I guess we'd better hold onto our seats. Sounds like we're going to take off!

In that experience I mentioned, each of us had a different tone and all tones sounded marvelous when I stepped into the tapestry.

I tried the experiment. I didn't notice a disruption but I could see the aura of my finger.

I bet they do.

Yes, the brain is tricky.

To me the Vedic view combines all: flat, sphere and Möbius.