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Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed down?

 
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Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed down?
"Behold, my brother Esau is a hairy man."

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If East Asians also have neanderthal ancestry, how come they have so little body hair on average?
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See Jung book -
On The Nature Of The Psyche

Development Vs Progression p43

Go read a book
You bloody ape

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If East Asians also have neanderthal ancestry, how come they have so little body hair on average?
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We don't know how hairy Neanderthals were.

Personally, I believe they were pretty furry after adapting to cold climates for hundreds of thousands of years.

Just a couple of genes switched on can have large systemic effects throughout the body.

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Re: Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed down?
See Jung book -
On The Nature Of The Psyche

Development Vs Progression p43

Go read a book
You bloody ape

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Can you sum up Jung's thoughts on Neanderthal in three sentences or less?
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Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed on?
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Nope. The difference between ancient man and neandertal were slight at best. I'm sure there were some remarks such as 'hrmm, that tribe seems rather hairy'.
Embrace the cognitive dissonance.
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Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed on?
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Nope. The difference between ancient man and neandertal were slight at best. I'm sure there were some remarks such as 'hrmm, that tribe seems rather hairy'.
 Quoting: Jungleboogie


I don't agree.

There has been a push in recent years to make Neanderthal seem like just another gentle race of people but this is tied in with current political correctness.

Have you seen a Neanderthal skeleton posed next to a modern human skeleton? They were so powerfully built. That ribcage! Massive! The skull! The eye sockets!

Who knows, they may have resembled gorillas more than us.

Maybe you're correct that with a shave and a suit they would blend right in, but I really don't think so.
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It is said that if you dressed up a nearthal in a hat and coat most people would walk right by him unaware that he was different.

A little short and stocky. A heavy brow and a wide nose. I know people like that.
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Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed on?
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Nope. The difference between ancient man and neandertal were slight at best. I'm sure there were some remarks such as 'hrmm, that tribe seems rather hairy'.
 Quoting: Jungleboogie


I don't agree.

There has been a push in recent years to make Neanderthal seem like just another gentle race of people but this is tied in with current political correctness.

Have you seen a Neanderthal skeleton posed next to a modern human skeleton? They were so powerfully built. That ribcage! Massive! The skull! The eye sockets!

Who knows, they may have resembled gorillas more than us.

Maybe you're correct that with a shave and a suit they would blend right in, but I really don't think so.
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Europeans were very hairy to begin with. The ancient Romans viewed them as absolute dirty savages. I would expect the Neanderthals would have blended right in. Especially since they were probably intermating.
Embrace the cognitive dissonance.
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Re: Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed down?
the french have the most neanderthal admixture on the planet. Even that is a very small amount of dna present
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Re: Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed down?
It is said that if you dressed up a nearthal in a hat and coat most people would walk right by him unaware that he was different.

A little short and stocky. A heavy brow and a wide nose. I know people like that.
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Some Neanderthals got to six feet in height and over.
Yes, we have a Neanderthal skeleton that is six feet tall.

And with a massive ribcage like that and bones so thick he would been a fucking brute who could tear Arnold Schwarzenegger limb from limb.
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the french have the most neanderthal admixture on the planet. Even that is a very small amount of dna present
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The French?
Link?
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If East Asians also have neanderthal ancestry, how come they have so little body hair on average?
 Quoting: LumpyDumDum


We don't know how hairy Neanderthals were.

Personally, I believe they were pretty furry after adapting to cold climates for hundreds of thousands of years.

Just a couple of genes switched on can have large systemic effects throughout the body.
 Quoting: SamReed


I have the Neanderthal marker (rs4849721) in my DNA that actually limits body hair.
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Re: Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed down?
If East Asians also have neanderthal ancestry, how come they have so little body hair on average?
 Quoting: LumpyDumDum


We don't know how hairy Neanderthals were.

Personally, I believe they were pretty furry after adapting to cold climates for hundreds of thousands of years.

Just a couple of genes switched on can have large systemic effects throughout the body.
 Quoting: SamReed


I have the Neanderthal marker (rs4849721) in my DNA that actually limits body hair.
 Quoting: Jon Titor


Yes, that silly back hair nonsense that 23 & Me gives you.

They could provide much more interesting information relating to Neanderthal but they won't.
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Re: Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed down?
If East Asians also have neanderthal ancestry, how come they have so little body hair on average?
 Quoting: LumpyDumDum


We don't know how hairy Neanderthals were.

Personally, I believe they were pretty furry after adapting to cold climates for hundreds of thousands of years.

Just a couple of genes switched on can have large systemic effects throughout the body.
 Quoting: SamReed


I have the Neanderthal marker (rs4849721) in my DNA that actually limits body hair.
 Quoting: Jon Titor


Yes, that silly back hair nonsense that 23 & Me gives you.

They could provide much more interesting information relating to Neanderthal but they won't.
 Quoting: SamReed


I have two markers for height, as well.
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Re: Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed down?
At the time of the great ice age when wooly mammoths were frozen in their tracks, green grass in their stomachs (they were temperate climate animals)they were flash frozen that even today their meat could be eaten. The people that survived this deep freeze began to migrate south for food and warmth. That is why there are so many caves with pictures of the animals they hunted. The caves actually could form a trail south in areas. They lived in caves because they were seeking warmth and they were on the move. The caveman BS is BS. Neanderthals is another fairy tale from the "there is no God" crowd. They had rickets, making them look rather twisted - nothing green to be seen most likely for years, it they survived the trip.
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We don't know how hairy Neanderthals were.

Personally, I believe they were pretty furry after adapting to cold climates for hundreds of thousands of years.

Just a couple of genes switched on can have large systemic effects throughout the body.
 Quoting: SamReed


I have the Neanderthal marker (rs4849721) in my DNA that actually limits body hair.
 Quoting: Jon Titor


Yes, that silly back hair nonsense that 23 & Me gives you.

They could provide much more interesting information relating to Neanderthal but they won't.
 Quoting: SamReed


I have two markers for height, as well.
 Quoting: Jon Titor


After 50,000 years it costs you about 1/10th of an inch in height.
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After 50,000 years it costs you about 1/10th of an inch in height.
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After 50,000 years it adds 7 inches to my height.
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At the time of the great ice age when wooly mammoths were frozen in their tracks, green grass in their stomachs (they were temperate climate animals)they were flash frozen that even today their meat could be eaten. The people that survived this deep freeze began to migrate south for food and warmth. That is why there are so many caves with pictures of the animals they hunted. The caves actually could form a trail south in areas. They lived in caves because they were seeking warmth and they were on the move. The caveman BS is BS. Neanderthals is another fairy tale from the "there is no God" crowd. They had rickets, making them look rather twisted - nothing green to be seen most likely for years, it they survived the trip.
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Ok, I don't believe one word of that.

There was no "flash freeze," ever. BS

Neanderthals roamed but they never "migrated" south escaping a flash freeze.

They took advantage of caves but they weren't "cavemen."
They had villages and built plenty of shelters outside of caves, even using mammoth bones.

And no, they didn't have rickets. The first Neanderthal skeleton really examined happened to be a male suffering from arthritis. That's what you're thinking of.
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Re: Which ancient legend references Neanderthal man? We coexisted for thousands of years. Is there any direct memory passed down?
"Behold, my brother Esau is a hairy man."

?
 Quoting: SamReed


Grendel in Beowulf.

Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Various myths describe wild people. Perhaps they were the last Neanderthals or Denisovans, or hybrids with modern humans.
"The turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement. Oh, the humanity!"
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"Behold, my brother Esau is a hairy man."

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 Quoting: SamReed


Grendel in Beowulf.

Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Various myths describe wild people. Perhaps they were the last Neanderthals or Denisovans, or hybrids with modern humans.
 Quoting: Turd Ferguson, Jr.


Maybe Enkidu but Grendel seems far too recent. Neanderthals were long gone for ages before the time of Beowulf.

The epic of Gilgamesh from oral legend might actually reach that far back, to touch that ancient memory.
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"Behold, my brother Esau is a hairy man."

?
 Quoting: SamReed


Grendel in Beowulf.

Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Various myths describe wild people. Perhaps they were the last Neanderthals or Denisovans, or hybrids with modern humans.
 Quoting: Turd Ferguson, Jr.


Maybe Enkidu but Grendel seems far too recent. Neanderthals were long gone for ages before the time of Beowulf.

The epic of Gilgamesh from oral legend might actually reach that far back, to touch that ancient memory.
 Quoting: SamReed


Yeah, Grendel is a stretch, but if Neanderthals did persist into historical times anywhere I think northern Scandinavia would be a good place, isolated as it was from modern humans, their technology, and their diseases. Siberia would be another good place to look.

As for when Neanderthals really went extinct, we can't be sure. Extinction generally doesn't happen overnight. I think it's very plausible that some isolated groups survived well into the agricultural era. Just because we haven't found the evidence doesn't mean the evidence isn't there to be found.

But I think it's even more plausible that tribes existed into the agricultural era who were hybrids with much more Neanderthal DNA than we currently have, giving them a very distinct look. They may have been exterminated by war or absorbed into modern populations.

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"Behold, my brother Esau is a hairy man."

?
 Quoting: SamReed


Grendel in Beowulf.

Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Various myths describe wild people. Perhaps they were the last Neanderthals or Denisovans, or hybrids with modern humans.
 Quoting: Turd Ferguson, Jr.


Maybe Enkidu but Grendel seems far too recent. Neanderthals were long gone for ages before the time of Beowulf.

The epic of Gilgamesh from oral legend might actually reach that far back, to touch that ancient memory.
 Quoting: SamReed


Yeah, Grendel is a stretch, but if Neanderthals did persist into historical times anywhere I think northern Scandinavia would be a good place, isolated as it was from modern humans, their technology, and their diseases. Siberia would be another good place to look.

As for when Neanderthals really went extinct, we can't be sure. Extinction generally doesn't happen overnight. I think it's very plausible that some isolated groups survived well into the agricultural era. Just because we haven't found the evidence doesn't mean the evidence isn't there to be found.

But I think it's even more plausible that tribes existed into the agricultural era who were hybrids with much more Neanderthal DNA than we currently have, giving them a very distinct look. They may have been exterminated by war or absorbed into modern populations.
 Quoting: Turd Ferguson, Jr.


I read a little about a British writer that has a high level (5%) Neanderthal heritage. His mother's genome is a mystery to the geneticists. A European population that has never been recognized.
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Grendel in Beowulf.

Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Various myths describe wild people. Perhaps they were the last Neanderthals or Denisovans, or hybrids with modern humans.
 Quoting: Turd Ferguson, Jr.


Maybe Enkidu but Grendel seems far too recent. Neanderthals were long gone for ages before the time of Beowulf.

The epic of Gilgamesh from oral legend might actually reach that far back, to touch that ancient memory.
 Quoting: SamReed


Yeah, Grendel is a stretch, but if Neanderthals did persist into historical times anywhere I think northern Scandinavia would be a good place, isolated as it was from modern humans, their technology, and their diseases. Siberia would be another good place to look.

As for when Neanderthals really went extinct, we can't be sure. Extinction generally doesn't happen overnight. I think it's very plausible that some isolated groups survived well into the agricultural era. Just because we haven't found the evidence doesn't mean the evidence isn't there to be found.

But I think it's even more plausible that tribes existed into the agricultural era who were hybrids with much more Neanderthal DNA than we currently have, giving them a very distinct look. They may have been exterminated by war or absorbed into modern populations.
 Quoting: Turd Ferguson, Jr.


I read a little about a British writer that has a high level (5%) Neanderthal heritage. His mother's genome is a mystery to the geneticists. A European population that has never been recognized.
 Quoting: Jon Titor


Very good point. It is thought by most that Wooly Mammoths died out at the end of the last ice age 10,000 BC but they actually persisted on the Aleuts until 3,000 BC, surprisingly. That supports the 'hunted to extinction' theory IMO.
Embrace the cognitive dissonance.
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See Jung book -
On The Nature Of The Psyche

Development Vs Progression p43

Go read a book
You bloody ape

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Can you sum up Jung's thoughts on Neanderthal in three sentences or less?
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"The first achievement wrested by primitive man from instinctual energy
Through analogy building
Is magic" p.54



"The transformation of instinctual energy
Is achieved by it's canalization
Into an analogue of the object of instinct" p.49

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At the time of the great ice age when wooly mammoths were frozen in their tracks, green grass in their stomachs (they were temperate climate animals)they were flash frozen that even today their meat could be eaten. The people that survived this deep freeze began to migrate south for food and warmth. That is why there are so many caves with pictures of the animals they hunted. The caves actually could form a trail south in areas. They lived in caves because they were seeking warmth and they were on the move. The caveman BS is BS. Neanderthals is another fairy tale from the "there is no God" crowd. They had rickets, making them look rather twisted - nothing green to be seen most likely for years, it they survived the trip.
 Quoting: Ohwow!


Ok, I don't believe one word of that.

There was no "flash freeze," ever. BS

Neanderthals roamed but they never "migrated" south escaping a flash freeze.

They took advantage of caves but they weren't "cavemen."
They had villages and built plenty of shelters outside of caves, even using mammoth bones.

And no, they didn't have rickets. The first Neanderthal skeleton really examined happened to be a male suffering from arthritis. That's what you're thinking of.
 Quoting: SamReed

Science proves you wrong. See frozen wooly mammoth meat fit to eat this day - flash frozen, not rotted. I didn't say the wooly mammoth migrated, obviously they were located at ground zero.
The so called cave men migrated as the ice age spread out. Whatever. You call it arthritis, I read rickets, makes sense, no fkng green food or fruits found.
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