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Dr. Astro nailed it. No 15 Km. monster Asteroid dubbed Gog to hit Earth on August 29, 2027, Spanish writer proven full of Sh*t.

 
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One of the final paragraphs of the book:

"On Tuesday, January 5, 2027, the news programs opened their informations with a spectacular news: «A comet is approaching the Earth ... It is the new star of Belen".
That evening, Stare and Yuri left the cabin, in the vicinity of the Dantayaco ravine, and they looked out at the sky.
And they shuddered ...
Gog had arrived. It was already visible to the naked eye.
The solar wind tousled him and a long red and blue hair covered part of the firmament.
The Korean, scared, hugged her friend and lamented between sobs:
- Eight months! ... Eight months to go!
Stare consoled her:
-Yes, eight months for the great tribulation ... But afterwards He will come, Jesus from Nazareth…
A blue butterfly emerged from the sprayed water curtain of the Charco del Indio waterfall and, after hovering around the women, went to settle in the black hair of the mestiza."

The context of this scene is that the two Astrophycisist that scaped alive after knowing about Gog, went to live in the Colombian Amazonas as a safe place, and waited there for 9 years hidden from the US intelligence agencies, and hoping this to be a place where they could survive the impact of Gog.
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Calling Dr. Astro.

Can an object that is currently at 150 AU travel at around 95 Km./Second to impact Earth on August 29 2027?
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Hmmm

Thanks for sharing
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Hmmm

Thanks for sharing
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Thanks for your bump.As the author says this information is so important that one might as well better discard it all as fake, but is darn hard to forget once you have been exposed to it.
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I've been making random fact checking on the book details, as far as I have time to.

Of course they don't mean much, as anyone could have found these things online so they don't prove or disprove anything other than that JJ Benitez, a prolific writer, is quite creative at the moment of selecting tidbits to create the plot of his books.

As JJ Benitez admited himself in at the end of the book stating that he introduced on purpose 17 "mistakes" (probably better understood as "red herrings")in order to lower the credibility of his tale, these facts that check with reality serve to better understand the background against which the book was wrote.

One of the Astronomical instruments that is named in the book is mentioned to be at Cerro Tololo Chilean Observatory, where the main character Stare works. This is called the "Dark Energy Camera", and is with this instrument that Stare verifies the coordinates of Gog given to her by Kurt Birke.

In Real Life, the Cerro Tololo observatory indeed has an instrument that is called Dark Energy Camera (acronym DECam), which is coupled to a 4 meter diameter telescope, and is extremely sensitive to infrared light, so it's able to detect objects that are very far and emit or reflect scant radiation.

It is also perfectly usable for detection of asteroids, and very powerfull at that, too, albeit it was not build for that, but for the search of the mythical dark energy.

[link to www.symmetrymagazine.org (secure)]
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Thanks for the one star, whoever it was. I am genuinely concerned with this stuff.

It's a pitty all the information is in Spanish. I will get the book and put the astronomical information here to see if Astromut can cast some light on it.
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The Bible describes a mountain of fire coming from the sky. It's going to happen, so I take all of these predictions seriously.
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Well, in the book the name GOG is chosen precisely because of the Bible. I really don't know what to make of this.
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"wars and rumors of wars" "no one knows but the father" ...certainly not some spanish ass hat.
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Thanks for the one star, whoever it was. I am genuinely concerned with this stuff.

It's a pitty all the information is in Spanish. I will get the book and put the astronomical information here to see if Astromut can cast some light on it.
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The Bible describes a mountain of fire coming from the sky. It's going to happen, so I take all of these predictions seriously.
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Well, in the book the name GOG is chosen precisely because of the Bible. I really don't know what to make of this.
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"wars and rumors of wars" "no one knows but the father" ...certainly not some spanish ass hat.
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Well, perhaps you are oblivious to the fact that JJ Benítez has written extensively about the life of Jesus of Nazareth as allegedly witnessed by two American Astronauts that were part of the Secret Time Travel Program Called "Trojan Horse", about which JJ Benitez, who claims he received the documents from one of the chrononauts himself, published 12 books so far. In these books, Allegedly, Jesus himself told the American USAF Major that he was going to return "After the big rock".
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I'm asking for Dr. Astro's input, specially in the astronomical claims of the book, specially the claim of Gog Being at 150 AU, having a speed of 95 Km/s, being a very dark object that reflects only a 4% of the light it receives, and that it was spotted at these sky coordinates:

Right Ascencion: 21 h 42' 34"
Declination: 58º 44' 12"
Constellation: CEPHEUS.

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The ultra secret time travelling USAF led "operation trojan horse" used the technology to research the life of Jesus of Nazareth. This is the premise of all JJ Benitez Trojan Horse books, Trojan Horse 1 to 9, and later the "Day of the Lightning" which is the story of Major "Jason" after his time travelling missions ended, 1973. In that book is the first hint of what later would become the main plot of "GOG, the countdown begins". After reviewing quickly both Operation Trojan Horse 9 and the day of the Lightning, I realize that Benitez suggests that was the same major "Jason" who delivered the knowledge of Gog to the character "Kurt Birke".

The time travel was aboard a ship that for all intent and purposes can be assimilated to an Apollo landing module, with a crew of two. One of the crew was to remain at all times in the module and the other was the on foot operative that would interact with Jesus joining him in his everyday life and travels.

Benitez alleges that this major was profoundly changed by his interaction with Jesus, and that is what prompted him to write his journal of the time travel expeditions, then to hide these journals in several places, and later contact Benitez as an investigative journalist to entice him to discover the journals, which then became each of the 11 books of the series.
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Time travelling to see Jesus? I don't know...can't see that as the military's first choice lol but who knows...

As for Astro, he only jumps on complete junk threads to nip it in the bud. The fact he hasn't been in here to critique....could spell DOOOOOOOOM!
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I'm asking for Dr. Astro's input, specially in the astronomical claims of the book, specially the claim of Gog Being at 150 AU, having a speed of 95 Km/s, being a very dark object that reflects only a 4% of the light it receives, and that it was spotted at these sky coordinates:

Right Ascencion: 21 h 42' 34"
Declination: 58º 44' 12"
Constellation: CEPHEUS.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Well that's a pretty silly object. It would make Oumuamua look like a slow poke by comparison. At 150 AU a velocity of 95 km/s is about 27.6 times faster than solar escape velocity. Oumuamua currently has a sun-relative velocity of only about 30 km/s and it's only about 8.7 AU away from the sun right now ( [link to theskylive.com (secure)] ). At such an incredible velocity it would cover that 150 AU distance in just a matter of a few years. If the sun's gravity were treated as negligible for such an object, it would mean that it would be at a distance of 150 AU no earlier than about 2020 if my math is right. If the sun's gravity is included it would be at 150 AU slightly later than that in order to hit earth in August 2027. Our current detection systems for finding asteroids are generally limited to about magnitude 21 or so at best (for example, see asteroid 2018 VX1, passed earth this weekend discovered at magnitude 21 and was also observed by Cerro Tololo [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net (secure)] ). At a distance of 150 AU, an asteroid with an apparent magnitude of 21 would have an absolute magnitude H of -0.77 by my calculations. If the reflectivity (albedo) is 4% we can solve for the diameter.

Diameter = (1329/Sqrt(albedo))*10^(-0.2*H)

In this case that equals a diameter of 9,473 km. That's not an asteroid, nor is it a comet, it's a planet midway between the size of Mars and Earth.

*I now see you mention it was magnitude 19.5 at discovery at the coordinates you mentioned? That makes the claim even more ridiculous. So I was being too generous by assuming it to be as dim as magnitude 21. So now the absolute magnitude H becomes -2.3 and the diameter becomes 19,164 km. It's now 50% wider than earth itself. I can command an iTelescope to image those coordinates down to that magnitude if you want, but I promise it will just be a waste of my money. The author claims this is real? His handwaving about deliberately adding "mistakes" sounds like a cover his ass excuse to keep claiming it's real every time an inconsistency or absurdity of his story is pointed out.

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Spanish author Juan José Benitez Wrote a "novel" where he talks about the asteroid named Gog which is due for impact on Earth in August 29, 2027 being of 15 km of diameter.

I had heard the date, had not paid much attention ("yet another apocalypse date to come and go") but today I came across the book at a friend's place and found it to be unnervingly detailed to be just another prank.
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kitty Come back in 2027, until then it's in a long line and no ways near the front.
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Other things I have found out after trying to figure out where did JJ Benitez came up with the date of August 29th,2027 as the date of impact of asteroid Gog:

- In "Operation Trojan Horse 9", is talked about a frequency signal that Earth emits in one of 12 "portals". This frequency when decoded is a constant string of numbers 29082027. This frequency was found during the time travels to ancient Galilea and is allegedly still being broadcast.

- Perhaps as a ultra condensed summary of who Jesus of Nazareth was, according to the Operation Trojan Horse books, one can say Jesus is a Great Master send to Earth to teach us universal truths. But he is an interdimensional being (he sees time as a whole) and during his life he was constantly followed, perhaps protected and assisted also, by "craft" that were technologically way beyond our comprehension, and were impervous to the scanning instruments of the "time travel" ship. Jesus was perfectly aware of who the USAF major "Jason" was, and seemed glad of his presence. He acted as if he also had expected to meet with the USAF Astronauts/chrononauts.

-Benitez also suggests that the infinite post decimal figures of Pi are a code of sorts, and has also tried to "decode" it, he also seems to have found a way to get some useful predictions out of this alleged code, and the 29 / 08 / 2027 date is also encoded there.
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Time travelling to see Jesus? I don't know...can't see that as the military's first choice lol but who knows...

As for Astro, he only jumps on complete junk threads to nip it in the bud. The fact he hasn't been in here to critique....could spell DOOOOOOOOM!
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I know, the first book provides a whole rationale for doing so, but I can't remember the main point of it. Perhaps I'll dust off the books and find it to laugh about it.

And Dr. Astro's already showed up and killed the fun (just kidding) in one single blow. Kudos to him.
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I'm asking for Dr. Astro's input, specially in the astronomical claims of the book, specially the claim of Gog Being at 150 AU, having a speed of 95 Km/s, being a very dark object that reflects only a 4% of the light it receives, and that it was spotted at these sky coordinates:

Right Ascencion: 21 h 42' 34"
Declination: 58º 44' 12"
Constellation: CEPHEUS.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Well that's a pretty silly object. It would make Oumuamua look like a slow poke by comparison. At 150 AU a velocity of 95 km/s is about 27.6 times faster than solar escape velocity. Oumuamua currently has a sun-relative velocity of only about 30 km/s and it's only about 8.7 AU away from the sun right now ( [link to theskylive.com (secure)] ). At such an incredible velocity it would cover that 150 AU distance in just a matter of a few years. If the sun's gravity were treated as negligible for such an object, it would mean that it would be at a distance of 150 AU no earlier than about 2020 if my math is right. If the sun's gravity is included it would be at 150 AU slightly later than that in order to hit earth in August 2027. Our current detection systems for finding asteroids are generally limited to about magnitude 21 or so at best (for example, see asteroid 2018 VX1, passed earth this weekend discovered at magnitude 21 and was also observed by Cerro Tololo [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net (secure)] ). At a distance of 150 AU, an asteroid with an apparent magnitude of 21 would have an absolute magnitude H of -0.77 by my calculations. If the reflectivity (albedo) is 4% we can solve for the diameter.

Diameter = (1329/Sqrt(albedo))*10^(-0.2*H)

In this case that equals a diameter of 9,473 km. That's not an asteroid, nor is it a comet, it's a planet midway between the size of Mars and Earth.

*I now see you mention it was magnitude 19.5 at discovery at the coordinates you mentioned? That makes the claim even more ridiculous. So I was being too generous by assuming it to be as dim as magnitude 21. So now the absolute magnitude H becomes -2.3 and the diameter becomes 19,164 km. It's now 50% wider than earth itself. I can command an iTelescope to image those coordinates down to that magnitude if you want, but I promise it will just be a waste of my money. The author claims this is real? His handwaving about deliberately adding "mistakes" sounds like a cover his ass excuse to keep claiming it's real every time an inconsistency or absurdity of his story is pointed out.
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Well, thanks for killing all the fun!!! (Just Kidding). I really appreciate your input. I was sure that so bold claims were probably hollow, and also that Benitez had given himself too much wiggle room with his "17 purposeful errors included to detract of the credibility of the book.

So, now I see the claims about the size, magnitude, speed and distance of the alleged asteroid are incompatible with truth. Will be very fun to go onto the book forums and casually droping these, with all due credit. Is a shame that Benitez's books are not more popular in the Anglo Parlant World, they are as entertaining as outlandish.
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Spanish author Juan José Benitez Wrote a "novel" where he talks about the asteroid named Gog which is due for impact on Earth in August 29, 2027 being of 15 km of diameter.

I had heard the date, had not paid much attention ("yet another apocalypse date to come and go") but today I came across the book at a friend's place and found it to be unnervingly detailed to be just another prank.
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kitty Come back in 2027, until then it's in a long line and no ways near the front.
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Is just 9 years in the future, and frankly I'm not all optimist we will ever get there, at least in good shape, and by we I mean current mankind as it stands.

But, as with all these bold claims, time will tell. The first people talking about the mayan World's end of 2012 were writing books already in the 1970's. So we will keep having these fun to watch future dates.
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The celestials are in charge under Michael of Nebadon and thus NO.. they can steer anything away from from our planet.
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Anyway, at some point in these books, it is said that this rock that might ever hit Earth is on purpose, and that Jesus will come back to Earth in one of his ships some 8 years after the impact, if it ever happens, so this one might not be intented to be deviated.
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I'm asking for Dr. Astro's input, specially in the astronomical claims of the book, specially the claim of Gog Being at 150 AU, having a speed of 95 Km/s, being a very dark object that reflects only a 4% of the light it receives, and that it was spotted at these sky coordinates:

Right Ascencion: 21 h 42' 34"
Declination: 58º 44' 12"
Constellation: CEPHEUS.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Well that's a pretty silly object. It would make Oumuamua look like a slow poke by comparison. At 150 AU a velocity of 95 km/s is about 27.6 times faster than solar escape velocity. Oumuamua currently has a sun-relative velocity of only about 30 km/s and it's only about 8.7 AU away from the sun right now ( [link to theskylive.com (secure)] ). At such an incredible velocity it would cover that 150 AU distance in just a matter of a few years. If the sun's gravity were treated as negligible for such an object, it would mean that it would be at a distance of 150 AU no earlier than about 2020 if my math is right. If the sun's gravity is included it would be at 150 AU slightly later than that in order to hit earth in August 2027. Our current detection systems for finding asteroids are generally limited to about magnitude 21 or so at best (for example, see asteroid 2018 VX1, passed earth this weekend discovered at magnitude 21 and was also observed by Cerro Tololo [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net (secure)] ). At a distance of 150 AU, an asteroid with an apparent magnitude of 21 would have an absolute magnitude H of -0.77 by my calculations. If the reflectivity (albedo) is 4% we can solve for the diameter.

Diameter = (1329/Sqrt(albedo))*10^(-0.2*H)

In this case that equals a diameter of 9,473 km. That's not an asteroid, nor is it a comet, it's a planet midway between the size of Mars and Earth.

*I now see you mention it was magnitude 19.5 at discovery at the coordinates you mentioned? That makes the claim even more ridiculous. So I was being too generous by assuming it to be as dim as magnitude 21. So now the absolute magnitude H becomes -2.3 and the diameter becomes 19,164 km. It's now 50% wider than earth itself. I can command an iTelescope to image those coordinates down to that magnitude if you want, but I promise it will just be a waste of my money. The author claims this is real? His handwaving about deliberately adding "mistakes" sounds like a cover his ass excuse to keep claiming it's real every time an inconsistency or absurdity of his story is pointed out.
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Sorry to insist in the matter, (not deplorable at all) Dr. Astromut, but when you talk about our better instruments you factored in that it was spotted allegedly by the DECam instrument? of cerro Tololo. Isn't this instrument ultra sensitive to deep red light?.

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I use to refer to Dr. Astro as Dr. Buzzkill. The world has completely gone nuts since, and I appreciate his sanity now.
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I'm asking for Dr. Astro's input, specially in the astronomical claims of the book, specially the claim of Gog Being at 150 AU, having a speed of 95 Km/s, being a very dark object that reflects only a 4% of the light it receives, and that it was spotted at these sky coordinates:

Right Ascencion: 21 h 42' 34"
Declination: 58º 44' 12"
Constellation: CEPHEUS.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Well that's a pretty silly object. It would make Oumuamua look like a slow poke by comparison. At 150 AU a velocity of 95 km/s is about 27.6 times faster than solar escape velocity. Oumuamua currently has a sun-relative velocity of only about 30 km/s and it's only about 8.7 AU away from the sun right now ( [link to theskylive.com (secure)] ). At such an incredible velocity it would cover that 150 AU distance in just a matter of a few years. If the sun's gravity were treated as negligible for such an object, it would mean that it would be at a distance of 150 AU no earlier than about 2020 if my math is right. If the sun's gravity is included it would be at 150 AU slightly later than that in order to hit earth in August 2027. Our current detection systems for finding asteroids are generally limited to about magnitude 21 or so at best (for example, see asteroid 2018 VX1, passed earth this weekend discovered at magnitude 21 and was also observed by Cerro Tololo [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net (secure)] ). At a distance of 150 AU, an asteroid with an apparent magnitude of 21 would have an absolute magnitude H of -0.77 by my calculations. If the reflectivity (albedo) is 4% we can solve for the diameter.

Diameter = (1329/Sqrt(albedo))*10^(-0.2*H)

In this case that equals a diameter of 9,473 km. That's not an asteroid, nor is it a comet, it's a planet midway between the size of Mars and Earth.

*I now see you mention it was magnitude 19.5 at discovery at the coordinates you mentioned? That makes the claim even more ridiculous. So I was being too generous by assuming it to be as dim as magnitude 21. So now the absolute magnitude H becomes -2.3 and the diameter becomes 19,164 km. It's now 50% wider than earth itself. I can command an iTelescope to image those coordinates down to that magnitude if you want, but I promise it will just be a waste of my money. The author claims this is real? His handwaving about deliberately adding "mistakes" sounds like a cover his ass excuse to keep claiming it's real every time an inconsistency or absurdity of his story is pointed out.
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Sorry to insist in the matter, (not deplorable at all) Dr. Astromut, but when you talk about our better instruments you factored in that it was spotted allegedly by the DECam instrument? of cerro Tololo. Isn't this instrument ultra sensitive to deep red light?.
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As mentioned in my example, Cerro Tololo was one of the first to spot that asteroid at magnitude 21. Upon further analysis though this doesn't even qualify as an asteroid or comet. It would be a full sized planet. And in any case the story apparently lists the magnitude at 19.5. That's even less generous than I was being. It would then require the object to be larger than the Earth itself. I've scheduled an observation tonight at those coordinates using a powerful telescope that can easily see down to that magnitude, just to put this to bed. It's going to cost me about $80 of observing time.
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As mentioned in my example, Cerro Tololo was one of the first to spot that asteroid at magnitude 21. Upon further analysis though this doesn't even qualify as an asteroid or comet. It would be a full sized planet. And in any case the story apparently lists the magnitude at 19.5. That's even less generous than I was being. It would then require the object to be larger than the Earth itself. I've scheduled an observation tonight at those coordinates using a powerful telescope that can easily see down to that magnitude, just to put this to bed. It's going to cost me about $80 of observing time.
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I'm asking for Dr. Astro's input, specially in the astronomical claims of the book, specially the claim of Gog Being at 150 AU, having a speed of 95 Km/s, being a very dark object that reflects only a 4% of the light it receives, and that it was spotted at these sky coordinates:

Right Ascencion: 21 h 42' 34"
Declination: 58º 44' 12"
Constellation: CEPHEUS.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Well that's a pretty silly object. It would make Oumuamua look like a slow poke by comparison. At 150 AU a velocity of 95 km/s is about 27.6 times faster than solar escape velocity. Oumuamua currently has a sun-relative velocity of only about 30 km/s and it's only about 8.7 AU away from the sun right now ( [link to theskylive.com (secure)] ). At such an incredible velocity it would cover that 150 AU distance in just a matter of a few years. If the sun's gravity were treated as negligible for such an object, it would mean that it would be at a distance of 150 AU no earlier than about 2020 if my math is right. If the sun's gravity is included it would be at 150 AU slightly later than that in order to hit earth in August 2027. Our current detection systems for finding asteroids are generally limited to about magnitude 21 or so at best (for example, see asteroid 2018 VX1, passed earth this weekend discovered at magnitude 21 and was also observed by Cerro Tololo [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net (secure)] ). At a distance of 150 AU, an asteroid with an apparent magnitude of 21 would have an absolute magnitude H of -0.77 by my calculations. If the reflectivity (albedo) is 4% we can solve for the diameter.

Diameter = (1329/Sqrt(albedo))*10^(-0.2*H)

In this case that equals a diameter of 9,473 km. That's not an asteroid, nor is it a comet, it's a planet midway between the size of Mars and Earth.

*I now see you mention it was magnitude 19.5 at discovery at the coordinates you mentioned? That makes the claim even more ridiculous. So I was being too generous by assuming it to be as dim as magnitude 21. So now the absolute magnitude H becomes -2.3 and the diameter becomes 19,164 km. It's now 50% wider than earth itself. I can command an iTelescope to image those coordinates down to that magnitude if you want, but I promise it will just be a waste of my money. The author claims this is real? His handwaving about deliberately adding "mistakes" sounds like a cover his ass excuse to keep claiming it's real every time an inconsistency or absurdity of his story is pointed out.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Sorry to insist in the matter, (not deplorable at all) Dr. Astromut, but when you talk about our better instruments you factored in that it was spotted allegedly by the DECam instrument? of cerro Tololo. Isn't this instrument ultra sensitive to deep red light?.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


As mentioned in my example, Cerro Tololo was one of the first to spot that asteroid at magnitude 21. Upon further analysis though this doesn't even qualify as an asteroid or comet. It would be a full sized planet. And in any case the story apparently lists the magnitude at 19.5. That's even less generous than I was being. It would then require the object to be larger than the Earth itself. I've scheduled an observation tonight at those coordinates using a powerful telescope that can easily see down to that magnitude, just to put this to bed. It's going to cost me about $80 of observing time.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Wow Dr.Astromut, I'm humbled, you don't really have to go to that lenght but I really appreciate your commitment to test a claim like that. I am forever grateful and I'm sureat least some of us GLPers will be paying all the attention to your results.
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Well that's a pretty silly object. It would make Oumuamua look like a slow poke by comparison. At 150 AU a velocity of 95 km/s is about 27.6 times faster than solar escape velocity. Oumuamua currently has a sun-relative velocity of only about 30 km/s and it's only about 8.7 AU away from the sun right now ( [link to theskylive.com (secure)] ). At such an incredible velocity it would cover that 150 AU distance in just a matter of a few years. If the sun's gravity were treated as negligible for such an object, it would mean that it would be at a distance of 150 AU no earlier than about 2020 if my math is right. If the sun's gravity is included it would be at 150 AU slightly later than that in order to hit earth in August 2027. Our current detection systems for finding asteroids are generally limited to about magnitude 21 or so at best (for example, see asteroid 2018 VX1, passed earth this weekend discovered at magnitude 21 and was also observed by Cerro Tololo [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net (secure)] ). At a distance of 150 AU, an asteroid with an apparent magnitude of 21 would have an absolute magnitude H of -0.77 by my calculations. If the reflectivity (albedo) is 4% we can solve for the diameter.

Diameter = (1329/Sqrt(albedo))*10^(-0.2*H)

In this case that equals a diameter of 9,473 km. That's not an asteroid, nor is it a comet, it's a planet midway between the size of Mars and Earth.

*I now see you mention it was magnitude 19.5 at discovery at the coordinates you mentioned? That makes the claim even more ridiculous. So I was being too generous by assuming it to be as dim as magnitude 21. So now the absolute magnitude H becomes -2.3 and the diameter becomes 19,164 km. It's now 50% wider than earth itself. I can command an iTelescope to image those coordinates down to that magnitude if you want, but I promise it will just be a waste of my money. The author claims this is real? His handwaving about deliberately adding "mistakes" sounds like a cover his ass excuse to keep claiming it's real every time an inconsistency or absurdity of his story is pointed out.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Sorry to insist in the matter, (not deplorable at all) Dr. Astromut, but when you talk about our better instruments you factored in that it was spotted allegedly by the DECam instrument? of cerro Tololo. Isn't this instrument ultra sensitive to deep red light?.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


As mentioned in my example, Cerro Tololo was one of the first to spot that asteroid at magnitude 21. Upon further analysis though this doesn't even qualify as an asteroid or comet. It would be a full sized planet. And in any case the story apparently lists the magnitude at 19.5. That's even less generous than I was being. It would then require the object to be larger than the Earth itself. I've scheduled an observation tonight at those coordinates using a powerful telescope that can easily see down to that magnitude, just to put this to bed. It's going to cost me about $80 of observing time.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Wow Dr.Astromut, I'm humbled, you don't really have to go to that lenght but I really appreciate your commitment to test a claim like that. I am forever grateful and I'm sureat least some of us GLPers will be paying all the attention to your results.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Here's the result, a comparison of the image I took last night using this telescope:
[link to support.itelescope.net]
...and a Palomar Sky Survey plate taken 25 years ago of the same coordinates.
[link to drive.google.com (secure)]
I detect a handful of high proper motion stars, but I don't see anything that jumps out to me as a planet in our solar system barreling towards at a velocity far above solar escape velocity. The Palomar plate was recorded in July 1993, and of course the image last night was in November, so there should be quite noticeable parallax for any solar system object, even if it's making a bee-line straight towards an impact with earth in 2027. Even at ~500 AU farther away where it would have been at that velocity 25 years ago, it would still be quite noticeable in the image, as in hundreds of pixels at the 0.81 arcsecond per pixel image scale of this telescope.

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Sorry to insist in the matter, (not deplorable at all) Dr. Astromut, but when you talk about our better instruments you factored in that it was spotted allegedly by the DECam instrument? of cerro Tololo. Isn't this instrument ultra sensitive to deep red light?.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


As mentioned in my example, Cerro Tololo was one of the first to spot that asteroid at magnitude 21. Upon further analysis though this doesn't even qualify as an asteroid or comet. It would be a full sized planet. And in any case the story apparently lists the magnitude at 19.5. That's even less generous than I was being. It would then require the object to be larger than the Earth itself. I've scheduled an observation tonight at those coordinates using a powerful telescope that can easily see down to that magnitude, just to put this to bed. It's going to cost me about $80 of observing time.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Wow Dr.Astromut, I'm humbled, you don't really have to go to that lenght but I really appreciate your commitment to test a claim like that. I am forever grateful and I'm sureat least some of us GLPers will be paying all the attention to your results.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Here's the result, a comparison of the image I took last night using this telescope:
[link to support.itelescope.net]
...and a Palomar Sky Survey plate taken 25 years ago of the same coordinates.
[link to drive.google.com (secure)]
I detect a handful of high proper motion stars, but I don't see anything that jumps out to me as a planet in our solar system barreling towards at a velocity far above solar escape velocity. The Palomar plate was recorded in July 1993, and of course the image last night was in November, so there should be quite noticeable parallax for any solar system object, even if it's making a bee-line straight towards an impact with earth in 2027. Even at ~500 AU farther away where it would have been at that velocity 25 years ago, it would still be quite noticeable in the image, as in hundreds of pixels at the 0.81 arcsecond per pixel image scale of this telescope.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Thanks for sharing your results here Dr. Astro!!! I see that nothing is really out of place there, albeit I think one has to have special software to detect the things that are different between both images, which at plain eye seem only to vary on the glare of the brightest stars.

But certainly no life threatening asteroids appear on this image AFAI can tell.
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As mentioned in my example, Cerro Tololo was one of the first to spot that asteroid at magnitude 21. Upon further analysis though this doesn't even qualify as an asteroid or comet. It would be a full sized planet. And in any case the story apparently lists the magnitude at 19.5. That's even less generous than I was being. It would then require the object to be larger than the Earth itself. I've scheduled an observation tonight at those coordinates using a powerful telescope that can easily see down to that magnitude, just to put this to bed. It's going to cost me about $80 of observing time.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Wow Dr.Astromut, I'm humbled, you don't really have to go to that lenght but I really appreciate your commitment to test a claim like that. I am forever grateful and I'm sureat least some of us GLPers will be paying all the attention to your results.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Here's the result, a comparison of the image I took last night using this telescope:
[link to support.itelescope.net]
...and a Palomar Sky Survey plate taken 25 years ago of the same coordinates.
[link to drive.google.com (secure)]
I detect a handful of high proper motion stars, but I don't see anything that jumps out to me as a planet in our solar system barreling towards at a velocity far above solar escape velocity. The Palomar plate was recorded in July 1993, and of course the image last night was in November, so there should be quite noticeable parallax for any solar system object, even if it's making a bee-line straight towards an impact with earth in 2027. Even at ~500 AU farther away where it would have been at that velocity 25 years ago, it would still be quite noticeable in the image, as in hundreds of pixels at the 0.81 arcsecond per pixel image scale of this telescope.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Thanks for sharing your results here Dr. Astro!!! I see that nothing is really out of place there, albeit I think one has to have special software to detect the things that are different between both images, which at plain eye seem only to vary on the glare of the brightest stars.

But certainly no life threatening asteroids appear on this image AFAI can tell.
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I analyzed them by overlaying them and subtracting one from the other. High proper motion stars then stand out as separated white and black spots while stationary stars just look black.
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Needless to say I'm going to be staring at this image for a good time. I can tell some small smudges like dark blotches that I assume are in the Palomar image from 1993 as I take this was a physical plate image that was scanned at High ress.

The newer image has some features that appear as "bubbles" when zoomed at max, but I take they are just artifacts of the compression and glare of the telescope.
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Needless to say I'm going to be staring at this image for a good time. I can tell some small smudges like dark blotches that I assume are in the Palomar image from 1993 as I take this was a physical plate image that was scanned at High ress.

The newer image has some features that appear as "bubbles" when zoomed at max, but I take they are just artifacts of the compression and glare of the telescope.
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The bubbles in the image from last night are just dust motes either on the CCD or the luminance filter.
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Wow Dr.Astromut, I'm humbled, you don't really have to go to that lenght but I really appreciate your commitment to test a claim like that. I am forever grateful and I'm sureat least some of us GLPers will be paying all the attention to your results.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Here's the result, a comparison of the image I took last night using this telescope:
[link to support.itelescope.net]
...and a Palomar Sky Survey plate taken 25 years ago of the same coordinates.
[link to drive.google.com (secure)]
I detect a handful of high proper motion stars, but I don't see anything that jumps out to me as a planet in our solar system barreling towards at a velocity far above solar escape velocity. The Palomar plate was recorded in July 1993, and of course the image last night was in November, so there should be quite noticeable parallax for any solar system object, even if it's making a bee-line straight towards an impact with earth in 2027. Even at ~500 AU farther away where it would have been at that velocity 25 years ago, it would still be quite noticeable in the image, as in hundreds of pixels at the 0.81 arcsecond per pixel image scale of this telescope.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Thanks for sharing your results here Dr. Astro!!! I see that nothing is really out of place there, albeit I think one has to have special software to detect the things that are different between both images, which at plain eye seem only to vary on the glare of the brightest stars.

But certainly no life threatening asteroids appear on this image AFAI can tell.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


I analyzed them by overlaying them and subtracting one from the other. High proper motion stars then stand out as separated white and black spots while stationary stars just look black.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


So in the new image those little specks of pixels that appear here or there as lines are markers?

Great!!!
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Here's the result, a comparison of the image I took last night using this telescope:
[link to support.itelescope.net]
...and a Palomar Sky Survey plate taken 25 years ago of the same coordinates.
[link to drive.google.com (secure)]
I detect a handful of high proper motion stars, but I don't see anything that jumps out to me as a planet in our solar system barreling towards at a velocity far above solar escape velocity. The Palomar plate was recorded in July 1993, and of course the image last night was in November, so there should be quite noticeable parallax for any solar system object, even if it's making a bee-line straight towards an impact with earth in 2027. Even at ~500 AU farther away where it would have been at that velocity 25 years ago, it would still be quite noticeable in the image, as in hundreds of pixels at the 0.81 arcsecond per pixel image scale of this telescope.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Thanks for sharing your results here Dr. Astro!!! I see that nothing is really out of place there, albeit I think one has to have special software to detect the things that are different between both images, which at plain eye seem only to vary on the glare of the brightest stars.

But certainly no life threatening asteroids appear on this image AFAI can tell.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


I analyzed them by overlaying them and subtracting one from the other. High proper motion stars then stand out as separated white and black spots while stationary stars just look black.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


So in the new image those little specks of pixels that appear here or there as lines are markers?

Great!!!
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Those are just hot pixels. Here are the two images overlaid in GIMP:
[link to drive.google.com (secure)]
Feel free to look through it to your heart's content.

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Thanks for sharing your results here Dr. Astro!!! I see that nothing is really out of place there, albeit I think one has to have special software to detect the things that are different between both images, which at plain eye seem only to vary on the glare of the brightest stars.

But certainly no life threatening asteroids appear on this image AFAI can tell.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


I analyzed them by overlaying them and subtracting one from the other. High proper motion stars then stand out as separated white and black spots while stationary stars just look black.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


So in the new image those little specks of pixels that appear here or there as lines are markers?

Great!!!
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


Those are just hot pixels. Here are the two images overlaid in GIMP:
[link to drive.google.com (secure)]
Feel free to look through it to your heart's content.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Oh, I see. I'vee been staring at it and the change of the overlay that is shown has some soothing/hipnotic effect. Is there a way to stop the animated effect?

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