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Paul's Epistles are not THUS SAITH THE LORD Bible verses

 
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tihs SHIT
 Quoting: Judethz


Exactly!! Jesuit antichrist lies!!

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Roman Catholics are modern day Pharisees! Full of traditions of men and not the will of the true "Father"

Go read your bible, actually no! Throw your bible in the trash and go get a KJV and repent and ask humbly for a real, living relationship with God through His Son, Jesus the messiah. Praise His Holy name, Amen.
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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!


Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!




AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!

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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!


Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!




AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!
 Quoting: Neenerner


And yes we are Saved by Grace. Unless of course you would like to remain under the law. Then good luck!
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LOVE fulfills the law Jesus love fulfills the LAW

Following Pauls epistles does not fulfill the law, but sets up more laws... church laws that help control and bind church people from obeying, and simply thinking about their image... and self righteousness.
 Quoting: Questquestion/Answer


Somebody does not know the difference between LAW and admonition.

Paul was Grace freak.. Don't know where you get this other stuff from.
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Forget the Ten Commandments
, they are a good basic LAW that the religionists and the Jews easily try to evade and get around....which is why Jesus barked at the scribes and pharisees (religionists).. with His CLASSIC...Thou hast heard it has been said.... BUT I (JESUS) say unto you... lecture... And then the Lords total destruction of hiliness doctrine in Mathew 23..

Only Jesus spirit and love allows anyone to fulfill the 10 Commandments... if it's done in the flesh its shallow and becomes self righteousness and hypocracy.

Jesus gets the credit for fulfllling the LAW, not us. Jesus gives the grace and love literally, spiritually and every other way.

The religionists love LAW as they think they fulfill the LAW, which they sau makes them righteous, and more righteous than others
 Quoting: Questquestion/Answer


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... oh dear ... FORGET THEM? ... WOW! ... they still are what is expected ... Yeshua covers us BUT FORGET THEM? ..
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Forget the Ten Commandments
, they are a good basic LAW that the religionists and the Jews easily try to evade and get around....which is why Jesus barked at the scribes and pharisees (religionists).. with His CLASSIC...Thou hast heard it has been said.... BUT I (JESUS) say unto you... lecture... And then the Lords total destruction of hiliness doctrine in Mathew 23..

Only Jesus spirit and love allows anyone to fulfill the 10 Commandments... if it's done in the flesh its shallow and becomes self righteousness and hypocracy.

Jesus gets the credit for fulfllling the LAW, not us. Jesus gives the grace and love literally, spiritually and every other way.

The religionists love LAW as they think they fulfill the LAW, which they sau makes them righteous, and more righteous than others
 Quoting: Questquestion/Answer


.
... oh dear ... FORGET THEM? ... WOW! ... they still are what is expected ... Yeshua covers us BUT FORGET THEM? ..
.

 Quoting: wisconsin


Jesus and Paul talked about consciousness beyond it but based on it.
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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!

Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!

AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!
 Quoting: Neenerner


I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
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Jesus Christ is omniscient (He knows everything) yet you come along and strongly imply that somehow Paul fooled Him? The real reason is that you have an agenda, and it sure ain't Christian.

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
 Quoting: Judethz


Really?

Jesus doesn't know when He is going to return.

And at some point, the Father gave Jesus "The Revelation" (Rev 1:1), so Jesus didn't know that PRIOR to receiving it.

hf
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kitty Alright one exception.
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LOVE fulfills the law Jesus love fulfills the LAW

Following Pauls epistles does not fulfill the law, but sets up more laws... church laws that help control and bind church people from obeying, and simply thinking about their image... and self righteousness.
 Quoting: Questquestion/Answer


Somebody does not know the difference between LAW and admonition.

Paul was Grace freak.. Don't know where you get this other stuff from.
 Quoting: Neenerner


Where does grace actually come from?

Forgiveness

What is the main act that needs to be done to receive forgiveness?

Repentence.

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance
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Grace has around long before saul.

Genesis 6:8, Genesis 19:19, Genesis 32:5, Genesis 33:8, Genesis 33:10, Genesis 33:15, Genesis 34:11, Genesis 39:4, Genesis 47:25, Genesis 47:29, Genesis 50:4, Exodus 33:12, Exodus 33:13, Exodus 33:16, Exodus 33:17, Exodus 34:9, Numbers 32:5, Judges 6:17, Ruth 2:2, Ruth 2:10, 1 Samuel 1:18, 1 Samuel 20:3, 1 Samuel 27:5, 2 Samuel 14:22, 2 Samuel 16:4, Ezra 9:8, Esther 2:17, Psalms 45:2, Psalms 84:11, Proverbs 1:9, Proverbs 3:22, Proverbs 3:34, Proverbs 4:9, Proverbs 22:11, Jeremiah 14:21, Jeremiah 31:2, Zechariah 4:7, Zechariah 12:10
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LOVE fulfills the law Jesus love fulfills the LAW

Following Pauls epistles does not fulfill the law, but sets up more laws... church laws that help control and bind church people from obeying, and simply thinking about their image... and self righteousness.
 Quoting: Questquestion/Answer


Somebody does not know the difference between LAW and admonition.

Paul was Grace freak.. Don't know where you get this other stuff from.
 Quoting: Neenerner


Where does grace actually come from?

Forgiveness

What is the main act that needs to be done to receive forgiveness?

Repentence.

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance
 Quoting: TheLordsServant



To receive grace you believe!
You repent Because you received grace.
Yes in that order. Ephesians 2:8
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Forget the Ten Commandments
, they are a good basic LAW that the religionists and the Jews easily try to evade and get around....which is why Jesus barked at the scribes and pharisees (religionists).. with His CLASSIC...Thou hast heard it has been said.... BUT I (JESUS) say unto you... lecture... And then the Lords total destruction of hiliness doctrine in Mathew 23..

Only Jesus spirit and love allows anyone to fulfill the 10 Commandments... if it's done in the flesh its shallow and becomes self righteousness and hypocracy.

Jesus gets the credit for fulfllling the LAW, not us. Jesus gives the grace and love literally, spiritually and every other way.

The religionists love LAW as they think they fulfill the LAW, which they sau makes them righteous, and more righteous than others
 Quoting: Questquestion/Answer


.
... oh dear ... FORGET THEM? ... WOW! ... they still are what is expected ... Yeshua covers us BUT FORGET THEM? ..
.

 Quoting: wisconsin


Jesus and Paul talked about consciousness beyond it but based on it.
 Quoting: ole


When did Jesus and Paul ever have a conversation?
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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!

Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!

AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!
 Quoting: Neenerner


I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant



Ate you denying that Pauls ministry was the gentiles? Look at the beginning of most of his letters.
Also Romans 15;16. Undeniable.

Jesus had to do for the church age. No grace until a after died. "It is finished.".

And most theolgian believe the church began at Christ death or at Pentecost.

The apostles ministry was the Juuuze.

Paul ministry's was specifically the gentiles.

Crystal clear in the OT.
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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!

Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!

AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!
 Quoting: Neenerner


I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant



Ate you denying that Pauls ministry was the gentiles? Look at the beginning of most of his letters.
Also Romans 15;16. Undeniable.

Jesus had to do for the church age. No grace until a after died. "It is finished.".

And most theolgian believe the church began at Christ death or at Pentecost.

The apostles ministry was the Juuuze.

Paul ministry's was specifically the gentiles.

Crystal clear in the OT.

 Quoting: Neenerner


But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts:9:15
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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!

Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!

AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!
 Quoting: Neenerner


I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant



Ate you denying that Pauls ministry was the gentiles? Look at the beginning of most of his letters.
Also Romans 15;16. Undeniable.

Jesus had to do for the church age. No grace until a after died. "It is finished.".

And most theolgian believe the church began at Christ death or at Pentecost.

The apostles ministry was the Juuuze.

Paul ministry's was specifically the gentiles.

Crystal clear in the OT.

 Quoting: Neenerner


But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts:9:15
 Quoting: Neenerner



Do a word search in it for gentiles. Paul address the hundreds of times the apostles a fraction of that.
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To help, readers of the Bible, who are not church oriented, to understand the confusion you get when reading Pauls writings when compared to reading Jesus words or the past PROPHETS WORDS.

The reason it doesnt mesh and doesnt match up together is that Paul waqs not speaking en cathedral, but on his own. This is why there are so many church apologetic writings, trying to make them conform when they dont. Paul's writings are worth reading, if you understand he is not speaking THUS SAITH THE LORD. And you have to understand, he loved hierarchical status, and levels of the priesthood, rather than direct communication with the Lord. This is why the church system took over from the early Christians who individually were responsible to the Lord and hearing from the Lord.

Paul disciples built the church system, and demanded allegiance to the local, regional and national hierarchy.... IE control over thoughts and actions of the flock.

Paul just couldnt get away from LAW and HOLINESS. He tried to write about Grace and LIBERATION but just couldnt be convinced
Jesus LOVE would be sufficient to keep and inspire and direct the followers, so established old law dictates, dress, sexuality or lack thereof. etc etc etc etc...

Paul was a great disciple in getting out of Jerusalem and getting out the Salvation message about Jesus, but fell short with His letters. He was quite the courageous missionary and feisty and brave, but his letters fell short of the MARK

Study Jesus words, and HIS Prophets words as the WORD, and yet for background you can read the rest.

IHS

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A good man and useful to Jesus for sure, but he don't pack the weight that Jesus does.

Good job op.
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Forget the Ten Commandments
, they are a good basic LAW that the religionists and the Jews easily try to evade and get around....which is why Jesus barked at the scribes and pharisees (religionists).. with His CLASSIC...Thou hast heard it has been said.... BUT I (JESUS) say unto you... lecture... And then the Lords total destruction of hiliness doctrine in Mathew 23..

Only Jesus spirit and love allows anyone to fulfill the 10 Commandments... if it's done in the flesh its shallow and becomes self righteousness and hypocracy.

Jesus gets the credit for fulfllling the LAW, not us. Jesus gives the grace and love literally, spiritually and every other way.

The religionists love LAW as they think they fulfill the LAW, which they sau makes them righteous, and more righteous than others
 Quoting: Questquestion/Answer


.
... oh dear ... FORGET THEM? ... WOW! ... they still are what is expected ... Yeshua covers us BUT FORGET THEM? ..
.

 Quoting: wisconsin


Jesus and Paul talked about consciousness beyond it but based on it.
 Quoting: ole


When did Jesus and Paul ever have a conversation?
 Quoting: janedoenut





Saul! Saul! Why are you persecuting me?!
Acts 9 4 - 6


Are you sure you read a bible before??
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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!

Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!

AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!
 Quoting: Neenerner


I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Ate you denying that Pauls ministry was the gentiles? Look at the beginning of most of his letters.
Also Romans 15;16. Undeniable.

Jesus had to do for the church age. No grace until a after died. "It is finished.".

And most theolgian believe the church began at Christ death or at Pentecost.

The apostles ministry was the Juuuze.

Paul ministry's was specifically the gentiles.

Crystal clear in the OT.
 Quoting: Neenerner


I "ate" denying anything tounge

"It is finished" is in reference to the MISSION that the Father had sent Jesus for!

As posted previously up above, grace actually given in the Old Testament times by the Father.

Jesus ALSO said...and this verse proves that ALL the Apostles were to go "among the nations". Not just Paul.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Where does grace actually come from?

Forgiveness

What is the main act that needs to be done to receive forgiveness?

Repentence.

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance
 Quoting: TheLordsServant

To receive grace you believe!
You repent Because you received grace.
Yes in that order. Ephesians 2:8
 Quoting: Neenerner


Nope.

Repenting comes before grace.

What did Peter tell the "throng" of people who asked him "what should we do"?

Acts 2

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus' very first teaching was to "repent".

Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1:15 And saying*, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe* the gospel.

The message of Jesus' ministry was so important that the Father had John the Baptist "rattle their cages" ahead of time to "pave the way" for Jesus' ministry.

The key teaching by John the Baptist?

Matthew 3:2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"

Jesus ALSO said...and this verse proves that ALL the Apostles were to go "among the nations". Not just Paul.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

(Repent in the KJV OT)

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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!

Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!

AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!
 Quoting: Neenerner


I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Ate you denying that Pauls ministry was the gentiles? Look at the beginning of most of his letters.
Also Romans 15;16. Undeniable.

Jesus had to do for the church age. No grace until a after died. "It is finished.".

And most theolgian believe the church began at Christ death or at Pentecost.

The apostles ministry was the Juuuze.

Paul ministry's was specifically the gentiles.

Crystal clear in the OT.
 Quoting: Neenerner


I "ate" denying anything tounge

"It is finished" is in reference to the MISSION that the Father had sent Jesus for!

As posted previously up above, grace actually given in the Old Testament times by the Father.

Jesus ALSO said...and this verse proves that ALL the Apostles were to go "among the nations". Not just Paul.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Where does grace actually come from?

Forgiveness

What is the main act that needs to be done to receive forgiveness?

Repentence.

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance
 Quoting: TheLordsServant

To receive grace you believe!
You repent Because you received grace.
Yes in that order. Ephesians 2:8
 Quoting: Neenerner


Nope.

Repenting comes before grace.

What did Peter tell the "throng" of people who asked him "what should we do"?

Acts 2

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus' very first teaching was to "repent".

Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1:15 And saying*, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe* the gospel.

The message of Jesus' ministry was so important that the Father had John the Baptist "rattle their cages" ahead of time to "pave the way" for Jesus' ministry.

The key teaching by John the Baptist?

Matthew 3:2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"

Jesus ALSO said...and this verse proves that ALL the Apostles were to go "among the nations". Not just Paul.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

(Repent in the KJV OT)

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 Quoting: TheLordsServant


That's my whole point! Paul's gospel differed because the had 2 different audiences.

Paul said:
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Romans:15:16



On the matter of grace through repentance....


Ephesians chapter 1. The minute you believe you are sealed.

As a sealed believer, it can't be undone.

Else you would have to get sealed again every time you repent.

A Saved sealed believer can not get unsaved.

That's works.

...not by works lest no man shod boast.

Hey I repented better than you so you suck! I don't think so. That's bragging

If you can brag about it, any act such as repentance, it is not A condition of salvation. It can't be.

When God saves somebody who or what do you think can undo the hand of God?

The only requirement is that you truly believe. Have a "saving" belief and are truly saved.

A truly save person delights himself in the laws of the Lord! And no matter how many times you fall, you are a till saved. God knows your sin before you do it. He knows your heart. All bbefore you are sealed.


Yes there are people that will argue other wise all day long. But if you read Ephesians and Romans a few times, out Dawn's on you that once you belong to God, nobody can take you away.

That's why it's called grace because it's free! And there is no way we deserve it.

The only other option is you remain under the law. And try to be good!

You can't even remember every sin you committed so how can you confess them all?

Or you can go tell God you repented and you dam well expect to be saved.

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I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


Ate you denying that Pauls ministry was the gentiles? Look at the beginning of most of his letters.
Also Romans 15;16. Undeniable.

Jesus had to do for the church age. No grace until a after died. "It is finished.".

And most theolgian believe the church began at Christ death or at Pentecost.

The apostles ministry was the Juuuze.

Paul ministry's was specifically the gentiles.

Crystal clear in the OT.
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I "ate" denying anything tounge

"It is finished" is in reference to the MISSION that the Father had sent Jesus for!

As posted previously up above, grace actually given in the Old Testament times by the Father.

Jesus ALSO said...and this verse proves that ALL the Apostles were to go "among the nations". Not just Paul.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Where does grace actually come from?

Forgiveness

What is the main act that needs to be done to receive forgiveness?

Repentence.

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance
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To receive grace you believe!
You repent Because you received grace.
Yes in that order. Ephesians 2:8
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Nope.

Repenting comes before grace.

What did Peter tell the "throng" of people who asked him "what should we do"?

Acts 2

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Jesus' very first teaching was to "repent".

Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1:15 And saying*, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe* the gospel.

The message of Jesus' ministry was so important that the Father had John the Baptist "rattle their cages" ahead of time to "pave the way" for Jesus' ministry.

The key teaching by John the Baptist?

Matthew 3:2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"

Jesus ALSO said...and this verse proves that ALL the Apostles were to go "among the nations". Not just Paul.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

(Repent in the KJV OT)

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That's my whole point! Paul's gospel differed because the had 2 different audiences.

Paul said:
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Romans:15:16



On the matter of grace through repentance....


Ephesians chapter 1. The minute you believe you are sealed.

As a sealed believer, it can't be undone.

Else you would have to get sealed again every time you repent.

A Saved sealed believer can not get unsaved.

That's works.

...not by works lest no man shod boast.

Hey I repented better than you so you suck! I don't think so. That's bragging

If you can brag about it, any act such as repentance, it is not A condition of salvation. It can't be.

When God saves somebody who or what do you think can undo the hand of God?

The only requirement is that you truly believe. Have a "saving" belief and are truly saved.

A truly save person delights himself in the laws of the Lord! And no matter how many times you fall, you are a till saved. God knows your sin before you do it. He knows your heart. All bbefore you are sealed.


Yes there are people that will argue other wise all day long. But if you read Ephesians and Romans a few times, out Dawn's on you that once you belong to God, nobody can take you away.

That's why it's called grace because it's free! And there is no way we deserve it.

The only other option is you remain under the law. And try to be good!

You can't even remember every sin you committed so how can you confess them all?

Or you can go tell God you repented and you dam well expect to be saved.
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So 2 Gospels. 1 to the gentiles and 1 to the Juuuze.
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And most theolgian believe the church began at Christ death or at Pentecost.
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I will suggest that you take everything that theologians says with a grain of salt.

They are the ones who teach pastors.

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OK I take yours over theirs!
Ha ha.

Do a word search for repent. After Acts it is only mentioned a couple of times until revelation.


Hope you receive the FREe gift of salvation. Believe and fully surrender. Wear your belief like a parachute Like you life depends on it. NOW God is responsible for the rest.

Then the Holy Spirit will help you repent. We can't even do it on our own.
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OK I take yours over theirs!
Ha ha.

Do a word search for repent. After Acts it is only mentioned a couple of times until revelation.


Hope you receive the FREe gift of salvation. Believe and fully surrender. Wear your belief like a parachute Like you life depends on it. NOW God is responsible for the rest.

Then the Holy Spirit will help you repent. We can't even do it on our own.
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Awesome video that explains the 2 gospel


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That's my whole point! Paul's gospel differed because the had 2 different audiences.

Paul said:
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Romans:15:16

On the matter of grace through repentance....

Ephesians chapter 1. The minute you believe you are sealed.

As a sealed believer, it can't be undone.

Else you would have to get sealed again every time you repent.

A Saved sealed believer can not get unsaved.

That's works.

...not by works lest no man shod boast.

Hey I repented better than you so you suck! I don't think so. That's bragging

If you can brag about it, any act such as repentance, it is not A condition of salvation. It can't be.

When God saves somebody who or what do you think can undo the hand of God?

The only requirement is that you truly believe. Have a "saving" belief and are truly saved.

A truly save person delights himself in the laws of the Lord! And no matter how many times you fall, you are a till saved. God knows your sin before you do it. He knows your heart. All bbefore you are sealed.

Yes there are people that will argue other wise all day long. But if you read Ephesians and Romans a few times, out Dawn's on you that once you belong to God, nobody can take you away.

That's why it's called grace because it's free! And there is no way we deserve it.

The only other option is you remain under the law. And try to be good!

You can't even remember every sin you committed so how can you confess them all?

Or you can go tell God you repented and you dam well expect to be saved.

So 2 Gospels. 1 to the gentiles and 1 to the Juuuze.
 Quoting: Neenerner


Nope. Sorry but you are wrong.

Repentence HAS to happen BEFORE grace is truly received.

You obviously didn't read these links about Paul & repentence. His letters were to churches already established. They are a poor reflction on what he taught in his initial "church plantings".

GO READ

Thread: To Understand Paul in the Bible - His Letters Don't Tell Us All of What He Originally Preached

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance

One last point.

"Once saved always saved" is not truly Biblical teaching.

Many folks overlook this in Revelation. It's Jesus' own words to John.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
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OK I take yours over theirs!
Ha ha.

Do a word search for repent. After Acts it is only mentioned a couple of times until revelation.

Hope you receive the FREe gift of salvation. Believe and fully surrender. Wear your belief like a parachute Like you life depends on it. NOW God is responsible for the rest.

Then the Holy Spirit will help you repent. We can't even do it on our own.
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Show me ONE "sinner's prayer" that doesn't mention "repent" / "I'm sorry".

1doh1

You looked for "repent" but didn't think to look for "repentance".

26 times, with 25 of them in the NT

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OK I take yours over theirs!
Ha ha.

Do a word search for repent. After Acts it is only mentioned a couple of times until revelation.


Hope you receive the FREe gift of salvation. Believe and fully surrender. Wear your belief like a parachute Like you life depends on it. NOW God is responsible for the rest.

Then the Holy Spirit will help you repent. We can't even do it on our own.
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Awesome video that explains the 2 gospel


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And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans:11:6



OK then make a list of every sin you ever made. Don't miss on because your life depends on it. Now confess and repent ever single one. Don't miss as any and make sure you fully repent each one.


Now tell Jesus you confessed and repented and you want what you are owed.

Grace can't be earned or its not grace! It works.

When I fall short like I did today really bad, I think how I am so not worthy to be saved. How could could God saves a piece of shit like me?!

By Grace through faith. Else I'm fucked. And so is everybody else!

Let me what you think about Scott Clark's video.

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The sinners prayer is made up. It's not even in the bible.

Mumbling words can't save you. Belief can.

Don't worry you'll get sooner or later.

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OK then make a list of every sin you ever made. Don't miss on because your life depends on it. Now confess and repent ever single one. Don't miss as any and make sure you fully repent each one.

Now tell Jesus you confessed and repented and you want what you are owed.

Grace can't be earned or its not grace! It works.

When I fall short like I did today really bad, I think how I am so not worthy to be saved. How could could God saves a piece of shit like me?!

By Grace through faith. Else I'm fucked.

Let me what you think about Scott Clark's video.
 Quoting: Neenerner


You fell short today?

Did you ask for forgiveness? That's what repenting is.

No offense, but I don't care about what Scott Clark or anyone else says about grace / sin / repenting.

I SEE what the Bible says.

We ALL fall short of the grace of God!

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The sinners prayer is made up. It's not even in the bible.

Mumbling words can't save you. Belief can.

Don't worry you'll get sooner or later.
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pffffffffft

I've BEEN there a while.

Every now and then I'm reminded of some past incident where I did wrong.

And I say "Forgive me Father for I was wrong and did wrong".

IF you don't repent....

endofdays

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LOVE fulfills the law Jesus love fulfills the LAW

Following Pauls epistles does not fulfill the law, but sets up more laws... church laws that help control and bind church people from obeying, and simply thinking about their image... and self righteousness.
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Somebody does not know the difference between LAW and admonition.

Paul was Grace freak.. Don't know where you get this other stuff from.
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Where does grace actually come from?

Forgiveness

What is the main act that needs to be done to receive forgiveness?

Repentence.

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance
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Wrong Again... A continuing series for boob with the wingz...

Grace is God's Love and Desire for us.

HIS Infinite Mercy is more along the lines of what you cited: Forgiveness.


It is Through and BY HIS Grace that Christ Jesus Was Sent and The Gospel Brought Unto us Through The Word Become Flesh...

It is BY HIS Grace that we come to understand our True nature and realize our worthlessness. This Brokenness is what Enables surrender... I've never seen anyone other than Pureheart or sinner Come Unto The Father; and the Pureheart thinks they are the worst of all sinners...

None of you here understands. You're seekers of intellect, rationalizers of God as you wish for HIM to be...

Nobody Comes Unto The Father without gaining the conviction that their life is meaningless without HIM!

Worth saying again; but why be overly tedious, you don't care anyway. You don't care about God; you're seeking for self and for approval from everyone but HIM.


All the rationalizations about the such out of context happenings in the NT. Probably about time for someone to mention Strong's or 'the correct text & translation'!

All the usual shit your carnal hearts can dream up reasons for...


How about what matters? That Christ Witnesses YE MUST BE Born-Again or you face rejection... So Very Evident that HIS Witness about Laodicea IS True. Lukewarm, all of you, because you spurn Father's Call... The most violent rejection in the NT awaits the Laodicean Lukewarm: Spewn Forth From MY Mouth! Like the Fig Tree on the road to Bethany... Full of such promise, but barren...

Almost don't count in this situation. No faking it til you make it.

Fakers all gonna hear from Christ's Lips: "Depart from ME, you who work iniquity; I KNOW YOU NOT!"


Of course, you don't realize HIS Witness is for you! Got to Truly KNOW The Father because none can KNOW The Son without first Coming Unto The Father and standing IN HIS Presence!


Might just not be Too Late... You'll never Know until you manifest your heart Unto God The Father and Become Born-Again...

HIS Holy Spirit will School you on The Scriptures... All you ever Need To KNOW, HE Will Provide... Just like St. John Witnesses.

It's all there, so plain, so evident; you just NEED A Heart Of Father's Flesh To See...