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Paul's Epistles are not THUS SAITH THE LORD Bible verses

 
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So far you have revealed in your posts that:

You didn't know what grace is
 Quoting: Neenerner


YOU don't recognize that grace is from the Father, and it is clearly shown in the Old Testament. The Father HIMSELF IS the author of Grace AND Salvation.

You didn't know that Paul spoke to Jesus.
 Quoting: Neenerner


Nonsense. I've read 4 Bibles cover to cover plus countless passages. Paul was recruited by Jesus on the road to Damascus. Paul didn't speak to Jesus while He was in human form.

That Paul's ministry was the gentiles.
 Quoting: Neenerner


Yes because Jesus said so. IF you actually read the last half of Acts you will see that Paul also ran into Hebrew synagogues in his travels. Even in ROME.

You didn't know there were 2 Gospels - the ones in Mathew Mark Luke and John, and then the ones after those 4 books.
What the law is - you said Paul was trying to put people under the law. What works are.
 Quoting: Neenerner


The 2 Gospel theory is utter nonsensical rubbish created by numbskull "theologians". The Father Himself is actually the "author" of the Gospel since EVERYTHING Jesus said had been given to Him by the Father.

John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


Paul speaks more about saved by grace than any other writer in the Bible.

Maybe if you consider these things, you might find that just maybe, possibly somehow someway that the Word of God, especially in Romans and Ephesians could possibly be saying over and over we are saved by Grace alone. Just sayin.
 Quoting: Neenerner


The sooner you understand that "grace" is "forgiveness", the sooner you will see that the entire Bible is FULL of stories where God FORGIVES / "extends His Grace" countless times.

Do you REALLY THINK that a person who DOES NOT REPENT will be in the Kingdom of God?

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"I didn't know...."?

I have NO "sleepless" nights.

I TRUST the Father and His Son FULLY.

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SMH -read your own post.


Grace is still not forgiveness. Grace has many forms. But by definition it is specifically "undeserved kindness"
You still have not used the dictionary.

And I never said there is no repentance. Not once.

A person that is saved is enabled to walk in repentance by the power of the Holy Spirit.

You can't have 1 thought about anything, let alone repentance with out the grace of God. A repentant heart is one the sign of a Born Again believer.

Grace leads to repentance. We can't repent on our own without Gods Grace.

Romans 2:4 Amplified Bible (AMP)

4 Or do you have no regard for the wealth of His kindness and tolerance and patience [in withholding His wrath]? Are you [actually] unaware or ignorant [of the fact] that God’s kindness leads you to repentance [that is, to change your inner self, your old way of thinking—seek His purpose for your life]?

A repentant heart is also a gift from God.

grace noun
\ˈgrās \
Definition of grace (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : unmerited divine assistance given to humans for their regeneration or sanctification
b : a virtue coming from God
c : a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine assistance
2a : APPROVAL, FAVOR
stayed in his good graces
b archaic : MERCY, PARDON
c : a special favor : PRIVILEGE
each in his place, by right, not grace, shall rule his heritage
— Rudyard Kipling
d : disposition to or an act or instance of kindness, courtesy, or clemency
e : a temporary exemption : REPRIEVE

Forgiveness appears nowhere in the definition of Grace. Grace is not forgiveness.

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Ephesians 2:8-9 Amplified Bible (AMP)

8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God; 9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation].

You can't say anything you did helped or facilitated the saving, not even repentance.
Saved by grace and grace alone NOT repentance.

God gives us a repentant heart and then we repent. Repentance is also a gift from God.

So either you are wrong or the Bible and the dictionary are wrong.

I hope you are blessed by this.

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SMH -read your own post.

Grace is still not forgiveness. Grace has many forms. But by definition it is specifically "undeserved kindness"
You still have not used the dictionary.

And I never said there is no repentance. Not once.

A person that is saved is enabled to walk in repentance by the power of the Holy Spirit.

You can't have 1 thought about anything, let alone repentance with out the grace of God. A repentant heart is one the sign of a Born Again believer.

Grace leads to repentance. We can't repent on our own without Gods Grace.

Romans 2:4 Amplified Bible (AMP)

4 Or do you have no regard for the wealth of His kindness and tolerance and patience [in withholding His wrath]? Are you [actually] unaware or ignorant [of the fact] that God’s kindness leads you to repentance [that is, to change your inner self, your old way of thinking—seek His purpose for your life]?

A repentant heart is also a gift from God.

grace noun
\ˈgrās \
Definition of grace (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : unmerited divine assistance given to humans for their regeneration or sanctification
b : a virtue coming from God
c : a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine assistance
2a : APPROVAL, FAVOR
stayed in his good graces
b archaic : MERCY, PARDON
c : a special favor : PRIVILEGE
each in his place, by right, not grace, shall rule his heritage
— Rudyard Kipling
d : disposition to or an act or instance of kindness, courtesy, or clemency
e : a temporary exemption : REPRIEVE

Forgiveness appears nowhere in the definition of Grace. Grace is not forgiveness.

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Ephesians 2:8-9 Amplified Bible (AMP)

8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved [actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God; 9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation].

You can't say anything you did helped or facilitated the saving, not even repentance.
Saved by grace and grace alone NOT repentance.

God gives us a repentant heart and then we repent. Repentance is also a gift from God.

So either you are wrong or the Bible and the dictionary are wrong.

I hope you are blessed by this.
 Quoting: Neenerner


Do you follow Paul...or do you follow Jesus and the Father?

Scriptural FACTS.


Point #1. God Yahuah sent John the Baptist to....

Matthew 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

What did he teach?

Matthew 3:2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"

Point #2. The VERY first thing that Jesus taught?

Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1:15 And saying*, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe* the gospel.

Point #3. Some of Jesus LAST WORDS to the Apostles?

Luke 24

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.


Point #4. The VERY FIRST SERMON by ANY of the Apostles? Peter said this...

Acts 2

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Point #5. How many testimonies have you heard about folks "coming to Christ" because they are ROCK BOTTOM in their sins, and cry out "I'm sorry, please forgive me"?

There are many.


Summary

You fail to accept the "grace offered" / "grace receieved" connection.

You fail to see the importance of repentance, and that salvation isn't confirmed until repentance happens.

NO REPENTANCE = NO SALVATION.

Grace doesn't create a repentant heart.

Repentance ALLOWS for grace to be completed.

God Yahuah - the Father - told folks to repent in the Old Testament.
Jesus - God's Son - tells folks to repent in the New Testament.


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Did you really just call the Word of God a lie and cross it out???!

Just wow!

And the dictionary too!?


Romans 10:9-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)

9For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 [that is, being made righteous—being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation.

Belief alone results in justification.


Ephesians 1:13 Amplified Bible (AMP)

13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].


"Saving belief" saves you by Grace.

Nothing else is needed.

You can believe anything you want. I choose to believe the Word of God.

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Forget the Ten Commandments, they are a good basic LAW that the religionists and the Jews easily try to evade and get around....which is why Jesus barked at the scribes and pharisees (religionists).. with His CLASSIC...Thou hast heard it has been said.... BUT I (JESUS) say unto you... lecture... And then the Lords total destruction of hiliness doctrine in Mathew 23..

Only Jesus spirit and love allows anyone to fulfill the 10 Commandments... if it's done in the flesh its shallow and becomes self righteousness and hypocracy.

Jesus gets the credit for fulfllling the LAW, not us. Jesus gives the grace and love literally, spiritually and every other way.

The religionists love LAW as they think they fulfill the LAW, which they sau makes them righteous, and more righteous than others
 Quoting: Questquestion/Answer


If you forget the commandments of God, you may as well say your word, is better than The Lord God. It about what hurt man, it called sin, truly it about things man does to himself and others that causes pain and not happiness in their lives and others. Pure and simple. How about these, and remember The Lord God is the Savior of Man, none other. This is true.

It not just the bible it the holy spirit you receive from God. If you do not have this, you should, never go wrong with it, it will remind you.

The greatest commandment is all the commandments rolled into one, real love, as The Lord God says it is not mans, mans if way short of the Lords.
Sorry I got a headache

These are the times that tries men's and
women's souls!

May we come though it victorious!
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Did you really just call the Word of God a lie and cross it out???!

Just wow!

And the dictionary too!?

Romans 10:9-10 Amplified Bible (AMP)

9For with the heart a person believes [in Christ as Savior] resulting in his justification because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 [that is, being made righteous—being freed of the guilt of sin and made acceptable to God]; and with the mouth he acknowledges and confesses [his faith openly], resulting in and confirming [his] salvation.

Belief alone results in justification.

Ephesians 1:13 Amplified Bible (AMP)

13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].

"Saving belief" saves you by Grace.

Nothing else is needed.

You can believe anything you want. I choose to believe the Word of God.
 Quoting: Neenerner


You claim to believe the Word of God yet you fail to see that repentance has always been the keystone to forgiveness and RECEIVING the "grace offered" by the Father through His Son Jesus.

Take a look at the all the verses in the Old Testament that use the word "grace".

You could easily replace the word with "forgiveness".

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Grace is still not forgiveness. Grace has many forms. But by definition it is specifically "undeserved kindness"
You still have not used the dictionary.

grace noun
\ˈgrās \
Definition of grace (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : unmerited divine assistance given to humans for their regeneration or sanctification
b : a virtue coming from God
c : a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine assistance
2a : APPROVAL, FAVOR
stayed in his good graces
b archaic : MERCY, PARDON
c : a special favor
: PRIVILEGE
each in his place, by right, not grace, shall rule his heritage
— Rudyard Kipling
d : disposition to or an act or instance of kindness, courtesy, or clemency
e : a temporary exemption : REPRIEVE

Forgiveness appears nowhere in the definition of Grace. Grace is not forgiveness.

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 Quoting: Neenerner


You actually expect that the atheistic scholars who write dictionary definitions to understand Biblical terminologies and meanings?

Does this make any sense to you?

Forgiveness is a "special favor" from God.
Forgiveness is MERCY from God's wrath.
Forgiveness is a PARDON from God's wrath.
Forgiveness is CLEMENCY from God's wrath.
Forgiveness is a REPRIEVE from God's wrath.

Grace can equal forgiveness.

What's required to RECEIVE grace / forgiveness?

Repentance....ASKING for Forgiveness.

Let's say that you....in a fit of anger...say hurtfull words to a loved one.

What do YOU have to do to receive grace / mercy / reprieve etc..from that person?

ASK for forgiveness.
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Romans 11:6 Amplified Bible (AMP)

6 But if it is by grace [God’s unmerited favor], it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace [it would not be a gift but a reward for works].


Grace is a free gift. Or its not grace.
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Romans 2:4 Amplified Bible (AMP)

4 Or do you have no regard for the wealth of His kindness and tolerance and patience [in withholding His wrath]? Are you [actually] unaware or ignorant [of the fact] that God’s kindness leads you to repentance [that is, to change your inner self, your old way of thinking—seek His purpose for your life]?

A repentant heart is also a gift from God.

grace noun
\ˈgrās \
Definition of grace (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : unmerited divine assistance given to humans for their regeneration or sanctification
b : a virtue coming from God
c : a state of sanctification enjoyed through divine assistance
2a : APPROVAL, FAVOR
stayed in his good graces
b archaic : MERCY, PARDON
c : a special favor : PRIVILEGE
each in his place, by right, not grace, shall rule his heritage
— Rudyard Kipling
d : disposition to or an act or instance of kindness, courtesy, or clemency
e : a temporary exemption : REPRIEVE

Forgiveness appears nowhere in the definition of Grace. Grace is not forgiveness.

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Ephesians 2:8-9 Amplified Bible (AMP)

8 For it is by grace [God’s remarkable compassion and favor drawing you to Christ] that you have been saved
[actually delivered from judgment and given eternal life] through faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [not through your own effort], but it is the [undeserved, gracious] gift of God; 9 not as a result of [your] works [nor your attempts to keep the Law], so that no one will [be able to] boast or take credit in any way [for his salvation].

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SAUL/PAUL was a huge enemy of Jesus because he did not comprehend and spread garbage.
There Can Be NO Peace in the Heart or Progress in the Mind unless one falls wholeheartedly in love with Truth and IDEALS of Eternal Realities.

Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny.


"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.


Wisdom is not given, it is earned, and experience is the bestower.

Rejoice, for the world of ABSOLUTE TRANSPARENCY approaches, and decisions will be made according to the purity of your motives, for the eye of the Divine is an all-seeing eye, capable of glimpsing every flutter of the soul, knowing every yearning of your being and – incredible though it may seem – supporting every aspect of your own DIVINE PLAN.
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SAUL/PAUL was a huge enemy of Jesus because he did not comprehend and spread garbage.
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Blasphemy...maybe even the unforgivable sin?!
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SAUL/PAUL was a huge enemy of Jesus because he did not comprehend and spread garbage.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Blasphemy...maybe even the unforgivable sin?!
 Quoting: Neenerner


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There Can Be NO Peace in the Heart or Progress in the Mind unless one falls wholeheartedly in love with Truth and IDEALS of Eternal Realities.

Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny.


"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.


Wisdom is not given, it is earned, and experience is the bestower.

Rejoice, for the world of ABSOLUTE TRANSPARENCY approaches, and decisions will be made according to the purity of your motives, for the eye of the Divine is an all-seeing eye, capable of glimpsing every flutter of the soul, knowing every yearning of your being and – incredible though it may seem – supporting every aspect of your own DIVINE PLAN.
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An ambassador does not speak to whom he is sent to of him own self, he speaks what he is given by the power over him to say.
An ambassador of The Lord Jesus Christ does not speak of him self to those he is sent to to speak.
It is not Paul who speaks but Christ who is in him and where his unction comes from is the Head of him and The Lord over His own.
The most precious things are the simple things in life, always present in the simplest of minds.
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SAUL/PAUL was a huge enemy of Jesus because he did not comprehend and spread garbage.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Blasphemy...maybe even the unforgivable sin?!
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SAUL/PAUL was a huge enemy of Jesus because he did not comprehend and spread garbage.
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Blasphemy...maybe even the unforgivable sin?!
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bump
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2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
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I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Paul


But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


Paul


For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.


Paul


But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.


Paul


Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Paul


In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Paul


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Paul


That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Paul


For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

Paul


For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.


Paul


Those that hate Paul do not love Jesus Christ.

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An ambassador does not speak to whom he is sent to of him own self, he speaks what he is given by the power over him to say.
An ambassador of The Lord Jesus Christ does not speak of him self to those he is sent to to speak.
It is not Paul who speaks but Christ who is in him and where his unction comes from is the Head of him and The Lord over His own.
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paul fucked up a lot...
There Can Be NO Peace in the Heart or Progress in the Mind unless one falls wholeheartedly in love with Truth and IDEALS of Eternal Realities.

Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny.


"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.


Wisdom is not given, it is earned, and experience is the bestower.

Rejoice, for the world of ABSOLUTE TRANSPARENCY approaches, and decisions will be made according to the purity of your motives, for the eye of the Divine is an all-seeing eye, capable of glimpsing every flutter of the soul, knowing every yearning of your being and – incredible though it may seem – supporting every aspect of your own DIVINE PLAN.
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"His Writings Were Considered Scripture During His Lifetime

The final point is that the New Testament recognized Paul's writing as Scripture. Peter wrote:

Our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which some things are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the rest of the Scriptures
(2 Peter 3:15,16).

The writings of Paul complete the New Testament. He was the chosen instrument to explain the meaning of the two comings of Jesus Christ.
Summary

Saul of Tarsus was a great enemy of the church. However he was converted on the road to Damascus while in the midst of persecuting Christians. He became the Apostle Paul - the greatest missionary the church has ever seen.

Paul was given the task of explaining the ministry of Christ to the Gentile (non-Jewish) world.

We find that he received direct revelation from the Lord. Paul also believed his message to be divine. The Apostle Peter confirmed Paul's words as Scripture. He was God's chosen instrument to reveal much about the central truths of the Christian faith. Paul also explained the necessity of the two comings of Christ."

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Those that hate Paul do not love Jesus Christ.


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Those that hate Paul do not love Jesus Christ.


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AMEN

Paul does not speak in fickle language.

He does not tickle ears.

Whatever the apostle said he said it with full meaning.

2 Corinthians 1:18-20: But as God is true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.

19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.

20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

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In John 5:39, it is written: "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me"

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

2 Timothy 2:15: "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Rightly-divide here in the Greek is orthos (right) temno (cut out).

There is no way that we can cut without dividing, right?

Dividing is the very nature of cutting.

True believers have a desire to rightly-divide the truth for themselves because, true believers desire to follow the right way and, avoid the wrong.
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Those that hate Paul do not love Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: shoeshy

Truth, but at the same time, many folks overlook / ignore what Jesus said and blabber about what Paul said.

Even more so, many folks claim and even preach that Pauls' "grace" message somehow "over-rules" ALL the times that Jesus and the Apostles mention "repentance" (which I've already addressed).

That is a misunderstanding that MANY pastors are making these days, as many of the "new age" mega-churches teach NOTHING about repentance.

We know very little about Paul's "first" teachings & church "plantings", as ALL the letters in the Bible are addressed to congregations that he had already established.

But yet it's pretty clear that he was also, like Jesus and the other Apostles, teaching repentance.

These are all the verses in Paul's letters that mention the subject.

Paul - "repent"

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Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

2 Corinthians 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.

Paul - "repented"

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2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

Paul - "repentance"

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Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

2 Corinthians 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Finally, does anyone notice what the "Lord's Prayer" says?

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.

Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

Asking forgiveness IS repentance.

And it's what is needed for us to Receive the Grace Offered by the Father through His Son.

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4 Or do you have no regard for the wealth of His kindness and tolerance and patience [in withholding His wrath]? Are you [actually] unaware or ignorant [of the fact] that God’s kindness leads you to repentance [that is, to change your inner self, your old way of thinking—seek His purpose for your life]?

A repentant heart is also a gift from God.
 Quoting: Neenerner


You're calling ME ignorant yet you NEVER address any of the questions I pose to you?

You're so stiff-necked that you can't even see this...

Forgiveness is a "special favor" from God.
Forgiveness is MERCY from God's wrath.
Forgiveness is a PARDON from God's wrath.
Forgiveness is CLEMENCY from God's wrath.
Forgiveness is a REPRIEVE from God's wrath.

Grace can equal forgiveness.

What's required to RECEIVE grace / forgiveness?

Repentance....ASKING for Forgiveness.

I pray that you don't OVERLOOK the IMPORTANCE of teaching repentance to folks.

No Repentance = NO Salvation.

I am but a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Couple Hebrews 12 Bastards duking it out... Let he who throws the first Strong's be.... whatever...


So Laodicean. No Relationship With God, but blather on about all you expect of HIM in your carnal-hearted ignorance.


Wanna argue about HIS Grace, eh?

It does come down to whether you've Been Enabled TO DO HIS Father's Will. Matt 7:21 1st John 2:19 Delivered BY The Father from your stony-carnal heart, Given A NEW Heart Of HIS Flesh! Enabled to KNOW and DO HIS Will and to live your life without sin. All Witnesses in Ezekiel 36:26-27.

Father Sending HIS Son To Redeem us IS Grace.
Father Making Our WAY Possible IS Grace...


But, if you've never found your brokenness and given your life Unto HIM, then you've SPURNED HIS Grace and disregarded Christ Jesus' Sacrifice...

Done any "Mighty Works", aka 'Miracles'? Have you?
"Cast-Out demons", have you?
"Prophesied" In HIS Name, have you?

Those Jesus Tells "Depart from ME, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT"; they Had Done these spiritual things; but they never Came Unto The Father, so they weren't Born-Again...

Like you both... Most replying here, if not just about all.


So, you KNOW Nothing!

If you can't Trust God with every aspect of your life, (which is basically what you Tell HIM when you make your surrender), repentance as you opine, is just a limited moment of desire...

Not willing to Trust God with the rest of your life, and therefore Allow HIM To Deliver You from your carnal-hearted self; there is no Victory for you... Rationalize what you wish; but Having BEEN Delivered and Shown What I Was Delivered From, I have witness.

God's Grace IS There, but we have to Claim It.
Claim IT and HIS Infinite Mercy, by Taking Action (surrender). All happens when we make our Leap Of Faith...

If you never manifest your Faith & Love For God into Action, then you've proven yourself A Failed-Vessel.

"For Many were Called, but Few Are Chosen!"
Few CHOOSE To Trust God Fully and Come Unto The Father...

These "few" are The Very Elect... Those who CHOSE to Give their all Unto The Father.

Nothing you guys are familiar with though, eh?


So much bullshit rationalization in Laodicea. You folk choose your church and seek God on your own terms. Essentially, you are playing-god, because you limit HIM according to your restrictive Love and limited understanding.

Not so much the "repentance" that matters as it is your Admission as a sinner. Understanding that without God In Our Lives we are nothing but in continual error; even in our best intended effort...

Without God, we truly are Nothing.
Without Coming Unto The Father, we are only a potential...
Without Coming Utno The Father; our Faith is dead.

All the bullshit written here, and verses quoted to support the rationalizations; What a waste of time and distraction from your manifestation of Love>

Might take ten minutes to COME UNTO THE FATHER>
JUST SO MUCH WASTED
So much effort put into avoidance and maintaining ignorance and alienation.

"Depart from ME, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT!"

Until we are Born-Again with that "New Heart Of Flesh" (HIS Flesh!) and Enabled TO KNOW and DO HIS Will, we remain "workers of iniquity".

If you don't KNOW The Father Personally and Directly from Having stood IN HIS Presence and given your surrender; you are iniquitous...

God don't Recognize your heart and your intentions; You HAVE To Tell HIM~!


Once Born-Again, HE Brings You Into Knowing...
Once Born-Again, you will have something to witness...


Maranatha!!!
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Those that hate Paul do not love Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: shoeshy

Truth, but at the same time, many folks overlook / ignore what Jesus said and blabber about what Paul said.

Even more so, many folks claim and even preach that Pauls' "grace" message somehow "over-rules" ALL the times that Jesus and the Apostles mention "repentance" (which I've already addressed).

That is a misunderstanding that MANY pastors are making these days, as many of the "new age" mega-churches teach NOTHING about repentance.

We know very little about Paul's "first" teachings & church "plantings", as ALL the letters in the Bible are addressed to congregations that he had already established.

But yet it's pretty clear that he was also, like Jesus and the other Apostles, teaching repentance.

These are all the verses in Paul's letters that mention the subject.

Paul - "repent"

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Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

2 Corinthians 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.

Paul - "repented"

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2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

Paul - "repentance"

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Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

2 Corinthians 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Finally, does anyone notice what the "Lord's Prayer" says?

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.

Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us.

Asking forgiveness IS repentance.

And it's what is needed for us to Receive the Grace Offered by the Father through His Son.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


I have to say, you are just crazy...
Searching Paul's Epistles for every use of "repent" and citing one verse Does NOT Convey Paul's intent or application of the term.

Jesus Witnesses in Matt 13:11-15 that HIS Ministry is to those who can SEE/HEAR The Gospel with their heart, rather than those seeking with intellect.

HE Says the reason HE Uses Parables is so the intellect-seekers WON'T Understand, "Lest they be converted and I should have to heal them"...

Lots of context for "repent". Ammends, Apology, being a couple.


If you KNEW The Father, all this Bible thumping would be far from your heart. The Gospel is very plainly Witnessed BY Christ Jesus. What the purpose of all your "study" and effort when you can't find it in your heart to Come Unto The Father?

Christ Jesus IS ALL About HIS Father...
Christianity IS ALL About The Father...

If you KNOW The Father, you don't need to thump The Bible, and you don't 'search The Bible for answers'... If you Have Relationship With God, You ASK HIM what you want to Know!

If you're Born-Again, You KNOW what a struggle it was to finally Come Unto The Father; and you KNOW the shit HE Delivered You From. You KNOW Living In and With HIM As Your Reality... God Enables you to live w/o sinning so your Relationship is not jeaopardized; you can always spurn HIM and go prodigal, but to what purpose?


There is no Relationship With HIM for those who seek on terms other than Total and Complete Love & Trust and full capitulation of self.

There's no half-measures for Trusting God.
The Leap Of Faith takes only your initial effort...
Make that with True heart and sincerity and Father Brings You Unto HIM...

Only through Doing Will you Be Brought into KNOWING!


MARANATHA!!!
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Couple Hebrews 12 Bastards duking it out... Let he who throws the first Strong's be.... whatever...


So Laodicean. No Relationship With God, but blather on about all you expect of HIM in your carnal-hearted ignorance.


Wanna argue about HIS Grace, eh?

It does come down to whether you've Been Enabled TO DO HIS Father's Will. Matt 7:21 1st John 2:19 Delivered BY The Father from your stony-carnal heart, Given A NEW Heart Of HIS Flesh! Enabled to KNOW and DO HIS Will and to live your life without sin. All Witnesses in Ezekiel 36:26-27.

Father Sending HIS Son To Redeem us IS Grace.
Father Making Our WAY Possible IS Grace...


But, if you've never found your brokenness and given your life Unto HIM, then you've SPURNED HIS Grace and disregarded Christ Jesus' Sacrifice...

Done any "Mighty Works", aka 'Miracles'? Have you?
"Cast-Out demons", have you?
"Prophesied" In HIS Name, have you?

Those Jesus Tells "Depart from ME, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT"; they Had Done these spiritual things; but they never Came Unto The Father, so they weren't Born-Again...

Like you both... Most replying here, if not just about all.


So, you KNOW Nothing!

If you can't Trust God with every aspect of your life, (which is basically what you Tell HIM when you make your surrender), repentance as you opine, is just a limited moment of desire...

Not willing to Trust God with the rest of your life, and therefore Allow HIM To Deliver You from your carnal-hearted self; there is no Victory for you... Rationalize what you wish; but Having BEEN Delivered and Shown What I Was Delivered From, I have witness.

God's Grace IS There, but we have to Claim It.
Claim IT and HIS Infinite Mercy, by Taking Action (surrender). All happens when we make our Leap Of Faith...

If you never manifest your Faith & Love For God into Action, then you've proven yourself A Failed-Vessel.

"For Many were Called, but Few Are Chosen!"
Few CHOOSE To Trust God Fully and Come Unto The Father...

These "few" are The Very Elect... Those who CHOSE to Give their all Unto The Father.

Nothing you guys are familiar with though, eh?


So much bullshit rationalization in Laodicea. You folk choose your church and seek God on your own terms. Essentially, you are playing-god, because you limit HIM according to your restrictive Love and limited understanding.

Not so much the "repentance" that matters as it is your Admission as a sinner. Understanding that without God In Our Lives we are nothing but in continual error; even in our best intended effort...

Without God, we truly are Nothing.
Without Coming Unto The Father, we are only a potential...
Without Coming Utno The Father; our Faith is dead.

All the bullshit written here, and verses quoted to support the rationalizations; What a waste of time and distraction from your manifestation of Love>

Might take ten minutes to COME UNTO THE FATHER>
JUST SO MUCH WASTED
So much effort put into avoidance and maintaining ignorance and alienation.

"Depart from ME, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT!"

Until we are Born-Again with that "New Heart Of Flesh" (HIS Flesh!) and Enabled TO KNOW and DO HIS Will, we remain "workers of iniquity".

If you don't KNOW The Father Personally and Directly from Having stood IN HIS Presence and given your surrender; you are iniquitous...

God don't Recognize your heart and your intentions; You HAVE To Tell HIM~!


Once Born-Again, HE Brings You Into Knowing...
Once Born-Again, you will have something to witness...


Maranatha!!!
 Quoting: Lester



Feel better now? You got right your typical 1000 words judging everybody, telling all we are not saved.

But of course you are oh Raboni!

Holier than thou Lester the Pharisee has spoken!

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You didn't know that Paul spoke to Jesus.
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Nonsense. I've read 4 Bibles cover to cover plus countless passages. Paul was recruited by Jesus on the road to Damascus. Paul didn't speak to Jesus while He was in human form.

That Paul's ministry was the gentiles.
 Quoting: Neenerner


Yes because Jesus said so. IF you actually read the last half of Acts you will see that Paul also ran into Hebrew synagogues in his travels. Even in ROME.
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Verses to prove my point about synagogues.

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Damascus Acts 9:20
Salamis Acts 13:5
Antioch Acts 13:14
Iconium Acts 14:1
Thessalonica Acts 17:1
Berea Acts 17:10
Athens Acts 17:16
Corinth Acts 18:4
Ephesus Acts 18:19
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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!

Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!

AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!
 Quoting: Neenerner


I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant




This scripture demonstrates 2 things
1 there were two gospels. One before Christ rose.
2 the church was born on Pentecost.

Acts 19 4-6

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.


5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
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Truth: Many try to conceal it, and many try to control it.

Sola-scriptura was never what we were to live by. If we did, it would be like trying to live under the Law.

We all know the law, according to Paul, was ONLY to lead us to grace.

Paul, Peter, James, Samson, Abraham, these were all men, who grew in their walks, just like we do.

Even in the NT, they weren't mature in their understanding at the day of Pentecost.

Jesus says we live by the breath and Words of God...Not a written text, taking God's place. The tablet stones could not take God's place and neither can the bible.

From the garden throughout the whole Old Testament, men and God fellow-shipped, it was a personal intimacy. Man and God walking together, by faith. Abraham was a gentile.

We live by Spirit. You must have a testimony, and the blood.

Do you have a daily testimony, of interacting with Jesus, and being taught by Him? Paul recommends this.

Yes Paul seems to be in and out of grace in his writing, and the scriptures are from God, and preserved by Him, but our perspective must be on Jesus, and Grace.

There is a difference and at the same time a "sameness" between the word and the words of God, spoken and written, the Holy Spirit makes the written come alive in your spirit, thus making them as if they were spoken


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You guys are missing a very simple point!

Wait for it .....

When Jesus spoke, the Church was not born. Not until Pentecost. So Jesus was addressing.....the J o o sz!

Paul's ministry was to...... The gentiles and the body of Christ. The church.

Get it?

The law was not dead until after he rose so the Juuuze were still under the Law!

AND Paul (Saul) did meet Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus made Paul's ministry the gentiles not the Juuuze!
 Quoting: Neenerner


I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant




This scripture demonstrates 2 things
1 there were two gospels. One before Christ rose.
2 the church was born on Pentecost.

Acts 19 4-6

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.


5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 Quoting: Neenerner



ONE Gospel...

"The Church" was "born" when each Apostle followed The Lord.


ONE BASIS For Inclusion In Christ's Church.... Matt 16:13-20:
13. When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?"

14. And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?


16. And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.


**** 17. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.***


18. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.




The "Rock"/Foundation for Inclusion is:::: KNOWING WHO Jesus IS!


KNOWING WHO Jesus IS is your Invitation To The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son.... Matt 22:1-14
1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,


3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.




If you are not Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again; YOU HAVE NO Relationship With God!


Up to YOU To Decide That You Love & Trust The Father Totally and Completely and Give Unto HIM YOUR Life!

When we Choose-Elect to surrender our self-will and accept Father's Will for us, AND Take Action Telling HIM So; We Are Born-Again...
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This IS my witness: What I Have Seen And Was Given To KNOW. I gave my life fully and completely Unto The Father and Received The Gifts HE Witnesses Of in Ezekiel 36:26-27.


St Paul witnesses that anyone who would Teach/Preach/Minister "Ought First BE A Partaker Of The Fruits" 2nd Timothy 2:6

Paul also witnesses about YOU HEBREWS 12 Bastards:
5. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6. For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8. But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10. For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

"Partakers Of HIS Holiness", "Partakers Of The Fruits"....

Paul was "broken" by God when he was knocked from his horse and blinded.

Brokenness is a condition of the heart which Enables us to decide that ONLY God Matters (If Father Put KNOWLEDGE Of WHO Christ Jesus IS Upon Your Heart).


Can't Recognize Paul as your Born-Again Brother? Then you aren't...

We either Accept Father's Chastisement and Guidance In Coming Unto HIM or we never do... Being Born-Again, we Praise HIM for all HIS Chastisement, Mercies, and Grace; for these And Christ Jesus' Sacrifice on calvary; Enabled Us To Come Unto HIM!

"...No man Cometh Unto The Father but BY ME!" John 14:6


If you would be HIS; NOW Is The Time To Tell HIM So!


Maranatha!!!