Paul's Epistles are not THUS SAITH THE LORD Bible verses

For somebody that didnt know Paul spoke to Jesus you....never mind.

You are keeping yourself under the Law.


Pride

The Ten Commandments are not the "Law".

Both Jesus and the Apostles said to "follow the commandments".

Both Jesus and the Apostles said to "repent".


All of Paul's writings are letters to churches where he had already preached the Gospel.

Since the letters were written to address issues at the churches, we don't get to read ALL of
what Paul had actually taught when he had been there physically.

Many Christians believe that repentance isn't necessary, and quote Paul as the source of "faith only".

Is that really the case though, or was Paul influenced to preach less about repentance?

Here, in Acts, in the earliest days of Paul's preaching, this happened.

Acts 26

19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to
the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

So is it possible that the incident lessened Paul's teachings of repentance?

I believe it's possible, as Paul did mention repentance from time to time.

See these verses. The first one is before the King Agrippa incident.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

These are after "Agrippa"...

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

"Impenitent" can be translated as unrepentant

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2 Conrinthians 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

2 Conrinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

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Good luck with your "I don't need to repent" thoughts.

I'll pray that your prideful nature gets changed at some point.

You're no better than the rest of us.

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Matthew 24:14 King James Version (KJV)

“14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”


The words of Jesus. His prophecy. The BIBLE, the entire BIBLE has been preached throughout the earth, through the canonization and the invention of the printing press, the television, radio and the internet. God saw to it that Paul’s teachings were preserved for instructions of the churches and Christians WORLDWIDE, along with the 4 gospels and the Old Testament.

Don’t believe it?! YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST

Show me wear I said I don't repent. You can't because I never said it.

I said you are saved by Faith. Not by repentance. AND evidence of being saved is you have a repentant heart and delight yourself in the Lord's laws, statutes and commands.

We are not under the law but under grace meaning law has no power over us.

If you would like to try and earn something tha the God said is free (Grace) and stay under the law, be my guest.

the Apostle Peter calls Paul's writings "Scripture"

Paul clarified at least one time when it was himself and not the Lord

as for "Thus saith the Lord" that was specifically for OT Prophetic utterances

Hebrews 1 tells us that "Thus saith the Lord" ended with the advent of Christ in his birth, death, and resurrection

in the NT era, no one is ever to say "Thus saith the Lord" as there are no more OT Prophets
the last of which was John the Baptist

however, the NT is just as much the voice and command of G-d as the OT is

If you notice...I didn't quote YOU in the above post.

Why is it that you "Pauline" folks can't understand the importance of repentance?

What is one of the major "themes" throughout the Old Testament?

Repentance. God Yahuah continually had the prophets tell the people to repent.

What happened to them when they REFUSED to repent?

They were punished.

But what happened to them when they repented?

They received forgiveness - God Yahuah's grace.

Faith had little or nothing to do with it.

The words "repent" & "repentance" were used 49 times in the New Testament....by EVERY single writer.

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The word "repented" is used 15 times in the NT

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John the Baptist's main teaching? Repent.
Jesus very FIRST teaching? Repent.
Peter's answer to the folks outside the upper room on the day of Pentecost? Repent and be baptised.

Finally, Jesus admonished folks who failed to repent.

Matthew 11 & Luke 10....

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Yet both Jesus and the Apostles said...

...."obey the commandments".

The 10 Commandments.

Not the "laws" as listed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

Not the "laws" created by the oral Talmud and other rabbinical writings.

Jesus admonished the Pharisees, yet not once did He admonish folks who brought up the 10 C's.

So are you under the law or under grace? Yes you have a choice.

Repentance was the gospel to the Juuuze. The audiences when told to repent was almost always the Juuuze.

After Arippa - you quote from Romans:

The goodness of God LEADS to repentance.
Grace is the goodness of God.
Grace leads to repentance.
Repentance does Not lead to grace.

Saved by (grace) Free not works (repentance)

The entire theme of Romans written by Paul is Grace. It's funny you try to use that to prove saved by works/repentance.

Acts 26 be was talking to the Juuuze. They were in the TEMPLE. Unless gentiles had a temple back then. Not!

Dude give it up. You are welcome to stay under the law. Anybody in their right mind would choose grace.

The way you are looking at this is skewed.

Grace is forgiveness.

Grace, forgiveness are basically one and the same with mercy.

Believe. Repent. Receive grace / mercy / forgiveness.

Where does "joy" come from, and when does it happen?

Not until you have been forgiven, for the simple fact that the burden of your past sins have been lifted. Forgiven BY mercy and grace.

Belief / Faith does not give true joy.

Your "equation" that....

Faith / Belief leads to grace / joy...which then "allows repentance" is faulty.

1. Believe that God & His Son exist.
2. Repent / ask forgiveness.
3. Receive grace / mercy / forgiveness.
4. Have Joy
5. Faith grows knowing that the "Promises" are true.

Enoch, Abraham, Moses and Elijah were all "Godly" men, yet they ALL sinned. They ALL had both Belief and Faith in God.

Do you think they received grace / forgiveness BEFORE repentance?

Look up these 2 phrases at the same time...

..."no repentance" + "no salvation".

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Repentance is NOT a "work".

Repentance was taught to ALL. Scripture CLEARLY states such.

Grace / mercy / forgiveness is recieved AFTER repentance.

The Grace "offered" prior to repentance does NOT give salvation.

Grace received AFTER repentance is what gives you salvation.

No repentance > no Grace > no Salvation.

When did the "Thief on the Cross" receive Grace?

AFTER he recognized Jesus as "going to His kingdom" AND he "admitted" his sins.

Period.

I'm done with you.

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The apostle Peter did not write the books of Peter. Do some research.

Always the rationalization looking to ignore Christ's Witness: "...Ye MUST Be Born-Again!" John 3:7...

When Born-Again, Father's Witness IS: "I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

"I Will Cause YOU To Walk In MY Statutes"...

The Concise Born-Again Witness... Ezk 36:26-27 NOTE that the chosen people REJECTED HIS Offer. The Witness to the chosen starts 2 verses earlier and basically concludes w/vs 28. Ezekiel IS Afterall an OT Book...

24. For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.


There is no "living under God's Grace" rather than The Law...

God's Grace Manifested Christ Jesus and The Word Unto Us.


Of course, without manifesting your heart, and Coming Unto The Father, you Remain Alienated From HIM...

Where's the "grace" in that?
Father's ONLY SON Gave HIS Life To Enable your Coming Unto The Father. HE IS (Paul Says) "The Propitiation for all sin". THIS ONLY MATTERS IF You Choose To "Come Unto The Father"...

Which you haven't!

Where is the "Grace" in Loving Christ and Father, but never manifesting your heart to Be Born-Again?


There's no Judgment "under The Law". The Chosen Rejected God's Covenant when they hung HIS Only Son on a tree...

There's NO WAY but the WAY Christ Enabled.
"...NO Man Cometh Unto The Father BUT BY ME!" John 14:6


To die (or live) w/o Coming Unto The Father is to SPURN Father's Invitation. While there may be some Grace extended to those who never were exposed to True witness, Jesus Says those who claim HIM but never Came Unto The Father will be Rejected...

So, just to be plain: Unless you are Born-Again, you aren't anything to God. Matt 7:21-23, Luke 13:22-28, Matt 22:1-14, Rev 3:15-17, Hebrews 12:5-10, 1st John 2:19

John Witnesses the alienation very concisely:
18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

27: But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.



"For many were Called, but few are Chosen!" Matt 22:14

Father CHOSE YOU when HE PUT Knowledge Of WHO Jesus IS on your heart. That's how you KNOW you were Called BY HIM...
Only A FEW, Jesus Says, will manifest their hearts and Come Unto The Father...

It's a very small few in this Laodicean church age, amigos...


Plainly Witnessed Right There in John 3:7 "...Ye MUST Be Born-Again!"; but you're not!


When God's Angel of Rev 14:7 Gives That Witness, The Age Of Faith and WAY UNTO The Father will have ended, been concluded... Once every living being on earth KNOWS because they heard God's Angel, there is no more Coming Unto HIM By Faith.


In-HIM and With-HIM; or on your own...
On your own will be a fearful place to be...

Maranatha!!!

One more phrase for you to look up.

"grace without repentance"

You breathe only by God grace.

Being saved by grace is being born again.

Thank you for letting us know most of the NY was written for nothing.

Please write another 1000 words to split hairs.

Btw you are the first human I met that can read another person's heart.

Get over yourself.

I am a blood bought born again Holy Spirit filled believer in that salvation is through Christ alone. The minute I believed I was sealed by the Holy Spirit until the time of redemption.

End of story.

You are very powerful to be able to add something to the perfect sacrifice of the almighty.

what's the layout of the Temple:

- you do realize there was the "court of the gentiles" section

even the goy could approach YHWH to a degree

God didn't die.

Jesus' human body died. Then was resurrected by Himself, by the Father's commandment TO Him to do such.

Grace if OFFERED to humans by the Father through His Son, but you don't receive it UNTIL you've repented.

Through Christ alone.

Romans 5 Amplified Bible (AMP)

Therefore, since we have been justified [that is, acquitted of sin, declared blameless before God] by faith, [let us grasp the fact that] we have peace with God [and the joy of reconciliation with Him] through our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed). 2 Through Him we also have access by faith into this [remarkable state of] grace in which we [firmly and safely and securely] stand. Let us rejoice in our [a]hope and the confident assurance of [experiencing and enjoying] the glory of [our great] God [the manifestation of His excellence and power].

Ephesians 1:13 Amplified Bible (AMP)

13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].

Repentance is the result of belief.

Yes, through Jesus is the only way.

What was the first thing He taught?

This letter, like all of Paul's in the Bible, was sent to a church that had already had the Good News preached to them.

They had ALREADY been taught to REPENT.

NO repentance = NO salvation.

Go ask any REAL Bible-teaching pastor.

Take a look on the 'Net. What's one of the biggest topics when it comes to modern church problems?

NO TEACHING of repentance.

Why would one even think about repentance if they have not yet believed.

That's like saying I ate sandwich and then became hungry.

What comes first? You meet a girl and make a lifelong commitment and then fall in love? Of course not, it's the other way around.

Falling in love with Christ (believing) cause one to have a desire to honor Revere and.....wait for it...

REPENT.

Sealed by the Holy Spirit upon believe. Period.

Born again upon believe.

A child of God upon belief.


The real question is does on have "saving belief".

Because until you do you are destined for destruction.

We are not worthy that's why we feel we have to do something first.

I'm happy with you trying g to earn your salvation if that please you.

Try not to wear yourself out or have too many sleepless nights.

But really it's ok with me. Just that mine was free.

Grace is not forgiveness.

Grace is undeserved kindness. When you get something you don't deserve.

Try Webster's dictionary.

So far you have revealed in your posts that:

You didn't know what grace is
You didn't know that Paul spoke to Jesus.
That Paul's ministry was the gentiles.
You didn't know there were 2 Gospels - the ones in Mathew Mark Luke and John, and then the ones after those 4 books.
What the law is - you said Paul was trying to put people under the law.
What works are.

Paul speaks more about saved by grace than any other writer in the Bible.

Maybe if you consider these things, you might find that just maybe, possibly somehow someway that the Word of God, especially in Romans and Ephesians could possibly be saying over and over we are saved by Grace alone. Just sayin.