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Message Subject Paul's Epistles are not THUS SAITH THE LORD Bible verses
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I don't know how you figure that the "church" wasn't born when Jesus was speaking. It's pretty easy to surmise that many of those who listened to and followed Jesus were the first ones to be baptised by the Apostles.

Jesus didn't turn away ANYONE.

The "crumbs" / pagan woman.
The centurion.
The Samaritans.

And Paul?

The very first folks he preached to were Hebrews.
AND many of the places he went to had Hebrew synagogues.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant




This scripture demonstrates 2 things
1 there were two gospels. One before Christ rose.
2 the church was born on Pentecost.

Acts 19 4-6

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.


5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 Quoting: Neenerner



ONE Gospel...

"The Church" was "born" when each Apostle followed The Lord.


ONE BASIS For Inclusion In Christ's Church.... Matt 16:13-20:
13. When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?"

14. And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?


16. And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.


**** 17. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.***


18. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.




The "Rock"/Foundation for Inclusion is:::: KNOWING WHO Jesus IS!


KNOWING WHO Jesus IS is your Invitation To The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son.... Matt 22:1-14
1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,


3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.




If you are not Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again; YOU HAVE NO Relationship With God!


Up to YOU To Decide That You Love & Trust The Father Totally and Completely and Give Unto HIM YOUR Life!

When we Choose-Elect to surrender our self-will and accept Father's Will for us, AND Take Action Telling HIM So; We Are Born-Again...
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

This IS my witness: What I Have Seen And Was Given To KNOW. I gave my life fully and completely Unto The Father and Received The Gifts HE Witnesses Of in Ezekiel 36:26-27.


St Paul witnesses that anyone who would Teach/Preach/Minister "Ought First BE A Partaker Of The Fruits" 2nd Timothy 2:6

Paul also witnesses about YOU HEBREWS 12 Bastards:
5. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6. For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8. But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10. For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

"Partakers Of HIS Holiness", "Partakers Of The Fruits"....

Paul was "broken" by God when he was knocked from his horse and blinded.

Brokenness is a condition of the heart which Enables us to decide that ONLY God Matters (If Father Put KNOWLEDGE Of WHO Christ Jesus IS Upon Your Heart).


Can't Recognize Paul as your Born-Again Brother? Then you aren't...

We either Accept Father's Chastisement and Guidance In Coming Unto HIM or we never do... Being Born-Again, we Praise HIM for all HIS Chastisement, Mercies, and Grace; for these And Christ Jesus' Sacrifice on calvary; Enabled Us To Come Unto HIM!

"...No man Cometh Unto The Father but BY ME!" John 14:6


If you would be HIS; NOW Is The Time To Tell HIM So!


Maranatha!!!
 Quoting: Lester


The text j shared speaks for itself. You are obviously welcome to budge as you wish.

Having said that, in your opinion in less than 10,000,000,000 words why were they baptized a 2nd time?

Are you saying the baptism of repentance which is what Jesus taught is the same as the baptism of grace?

I gotta here this one!
 Quoting: Neenerner




Also I should have said "the body of Christ" not the church although they are arguably the same.
 
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