Paul's Epistles are not THUS SAITH THE LORD Bible verses

The text j shared speaks for itself. You are obviously welcome to budge as you wish.

Having said that, in your opinion in less than 10,000,000,000 words why were they baptized a 2nd time?

Are you saying the baptism of repentance which is what Jesus taught is the same as the baptism of grace?

I gotta here this one!

Also I should have said "the body of Christ" not the church although they are arguably the same.

Words are so important......the more we nail them into the fabric of existence.......so often they dissolve as so much vapor.......

It is not written that The/Our Father gave Jesus "The Rev."....

God gave The Revelation of Jesus Christ .....TO JESUS CHRIST....the 1st begotten .....of many.....

this seems unimportant unless one desires the more offered to all...

God/The Elohim is the CREATOR.....recorded in Gen. 1 .....without our individual creation GIFT we ALL would receive NOTHING......

no gift of natural birth.......nothing exists

BIRTH from the creator/God/the Elohim/US allows for further growth for SEEKERS.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Rev. 1:1

God/creator gives the REV. to Jesus that he is the Christ....

He/Jesus showed his Servants/disciples........

He/Jesus sent by his ANGEL/messenger.....

Angel/messenger/message signified to JOHN......

1:2

John bares record of THE WORD......

and the testimony of Jesus Christ.....

and all things he/John saw.......


The Revelation of Jesus Christ IS NOT a story of natural event that change the SPIRIT of men......

it is a spiritual story of the awakening inside of a man that the reveals the 'truth of the way of life' which is

The Revelation of (WHO) Jesus Christ is.....

this same revelation that Jesus had is an opportunity for every man......as we GOT IT FROM GOD ..... since before the foundation.....of our world......OUR NATURAL BIRTH.....

we must become aware of the gift that resides 'within' all men....

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When was the body/ church born.

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not sure if you suggested for me or not ....but

Moses formed the 'body' in the desert from the males/females coming out of Egypt.

The body remained dead walking for the next 1500 years....as man walking alone and as dead without help met....

Jesus breathed life into the body that was dead and alone.....and the body went into "DEEP SLEEP" for the next 2000 years "2 days"....

NOW on the 3rd day the WOMAN/help met is 'FORMED' ..... the marriage/joining is at hand .....NOW

we are on the EVE/dusk/dawn of great birthings......

and

the CHILD is being BORN.......in every way ....MAN

The story begins.......

Genesis 49:27

Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil.



Romans 11:1

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.


Leviticus 11:29-31

These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind, And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole. These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.


1 Corinthians 9:19-22

For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.




Acts 9:26

And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.

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Shite, I could go on for days.

I would say this verse is similar to Acts CH 18...

Acts 18 will answer your question, that there were 2 baptisms that Paul is referring to here.

I will high-lite the important portions:

24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, an Alexandrian by race, an eloquent man, came to Ephesus. He was mighty in the Scriptures.

25This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus, although he knew only the baptism of John.

26He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside, and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

The debate continues/

Acts 12 12-14


12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.




The Spirit did not come until Pentecost. The Church body of Christ had to be born Pentecost or afterwards.

No matter what verses you folks put up, you STILL cannot get away from the fact that repentance is NEEDED BEFORE Grace is given.

Jesus' very first teaching was to "repent".

Matthew 4:17 (KJV) From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1:15 And saying*, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe* the gospel.

The message of Jesus' ministry was so important that the Father had John the Baptist "rattle their cages" ahead of time to "pave the way" for Jesus' ministry.

The key teaching by John the Baptist?

Matthew 3:2 and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!"

Jesus ALSO said....

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

The words "repent" & "repentance" were used 49 times in the New Testament....by EVERY single writer.

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The word "repented" is used 15 times in the NT

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John the Baptist's main teaching? Repent.
Jesus very FIRST teaching? Repent.
Peter's answer to the folks outside the upper room on the day of Pentecost? Repent and be baptised.

Finally, Jesus admonished folks who failed to repent.

Matthew 11 & Luke 10....

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repent just means stop doing things the wrong way.

Thread: Repentance - A Deeper Look - Definition of "Repent" & The Importance of Repentance

John the Baptist did not do another mikva , people did not worship God in Spirit, different times were about to come without the temple and sacrifices, different ancient form of worship was proclaimed.
" 21Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22“You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23“But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. "

No matter what verses you folks put up, you STILL cannot get away from the fact that repentance is NEEDED BEFORE Grace is given.

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repentance is understanding of what one does wrong, it is the first step to change. if you understand this: sin =
"1st, an error of the understanding (cf. Ackermann, Das Christl. im Plato, p. 59 Anm. 3 (English translation (S. R. Asbury, 1861), p. 57 n. 99)). 2nd, a bad action, evil deed. In the N. T. always in an ethical sense..." [link to biblehub.com (secure)] then you can understand 1 and 2 of repentance.

repentance of John the Baptist was of 1 - removing ignorance.

You have to post up a quote from a human to expalin your understanding of repentance?

I can go that route too.

When we, as humans, have harmed someone else, HOW do we receive forgiveness? By merely stopping the harmful acts / words?

Nope. We usually have to ask, with a contrite heart, FOR forgiveness.

Would you not agree that God and His Son MADE US in their image? If so then, how about "as above, so below"?

"forgive" occurs 28 times in 21 verses in the New Testament in the KJV

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God is looking for chamge of hearts, words is not what God is looking for. Our Changed consciousness is God's reward as well as ours.

We aren't completely "changed" until we have repented and accepted Jesus as Lord.

Your version of repentance - turning away - doesn't accomplish that.

14"For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves.15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,"
This is THE PRINCIPLE, Jesus is archetype of this principle. Jesus is One with opened eyes so, we must follow Him to be acceptable by the Father.

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Paul Witnesses THIS in Hebrews 12:5-10.

By my witness, THIS is WHY you find endless debate over matters you KNOW Nothing about... Why Do The Heathen Rage? Might as well restate as "Why do the Laodicean Rage?"

5. And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6. For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8. But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.


9. Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10. For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.


No Born-Agains, No Partakers Of HIS Holiness on this thread...

Why? Because the Bible-jocks on this thread are unwilling (or unable?) to Seek With Their Heart... Thus remaining "workers of iniquity" (meaning followers of self-will), you Seek ONLY Rationalization For Your Conjecture, Including Your Imaginations About God...

Christ Witnesses about you all in Matt 13:11-15. It's WHY HE Doesn't Witness Plainly but used parables...
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

You aren't Born-Again because you can't HEAR/SEE The Gospel through your heart! You have NO Heart For God! You SEEK with your intellect... Persons like you, Jesus Says, HE Don't Want To Understand HIS Witness: "Lest they be converted and I should (have) to Heal Them"...


You're Hebrews 12 Bastards...
You Don't LOVE God, although you Claim To...
Your "love" For HIM is just lip service.
All you care about is Self.

You expect God to conform to your beliefs and rationalizations. "Workers of Iniquity"...

All the effort and time spent in your life to rationalize why God is WHO and What You Want HIM To BE...

Pathetically, you're unwilling to just Let God BE God... You're unwilling to Trust HIM
You're "belief" is limited by your minimal Acceptance

Your life is evidently some kind of game, like a locked room mystery. You think you can figure it all out, and once you do EVERYTHING About God will just Fall Into Place, because: Oh! You So Smart!

Well you're fucking Not!

What You ARE Doing is playing god!
It's the carnal-heart at its Best!
(Nothing "good" about being carnal-hearted.)

Bastards, not Sons...
Of course, as workers of iniquity, you haven't the self-honesty to admit you put yourself and your intellect above God... Sorry, but that's what the carnal-heart does and it's WHY We MUST BE Born-Again!

Ol' Lester.... accuser and enemy to "good" Christians everywhere! So your carnality rationalizes.


Unwilliing to accept Chastisement and Guidance From The Father; no reason for you to consider what I witness to you here.... Unable to SEE/HEAR The Gospel, Unwilling to Trust God Completely and Fully BECAUSE YOU Put Self Above God!

The Reality IS: Father Chastises and Corrects ALL Of Us who became Partakers Of HIS Holiness! Yet, YOU Cannot Accept HIM On HIS Terms..

If you read Scripture to rationalize your selfishness and self-will, what you find is what you look for...

Without a heart which is OPEN To God and able to Acknowledge ALL HE IS and All You Are Not, you are simply living a dysfunctional life of denial.


Pretty Simple, Really! Trusting God...
Just have to admit that you're NOT HIM! And Accept that HIS Omnipotence and Almighty-ness is not your province either...

Were you God, EVERYTHING About You Would BE PERFECT! Of course, it's not. You Don't even Understand The Bible...

God IS Everlasting unlike you who must face death...
Dying is not an attribute of Being Perfect...


Sadly, so many will do as you all are doing here, spend their time arguing about God, and what you expect of HIM rather than Acting On Their Belief and Faith to Come Unto The Father and Be Born-Again.


Bastards, not Sons....
"Depart from ME, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT!"
Matt 7:23

Accepting Christ means NOTHING!

HE IS Redeemer and Saviour whether you accept HIM or not...

We are only "changed" when Father Gives Us "A New Heart Of HIS Flesh". This happens when we Come Unto The Father and ARE Born-Again.

26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Ezekiel 36:26-27 is The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life!


If "accepting Jesus" mattered, and it doesn't; WHY Would Christ REJECT those who "Did Mighty Works, Cast-Out demons, and Prophesied In HIS Name" from Matt 7:21-23???
Everything They DID, they did IN HIS Name!
Does someone who hasn't accepted Christ do anything In HIS Name?


21. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

22. Many will say to me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"

23. And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."


Might just observe that when we are Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, Father Enables us to DO HIS Will... This ties to Matt 7:21, Jesus' ONLY KNOWING Those WHO DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER...

For all your belief and trust in "acceptance" Of Jesus, you are unable to Accept or Trust God!


Bastards, not Sons...

Unwilling to let God BE God...
Unwilling to Trust HIM Fully...


Yet, you (all) spread your self-willed conjecture.
The poison of Laodicea...

The fact is that Paul's words DO cause confusion in the body of Christ. Bible believing, Christ-loving Christians get stumped by some of Paul's scriptures. God, however, kept him in Canon, He wrote most of the NT, and God used Paul to spread the Gospel, so we can't deny the work of the Lord through Paul. I think Paul had a hard job, coming from his Pharisee background and deep education. Even the churches despised him and ran him off!

I also believe he had an inferiority complex and deep guilt, as people in his day KNEW he wasn't one of the 12 apostles. He always tried to justify his position and authority in Christ. God chose imperfect men to write the bible, especially with Paul. That's what we have to remember, as much as we don't care for some of Paul's writings. I think Paul was chosen in part, so that he could expertly integrate OT scripture with the NT, as he was an expert on the OT. I also think Paul was chosen to show each of us that anyone can be saved, even the persecutors of the brethren.

The Apostle Peter BELIEVED PAUL and

WARNED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WOULD TWIST

PAUL’S WORDS.

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Jesus had two 3 year ministries... one on earth, to the priesthood, under the law, to set up the priesthood and kingdom and the priesthood was to preach "the gospel of the kingdom" throughout the uttermost parts of the world...they rejected this...

and one 3 year ministry with Paul from heaven, revealing the doctrines of the dispensation of grace, a mystery, which was keep secret in GOD since the foundations of the world... without Paul, there's no such thing as a Christian and the gentile world would be lost and without hope...

I dare say that the Bible and the word of mouth testimonies that came about in the first 4 centuries did far more than Paul did.

Paul only set up a few small congregations. His epistles were ALL to groups that he had already taught.

Paul was chosen to be sent to the gentiles, but yet he ALWAYS went to synagogues wherever he went.

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Damascus Acts 9:20
Salamis Acts 13:5
Antioch Acts 13:14
Iconium Acts 14:1
Thessalonica Acts 17:1
Berea Acts 17:10
Athens Acts 17:16
Corinth Acts 18:4
Ephesus Acts 18:19

Jesus sent ALL of the Apostles to the "entire world".

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them....

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Matthew supposedly went as far as Ethiopia
Thomas to India
Peter supposedly went to Rome

Jesus main mission was to Israel, but yet He didn't refuse Gentiles.

...the Centurian
...the Caananite woman / "bread crumbs from the table"
...the Samaritans

Even the Old Testament has several mentions about gentiles becoming "Believers". Check these...

Isaiah 2 42 49 52 54 60 61 62 66
Malachi 1:11 & 2:10
Psalms 148
Joel 2:32

Finally, the "tongues" incident at Pentecost shown in Acts 2 gave the disciples linguistic knowledge to preach the gospel to whomever AND wherever they went.

so youre saying the bible is wrong?

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