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Is PTSD a pussy excuse?

 
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I'm just to trying to figure out why it was not a big issue, or evil crimes committed under the guise of PTSD in the previous two major world wars...
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Two reasons ...first, we use to take the crazies of the street, second we just used other excuse...personal responsibility verses it’s societies fault
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I agree.
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Personal responsibility would be you fight your own war. Not other people....


If you want to talk about personal responsibility big tough guy. You go to war. Not your neighbor for you. As you bang his wife while his gone probably you are likely that GUY. When he comes home and has a meltdown call him the pussy.
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Surely you were not directing that towards me? But if so please go back and read the rest of the thread and don,t assume, sometimes it’s better to be quiet and let people think you’re stupid, than open your mouth and remove all doubt
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It's effing real. I know for sure but do not want to speak on the details.


I experienced something in november of 2007 that still f's with me, and it's always from an unexpected source that gives you the rush of previous fear/emotion/experience. What i experienced is nothing compared to what people in war experience. PTSD is real and while many trends are result of people being too mentally weak to control themselves, PTSD is way different and should not be in the same category as 'pu$$y' or 'excuse'
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An excuse to do whatever you want
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An excuse to do whatever you want
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PTSD can be caused by more then just combat/war type situations.

Also....

Anyone here ever try EMDR for PTSD.

I would love to hear if you got relief from your symptoms.


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I didn't think it was curable.


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I didn't think it was curable.


Distraction is the only relief.
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only relief can come from within with a re-analyzation and re-defining of the trauma or its purpose. Once one can rationalize their experience, they can move forward.

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I dont recall my grandfather acting like pussy when he came back from WWII after dealing with hand to hand combat in the south Pacific. Or my other grandfather during the battle of Berlin / European theater. Nor my my great uncle who fought in Korea, nor other family members who fought in Vietnam and watched comrades vaporize in red mist....


Sounds like a pussy excuse...
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I know some pretty tough people..Some who killed civilians because they were told to, some who killed both combatants and civilians and some plain soldiers who killed other soldiers.

It seesm to me the survivability of the mind depends on context and timing. If you leave an ordainary life, experience trauma and you are 'all in it together' and then you return to your normal life, then that helps alot for people to cope the effects of the great war, or any war for that matter.

What is a problem now is that people are re-inserted into hellish conditions and then are back with their families and so it goes on. This can be grinding and traumatic for some.. Modern Warfare.

America, like most places was a great place to come home to. The optomism of the 50's, growth, babies, famlies and a faith in what they had done was RIGHT and virtuous.

The demographics of war have changed and generally evn though the specialist servicemen and SF are in a vocation in these roles, even then it can be difficult

All the people I know suffer differently, or not at all. But all of them are extremely tough and professional and are not 'pussies'

This why every 6 hours or so a veteran takes their own life and even for the generation you talk about, there were very many casulties. A lot of men who returned to loving homes would not recount their experiences because they were able to control the mechanism's that prevented trauma spilling out into their minds and this was one way of controlling that trauma. Many ex-sevicemen cannott do that today because so much has changed.
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PTSD can be caused by more then just combat/war type situations.

Also....

Anyone here ever try EMDR for PTSD.

I would love to hear if you got relief from your symptoms.


Thanks!
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My last psychopherapist laughed and said... "Whale sounds, scented candles and mindfullness ain't going to cut it with you is it?"
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That's good.
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I dont recall my grandfather acting like pussy when he came back from WWII after dealing with hand to hand combat in the south Pacific. Or my other grandfather during the battle of Berlin / European theater. Nor my my great uncle who fought in Korea, nor other family members who fought in Vietnam and watched comrades vaporize in red mist....


Sounds like a pussy excuse...
 Quoting: Bond, James Bond


I know some pretty tough people..Some who killed civilians because they were told to, some who killed both combatants and civilians and some plain soldiers who killed other soldiers.

It seesm to me the survivability of the mind depends on context and timing. If you leave an ordainary life, experience trauma and you are 'all in it together' and then you return to your normal life, then that helps alot for people to cope the effects of the great war, or any war for that matter.

What is a problem now is that people are re-inserted into hellish conditions and then are back with their families and so it goes on. This can be grinding and traumatic for some.. Modern Warfare.

America, like most places was a great place to come home to. The optomism of the 50's, growth, babies, famlies and a faith in what they had done was RIGHT and virtuous.

The demographics of war have changed and generally evn though the specialist servicemen and SF are in a vocation in these roles, even then it can be difficult

All the people I know suffer differently, or not at all. But all of them are extremely tough and professional and are not 'pussies'

This why every 6 hours or so a veteran takes their own life and even for the generation you talk about, there were very many casulties. A lot of men who returned to loving homes would not recount their experiences because they were able to control the mechanism's that prevented trauma spilling out into their minds and this was one way of controlling that trauma. Many ex-sevicemen cannott do that today because so much has changed.
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Great explanation. Thanks.
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As a Desert Storm veteran who has a disability rating for PTSD from my time in Saudi I can assure you that PTSD is very real ...

still, it is no excuse for killing / harming others ...

Like most others who do these things, the Thousand Oaks shooter was most likely a low-GT score 0311 (grunt) --

stupid people are naturally violent and unable to reason.
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As a Desert Storm veteran who has a disability rating for PTSD from my time in Saudi I can assure you that PTSD is very real ...

still, it is no excuse for killing / harming others ...

Like most others who do these things, the Thousand Oaks shooter was most likely a low-GT score 0311 (grunt) --

stupid people are naturally violent and unable to reason.
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Oh, yes.
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You sound cruel.
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... read that those HIGH ENERGY DRINKS used to stay awake and ACTIVE might be bringing it on? ...
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The military’s obsession with energy drinks is contributing to PTSD, study finds

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But while consuming these drinks may not hurt service members in their wallets, excessive use may very well be contributing to long-term mental and physical ailments, a recent study in the Military Medicine journal observed.

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That's interesting. Sleep deprivation?
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... read that those HIGH ENERGY DRINKS used to stay awake and ACTIVE might be bringing it on? ...
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The military’s obsession with energy drinks is contributing to PTSD, study finds

[link to www.militarytimes.com (secure)]

But while consuming these drinks may not hurt service members in their wallets, excessive use may very well be contributing to long-term mental and physical ailments, a recent study in the Military Medicine journal observed.
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Wow... so perhaps PTSD has been around but drugs and chems are changing how people deal with it, over older generations?
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So should a pretest be done to see if a person can handle heavy combat before signing up for military duty?
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Every Marine pray this is implemented. It’s rediculous some of the people I served with should have never been in active combat. I am lucky that weed cures me.
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So should a pretest be done to see if a person can handle heavy combat before signing up for military duty?
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Every Marine pray this is implemented. It’s rediculous some of the people I served with should have never been in active combat. I am lucky that weed cures me.
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Worst PART. MOST OF THE PEOPLE UNFIT FOR ACTIVE COMBAT ARE FUCKING OFFICERS.
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Two reasons ...first, we use to take the crazies of the street, second we just used other excuse...personal responsibility verses it’s societies fault
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I agree.
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Personal responsibility would be you fight your own war. Not other people....


If you want to talk about personal responsibility big tough guy. You go to war. Not your neighbor for you. As you bang his wife while his gone probably you are likely that GUY. When he comes home and has a meltdown call him the pussy.
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Surely you were not directing that towards me? But if so please go back and read the rest of the thread and don,t assume, sometimes it’s better to be quiet and let people think you’re stupid, than open your mouth and remove all doubt
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The truth is none of us know each other. Even in my own home nobody knows me. Everybody sits in front of the tv nobody even talks to anybody.

If you are not THAT guy there are enough of them in this world to be who (what) i was talking about. If you are not that guy and are confident enough in who and what you are nothing to take personally, right?

You aren't a snowflake are ya? ;) LOL LOL
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dumbass, I can tell you're a fucktard that has diarrhea of the mouth and talks nothing but bullshit, so let me set your ass straight. IF anyone in your family ever served, which I highly doubt, especially in Vietnam, they most likely had pussy pencil pushing jobs. You see OP, real men actually fight and kill in a war. They see the most fucking disgusting stuff ever seen. They see children blow to bits. They see sheep entering their camp with explosives strapped to them. They see their best buddies DIE! So OP...FUCK OFF and shut your fucking pussy mouth before I shut it for you.

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Fuck you. I've seen people blown apart you dumb cunt. So has my family. Out of an entire company my grandfather and a couple of others survived the onslaught of Japanese. So go fuck yourself... or how about shit tons of dead in burning in berlin. Which my other grandfather has pics of and guarded/interogated Hermann Goring during the Nuremberg trials...

So once again go fuck yourself cunt.
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... read that those HIGH ENERGY DRINKS used to stay awake and ACTIVE might be bringing it on? ...
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The military’s obsession with energy drinks is contributing to PTSD, study finds

[link to www.militarytimes.com (secure)]

But while consuming these drinks may not hurt service members in their wallets, excessive use may very well be contributing to long-term mental and physical ailments, a recent study in the Military Medicine journal observed.
 Quoting: wisconsin





Wow... so perhaps PTSD has been around but drugs and chems are changing how people deal with it, over older generations?
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As I said previously, many demographics have changed, but generally circumstances of engagment and modern warefare are an isolating experience as the country is not with you.

An old hand I know had the license your avatar suggest's and used it to its fullest extent in the 70's. Because of what he did, in the way he did it, he was isolated in a construct all of the deep states creation. Every night he goes to sleep with heavy rock music playing through his headphones and every night he wakes screaming because of what he did to whome.
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Watch First Blood OP

But seriously...

My uncle (yep, and uncle story) was in 'Nam. He was in one of those boats that cruised up and down the rivers. When they got shot at they would call in for air strikes. He had two Purple Hearts. Like others here have said, they didn't have the term PTSD yet and he didn't try to get treated for shell-shock or anything - but he couldn't even go watch fireworks on the 4th of July.
Maybe he WAS a pussy and just didn't want to go sit in the grass for 5 hrs with his family, LOL. No - he was definitely not a pussy and never tried to get benefits.

I did my 5 yrs in the Navy during GWOT. I repaired jets. I was on a carrier for 7 months. Graveyard shift so I worked 6pm to 6am. Not many people are allowed on the deck during flight ops so you had to be on top of your game. Nothing "traumatic" ever happened, but it was very stressful.
Lack of sleep because jets are landing above you all day. Pressure to get every jet in the air with no mechanical failures. Constantly watching for turning props and jet blast. Doing a final check on the jets before we launched them off the cats.
Then when flight ops were over we had to get all jets ready for day shift to launch them.
This was my job so I'm not bitching. Just saying it was stressful and I still occasionally feel stress about it ten years later. This is the only place I've told that to and I would certainly never try to get benefits.

I can see how combat PTSD is no pussy excuse. In fact I'd have serious questions about a person who didn't have it.
I have no doubt that there are people who take advantage of it and in their case, yep - probably a pussy excuse.

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Watch First Blood OP

But seriously...

My uncle (yep, and uncle story) was in 'Nam. He was in one of those boats that cruised up and down the rivers. When they got shot at they would call in for air strikes. He had two Purple Hearts. Like others here have said, they didn't have the term PTSD yet and he didn't try to get treated for shell-shock or anything - but he couldn't even go watch fireworks on the 4th of July.
Maybe he WAS a pussy and just didn't want to go sit in the grass for 5 hrs with his family, LOL. No - he was definitely not a pussy and never tried to get benefits.

I did my 5 yrs in the Navy during GWOT. I repaired jets. I was on a carrier for 7 months. Graveyard shift so I worked 6pm to 6am. Not many people are allowed on the deck during flight ops so you had to be on top of your game. Nothing "traumatic" ever happened, but it was very stressful.
Lack of sleep because jets are landing above you all day. Pressure to get every jet in the air with no mechanical failures. Constantly watching for turning props and jet blast. Doing a final check on the jets before we launched them off the cats.
Then when flight ops were over we had to get all jets ready for day shift to launch them.
This was my job so I'm not bitching. Just saying it was stressful and I still occasionally feel stress about it ten years later. This is the only place I've told that to and I would certainly never try to get benefits.

I can see how combat PTSD is no pussy excuse. In fact I'd have serious questions about a person who didn't have it.
I have no doubt that there are people who take advantage of it and in their case, yep - probably a pussy excuse.

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I agree combat is different. I know guys who were maintenance/delivery, never saw combat but get VA benefits for PTSD, which is pussy...
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I agree combat is different. I know guys who were maintenance/delivery, never saw combat but get VA benefits for PTSD, which is pussy...
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Exactly - not much respect for those guys :(

Another reason not to admit to it just for benefits - didn't Obama make it so you can't buy a gun if you have PTSD? I know there was talk about it but don't remember if that ever went through. If so I hope Trump reverses that shit. There are several levels to PTSD - not just "He's about to lose it and go crazy!"

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I bet you’re one of those mealinials, aren’t ya boy? Never served a day in war, did ya?
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I think not...
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I agree combat is different. I know guys who were maintenance/delivery, never saw combat but get VA benefits for PTSD, which is pussy...
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Exactly - not much respect for those guys :(

Another reason not to admit to it just for benefits - didn't Obama make it so you can't buy a gun if you have PTSD? I know there was talk about it but don't remember if that ever went through. If so I hope Trump reverses that shit. There are several levels to PTSD - not just "He's about to lose it and go crazy!"

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Yep, which is a concern a marine buddy of mine has.
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I agree combat is different. I know guys who were maintenance/delivery, never saw combat but get VA benefits for PTSD, which is pussy...
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Exactly - not much respect for those guys :(

Another reason not to admit to it just for benefits - didn't Obama make it so you can't buy a gun if you have PTSD? I know there was talk about it but don't remember if that ever went through. If so I hope Trump reverses that shit. There are several levels to PTSD - not just "He's about to lose it and go crazy!"

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Yep, which is a concern a marine buddy of mine has.
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The VA is reporting these people without telling them.
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I agree combat is different. I know guys who were maintenance/delivery, never saw combat but get VA benefits for PTSD, which is pussy...
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Exactly - not much respect for those guys :(

Another reason not to admit to it just for benefits - didn't Obama make it so you can't buy a gun if you have PTSD? I know there was talk about it but don't remember if that ever went through. If so I hope Trump reverses that shit. There are several levels to PTSD - not just "He's about to lose it and go crazy!"

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Yep, which is a concern a marine buddy of mine has.
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The VA is reporting these people without telling them.
 Quoting: Bond, James Bond


Yeah - that shit pisses me off! I'm getting triggered just thinking about it - where's my safe space??? Ah, there it is... near my gun safe.

Seriously though - that is bullshit.

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I guess the purpose of this thread was to differentiate why the older generations who fought, hand to hand in some cases, came home, held a job, a family, and you never heard about PTSD and these guys wigging out killing people.

Today, combat is real, but I venture only in rare circumstances would it qualify for what was seen in wwi, wwii, Korea, etc.

So why the huge PTSD card being played now and all these horrific crimes being tagged with this as some type of pussy cop out excuse?