So now texting the swastika is illegal? 14yr old gets arrested for texting it. | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73106219 United States 11/13/2018 06:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now I understand the negative connotations of the symbol but in a world where we are told that you can take back the negative to help it lose power, the swastika seems to be a symbol that is untouchable in that realm. We as a society worldwide have become so afraid of pictures that we fear them and the sight of them. We try to erase what we don't like because it may offend but we forget its history. |
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Pat_McCrotch User ID: 76909324 United States 11/13/2018 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OAK PARK, Ill. – A student at Oak Park River Forest high school has been charged after several other students were sent an image of a swastika on their phones. Quoting: Banana Fighter Police said a 14-year-old was charged with dissemination of an obscene message. [link to wgntv.com (secure)] I find it disgusting that this child was arrested and tried for any crime. An image of a symbol is not obscene. Let alone a historic symbol. Let's take a look at what the actual Ill. law says; 135/1. Transmission of obscene messages prohibited Any person in this State who sends messages or uses language or terms which are obscene, lewd or immoral with the intent to offend by means of or while using a telephone or telegraph facilities, equipment or wires of any person, firm or corporation engaged in the transmission of news or messages between states or within the State of Illinois is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor. The use of language or terms which are obscene, lewd or immoral is prima facie evidence of the intent to offend. [link to www.womenslaw.org (secure)] Clearly this law was designed for sex crimes not for images of symbols. The law is being applied distortedly to go after this child and threaten anyone else who may send a text image of something that may offend someone. So what is the history of the swastika? The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika: "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck. Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II. We are all aware that the Germans used the swastika but do we really know WHY they used it? In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history. By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League. In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society. That law is unconstitutional and violates the 1st amendment Pat_McCrotch :chuckle: |
Bush Master User ID: 73136634 United States 11/13/2018 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's crazy. Ruining that kids life. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73106219 United States 11/13/2018 07:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OAK PARK, Ill. – A student at Oak Park River Forest high school has been charged after several other students were sent an image of a swastika on their phones. Quoting: Banana Fighter Police said a 14-year-old was charged with dissemination of an obscene message. [link to wgntv.com (secure)] I find it disgusting that this child was arrested and tried for any crime. An image of a symbol is not obscene. Let alone a historic symbol. Let's take a look at what the actual Ill. law says; 135/1. Transmission of obscene messages prohibited Any person in this State who sends messages or uses language or terms which are obscene, lewd or immoral with the intent to offend by means of or while using a telephone or telegraph facilities, equipment or wires of any person, firm or corporation engaged in the transmission of news or messages between states or within the State of Illinois is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor. The use of language or terms which are obscene, lewd or immoral is prima facie evidence of the intent to offend. [link to www.womenslaw.org (secure)] Clearly this law was designed for sex crimes not for images of symbols. The law is being applied distortedly to go after this child and threaten anyone else who may send a text image of something that may offend someone. So what is the history of the swastika? The word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika: "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. Until the Nazis used this symbol, the swastika was used by many cultures throughout the past 3,000 years to represent life, sun, power, strength, and good luck. Even in the early twentieth century, the swastika was still a symbol with positive connotations. For instance, the swastika was a common decoration that often adorned cigarette cases, postcards, coins, and buildings. During World War I, the swastika could even be found on the shoulder patches of the American 45th Division and on the Finnish air force until after World War II. We are all aware that the Germans used the swastika but do we really know WHY they used it? In the 1800s, countries around Germany were growing much larger, forming empires; yet Germany was not a unified country until 1871. To counter the feeling of vulnerability and the stigma of youth, German nationalists in the mid-nineteenth century began to use the swastika, because it had ancient Aryan/Indian origins, to represent a long Germanic/Aryan history. By the end of the nineteenth century, the swastika could be found on nationalist German volkisch periodicals and was the official emblem of the German Gymnasts' League. In the beginning of the twentieth century, the swastika was a common symbol of German nationalism and could be found in a multitude of places such as the emblem for the Wandervogel, a German youth movement; on Joerg Lanz von Liebenfels' antisemitic periodical Ostara; on various Freikorps units; and as an emblem of the Thule Society. That law is unconstitutional and violates the 1st amendment Most certainly it is. I am interested in how they think they can apply that law to this kid. |
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Iceman2 User ID: 40158736 United States 11/13/2018 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Should we charge the navy with the same crime? Naval Amphibious Base Coronado Barracks [link to youtu.be (secure)] |
BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 11/13/2018 07:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now I understand the negative connotations of the symbol but in a world where we are told that you can take back the negative to help it lose power, the swastika seems to be a symbol that is untouchable in that realm. Quoting: Banana Fighter We as a society worldwide have become so afraid of pictures that we fear them and the sight of them. We try to erase what we don't like because it may offend but we forget its history. It was a nagger school lol think! I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73106219 United States 11/13/2018 07:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the details. The swastika has been used as a world wide trigger for 80 years. Quoting: R&y Was it used by the globalists by design or was it one of the "never let a crisis go to waste"? Everyone gets triggered by the swastika because of world war II yet they don't get triggered by Iran? Fun fact; Before it was called Iran it was Persia. It was changed during the war in honor of Hitler and his cause. What was his cause? To bring the aryan race to power. Iran was a world used by the people at the time and still today. It roughly means "Land of the Aryans" or "Kingdom of the Aryans" So Iran is literally named for the race of people Hitler wanted to rule the world. Yet we don't seem to triggered by that do we? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73106219 United States 11/13/2018 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now I understand the negative connotations of the symbol but in a world where we are told that you can take back the negative to help it lose power, the swastika seems to be a symbol that is untouchable in that realm. Quoting: Banana Fighter We as a society worldwide have become so afraid of pictures that we fear them and the sight of them. We try to erase what we don't like because it may offend but we forget its history. It was a nagger school lol think! You mean a school filled with the same people who use the N-word on their own so they can take back its meaning and power over them? Yup. Sounds right. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73106219 United States 11/13/2018 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Should we charge the navy with the same crime? Quoting: Iceman2 Naval Amphibious Base Coronado Barracks [link to youtu.be (secure)] They know what the real symbol stands for. No one built that without knowing what they were doing. They make mock up models before they build. You can't tell me they didn't notice it. |
BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 11/13/2018 07:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now I understand the negative connotations of the symbol but in a world where we are told that you can take back the negative to help it lose power, the swastika seems to be a symbol that is untouchable in that realm. Quoting: Banana Fighter We as a society worldwide have become so afraid of pictures that we fear them and the sight of them. We try to erase what we don't like because it may offend but we forget its history. It was a nagger school lol think! You mean a school filled with the same people who use the N-word on their own so they can take back its meaning and power over them? Yup. Sounds right. Yes, logic doesn't enter the nagger mind as is does a person with an IQ above 80. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73106219 United States 11/13/2018 07:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now I understand the negative connotations of the symbol but in a world where we are told that you can take back the negative to help it lose power, the swastika seems to be a symbol that is untouchable in that realm. Quoting: Banana Fighter We as a society worldwide have become so afraid of pictures that we fear them and the sight of them. We try to erase what we don't like because it may offend but we forget its history. It was a nagger school lol think! You mean a school filled with the same people who use the N-word on their own so they can take back its meaning and power over them? Yup. Sounds right. Yes, logic doesn't enter the nagger mind as is does a person with an IQ above 80. 80 seems generous. |
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BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 11/13/2018 07:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You mean a school filled with the same people who use the N-word on their own so they can take back its meaning and power over them? Yup. Sounds right. Yes, logic doesn't enter the nagger mind as is does a person with an IQ above 80. 80 seems generous. Everyone says that, but it's a statistical fact... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 11/13/2018 07:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. Just like saying bomb is not illegal but yelling it pretty much anywhere crowded is. Texting a swastika is not illegal. Period. Airdropping it in a NAGGER school may be illegal! I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73106219 United States 11/13/2018 07:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Banana Fighter You mean a school filled with the same people who use the N-word on their own so they can take back its meaning and power over them? Yup. Sounds right. Yes, logic doesn't enter the nagger mind as is does a person with an IQ above 80. 80 seems generous. Everyone says that, but it's a statistical fact... I know. I have looked it up. I still think giving them 80 is to high though. I have been on world star. 80 seems like 40 points to high. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73106219 United States 11/13/2018 07:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. Just like saying bomb is not illegal but yelling it pretty much anywhere crowded is. Texting a swastika is not illegal. Period. Airdropping it in a NAGGER school may be illegal! No. I don't see how it could be. Their feelings don't trump his rights. It's rude and ill advised but not illegal. They just want to make an example of this kid so they can scare anyone who doesn't think like them. |
BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 11/13/2018 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Illegal? Is that a threat? I think so. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 11/13/2018 07:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. Just like saying bomb is not illegal but yelling it pretty much anywhere crowded is. Texting a swastika is not illegal. Period. Airdropping it in a NAGGER school may be illegal! No. I don't see how it could be. Their feelings don't trump his rights. It's rude and ill advised but not illegal. They just want to make an example of this kid so they can scare anyone who doesn't think like them. The kid wanted to incite panic...which could have injured people I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 11/13/2018 07:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Dean of students should make a swastika with staples in a wooden paddle and whoop that kids bare ass, with nurse and parents present... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Timur2020 User ID: 72498487 United States 11/13/2018 07:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sue. Its bogus. Only socialists and communists play dumb childish games like that. We don't need that mentality imposed on US, the childishness and infringement is already bad enough. "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind" Covid, fake riots, communist organizers - keep your powder dry America. This was not the disease or the riots, those both are still on down the line. Garden garden grow spices and medical plants too. I am a VeterAid volunteer for Arrogant Mushroom Healers of Alamogordo. |
BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 11/13/2018 07:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know that gut feeling you get when you want to do something hilarious but you know you'd go to jail for it? That kid ignored his lol I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
BRIEF User ID: 39607259 United States 11/13/2018 07:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if he airdropped a pic of a gun or bomb to everyone there?? It's an intentional act to incite a reaction...no good can come from allowing this shit. I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |