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Glitch in the system

 
*Siberia*  (OP)

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Hey there hi
:-)

How's going ?
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Depressed as fuck, but what's weird is this feels better than what I had before.

truestory

Are you guys doing okay?
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos


Well to be honest in here... am not depressed but i have a feeling of disappointment today.
But i guess it will go away as soon as i'll focus on something so that i'll send that feeling in the background to transform to something else :-)

Why depressed if i may ask ?
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Well, I had a ton of shit I was carrying and it made feel like me.

Now I've just got this clean suit that I'm gonna have to break in..

Have you ever broken in tights?

Unpleasant.. chuckle

Have a good day. hf
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



Hahahahaha :-)
Tiiiiights :-)))
That reminded me of that scene in Megamind movie where the Titan suit is gifted to the guy and the guy calls it Tighten laugh

You need some ballet classes... and a scene in the Nutcracker movie.
You're killing me chuckle

Have a great and funny day - and kick that depression away :-)
hf
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Depressed as fuck, but what's weird is this feels better than what I had before.

truestory

Are you guys doing okay?
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos


Well to be honest in here... am not depressed but i have a feeling of disappointment today.
But i guess it will go away as soon as i'll focus on something so that i'll send that feeling in the background to transform to something else :-)

Why depressed if i may ask ?
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Well, I had a ton of shit I was carrying and it made feel like me.

Now I've just got this clean suit that I'm gonna have to break in..

Have you ever broken in tights?

Unpleasant.. chuckle

Have a good day. hf
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



Hahahahaha :-)
Tiiiiights :-)))
That reminded me of that scene in Megamind movie where the Titan suit is gifted to the guy and the guy calls it Tighten laugh

You need some ballet classes... and a scene in the Nutcracker movie.
You're killing me chuckle

Have a great and funny day - and kick that depression away :-)
hf
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Hell no, if you knew what I was carrying before you'd have a depression party with me.

chuckle

Wait...
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Hell no, if you knew what I was carrying before you'd have a depression party with me.

chuckle

Wait...
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*waiting... waiting... waiting... *

Oh, c'mon !

chuckle

Tell me ! t'was an elephant ?
c'mon....
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Hell no, if you knew what I was carrying before you'd have a depression party with me.

chuckle

Wait...
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



*waiting... waiting... waiting... *

Oh, c'mon !

chuckle

Tell me ! t'was an elephant ?
c'mon....
 Quoting: *Siberia*


laugh
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Hell no, if you knew what I was carrying before you'd have a depression party with me.

chuckle

Wait...
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*waiting... waiting... waiting... *

Oh, c'mon !

chuckle

Tell me ! t'was an elephant ?
c'mon....
 Quoting: *Siberia*


laugh
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



am patient :-)
like an elephant floating in a lotus chuckle
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This tread needs some of them utube videos..

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Hell no, if you knew what I was carrying before you'd have a depression party with me.

chuckle

Wait...
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



*waiting... waiting... waiting... *

Oh, c'mon !

chuckle

Tell me ! t'was an elephant ?
c'mon....
 Quoting: *Siberia*


laugh
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



am patient :-)
like an elephant floating in a lotus chuckle
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Good, you're going to need it.

You chose this, but we're in it together.

peace
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*waiting... waiting... waiting... *

Oh, c'mon !

chuckle

Tell me ! t'was an elephant ?
c'mon....
 Quoting: *Siberia*


laugh
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



am patient :-)
like an elephant floating in a lotus chuckle
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Good, you're going to need it.

You chose this, but we're in it together.

peace
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



We'll be ok... you'll see... no matter all the shit rain that will pour on us - i have a scary pink umbrella, hahaha chuckle


tiphat 4 mister Tights
:-)
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laugh
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am patient :-)
like an elephant floating in a lotus chuckle
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Good, you're going to need it.

You chose this, but we're in it together.

peace
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



We'll be ok... you'll see... no matter all the shit rain that will pour on us - i have a scary pink umbrella, hahaha chuckle


tiphat 4 mister Tights
:-)
 Quoting: *Siberia*


That's your problem, you keep writing in "happily ever after" once you get scared.

It's cool, just keep writing. chuckle

hf
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laugh
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



am patient :-)
like an elephant floating in a lotus chuckle
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Good, you're going to need it.

You chose this, but we're in it together.

peace
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



We'll be ok... you'll see... no matter all the shit rain that will pour on us - i have a scary pink umbrella, hahaha chuckle


tiphat 4 mister Tights
:-)
 Quoting: *Siberia*


You two are silly. “Feels need to play song” chuckle
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“That was not a sentimental moment either S so hush”
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This tread needs some of them utube videos..

chuckle
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Every girl needs a teddy.... monster tounge



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am patient :-)
like an elephant floating in a lotus chuckle
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Good, you're going to need it.

You chose this, but we're in it together.

peace
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



We'll be ok... you'll see... no matter all the shit rain that will pour on us - i have a scary pink umbrella, hahaha chuckle


tiphat 4 mister Tights
:-)
 Quoting: *Siberia*


That's your problem, you keep writing in "happily ever after" once you get scared.

It's cool, just keep writing. chuckle

hf
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



*rectifies a little*

"happily depressed and depressely happy ever after"
That de-pressely sounds like elvis presley... oh, well chuckle
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am patient :-)
like an elephant floating in a lotus chuckle
 Quoting: *Siberia*


Good, you're going to need it.

You chose this, but we're in it together.

peace
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



We'll be ok... you'll see... no matter all the shit rain that will pour on us - i have a scary pink umbrella, hahaha chuckle


tiphat 4 mister Tights
:-)
 Quoting: *Siberia*


You two are silly. “Feels need to play song” chuckle
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“That was not a sentimental moment either S so hush”
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I'm grateful.

Best. Baptism. Ever.

dance
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I think what was confusing was that I ever wanted who I was.

I didn't, and I don't want it back.

Nor will I allow to be given back.

I'm good. music
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I carried other people's pain.

Mine was buried in shit.

Still is.

It's a confusing game, I know, and I still don't understand, but I know I don't miss what's gone, it's all shit (processed to fertilizer).

Let's see what happens next.
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You two are silly. “Feels need to play song” chuckle
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“That was not a sentimental moment either S so hush”
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marlon


I kid you not - i have a pink umbrella that you can spot it from the airplane. I picked that color so that no one can "borrow" it and it worked. No one wants to be spotted with the horrifying pink over their head laugh

*winks sentimentally*

Heya girl hugs

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*leaves thread to cuddle and watch shameless with other half*

And please stop watching me leave like that..

chuckle
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You two are silly. “Feels need to play song” chuckle
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“That was not a sentimental moment either S so hush”
 Quoting: *Arabella*


marlon


I kid you not - i have a pink umbrella that you can spot it from the airplane. I picked that color so that no one can "borrow" it and it worked. No one wants to be spotted with the horrifying pink over their head laugh

*winks sentimentally*

Heya girl hugs
 Quoting: *Siberia*


chuckle hands you the pink umbrella. I would prefer to just dance in the rain until the sun comes up. :)
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I carried other people's pain.

Mine was buried in shit.

Still is.

It's a confusing game, I know, and I still don't understand, but I know I don't miss what's gone, it's all shit (processed to fertilizer).

Let's see what happens next.
 Quoting: Halfthekasmos



I used to carry those big water bottle recipients for the the water cooling machine in the office so that my colleagues won't have to break their back or hands and deal with the muscles pain.
They were happy - and took it for granted.
So every time the recipient emptied they were just waiting for me to come and notice it and tell them they are mdf lazy asses then go and bring a full one and fix it on the machine.
Until one day when i had enough of it.
They stayed without water 4 3 days and waited for me to carry it. But i was just ignoring the issue patiently.
In the end they had to carry the water themselves.
And now all is good - we all carry it and the pain (in the ass or in the muscles) so that we all can enjoy it when we're thirsty.
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*leaves thread to cuddle and watch shameless with other half*

And please stop watching me leave like that..

chuckle
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You lovey dovey watchers !

*grabs binoculars, watches and passes it to Arabella*
We can see yoooooooou ! hi

chuckle

You two have a good time in there and...
*changes tone in sirius Terminator voice*
"Love each other !
or
I'll be back !"

hugs to you guys hf

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Which one of you hid my fucking bazooka again!

youdidnt
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You two are silly. “Feels need to play song” chuckle
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“That was not a sentimental moment either S so hush”
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marlon


I kid you not - i have a pink umbrella that you can spot it from the airplane. I picked that color so that no one can "borrow" it and it worked. No one wants to be spotted with the horrifying pink over their head laugh

*winks sentimentally*

Heya girl hugs
 Quoting: *Siberia*


chuckle hands you the pink umbrella. I would prefer to just dance in the rain until the sun comes up. :)
 Quoting: *Arabella*



*watches the sad umbrella... "don't be sad pinkie, i'll conquer the world with you" *

suspansing silence

*insert mischievous laugh*

Good to have a scary umbrella chuckle

Let's dance !



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Which one of you hid my fucking bazooka again!

youdidnt
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T'was Ded Moroz.
He drunk again :-)))
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You two are silly. “Feels need to play song” chuckle
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“That was not a sentimental moment either S so hush”
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marlon


I kid you not - i have a pink umbrella that you can spot it from the airplane. I picked that color so that no one can "borrow" it and it worked. No one wants to be spotted with the horrifying pink over their head laugh

*winks sentimentally*

Heya girl hugs
 Quoting: *Siberia*


chuckle hands you the pink umbrella. I would prefer to just dance in the rain until the sun comes up. :)
 Quoting: *Arabella*



*watches the sad umbrella... "don't be sad pinkie, i'll conquer the world with you" *

suspansing silence

*insert mischievous laugh*

Good to have a scary umbrella chuckle

Let's dance !



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It’s been one of those days...
“turns volume all the way up”
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I think I like your song better than mine :)

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It’s been one of those days...
“turns volume all the way up”


I think I like your song better than mine :)
 Quoting: *Arabella*


I like this rock version of the song :-)

I get Marry Poppins stuck in mind because of the umbrella.
Please help me !
And Marry Poppins is Yondu with his arrow and a pink umbrella now 1doh1



Heeeeeeeeeeeelp !!!

chuckle


and on a more whispering wave...


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Yeeeeeeey !
I've finally read it all - and my conclusion about it is that aside the interesting looking explanation and suppositions (while alluding to superpositions - which are indeed to be considered together with sort of "quantum triangulation") the article was rather a beautiful attempt in chasing a tail.

However... now i have this question in mind:
Suppose that you are blind, deaf, not able to smell and tied to a pole - so not able to move either, how would you experience space/time ?
 Quoting: *Siberia*

Ha. I actually considered prefacing that article with a note on how much of an insufferable read it is. It manages to be thought provoking here and there, at least. Discussions on theoretical physics (tail-chasing is actually a good term for the endeavor) tend to be either too technical or too fantastical. This one manages to be both. And, yes, it is way longer than it needs to be.

I'll come back to your thought experiment after mulling it over a bit. Question: has the subject in question always been deprived of sense experience and movement?

Also, hi there Sib hugs

Hope you're having a beautiful week! hf
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Heya girl :-)
hugs

The week is going let's say ok got now . Hope that you're enjoying a beautiful one in there hf

So to answer to your question:
Let's suppose that the subject was born blind and deaf.
We tied the subject to a pole to obstruct movements so that the subject can't physically measure space by walking.
:-)

And i totally agree on the summary you laid down about that article chuckle
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Tail-chasing discourse has its merits. It often leads to tail-biting. Some metaphysician friends of mine got me hooked on tail-biting several years ago. The taste is quite pleasant, but the ensuing digestion can be a real bitch chuckle

Have you ever heard of Victor of Aveyron? He was a French feral child found and introduced to civilization when he was around age 12. His physicians described him as having no understanding of perceptual differences in sound, touch, temperature, smell, or taste. This makes perfect sense (no pun intended) in terms of everything I've learned about the role sense perception plays in developmental cognition.

My initial guess would be the subject in your thought experiment has only a primitive grasp on space and time. Newborns crave the bodily support experienced in the womb, and find comfort in being held or swaddled. They also have a rudimentary awareness of instincts corresponding to their circadian rhythms. This kind of understanding is more reflexive than cognitive, though. I don't see a way to develop beyond primitive reflex in the absence of social and environmental interaction.
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Have you ever heard of Victor of Aveyron? He was a French feral child found and introduced to civilization when he was around age 12. His physicians described him as having no understanding of perceptual differences in sound, touch, temperature, smell, or taste. This makes perfect sense (no pun intended) in terms of everything I've learned about the role sense perception plays in developmental cognition.

My initial guess would be the subject in your thought experiment has only a primitive grasp on space and time. Newborns crave the bodily support experienced in the womb, and find comfort in being held or swaddled. They also have a rudimentary awareness of instincts corresponding to their circadian rhythms. This kind of understanding is more reflexive than cognitive, though. I don't see a way to develop beyond primitive reflex in the absence of social and environmental interaction.
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See... i picked the example of deprivation of senses because we have this tendency to measure things which we think that are outside of our "local body" (to keep the trend from the article) by ignoring the elements at play inside our "local bodies".
We think that a subject deprived of major senses would not be able to build a sense of space/time because it would rely just on a few instincts.
However, practice tells us that when people lose their visual optic sense they still build up the notion of space through the auditory system.
We imagine that if we take out the auditory system too, the subject would be lost to space... But... what if the subject would rather be lost in space ? My intuition tells me that he would be lost to what we think is our "local space" but he for sure would not be lost to "quantum locality" or q-space.

Now...
What if our subject builds a sense of space through dreams ?
We assume that if the subject can't move, hear or see, the subject has no ways in which to dream... but what if the subject dreams as all the normal people do so they would experience space in that state ?
What if the dreams the subject has would be built on memories of space and things stored in DNA ?
And if we got there... what if the subject develops an extra sense and decodes frequency so he can envision space through smell ? What would his nose tell him ?

What if the space we perceive is but a superposition of the outside space we decode through a sense provided by the body construct, and an inside space already memorized in our genetics ?

I can go on about "triangulation" too but i've already typed too many "what if-s" for now chuckle
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Have you ever heard of Victor of Aveyron? He was a French feral child found and introduced to civilization when he was around age 12. His physicians described him as having no understanding of perceptual differences in sound, touch, temperature, smell, or taste. This makes perfect sense (no pun intended) in terms of everything I've learned about the role sense perception plays in developmental cognition.

My initial guess would be the subject in your thought experiment has only a primitive grasp on space and time. Newborns crave the bodily support experienced in the womb, and find comfort in being held or swaddled. They also have a rudimentary awareness of instincts corresponding to their circadian rhythms. This kind of understanding is more reflexive than cognitive, though. I don't see a way to develop beyond primitive reflex in the absence of social and environmental interaction.
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See... i picked the example of deprivation of senses because we have this tendency to measure things which we think that are outside of our "local body" (to keep the trend from the article) by ignoring the elements at play inside our "local bodies".
We think that a subject deprived of major senses would not be able to build a sense of space/time because it would rely just on a few instincts.
However, practice tells us that when people lose their visual optic sense they still build up the notion of space through the auditory system.
We imagine that if we take out the auditory system too, the subject would be lost to space... But... what if the subject would rather be lost in space ? My intuition tells me that he would be lost to what we think is our "local space" but he for sure would not be lost to "quantum locality" or q-space.

Now...
What if our subject builds a sense of space through dreams ?
We assume that if the subject can't move, hear or see, the subject has no ways in which to dream... but what if the subject dreams as all the normal people do so they would experience space in that state ?
What if the dreams the subject has would be built on memories of space and things stored in DNA ?
And if we got there... what if the subject develops an extra sense and decodes frequency so he can envision space through smell ? What would his nose tell him ?

What if the space we perceive is but a superposition of the outside space we decode through a sense provided by the body construct, and an inside space already memorized in our genetics ?

I can go on about "triangulation" too but i've already typed too many "what if-s" for now chuckle
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Nice. You're more of a philosopher than most philosophers I know, y'know. And I know a lot of philosophers. It's not entirely their fault. Pop scientists kicked philosophers out of institutionalized science many years ago. As if observing and collecting data could ever replace the interpretation, theorizing, and construction of meaning for said data. But I digress.

I do believe in molecular memory. I also believe subjects who lose the use of major senses can reconstruct them through the non-locality within their localities (or non-local communication in local biological processes). But a loss of sense implies the sense was gained at some point. It gets murky when discussing an un-enculterated subject. I am in no way advocating for notions of tabula rasa (blank slate), as enticing as such notions may be. But I do think human understanding is hitched to the realm of relation. Reminds of how individual cells will die if abstracted into isolation from the whole of their organism.

I think your analysis of our sensory underpinnings is spot on, and everything you're proposing (about our potential capabilities) is entirely plausible given my understanding of quantum communication in biological systems. But, while it is true non-local sources of energy and information are not bound to the languages of our domain, we still are for the most part. DNA communicates information non-locally, but it still communicates with us, and our reality, in locally constructed languages.

As long as we're within the realm of measurable energy in motion, we require relation to experience existence. This goes back to our "I and Thou' discussions. Only as the You becomes present does presence come into being. "The concentration and fusion into a whole being can never be accomplished by me, can never be accomplished without me. I require a You to become; becoming I, I say You. All actual life is encounter." Is the dormant memory of relation enough to replace You in the formation of a whole being? I don't know. It's an interesting thought.

Additional pondering is required. More ramblings will inevitably follow. Soon :)
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