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What would you say to him?

 
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Weren't you the Yolgnu of another site too ?
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1dunno1 Probably...... Been The Operator Yolgnu From 2004-2005 Before That A Soul ...!

And now The O.
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I remember a Yolgnu from a bit of a weird site that i've found time ago while searching the web for a specific spot of confluence.
Was wondering if it was you - that Yolgnu in there had a weakness for music too.

I also remember you as the Operator too hf
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Weren't you the Yolgnu of another site too ?
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1dunno1 Probably...... Been The Operator Yolgnu From 2004-2005 Before That A Soul ...!

And now The O.
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I remember a Yolgnu from a bit of a weird site that i've found time ago while searching the web for a specific spot of confluence.
Was wondering if it was you - that Yolgnu in there had a weakness for music too.

I also remember you as the Operator too hf
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That Name Yolgnu Came from My First FLUTE(yidaki didgeridoo) I purchase from a master player yolngu Aboriginal tribe..!

I Switch the N & G to make Yolgnu... lolol





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Do we talk to the computer as we post words?
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Computer talking is telepathic
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I did the flashy epilepsy cat you posted to me on that other place, by the way
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Caught you. Why are you still frequenting a business you reported to their payment processor and took income away from? Traitor.

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The real one knows its between him and God.

No one else would understand.
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Never had I experience such a feeling, never had I met a person for the first time that I knew I already knew somehow. I looked at him as he passed as if I would instantly know him, but I didn't recognize him in his fleshly form, but I was so sure of who he was somehow.

This has happened to me on a few occasions. Very strange feeling like there is something more I know but have forgotten. I also find it funny because I see synchronicities in people. Like they are cloned in a way, some kind of hive mind or part of the same program. It is kind of freaky and I have lost some touch with it lately. You two seem very well versed in the subject you talk about. Some of the writing is awesome. But script fighting is like a never ending loop. The book contradicts itself.
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Thanks for your comments. It is nice to know others have had this strange experience as well. I couldn't agree more concerning your analysis of the script fighting observation. A real waste of time of course when both parties are determined they are correct within their own observation, and their unwavering opinions...lol.
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It would appear to some to be script fighting but in reality it is the fullfillment of the following passages and I can confidently say after 7 years of trying to join those two sticks from below it will be God from above that joins judah and Joseph....but had God not promised to keep judah blind til the fullness of the gentiles I think I would have had half a chance...or maybe not Judahs weakness is pride...lol...anyway here are the passages:...oh one more thing...judah and Joseph are supposed to try to join from below...then God joins them from above....if judah and Joseph couldn’t agree on the below level....does it not seem they will still be adversaries while in the above( throne room)..reminds you of zechariah ...Joshua the high priest having an adversary at his right in the throne room.





The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in some sources is referred to as the “Messiah son [descendant] of Ephraim.” The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is associated with the saving of lives and the rescue of Israelites and in this he is assisted by Judah and by the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. By way of Comment: The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH, as we have seen, is connected with the ingathering of the exiles. America and Britain both in their own way in the past did helped the ingathering of the exiles of Judah to the Land of Israel. Our Prayers Are Needed “Kol HaTor” says [1.24] “With our deeds and prayers we shall come to the aid of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Through our exertions with all our might of self-arousal [arousal from below as distinct from arousal from heaven] we will achieve the union of the two messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, ‘the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah’ [mentioned by Ezekiel 37]. [The two sticks will join together just as Judah and Joseph will join together].
[In Ezekiel 37:16, Ezekiel was told to take one stick, FOR JUDAH. Ezekeil was then told to take ANOTHER STICK, FOR JOSEPH. Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 37:17 to join the two sticks together. THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND. The two sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) were to first become one in the hand of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 37:19 God says that the two sticks SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.] [Ezekiel says that] First the two sticks will become one in your hands and afterwards they will be one in my [God’s] hand.”












[i.e. This means that: First Judah and Joseph should try to join together from below and afterwards God will help them from above].

















On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17).











The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself
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Joseph and Judah
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Waterman, I must respond to all this nonsense and non-scriptural hogwash you keep interjecting in your interpreted word of the scriptures.

First of all your responsibility as a so called interpreted as to what scripture is actually declaring must at least be minutely accurate.

I have been reading the scriptures diligently for over forty five years now, and I can in all honestly say I have never read anything so strangely bazaar, of your interpretation, from the truth, of what the Word of God actually is declaring!

Nowhere in scripture does the Word declare anything remotely descriptive about a below level, and above scenarios. Neither does it state two Men children, as you clearly indicate again, as in the past, will be present at that throne room meeting. It simply states.. A Man-child (singular) will be caught up to God and his throne (Rev.12:5KJV,) only one Man-child, not two/dual/pair/couple, just one Man-child.

Waterman, also never does the Word state that one of the two witnesses will be an adversary against his spiritual sibling in the Lord. How ridiculous to even consider that that one chosen by God himself would even consider presenting a disagreement with the Lord's decision of who is of what position.

Waterman, Actually the Adversary in the passage in Zechariah is not one of the two witnesses, as you claim, but as always the adversary is Satan, as it clearly state in (Zech.3:1KJV,) standing there to resist him. The adversary is not one of the two witnesses as I keep repeating over and over to you in your made-up versions of the Word.

How strange, to have everyone, plainly see/read the word writes out that adversaries very name (SATAN) word for word, in bold print, and you waterman still contradict God's own Word and claim God must be wrong b/c you think it is the other witness that God has already declared an anointed one!

What is ever going to wake you up, to the false twisting/ doctrine/interpretations you keep adding to God's Word!

My god man the two sticks you keep referring to are not even speaking of men, but of nations. The two stick theory is another of your many self interpretations of some fairy horror story you claim is of the Lord's doing!

These two sticks are simply two nations separated in their belief as to who the Messiah is. No man will amend this complicated entanglement aided by the confusion of that same adversary (in case you do not recall the Word...(Satan!) Yet toward the end of days, God himself will reconstruct and clarify the confusion and unite the two nation in agreement toward one another.

Waterman, as I have told you again and again stop adding to the confusion of the Word and twisting its meanings. It doesn't look good as to who you are in service to.

Waterman, you accuse me of being prideful. You confuse pride with truth. I will not agree with your vision of your made-up scriptural scenarios. If this is what you consider a prideful spirit. Simply for not complying to you farfetched twisting of scripture so be it.

Also Judah is not symbolic of one of the two witnesses. Judah is the scepter holder in (Gen.49:10-12KJV.) He always is the Holder of the scepter for he is the King/Jesus/the lion of Judah. Only for a brief period of time does the lion of (Judah) allow Shiloh (who is actually one of the two witness symbolic of Joseph, prince in Israel, 2nd in command under the King/pharaoh/Jesus,) to hold the scepter. That is because he is responsible for the gathering of the people in the end days (Gen.49:10KJV,) in that wilderness (Rev.12KJV.)

Waterman, I was hoping I would not have to continue to have a further dialogue with you in the future. Nevertheless, it is every Christians responsibility to refute the heresy of the Word.

Waterman, you might want to get into the Word and study it with discernment, without that entity looking over your shoulder giving you his interpretation..
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Do we talk to the computer as we post words?
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Hihihi You should TRY You know.... the seven elements of creation, of which humanity only knows of four, and is learning the fifth, or element of SPIRIT. The previous four being earth, water, wind, fire. The devas manage creation and are the spirit INSIDE matter.

Now you need to tell Your Portable(Computer) That You love Her for all the Great Word you Read on her Screen lolol
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Well you know, I type much faster than I talk, so talking to the computer would be a bottleneck that would restrict my ability to communicate, as my thought to word process is like a funnel, whereas my thought to writing process is like a big sewer pipe.

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Caught you. Why are you still frequenting a business you reported to their payment processor and took income away from? Traitor.

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lol if you got a problem with the stupid shit the site owners have done to get the processor to drop us, take it up with them, not me.
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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.

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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.
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I would argue that the human race is not doomed, it's just carrying on in it's monkey ways in the same way it always has, and always will be, until the squid-people of the future take over the world and make us their worker-monkeys so they don't have to get out of their mobile fishtanks.

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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


I would argue that the human race is not doomed, it's just carrying on in it's monkey ways in the same way it always has, and always will be, until the squid-people of the future take over the world and make us their worker-monkeys so they don't have to get out of their mobile fishtanks.


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Nice job lightening the mood, but the problem still abounds.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.
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I would argue that the human race is not doomed, it's just carrying on in it's monkey ways in the same way it always has, and always will be, until the squid-people of the future take over the world and make us their worker-monkeys so they don't have to get out of their mobile fishtanks.
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Nice job lightening the mood, but the problem still abounds.
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Seriously.. meet our new future overlords, if we dont use them as meat first!

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lol oh I hadn't noticed this was a peta video and that it addressed the using them as food thing. Hmm!
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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.
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I would argue that the human race is not doomed, it's just carrying on in it's monkey ways in the same way it always has, and always will be, until the squid-people of the future take over the world and make us their worker-monkeys so they don't have to get out of their mobile fishtanks.
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Nice job lightening the mood, but the problem still abounds.
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Seriously.. meet our new future overlords, if we dont use them as meat first!


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Lol.
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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.
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Now I know what is dooming the human race...petty nonsense, and fevered ego...

Does that conclusion come with any verifiable papers that constitutes your opinion as the authority of the final word on the matter/decision.

I would suspect such individuals as yourself would make the same accusations against God in his battle against his adversaries.

Please consider your own petty nonsense, and fevered ego and its appetite toward its own recognition before making such decisive resolutions. I have notice your post appear on many many threads yourself, seeking to display a fevered egotistical display in your own genera. Perhaps you might consider this in all honesty, that you also may be exasperating the doom of humanity.
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Thread was killed by the ego of one person who never apologizes for what they've done. Congratulations on failing life.
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Never had I experience such a feeling, never had I met a person for the first time that I knew I already knew somehow. I looked at him as he passed as if I would instantly know him, but I didn't recognize him in his fleshly form, but I was so sure of who he was somehow.

This has happened to me on a few occasions. Very strange feeling like there is something more I know but have forgotten. I also find it funny because I see synchronicities in people. Like they are cloned in a way, some kind of hive mind or part of the same program. It is kind of freaky and I have lost some touch with it lately. You two seem very well versed in the subject you talk about. Some of the writing is awesome. But script fighting is like a never ending loop. The book contradicts itself.
 Quoting: YokedSuperNinja


Thanks for your comments. It is nice to know others have had this strange experience as well. I couldn't agree more concerning your analysis of the script fighting observation. A real waste of time of course when both parties are determined they are correct within their own observation, and their unwavering opinions...lol.
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It would appear to some to be script fighting but in reality it is the fullfillment of the following passages and I can confidently say after 7 years of trying to join those two sticks from below it will be God from above that joins judah and Joseph....but had God not promised to keep judah blind til the fullness of the gentiles I think I would have had half a chance...or maybe not Judahs weakness is pride...lol...anyway here are the passages:...oh one more thing...judah and Joseph are supposed to try to join from below...then God joins them from above....if judah and Joseph couldn’t agree on the below level....does it not seem they will still be adversaries while in the above( throne room)..reminds you of zechariah ...Joshua the high priest having an adversary at his right in the throne room.





The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in some sources is referred to as the “Messiah son [descendant] of Ephraim.” The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is associated with the saving of lives and the rescue of Israelites and in this he is assisted by Judah and by the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. By way of Comment: The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH, as we have seen, is connected with the ingathering of the exiles. America and Britain both in their own way in the past did helped the ingathering of the exiles of Judah to the Land of Israel. Our Prayers Are Needed “Kol HaTor” says [1.24] “With our deeds and prayers we shall come to the aid of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Through our exertions with all our might of self-arousal [arousal from below as distinct from arousal from heaven] we will achieve the union of the two messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, ‘the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah’ [mentioned by Ezekiel 37]. [The two sticks will join together just as Judah and Joseph will join together].
[In Ezekiel 37:16, Ezekiel was told to take one stick, FOR JUDAH. Ezekeil was then told to take ANOTHER STICK, FOR JOSEPH. Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 37:17 to join the two sticks together. THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND. The two sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) were to first become one in the hand of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 37:19 God says that the two sticks SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.] [Ezekiel says that] First the two sticks will become one in your hands and afterwards they will be one in my [God’s] hand.”












[i.e. This means that: First Judah and Joseph should try to join together from below and afterwards God will help them from above].

















On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17).











The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself
.


Joseph and Judah
leftrightkingpri
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/quote, from S-wordlike:

Waterman, I must respond to all this nonsense and non-scriptural hogwash you keep interjecting in your interpreted word of the scriptures.

First of all your responsibility as a so called interpreted as to what scripture is actually declaring must at least be minutely accurate.

I have been reading the scriptures diligently for over forty five years now, and I can in all honestly say I have never read anything so strangely bazaar, of your interpretation, from the truth, of what the Word of God actually is declaring!

Nowhere in scripture does the Word declare anything remotely descriptive about a below level, and above scenarios. Neither does it state two Men children, as you clearly indicate again, as in the past, will be present at that throne room meeting. It simply states.. A Man-child (singular) will be caught up to God and his throne (Rev.12:5KJV,) only one Man-child, not two/dual/pair/couple, just one Man-child.

Waterman, also never does the Word state that one of the two witnesses will be an adversary against his spiritual sibling in the Lord. How ridiculous to even consider that that one chosen by God himself would even consider presenting a disagreement with the Lord's decision of who is of what position.

Waterman, Actually the Adversary in the passage in Zechariah is not one of the two witnesses, as you claim, but as always the adversary is Satan, as it clearly state in (Zech.3:1KJV,) standing there to resist him. The adversary is not one of the two witnesses as I keep repeating over and over to you in your made-up versions of the Word.

How strange, to have everyone, plainly see/read the word writes out that adversaries very name (SATAN) word for word, in bold print, and you waterman still contradict God's own Word and claim God must be wrong b/c you think it is the other witness that God has already declared an anointed one!

What is ever going to wake you up, to the false twisting/ doctrine/interpretations you keep adding to God's Word!

My god man the two sticks you keep referring to are not even speaking of men, but of nations. The two stick theory is another of your many self interpretations of some fairy horror story you claim is of the Lord's doing!

These two sticks are simply two nations separated in their belief as to who the Messiah is. No man will amend this complicated entanglement aided by the confusion of that same adversary (in case you do not recall the Word...(Satan!) Yet toward the end of days, God himself will reconstruct and clarify the confusion and unite the two nation in agreement toward one another.

Waterman, as I have told you again and again stop adding to the confusion of the Word and twisting its meanings. It doesn't look good as to who you are in service to.

Waterman, you accuse me of being prideful. You confuse pride with truth. I will not agree with your vision of your made-up scriptural scenarios. If this is what you consider a prideful spirit. Simply for not complying to you farfetched twisting of scripture so be it.

Also Judah is not symbolic of one of the two witnesses. Judah is the scepter holder in (Gen.49:10-12KJV.) He always is the Holder of the scepter for he is the King/Jesus/the lion of Judah. Only for a brief period of time does the lion of (Judah) allow Shiloh (who is actually one of the two witness symbolic of Joseph, prince in Israel, 2nd in command under the King/pharaoh/Jesus,) to hold the scepter. That is because he is responsible for the gathering of the people in the end days (Gen.49:10KJV,) in that wilderness (Rev.12KJV.)

Waterman, I was hoping I would not have to continue to have a further dialogue with you in the future. Nevertheless, it is every Christians responsibility to refute the heresy of the Word.

Waterman, you might want to get into the Word and study it with discernment, without that entity looking over your shoulder giving you his interpretation..
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I never stated there are 2 man-child..clearly there is only one man-child and that is king david as he is holding the sceptre and you have to be from judah to be king and we see over and over david is king...Again to qualify to be king you have to be from judah and your blessings will be the blessings of judah not the blessings of Joseph...Joseph is a whole other person who would not qualify to be king nor would he want to be as Joseph is the holder of the birthright and will use the firstborn birthright to become high priest...here are a some references showing David will be king in a davidic kingdom...what is the one rule in a davidic kingdom? The king can't be the high priest..separation of church and state in a davidic/levitic kingdom.



Hosea 3:5:

King James Bible
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.


Jeremiah 30:9

King James Bible
But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them

Ezekiel 37:24:

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.


The book of revelation and zecharaiah are connected we see the two anointed in chapter 11 of revelation...we see the two anointed in the beginning chapters of zechariah...the two olive trees...the two candlesticks..the two anointed...we also see the 4 horsemen in both zechariah and revealtion....what we see in zechariah is zerrubabbel the civil leader and joshua the high priest...and we are shown Joshua the high priest in the throne room. We know this cannot be the man-child from revelation 12 because the man-child is the king and a king cant be the high priest in the levitic/davidic kingdom that will be reinstated...we also notice in revealtion 12 the man-child doesn't have anyone contesting his position as ruler of the nations(the king). The only time we see a position be contested is when the other anointed Joshua the high priest is receiving the position of high priest and his garments are being changed...david can't be both postions king and high priest....Isn't it strange that the high priest isn't contesting that he isn't also the king...he doesn't contest it because the high priest knows what position he is given and what position the other witness is given.



The book of zechariah and book of revelation are connected...the book of zechariah shows the priestly anointed( birthright holder Joseph) in the throne room. The book of revelation shows the kingly witness( David) in the throne room.
The difference between the priestly anointed ( Joseph) and the
kingly anointed ( David/Judah) is we only see the priestly anointed being resisted by “Satan” and again Satan simply means opponent or adversary just as Christ doesn’t mean Jesus it means anointed. So if there was ever two adversaries it would be judah and Joseph and this is the scenario we have once again. Joseph will be able to see who judah is so joseph won’t contest that judah is king...but judah can’t see Joseph so he will contest Joseph being high priest and that is how we know judah is the “ Satan/adversary” standing at the right hand of Joseph the high priest to resist him.




You are aware Jesus called Peter "Satan" was peter the actual lucifer satan?....no satan simply means "opponent" or adversary...or one who doesnt savour the things of God but those to advance their own self indulgence.


Matthew 16:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.



There are 2 in the throne room. The man-child and Joshua the high priest...one person is not both king and high preist. Only one opponent(satan) is contestesting what is being done in the throne room and it isn't joshua the high priest...that pretty much narrows it down to the man-child being the opponent/adversary to Joshuah the high priest.

Right now you believe the man child the king and Joshua the high priest are one and the same position of one person....this is the mentality of the adversary of Joshua the high priest will have...does that not make you think possibly the manchild( judah ) is once again adversary to the high priest through the birthright(Joseph)....To get a judah and a joseph to get along you need some throne room intervention...and that is exactly what will happen. Judah will be rebuked then judah and Joseph will reunite through the instruction of God himself and they will begin their 1260 day ministry


AS far as judah and joseph being two nations in Ezekiel 37...it clearly shows you judah and joseph are separate from the nation their companions..Judah is the representative for the southern kingdom of judah and Joseph is the representative for the northern kingdom of Ephraim...not hard to see...You do know there are two kingdoms...two houses of Israel...i'm sure with your 45 years of study you at least know that...If there are two kingdoms there have to be two representatives...and it clearly shows Judah(king david the sceptre holder) is one representative and Joseph(the birthright holder which will make him high priest) is the other representaive. You have one nation that is kingly and the other nation that is priestly....when they are joined they will become a royal preisthood.


NOTICE THAT LITTLE WORD "HIS" THAT IS TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE PERSON AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT KINGDOM AND WE SEE "HIS" COMPANIONS TWICE...ONE FOR JUDAH AND ONE FOR JOSEPH THE TWO KINGDOMS REPRESENTATIVES:

Ezekiel 37:

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:


David is judah and Judah will be the blessings he receives
Joseph the other witness will receive the blessings of joseph

judah and joseph two brothers one with the scpetre blessing and the other with the birthright blessing (1 chronicles 5:2)


JUDAH AND JOSEPH...WHEN WILL THEY UNITE? NOT TIL THAT THRONE ROOM VISIT APPARENTLY...LOL


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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.
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Now I know what is dooming the human race...petty nonsense, and fevered ego...

Does that conclusion come with any verifiable papers that constitutes your opinion as the authority of the final word on the matter/decision.

I would suspect such individuals as yourself would make the same accusations against God in his battle against his adversaries.

Please consider your own petty nonsense, and fevered ego and its appetite toward its own recognition before making such decisive resolutions. I have notice your post appear on many many threads yourself, seeking to display a fevered egotistical display in your own genera. Perhaps you might consider this in all honesty, that you also may be exasperating the doom of humanity.
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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Now I know what is dooming the human race...petty nonsense, and fevered ego...

Does that conclusion come with any verifiable papers that constitutes your opinion as the authority of the final word on the matter/decision.

I would suspect such individuals as yourself would make the same accusations against God in his battle against his adversaries.

Please consider your own petty nonsense, and fevered ego and its appetite toward its own recognition before making such decisive resolutions. I have notice your post appear on many many threads yourself, seeking to display a fevered egotistical display in your own genera. Perhaps you might consider this in all honesty, that you also may be exasperating the doom of humanity.
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Don't make an enemy of me, for I am an enemy of none but those of the darkness.
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How do you feel about chaotic neutrals? chuckle
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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Now I know what is dooming the human race...petty nonsense, and fevered ego...

Does that conclusion come with any verifiable papers that constitutes your opinion as the authority of the final word on the matter/decision.

I would suspect such individuals as yourself would make the same accusations against God in his battle against his adversaries.

Please consider your own petty nonsense, and fevered ego and its appetite toward its own recognition before making such decisive resolutions. I have notice your post appear on many many threads yourself, seeking to display a fevered egotistical display in your own genera. Perhaps you might consider this in all honesty, that you also may be exasperating the doom of humanity.
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Don't make an enemy of me, for I am an enemy of none but those of the darkness.
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How do you feel about chaotic neutrals? chuckle
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Lol, they Serve their purpose.

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Now I know what is dooming the human race...petty nonsense, and fevered ego...

Does that conclusion come with any verifiable papers that constitutes your opinion as the authority of the final word on the matter/decision.

I would suspect such individuals as yourself would make the same accusations against God in his battle against his adversaries.

Please consider your own petty nonsense, and fevered ego and its appetite toward its own recognition before making such decisive resolutions. I have notice your post appear on many many threads yourself, seeking to display a fevered egotistical display in your own genera. Perhaps you might consider this in all honesty, that you also may be exasperating the doom of humanity.
 Quoting: S-wordlike


Don't make an enemy of me, for I am an enemy of none but those of the darkness.
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How do you feel about chaotic neutrals? chuckle
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Lol, they Serve their purpose.

All has a place within the plan.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


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Thanks for your comments. It is nice to know others have had this strange experience as well. I couldn't agree more concerning your analysis of the script fighting observation. A real waste of time of course when both parties are determined they are correct within their own observation, and their unwavering opinions...lol.
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It would appear to some to be script fighting but in reality it is the fullfillment of the following passages and I can confidently say after 7 years of trying to join those two sticks from below it will be God from above that joins judah and Joseph....but had God not promised to keep judah blind til the fullness of the gentiles I think I would have had half a chance...or maybe not Judahs weakness is pride...lol...anyway here are the passages:...oh one more thing...judah and Joseph are supposed to try to join from below...then God joins them from above....if judah and Joseph couldn’t agree on the below level....does it not seem they will still be adversaries while in the above( throne room)..reminds you of zechariah ...Joshua the high priest having an adversary at his right in the throne room.





The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in some sources is referred to as the “Messiah son [descendant] of Ephraim.” The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is associated with the saving of lives and the rescue of Israelites and in this he is assisted by Judah and by the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. By way of Comment: The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH, as we have seen, is connected with the ingathering of the exiles. America and Britain both in their own way in the past did helped the ingathering of the exiles of Judah to the Land of Israel. Our Prayers Are Needed “Kol HaTor” says [1.24] “With our deeds and prayers we shall come to the aid of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Through our exertions with all our might of self-arousal [arousal from below as distinct from arousal from heaven] we will achieve the union of the two messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, ‘the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah’ [mentioned by Ezekiel 37]. [The two sticks will join together just as Judah and Joseph will join together].
[In Ezekiel 37:16, Ezekiel was told to take one stick, FOR JUDAH. Ezekeil was then told to take ANOTHER STICK, FOR JOSEPH. Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 37:17 to join the two sticks together. THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND. The two sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) were to first become one in the hand of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 37:19 God says that the two sticks SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.] [Ezekiel says that] First the two sticks will become one in your hands and afterwards they will be one in my [God’s] hand.”












[i.e. This means that: First Judah and Joseph should try to join together from below and afterwards God will help them from above].

















On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17).











The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself
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Joseph and Judah
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Waterman, I must respond to all this nonsense and non-scriptural hogwash you keep interjecting in your interpreted word of the scriptures.

First of all your responsibility as a so called interpreted as to what scripture is actually declaring must at least be minutely accurate.

I have been reading the scriptures diligently for over forty five years now, and I can in all honestly say I have never read anything so strangely bazaar, of your interpretation, from the truth, of what the Word of God actually is declaring!

Nowhere in scripture does the Word declare anything remotely descriptive about a below level, and above scenarios. Neither does it state two Men children, as you clearly indicate again, as in the past, will be present at that throne room meeting. It simply states.. A Man-child (singular) will be caught up to God and his throne (Rev.12:5KJV,) only one Man-child, not two/dual/pair/couple, just one Man-child.

Waterman, also never does the Word state that one of the two witnesses will be an adversary against his spiritual sibling in the Lord. How ridiculous to even consider that that one chosen by God himself would even consider presenting a disagreement with the Lord's decision of who is of what position.

Waterman, Actually the Adversary in the passage in Zechariah is not one of the two witnesses, as you claim, but as always the adversary is Satan, as it clearly state in (Zech.3:1KJV,) standing there to resist him. The adversary is not one of the two witnesses as I keep repeating over and over to you in your made-up versions of the Word.

How strange, to have everyone, plainly see/read the word writes out that adversaries very name (SATAN) word for word, in bold print, and you waterman still contradict God's own Word and claim God must be wrong b/c you think it is the other witness that God has already declared an anointed one!

What is ever going to wake you up, to the false twisting/ doctrine/interpretations you keep adding to God's Word!

My god man the two sticks you keep referring to are not even speaking of men, but of nations. The two stick theory is another of your many self interpretations of some fairy horror story you claim is of the Lord's doing!

These two sticks are simply two nations separated in their belief as to who the Messiah is. No man will amend this complicated entanglement aided by the confusion of that same adversary (in case you do not recall the Word...(Satan!) Yet toward the end of days, God himself will reconstruct and clarify the confusion and unite the two nation in agreement toward one another.

Waterman, as I have told you again and again stop adding to the confusion of the Word and twisting its meanings. It doesn't look good as to who you are in service to.

Waterman, you accuse me of being prideful. You confuse pride with truth. I will not agree with your vision of your made-up scriptural scenarios. If this is what you consider a prideful spirit. Simply for not complying to you farfetched twisting of scripture so be it.

Also Judah is not symbolic of one of the two witnesses. Judah is the scepter holder in (Gen.49:10-12KJV.) He always is the Holder of the scepter for he is the King/Jesus/the lion of Judah. Only for a brief period of time does the lion of (Judah) allow Shiloh (who is actually one of the two witness symbolic of Joseph, prince in Israel, 2nd in command under the King/pharaoh/Jesus,) to hold the scepter. That is because he is responsible for the gathering of the people in the end days (Gen.49:10KJV,) in that wilderness (Rev.12KJV.)

Waterman, I was hoping I would not have to continue to have a further dialogue with you in the future. Nevertheless, it is every Christians responsibility to refute the heresy of the Word.

Waterman, you might want to get into the Word and study it with discernment, without that entity looking over your shoulder giving you his interpretation..
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I never stated their are 2 man-child..clearly there is only one man-child and that is king david as he is holding the sceptre and you have to be from judah to be king and we see over and over david is king...Again to qualify to be king you have to be from judah and your blessings will be the blessings of judah not the blessings of Joseph...Joseph is a whole other person who would not qualify to be king nor would he want to be as Joseph is the holder of the birthright and will use the firstborn birthright to become high priest...here are a some references showing David will be king in a davidic kingdom...what is the one rule in a davidic kingdom? The king can't be the high priest..separation of church and state in a davidic/levitic kingdom.



Hosea 3:5:

King James Bible
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.


Jeremiah 30:9

King James Bible
But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them

Ezekiel 37:24:

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.


The book of revelation and zecharaiah are connected we see the two anointed in chapter 11 of revelation...we see the two anointed in the beginning chapters of zechariah...the two olive trees...the two candlesticks..the two anointed...we also see the 4 horsemen in both zechariah and revealtion....what we see in zechariah is zerrubabbel the civil leader and joshua the high priest...and we are shown Joshua the high priest in the throne room. We know this cannot be the man-child from revelation 12 because the man-child is the king and a king cant be the high priest in the levitic/davidic kingdom that will be reinstated...we also notice in revealtion 12 the man-child doesn't have anyone contesting his position as ruler of the nations(the king). The only time we see a position be contested is when the other anointed Joshua the high priest is receiving the position of high priest and his garments are being changed...david can't be both postions king and high priest....Isn't it strange that the high priest isn't contesting that he isn't also the king...he doesn't contest it because the high priest knows what position he is given and what position the other witness is given.


You are aware Jesus called Peter "Satan" was peter the actual lucifer satan?....no satan simply means "opponent" or adversary...or one who doesnt savour the things of God but those to advance their own self indulgence.


Matthew 16:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.



There are 2 in the throne room. The man-child and Joshua the high priest...one person is not both king and high preist. Only one opponent(satan) is contestesting what is being done in the throne room and it isn't joshua the high priest...that pretty much narrows it down to the man-child being the opponent/adversary to Joshuah the high priest.

Right now you believe the man child the king and Joshua the high priest are one and the same position of one person....this is the mentality of the adversary of Joshua the high priest will have...does that not make you think possibly the manchild( judah ) is once again adversary to the high priest through the birthright(Joseph)....To get a judah and a joseph to get along you need some throne room intervention...and that is exactly what will happen. Judah will be rebuked then judah and Joseph will reunite through the instruction of God himself and they will begin their 1260 day ministry


AS far as judah and joseph being two nations in Ezekiel 37...it clearly shows you judah and joseph are separate from the nation their companions..Judah is the representative for the southern kingdom of judah and Joseph is the representative for the northern kingdom of Ephraim...not hard to see...You do know there are two kingdoms...two houses of Israel...i'm sure with your 45 years of study you at least know that...If there are two kingdoms there have to be two representatives...and it clearly shows Judah(king david the sceptre holder) is one representative and Joseph(the birthright holder which will make him high priest) is the other representaive. You have one nation that is kingly and the other nation that is priestly....when they are joined they will become a royal preisthood.


NOTICE THAT LITTLE WORD "HIS" THAT IS TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE PERSON AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT KINGDOM AND WE SEE "HIS" COMPANIONS TWICE...ONE FOR JUDAH AND ONE FOR JOSEPH THE TWO KINGDOMS REPRESENTATIVES:

Ezekiel 37:

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:


David is judah and Judah will be the blessings he receives
Joseph the other witness will receive the blessings of joseph

judah and joseph two brothers one with the scpetre blessing and the other with the birthright blessing (1 chronicles 5:2)


JUDAH AND JOSEPH...WHEN WILL THEY UNITE? NOT TIL THAT THRONE ROOM VISIT APPARENTLY...LOL


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Waterman, I will no longer read your post, including this one. I have never been so sick of hearing such prattle and regurgitated rubbish in my life. You are so determined to be someone, you'll lie, steal others ideas, deny what you previously once declared; and twist scripture to write your own concerted efforts to include you in them.
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So much petty nonsense...

That's what's dooming the human race...petty nonsense and the fevered egos it produces.
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Now I know what is dooming the human race...petty nonsense, and fevered ego...

Does that conclusion come with any verifiable papers that constitutes your opinion as the authority of the final word on the matter/decision.

I would suspect such individuals as yourself would make the same accusations against God in his battle against his adversaries.

Please consider your own petty nonsense, and fevered ego and its appetite toward its own recognition before making such decisive resolutions. I have notice your post appear on many many threads yourself, seeking to display a fevered egotistical display in your own genera. Perhaps you might consider this in all honesty, that you also may be exasperating the doom of humanity.
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Ditto.
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It would appear to some to be script fighting but in reality it is the fullfillment of the following passages and I can confidently say after 7 years of trying to join those two sticks from below it will be God from above that joins judah and Joseph....but had God not promised to keep judah blind til the fullness of the gentiles I think I would have had half a chance...or maybe not Judahs weakness is pride...lol...anyway here are the passages:...oh one more thing...judah and Joseph are supposed to try to join from below...then God joins them from above....if judah and Joseph couldn’t agree on the below level....does it not seem they will still be adversaries while in the above( throne room)..reminds you of zechariah ...Joshua the high priest having an adversary at his right in the throne room.





The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in some sources is referred to as the “Messiah son [descendant] of Ephraim.” The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is associated with the saving of lives and the rescue of Israelites and in this he is assisted by Judah and by the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. By way of Comment: The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH, as we have seen, is connected with the ingathering of the exiles. America and Britain both in their own way in the past did helped the ingathering of the exiles of Judah to the Land of Israel. Our Prayers Are Needed “Kol HaTor” says [1.24] “With our deeds and prayers we shall come to the aid of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Through our exertions with all our might of self-arousal [arousal from below as distinct from arousal from heaven] we will achieve the union of the two messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, ‘the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah’ [mentioned by Ezekiel 37]. [The two sticks will join together just as Judah and Joseph will join together].
[In Ezekiel 37:16, Ezekiel was told to take one stick, FOR JUDAH. Ezekeil was then told to take ANOTHER STICK, FOR JOSEPH. Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 37:17 to join the two sticks together. THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND. The two sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) were to first become one in the hand of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 37:19 God says that the two sticks SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.] [Ezekiel says that] First the two sticks will become one in your hands and afterwards they will be one in my [God’s] hand.”












[i.e. This means that: First Judah and Joseph should try to join together from below and afterwards God will help them from above].

















On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17).











The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself
.


Joseph and Judah
leftrightkingpri
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/quote, from S-wordlike:

Waterman, I must respond to all this nonsense and non-scriptural hogwash you keep interjecting in your interpreted word of the scriptures.

First of all your responsibility as a so called interpreted as to what scripture is actually declaring must at least be minutely accurate.

I have been reading the scriptures diligently for over forty five years now, and I can in all honestly say I have never read anything so strangely bazaar, of your interpretation, from the truth, of what the Word of God actually is declaring!

Nowhere in scripture does the Word declare anything remotely descriptive about a below level, and above scenarios. Neither does it state two Men children, as you clearly indicate again, as in the past, will be present at that throne room meeting. It simply states.. A Man-child (singular) will be caught up to God and his throne (Rev.12:5KJV,) only one Man-child, not two/dual/pair/couple, just one Man-child.

Waterman, also never does the Word state that one of the two witnesses will be an adversary against his spiritual sibling in the Lord. How ridiculous to even consider that that one chosen by God himself would even consider presenting a disagreement with the Lord's decision of who is of what position.

Waterman, Actually the Adversary in the passage in Zechariah is not one of the two witnesses, as you claim, but as always the adversary is Satan, as it clearly state in (Zech.3:1KJV,) standing there to resist him. The adversary is not one of the two witnesses as I keep repeating over and over to you in your made-up versions of the Word.

How strange, to have everyone, plainly see/read the word writes out that adversaries very name (SATAN) word for word, in bold print, and you waterman still contradict God's own Word and claim God must be wrong b/c you think it is the other witness that God has already declared an anointed one!

What is ever going to wake you up, to the false twisting/ doctrine/interpretations you keep adding to God's Word!

My god man the two sticks you keep referring to are not even speaking of men, but of nations. The two stick theory is another of your many self interpretations of some fairy horror story you claim is of the Lord's doing!

These two sticks are simply two nations separated in their belief as to who the Messiah is. No man will amend this complicated entanglement aided by the confusion of that same adversary (in case you do not recall the Word...(Satan!) Yet toward the end of days, God himself will reconstruct and clarify the confusion and unite the two nation in agreement toward one another.

Waterman, as I have told you again and again stop adding to the confusion of the Word and twisting its meanings. It doesn't look good as to who you are in service to.

Waterman, you accuse me of being prideful. You confuse pride with truth. I will not agree with your vision of your made-up scriptural scenarios. If this is what you consider a prideful spirit. Simply for not complying to you farfetched twisting of scripture so be it.

Also Judah is not symbolic of one of the two witnesses. Judah is the scepter holder in (Gen.49:10-12KJV.) He always is the Holder of the scepter for he is the King/Jesus/the lion of Judah. Only for a brief period of time does the lion of (Judah) allow Shiloh (who is actually one of the two witness symbolic of Joseph, prince in Israel, 2nd in command under the King/pharaoh/Jesus,) to hold the scepter. That is because he is responsible for the gathering of the people in the end days (Gen.49:10KJV,) in that wilderness (Rev.12KJV.)

Waterman, I was hoping I would not have to continue to have a further dialogue with you in the future. Nevertheless, it is every Christians responsibility to refute the heresy of the Word.

Waterman, you might want to get into the Word and study it with discernment, without that entity looking over your shoulder giving you his interpretation..
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I never stated their are 2 man-child..clearly there is only one man-child and that is king david as he is holding the sceptre and you have to be from judah to be king and we see over and over david is king...Again to qualify to be king you have to be from judah and your blessings will be the blessings of judah not the blessings of Joseph...Joseph is a whole other person who would not qualify to be king nor would he want to be as Joseph is the holder of the birthright and will use the firstborn birthright to become high priest...here are a some references showing David will be king in a davidic kingdom...what is the one rule in a davidic kingdom? The king can't be the high priest..separation of church and state in a davidic/levitic kingdom.



Hosea 3:5:

King James Bible
Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.


Jeremiah 30:9

King James Bible
But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them

Ezekiel 37:24:

And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.


The book of revelation and zecharaiah are connected we see the two anointed in chapter 11 of revelation...we see the two anointed in the beginning chapters of zechariah...the two olive trees...the two candlesticks..the two anointed...we also see the 4 horsemen in both zechariah and revealtion....what we see in zechariah is zerrubabbel the civil leader and joshua the high priest...and we are shown Joshua the high priest in the throne room. We know this cannot be the man-child from revelation 12 because the man-child is the king and a king cant be the high priest in the levitic/davidic kingdom that will be reinstated...we also notice in revealtion 12 the man-child doesn't have anyone contesting his position as ruler of the nations(the king). The only time we see a position be contested is when the other anointed Joshua the high priest is receiving the position of high priest and his garments are being changed...david can't be both postions king and high priest....Isn't it strange that the high priest isn't contesting that he isn't also the king...he doesn't contest it because the high priest knows what position he is given and what position the other witness is given.


You are aware Jesus called Peter "Satan" was peter the actual lucifer satan?....no satan simply means "opponent" or adversary...or one who doesnt savour the things of God but those to advance their own self indulgence.


Matthew 16:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.



There are 2 in the throne room. The man-child and Joshua the high priest...one person is not both king and high preist. Only one opponent(satan) is contestesting what is being done in the throne room and it isn't joshua the high priest...that pretty much narrows it down to the man-child being the opponent/adversary to Joshuah the high priest.

Right now you believe the man child the king and Joshua the high priest are one and the same position of one person....this is the mentality of the adversary of Joshua the high priest will have...does that not make you think possibly the manchild( judah ) is once again adversary to the high priest through the birthright(Joseph)....To get a judah and a joseph to get along you need some throne room intervention...and that is exactly what will happen. Judah will be rebuked then judah and Joseph will reunite through the instruction of God himself and they will begin their 1260 day ministry


AS far as judah and joseph being two nations in Ezekiel 37...it clearly shows you judah and joseph are separate from the nation their companions..Judah is the representative for the southern kingdom of judah and Joseph is the representative for the northern kingdom of Ephraim...not hard to see...You do know there are two kingdoms...two houses of Israel...i'm sure with your 45 years of study you at least know that...If there are two kingdoms there have to be two representatives...and it clearly shows Judah(king david the sceptre holder) is one representative and Joseph(the birthright holder which will make him high priest) is the other representaive. You have one nation that is kingly and the other nation that is priestly....when they are joined they will become a royal preisthood.


NOTICE THAT LITTLE WORD "HIS" THAT IS TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE PERSON AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT KINGDOM AND WE SEE "HIS" COMPANIONS TWICE...ONE FOR JUDAH AND ONE FOR JOSEPH THE TWO KINGDOMS REPRESENTATIVES:

Ezekiel 37:

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:


David is judah and Judah will be the blessings he receives
Joseph the other witness will receive the blessings of joseph

judah and joseph two brothers one with the scpetre blessing and the other with the birthright blessing (1 chronicles 5:2)


JUDAH AND JOSEPH...WHEN WILL THEY UNITE? NOT TIL THAT THRONE ROOM VISIT APPARENTLY...LOL


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(/quote) from S-wordlike

Waterman, I will no longer read your post, including this one. I have never been so sick of hearing such prattle and regurgitated rubbish in my life. You are so determined to be someone, you'll lie, steal others ideas, deny what you previously once declared; and twist scripture to write your own concerted efforts to include you in them.
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Don’t be afraid to read it friend...God won’t open your eyes til the throne room visit anyway....I have no chance of changing your mind...but I do enjoy telling the story...lol.....lie and steal others ideas? You make me out to be some type of Jacob...lol

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