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Yes, but its also heaven.

Depends on how you look at it, I believe.

Good morning to you as well.
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exactly. I refuse to believe in an eternal condemnation for such a brief period of choice without the knowledge that comes from experience..

I mean, think about it..

you have to make mistakes to learn from them, and that is what life is all about.. learning

personally though, I believe this is actually the lowest point in existence.

stuck in gravitational pull and constantly bombarded by the emotional spectrum from the moon, this is pure torment.

I can feel what it would be like outside of it, and it feels much better.
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I know, I read the bible and I believe it but its hard for me to imagine God sending someone to infinite torment for a finite life.

Life is all about learning, your right.

I also believe life is learning how to forgive others.

I have a lot of questions for God when I meet Him, to say the least, lol.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


chuckle

I like the way you think bro.

you question some things, but never your heart.

through the eye of the needle.. cheers

when people think they are the only one's that get the ticket to heaven, they tend to condemn the rest of the world for not living up to the standard they believe they have, and over time it turns their heart cold. I've seen it a thousand times, the bible thumbing evangelist that twists the words of scripture to fit their narrow view on what it is to be good while they refuse to see the good in others.

personally, I'd rather be stuck in hell and help the lost find their way home. That sounds like heaven to me.
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Lol, thanks man!

I have been around so many people that are absolutely positive they are going to heaven and I've always said to be careful, that attitude leads you down a dark road.

The bible says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and I believe that was written for a very good reason.

Me personally, I am never sure, I just try to be the best person I can be everyday.

God will do what God will do, He is the Boss!
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.
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I know, I read the bible and I believe it but its hard for me to imagine God sending someone to infinite torment for a finite life.

Life is all about learning, your right.

I also believe life is learning how to forgive others.

I have a lot of questions for God when I meet Him, to say the least, lol.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


chuckle

I like the way you think bro.

you question some things, but never your heart.

through the eye of the needle.. cheers

when people think they are the only one's that get the ticket to heaven, they tend to condemn the rest of the world for not living up to the standard they believe they have, and over time it turns their heart cold. I've seen it a thousand times, the bible thumbing evangelist that twists the words of scripture to fit their narrow view on what it is to be good while they refuse to see the good in others.

personally, I'd rather be stuck in hell and help the lost find their way home. That sounds like heaven to me.
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It's not so much refusing to see the good in others. It's refusing to continue to overlook the bad. The philosophy of saying "When everyone's a conman, be a sucker" is lacking a certain something.
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whatever you focus on creates more of it, no matter how much you do or do not like it.

'much gathers more'
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I'm sure a banker would agree.
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I know, I read the bible and I believe it but its hard for me to imagine God sending someone to infinite torment for a finite life.

Life is all about learning, your right.

I also believe life is learning how to forgive others.

I have a lot of questions for God when I meet Him, to say the least, lol.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


I dunno. No hell is kinda like 'shave and a haircut' without the 'two bits.' If there's no punishment for people who get away with stuff to the grave, then why follow any rules at all?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


I agree, its a difficult thing, isn't it?

Like I said before, I think God has a few tricks up His sleeve yet...
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


All I ask is that no one who has shed human blood with their own hands gets into heaven, and that the only other option is hell. Simple.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


The Lord is a man of war, the bible says.

Sometimes the shedding of blood is unavoidable.

King David killed men and giants.

So did Joshua and a hundred orhers in the bible, but they were men of God and I believe they are in heaven.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.
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exactly. I refuse to believe in an eternal condemnation for such a brief period of choice without the knowledge that comes from experience..

I mean, think about it..

you have to make mistakes to learn from them, and that is what life is all about.. learning

personally though, I believe this is actually the lowest point in existence.

stuck in gravitational pull and constantly bombarded by the emotional spectrum from the moon, this is pure torment.

I can feel what it would be like outside of it, and it feels much better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77416468


I know, I read the bible and I believe it but its hard for me to imagine God sending someone to infinite torment for a finite life.

Life is all about learning, your right.

I also believe life is learning how to forgive others.

I have a lot of questions for God when I meet Him, to say the least, lol.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


chuckle

I like the way you think bro.

you question some things, but never your heart.

through the eye of the needle.. cheers

when people think they are the only one's that get the ticket to heaven, they tend to condemn the rest of the world for not living up to the standard they believe they have, and over time it turns their heart cold. I've seen it a thousand times, the bible thumbing evangelist that twists the words of scripture to fit their narrow view on what it is to be good while they refuse to see the good in others.

personally, I'd rather be stuck in hell and help the lost find their way home. That sounds like heaven to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77416468


Lol, thanks man!

I have been around so many people that are absolutely positive they are going to heaven and I've always said to be careful, that attitude leads you down a dark road.

The bible says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and I believe that was written for a very good reason.

Me personally, I am never sure, I just try to be the best person I can be everyday.

God will do what God will do, He is the Boss!
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


personally, I disagree. fear never lead me anywhere but into more fear, but if it worked for you, then that's just part of what makes us different and I accept that.

many times in my life I've had to choose what I knew would makes things worse in the short term, but I've learned to trust the process and that process pulled me out of the incarceration cycle, off the streets and into the arms of a lovely, loving woman and the kids she gave me.

'all roads lead home' is a truth in my world.

anyway, gotta run, my wife has the next two days off and we have some co op borderlands to play..

have a good day bro, I'm happy to call you friend, and enjoy these discussions.

cheers
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exactly. I refuse to believe in an eternal condemnation for such a brief period of choice without the knowledge that comes from experience..

I mean, think about it..

you have to make mistakes to learn from them, and that is what life is all about.. learning

personally though, I believe this is actually the lowest point in existence.

stuck in gravitational pull and constantly bombarded by the emotional spectrum from the moon, this is pure torment.

I can feel what it would be like outside of it, and it feels much better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77416468


I know, I read the bible and I believe it but its hard for me to imagine God sending someone to infinite torment for a finite life.

Life is all about learning, your right.

I also believe life is learning how to forgive others.

I have a lot of questions for God when I meet Him, to say the least, lol.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


chuckle

I like the way you think bro.

you question some things, but never your heart.

through the eye of the needle.. cheers

when people think they are the only one's that get the ticket to heaven, they tend to condemn the rest of the world for not living up to the standard they believe they have, and over time it turns their heart cold. I've seen it a thousand times, the bible thumbing evangelist that twists the words of scripture to fit their narrow view on what it is to be good while they refuse to see the good in others.

personally, I'd rather be stuck in hell and help the lost find their way home. That sounds like heaven to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77416468


Lol, thanks man!

I have been around so many people that are absolutely positive they are going to heaven and I've always said to be careful, that attitude leads you down a dark road.

The bible says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and I believe that was written for a very good reason.

Me personally, I am never sure, I just try to be the best person I can be everyday.

God will do what God will do, He is the Boss!
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


It's all about perspective Newton now what is heaven to you? If God created a place for you what would be in it?
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I dunno. No hell is kinda like 'shave and a haircut' without the 'two bits.' If there's no punishment for people who get away with stuff to the grave, then why follow any rules at all?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


I agree, its a difficult thing, isn't it?

Like I said before, I think God has a few tricks up His sleeve yet...
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


All I ask is that no one who has shed human blood with their own hands gets into heaven, and that the only other option is hell. Simple.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


that's incredibly short sighted and naive.

but ive played this game with you before, you just beg for attention, in whatever form it takes..
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Come on, dude. These conversations play on goodwill and good faith, all the while complaining of the crappy attitude of those participants they never have the intention of respecting. People who kill kill because they like to kill. Those who make excuses for them do so because they find killing useful. And if a person has a talent, any talent, the group hunts you down and makes you beg for permission to have it. And this is where the killer becomes useful, because this is the talent that is prized above all, by everyone, everywhere, ever.

You don't have to tell the killers of the world to look on the bright side, because you've never treated them with anything other than respect. How much further can any discussion of beauty, ethics, morals, humanity, etc go beyond various sorts of tropes and circular logic? And when someone is a slave, that rhetoric gets played out even more quickly. But seriously, a *dark cloud* is enough to get you nagging right when the effort of the whole drudgery comes to fruition, so that even that can't be enjoyed? Because you don't want to be grateful in any way but writing checks. But give your most flowery thanks to Guido for me ok, Mr. Long View Big Picture?
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I agree, its a difficult thing, isn't it?

Like I said before, I think God has a few tricks up His sleeve yet...
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


All I ask is that no one who has shed human blood with their own hands gets into heaven, and that the only other option is hell. Simple.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


that's incredibly short sighted and naive.

but ive played this game with you before, you just beg for attention, in whatever form it takes..
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Come on, dude. These conversations play on goodwill and good faith, all the while complaining of the crappy attitude of those participants they never have the intention of respecting. People who kill kill because they like to kill. Those who make excuses for them do so because they find killing useful. And if a person has a talent, any talent, the group hunts you down and makes you beg for permission to have it. And this is where the killer becomes useful, because this is the talent that is prized above all, by everyone, everywhere, ever.

You don't have to tell the killers of the world to look on the bright side, because you've never treated them with anything other than respect. How much further can any discussion of beauty, ethics, morals, humanity, etc go beyond various sorts of tropes and circular logic? And when someone is a slave, that rhetoric gets played out even more quickly. But seriously, a *dark cloud* is enough to get you nagging right when the effort of the whole drudgery comes to fruition, so that even that can't be enjoyed? Because you don't want to be grateful in any way but writing checks. But give your most flowery thanks to Guido for me ok, Mr. Long View Big Picture?
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meh, i know your game homie, and i'd rather give my attention elsewhere.
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I dunno. No hell is kinda like 'shave and a haircut' without the 'two bits.' If there's no punishment for people who get away with stuff to the grave, then why follow any rules at all?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


I agree, its a difficult thing, isn't it?

Like I said before, I think God has a few tricks up His sleeve yet...
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


All I ask is that no one who has shed human blood with their own hands gets into heaven, and that the only other option is hell. Simple.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


The Lord is a man of war, the bible says.

Sometimes the shedding of blood is unavoidable.

King David killed men and giants.

So did Joshua and a hundred orhers in the bible, but they were men of God and I believe they are in heaven.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


King David also betrayed a loyal soldier, sending him to his death so that he could sleep with his wife. And he defended his favorite son who raped his own daughter. Heaven...yeah. I think a morality like that makes shedding blood a lot more unavoidable. This is the text that says 'Happy is the man who smashes your infants' heads against the rock, is it not?' Is this the kind of 'happiness' that the blessed enjoy? Even in heaven?
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All I ask is that no one who has shed human blood with their own hands gets into heaven, and that the only other option is hell. Simple.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


that's incredibly short sighted and naive.

but ive played this game with you before, you just beg for attention, in whatever form it takes..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77416468


Come on, dude. These conversations play on goodwill and good faith, all the while complaining of the crappy attitude of those participants they never have the intention of respecting. People who kill kill because they like to kill. Those who make excuses for them do so because they find killing useful. And if a person has a talent, any talent, the group hunts you down and makes you beg for permission to have it. And this is where the killer becomes useful, because this is the talent that is prized above all, by everyone, everywhere, ever.

You don't have to tell the killers of the world to look on the bright side, because you've never treated them with anything other than respect. How much further can any discussion of beauty, ethics, morals, humanity, etc go beyond various sorts of tropes and circular logic? And when someone is a slave, that rhetoric gets played out even more quickly. But seriously, a *dark cloud* is enough to get you nagging right when the effort of the whole drudgery comes to fruition, so that even that can't be enjoyed? Because you don't want to be grateful in any way but writing checks. But give your most flowery thanks to Guido for me ok, Mr. Long View Big Picture?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


meh, i know your game homie, and i'd rather give my attention elsewhere.
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I would much rather have my attention go elsewhere. You're the one with a choice, and in my opinion shouldn't act so burdened by it.
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I know, I read the bible and I believe it but its hard for me to imagine God sending someone to infinite torment for a finite life.

Life is all about learning, your right.

I also believe life is learning how to forgive others.

I have a lot of questions for God when I meet Him, to say the least, lol.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


chuckle

I like the way you think bro.

you question some things, but never your heart.

through the eye of the needle.. cheers

when people think they are the only one's that get the ticket to heaven, they tend to condemn the rest of the world for not living up to the standard they believe they have, and over time it turns their heart cold. I've seen it a thousand times, the bible thumbing evangelist that twists the words of scripture to fit their narrow view on what it is to be good while they refuse to see the good in others.

personally, I'd rather be stuck in hell and help the lost find their way home. That sounds like heaven to me.
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Lol, thanks man!

I have been around so many people that are absolutely positive they are going to heaven and I've always said to be careful, that attitude leads you down a dark road.

The bible says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and I believe that was written for a very good reason.

Me personally, I am never sure, I just try to be the best person I can be everyday.

God will do what God will do, He is the Boss!
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


It's all about perspective Newton now what is heaven to you? If God created a place for you what would be in it?
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My idea of heaven would be for everyone whos ever lived to find their way there after learning the truth and being forgiven of their sins.

I'm probably not a very good Christian but I HATE the idea of anyone going to hell.

I know, there are rapists and murders and all sorts of horrible people that some folks would say deserve it and I get that too.

Its a hard thing to think about and harder still to rationalize.

I enjoy the idea of meeting Moses and Elijah and most of all Jesus Himself. I enjoy the thought of talking with them about the times they lived in and what they learned.

I really, really want to meet Enoch and hear his story first hand.

My idea of heaven is so large its hard to explain it right.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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All I ask is that no one who has shed human blood with their own hands gets into heaven, and that the only other option is hell. Simple.
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That's not how it works. Even the worst offender can be redeemed.

Even the one would have committed offensive actions. Some very heavy offenses. They would have then redeemed themselves. It's the only way they would be able to see both sides. From Sinner to Saint back to somewhere in between becoming the neutral space.
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A good Christian wouldn't want to see anyone in hell. They wouldn't condemn others even if their lifestyle repulsed them. They would be tolerant, accepting of people's use of free will to a point. There are lines that should never be crossed. Some who commit the most offensive acts in the eyes of God will never be redeemable. Don't worry about where their soul is going.
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chuckle

I like the way you think bro.

you question some things, but never your heart.

through the eye of the needle.. cheers

when people think they are the only one's that get the ticket to heaven, they tend to condemn the rest of the world for not living up to the standard they believe they have, and over time it turns their heart cold. I've seen it a thousand times, the bible thumbing evangelist that twists the words of scripture to fit their narrow view on what it is to be good while they refuse to see the good in others.

personally, I'd rather be stuck in hell and help the lost find their way home. That sounds like heaven to me.
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Lol, thanks man!

I have been around so many people that are absolutely positive they are going to heaven and I've always said to be careful, that attitude leads you down a dark road.

The bible says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and I believe that was written for a very good reason.

Me personally, I am never sure, I just try to be the best person I can be everyday.

God will do what God will do, He is the Boss!
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


It's all about perspective Newton now what is heaven to you? If God created a place for you what would be in it?
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My idea of heaven would be for everyone whos ever lived to find their way there after learning the truth and being forgiven of their sins.

I'm probably not a very good Christian but I HATE the idea of anyone going to hell.

I know, there are rapists and murders and all sorts of horrible people that some folks would say deserve it and I get that too.

Its a hard thing to think about and harder still to rationalize.

I enjoy the idea of meeting Moses and Elijah and most of all Jesus Himself. I enjoy the thought of talking with them about the times they lived in and what they learned.

I really, really want to meet Enoch and hear his story first hand.

My idea of heaven is so large its hard to explain it right.
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So a place where you could meet these spirits? What about family would you have any? What about beer? Sex? Rock and roll? Freewill? Wonder what it looks like?bonghit
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I agree, its a difficult thing, isn't it?

Like I said before, I think God has a few tricks up His sleeve yet...
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


All I ask is that no one who has shed human blood with their own hands gets into heaven, and that the only other option is hell. Simple.
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


The Lord is a man of war, the bible says.

Sometimes the shedding of blood is unavoidable.

King David killed men and giants.

So did Joshua and a hundred orhers in the bible, but they were men of God and I believe they are in heaven.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


King David also betrayed a loyal soldier, sending him to his death so that he could sleep with his wife. And he defended his favorite son who raped his own daughter. Heaven...yeah. I think a morality like that makes shedding blood a lot more unavoidable. This is the text that says 'Happy is the man who smashes your infants' heads against the rock, is it not?' Is this the kind of 'happiness' that the blessed enjoy? Even in heaven?
 Quoting: SureThingBuddy


King David did horrible things, but God said He was a man after His own heart.

All God saw was his heart and Apparantly it was good.

God always uses flawed men to accomplish His will.

There are many things in the bible I don't agree with, but the fact remains God is sovereign and what he says goes, regardless of how you feel about it.

That's why I decided to cultivate my heart, because I couldn't understand all the things that the bible says.

Some of sounds absolutely barbaric but it was also written in a time when the world was a much harsher place.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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All of you good Christians are here waiting to go to your hell.

You had it rigged to leave the innocent imprisoned, and I ended that.

Your choices are to now unfuck yourselves or join sprinkles in galaxy 5.
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All I ask is that no one who has shed human blood with their own hands gets into heaven, and that the only other option is hell. Simple.
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That's not how it works. Even the worst offender can be redeemed.

Even the one would have committed offensive actions. Some very heavy offenses. They would have then redeemed themselves. It's the only way they would be able to see both sides. From Sinner to Saint back to somewhere in between becoming the neutral space.
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Here's the flip side. The whole idea of redemption involves the possibility of an ostensible person for whom every innocent pleasure, every feeling of accomplishment, every single rite of passage is shat on by someone attempting to make them 'better' or stop them from being 'selfish.' The person stressing forgiveness cannot even tell that person they were done wrong, and must additionally call them a bigger sinner in heart than the person who has removed potentially innocent people from the world. And if they persist in their claim, quoting the very text used to testify to the sincerity of the people punishing them for things now revealed not to have been sins at all (provided you are the right person, of course), then the killer is trotted out. He is free of the conscience that is cultivated in the other person as he threatens to do horrible things to a person who has not done anything to other people simply because they won't drop the fact that the law doesn't apply to everyone, even in matters of capital offenses.

So since the law doesn't add up to God, because it doesn't add up at all, it seems natural to discuss the society and its very human motivations for enforcing a supposedly divine law in such a blatantly political way (have they no FAITH?). But the conversation never seems to get there, despite the non-negotiable demand that this patsy has made of them to think about God all the fucking time. But no dark clouds, or none of the suffering, none of the work counts! The easy way to dispel those clouds is to simply say that the world is already perfectly just and always was. But this is unacceptable because people YOU care about have gotten hurt, and you are unwilling to say to them the things you have said to me. But 'love,' right?
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Lol, thanks man!

I have been around so many people that are absolutely positive they are going to heaven and I've always said to be careful, that attitude leads you down a dark road.

The bible says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and I believe that was written for a very good reason.

Me personally, I am never sure, I just try to be the best person I can be everyday.

God will do what God will do, He is the Boss!
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


It's all about perspective Newton now what is heaven to you? If God created a place for you what would be in it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15371119


My idea of heaven would be for everyone whos ever lived to find their way there after learning the truth and being forgiven of their sins.

I'm probably not a very good Christian but I HATE the idea of anyone going to hell.

I know, there are rapists and murders and all sorts of horrible people that some folks would say deserve it and I get that too.

Its a hard thing to think about and harder still to rationalize.

I enjoy the idea of meeting Moses and Elijah and most of all Jesus Himself. I enjoy the thought of talking with them about the times they lived in and what they learned.

I really, really want to meet Enoch and hear his story first hand.

My idea of heaven is so large its hard to explain it right.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


So a place where you could meet these spirits? What about family would you have any? What about beer? Sex? Rock and roll? Freewill? Wonder what it looks like?bonghit
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Of course I'd love my family to be there, but thats kind of selfish. I'd love ALL families to be there.
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A good Christian wouldn't want to see anyone in hell. They wouldn't condemn others even if their lifestyle repulsed them. They would be tolerant, accepting of people's use of free will to a point. There are lines that should never be crossed. Some who commit the most offensive acts in the eyes of God will never be redeemable. Don't worry about where their soul is going.
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I admire this post and your spirit.

Loving but tough.

Well said.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.
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All of your writing means shit, and if you continue the diatribe, I will remove the capacity to do such.

You made up everything here, it does not apply to me or anyone that wishes to be free.

Deal with it.
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All of your writing means shit, and if you continue the diatribe, I will remove the capacity to do such.

You made up everything here, it does not apply to me or anyone that wishes to be free.

Deal with it.
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you should get a puppy. hf
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I know, I read the bible and I believe it but its hard for me to imagine God sending someone to infinite torment for a finite life.

Life is all about learning, your right.

I also believe life is learning how to forgive others.

I have a lot of questions for God when I meet Him, to say the least, lol.
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chuckle

I like the way you think bro.

you question some things, but never your heart.

through the eye of the needle.. cheers

when people think they are the only one's that get the ticket to heaven, they tend to condemn the rest of the world for not living up to the standard they believe they have, and over time it turns their heart cold. I've seen it a thousand times, the bible thumbing evangelist that twists the words of scripture to fit their narrow view on what it is to be good while they refuse to see the good in others.

personally, I'd rather be stuck in hell and help the lost find their way home. That sounds like heaven to me.
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Lol, thanks man!

I have been around so many people that are absolutely positive they are going to heaven and I've always said to be careful, that attitude leads you down a dark road.

The bible says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and I believe that was written for a very good reason.

Me personally, I am never sure, I just try to be the best person I can be everyday.

God will do what God will do, He is the Boss!
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personally, I disagree. fear never lead me anywhere but into more fear, but if it worked for you, then that's just part of what makes us different and I accept that.

many times in my life I've had to choose what I knew would makes things worse in the short term, but I've learned to trust the process and that process pulled me out of the incarceration cycle, off the streets and into the arms of a lovely, loving woman and the kids she gave me.

'all roads lead home' is a truth in my world.

anyway, gotta run, my wife has the next two days off and we have some co op borderlands to play..

have a good day bro, I'm happy to call you friend, and enjoy these discussions.

cheers
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I understand you.

Your path also made you incredibly smart and strong.

Mine wasn't one of total fear but, as the bible says, fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

I know we disagree on a couple things, but I am also very happy to call you a friend.

Have a good day bro.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.
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All of your writing means shit, and if you continue the diatribe, I will remove the capacity to do such.

You made up everything here, it does not apply to me or anyone that wishes to be free.

Deal with it.
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lol you talking to me?

Do what you must, I'm right here waiting.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.
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chuckle

I like the way you think bro.

you question some things, but never your heart.

through the eye of the needle.. cheers

when people think they are the only one's that get the ticket to heaven, they tend to condemn the rest of the world for not living up to the standard they believe they have, and over time it turns their heart cold. I've seen it a thousand times, the bible thumbing evangelist that twists the words of scripture to fit their narrow view on what it is to be good while they refuse to see the good in others.

personally, I'd rather be stuck in hell and help the lost find their way home. That sounds like heaven to me.
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Lol, thanks man!

I have been around so many people that are absolutely positive they are going to heaven and I've always said to be careful, that attitude leads you down a dark road.

The bible says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and I believe that was written for a very good reason.

Me personally, I am never sure, I just try to be the best person I can be everyday.

God will do what God will do, He is the Boss!
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


personally, I disagree. fear never lead me anywhere but into more fear, but if it worked for you, then that's just part of what makes us different and I accept that.

many times in my life I've had to choose what I knew would makes things worse in the short term, but I've learned to trust the process and that process pulled me out of the incarceration cycle, off the streets and into the arms of a lovely, loving woman and the kids she gave me.

'all roads lead home' is a truth in my world.

anyway, gotta run, my wife has the next two days off and we have some co op borderlands to play..

have a good day bro, I'm happy to call you friend, and enjoy these discussions.

cheers
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I understand you.

Your path also made you incredibly smart and strong.

Mine wasn't one of total fear but, as the bible says, fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

I know we disagree on a couple things, but I am also very happy to call you a friend.

Have a good day bro.
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you too. cheers
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devils and demons often attempt to portray themselves as sources of light! this is a snakepit!

those who make a mockery by G-d by insinuating their opinion is of value, will bare the consequence, whether they believe so or not!

newton is gaslighting!
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chuckle

I like the way you think bro.

you question some things, but never your heart.

through the eye of the needle.. cheers

when people think they are the only one's that get the ticket to heaven, they tend to condemn the rest of the world for not living up to the standard they believe they have, and over time it turns their heart cold. I've seen it a thousand times, the bible thumbing evangelist that twists the words of scripture to fit their narrow view on what it is to be good while they refuse to see the good in others.

personally, I'd rather be stuck in hell and help the lost find their way home. That sounds like heaven to me.
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Lol, thanks man!

I have been around so many people that are absolutely positive they are going to heaven and I've always said to be careful, that attitude leads you down a dark road.

The bible says to work out your salvation with fear and trembling and I believe that was written for a very good reason.

Me personally, I am never sure, I just try to be the best person I can be everyday.

God will do what God will do, He is the Boss!
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


personally, I disagree. fear never lead me anywhere but into more fear, but if it worked for you, then that's just part of what makes us different and I accept that.

many times in my life I've had to choose what I knew would makes things worse in the short term, but I've learned to trust the process and that process pulled me out of the incarceration cycle, off the streets and into the arms of a lovely, loving woman and the kids she gave me.

'all roads lead home' is a truth in my world.

anyway, gotta run, my wife has the next two days off and we have some co op borderlands to play..

have a good day bro, I'm happy to call you friend, and enjoy these discussions.

cheers
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I understand you.

Your path also made you incredibly smart and strong.

Mine wasn't one of total fear but, as the bible says, fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

I know we disagree on a couple things, but I am also very happy to call you a friend.

Have a good day bro.
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I got to know the Lord out of total fear, I repented like no one had died for my sins. Each to their own.
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devils and demons often attempt to portray themselves as sources of light! this is a snakepit!

those who make a mockery by G-d by insinuating their opinion is of value, will bare the consequence, whether they believe so or not!

newton is gaslighting!
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Watch out for fools and liars but beware the honest man.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

Fear cuts deeper than swords.
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orphesus do you present materials as your own, without properly documenting their proper source?
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devils and demons often attempt to portray themselves as sources of light! this is a snakepit!

those who make a mockery by G-d by insinuating their opinion is of value, will bare the consequence, whether they believe so or not!

newton is gaslighting!
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Watch out for fools and liars but beware the honest man.
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just as the one who waits would say.





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