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Dozens of Chemtrail X's in the Sky Today. Who Else Has Seen These X's Lately?

 
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Contrails are made of the EXACT same thing as natural clouds. Are you suggesting that natural clouds can't last all day if the conditions are right?

That IS how contrails work!

Your VERY basic understanding of jet engines leaves a lot to be desired. What about the added moisture created through combustion? What about the nuclei? What about RH?

I love how you are suggesting that the sun burns off clouds...but allows natural clouds to remain.

There are many sources of aluminum in our ecosystem. And the whole thing about "particulate aluminum" is stupid. Aluminum is found in testing regardless of the form. I suggest you learn about acid deposition and learn a LOT more about aluminum in general. You have been "learning" from other chemtards, obviously.
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Certainly however on a day devoid of clouds a contrail CANNOT PERSIST connecting with other contrails as the spread out causing an overcast sky.


It is not physically possible in a sky devoid of clouds

And the word particulate is not stupid. It infact delineates a very specific state of aluminum as in a particle. And aluminum in particulate form again foes NOT exists in nature. Aluminum MUST be manipulated in an artificial process to become particulate form .

Im sorry your knowledge of commercial aviation as well as basic geology is so lacking you attempt to explain away specific scientific states of particular matter as stupid , be that as it may does not change the facts as they exist.
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What does the day being devoid of clouds have to do with anything? Hydrocarbon combustion adds moisture to the air, so if the air at altitude is close to saturation, the add moisture will be enough to make a persistent contrail.

Again, your education by other chmetards is showing!

It certainly IS possible! YOU are ignorant!

I never said the word particulate is stupid. I'm saying that it is stupid to assume that any aluminum comes from the trails we see form behind jet engines. There are many sources of aluminum in our ecosystem that you are obviously ignorant about. If there is ANY form of aluminum in a sample, the sample will test positive for aluminum. The test does NOT differentiate between forms.

It's your understanding of these subjects that is lacking. Don't believe me? Consult ANY expert on the planet with this thread and ask who is right. I'll wait.

Again, it is obvious that chemtards "learn" these subjects from other chemtards.
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That matters because if the atmosphere was at saturation point able to sustain clouds all day that saturation would manifest in clouds of which there were none sans the chemtrails that I watched over the course of the day spread out contacting each other till there was a dirty brownish tined haze over the entire sky.

....period
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NOPE! You are assuming that the saturation on any given day is uniform through all altitudes and that the same goes for RH.

At altitude, it is much colder, so air can't hold as much moisture before it condenses out. Add the moisture from combustion, and the nuclei, and trails can easily persist.

PERIOD!
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If they make an X. then it is not a commercial airliner or a contrail. It is deliberate.
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And why does an "X" have any meaning to the pilots?
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The pilots do as told. X is a big occult symbol, a death symbol.
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Folks contrails come from passenger and commercial plaines hauling stuff.

CHEMTRAILS come from TANKER PLANES.. Understand the difference...

 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


And all I ask is that evidence to support such BS be provided.

So far, [email protected]

No "tanker planes" and no evidence that the trails don't come from commercial aviation.
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Your ignorant opinion about an image means nothing.
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and it's OBVIOUSLY higher than 2000 feet!
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It in fact was not. Simple geometry suggests it was right around 2-3k feet. As that formation was approx 1 mile from where I was and the bottom leg was obscured by a 60ft tree of which I was standing 50ft from.

Using those calculations of distance of the formation obscured by 60ft obstruction viewed from 50 feet away from the obstruction gives about a 50degree viewing angle suggesting the lower obstructed portion should be right around 2500ft altitude.
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sure...
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Its easy for an uneducated person to dismiss my geolocation data but my geometry is sound.

And i know it was a mile due to the fact my house is precisely 7/10th of a mile to the infian river and i was looking almost 90 degrees vertically up at this thing as i noticed it approaching my turn on my motorcycle. And it was a few degrees off vertical over the river so i gave it an additional 2-3/10th of a mile and the rest is standard geometric calculations from my trees height in relation to my viewing distance from it. It was approx 2k feet.


Which negates the possibility of any flight pattern known to aviation at that altitude. ATC does not direct aircraft to make nonsensical patterns at that altitude.

That is ascent/decent/emergency traffic only.
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and it's OBVIOUSLY higher than 2000 feet!
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It in fact was not. Simple geometry suggests it was right around 2-3k feet. As that formation was approx 1 mile from where I was and the bottom leg was obscured by a 60ft tree of which I was standing 50ft from.

Using those calculations of distance of the formation obscured by 60ft obstruction viewed from 50 feet away from the obstruction gives about a 50degree viewing angle suggesting the lower obstructed portion should be right around 2500ft altitude.
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sure...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78108995


Its easy for an uneducated person to dismiss my geolocation data but my geometry is sound.

And i know it was a mile due to the fact my house is precisely 7/10th of a mile to the infian river and i was looking almost 90 degrees vertically up at this thing as i noticed it approaching my turn on my motorcycle. And it was a few degrees off vertical over the river so i gave it an additional 2-3/10th of a mile and the rest is standard geometric calculations from my trees height in relation to my viewing distance from it. It was approx 2k feet.


Which negates the possibility of any flight pattern known to aviation at that altitude. ATC does not direct aircraft to make nonsensical patterns at that altitude.

That is ascent/decent/emergency traffic only.
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Look, a Cessna flies at a max altitude of 10,000 feet. You are suggesting that the "E" is much lower than that. What jet aircraft flies that low? And why would they be making an "E" at that altitude. And where are the pictures or video of a plane traveling at 2000 feet. It's fucking ridiculous.

If you can't see the STUPID assumptions you are making in your calculations, I can't help you.

I also don't care that you believe what you write.
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Certainly however on a day devoid of clouds a contrail CANNOT PERSIST connecting with other contrails as the spread out causing an overcast sky.


It is not physically possible in a sky devoid of clouds

And the word particulate is not stupid. It infact delineates a very specific state of aluminum as in a particle. And aluminum in particulate form again foes NOT exists in nature. Aluminum MUST be manipulated in an artificial process to become particulate form .

Im sorry your knowledge of commercial aviation as well as basic geology is so lacking you attempt to explain away specific scientific states of particular matter as stupid , be that as it may does not change the facts as they exist.
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What does the day being devoid of clouds have to do with anything? Hydrocarbon combustion adds moisture to the air, so if the air at altitude is close to saturation, the add moisture will be enough to make a persistent contrail.

Again, your education by other chmetards is showing!

It certainly IS possible! YOU are ignorant!

I never said the word particulate is stupid. I'm saying that it is stupid to assume that any aluminum comes from the trails we see form behind jet engines. There are many sources of aluminum in our ecosystem that you are obviously ignorant about. If there is ANY form of aluminum in a sample, the sample will test positive for aluminum. The test does NOT differentiate between forms.

It's your understanding of these subjects that is lacking. Don't believe me? Consult ANY expert on the planet with this thread and ask who is right. I'll wait.

Again, it is obvious that chemtards "learn" these subjects from other chemtards.
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That matters because if the atmosphere was at saturation point able to sustain clouds all day that saturation would manifest in clouds of which there were none sans the chemtrails that I watched over the course of the day spread out contacting each other till there was a dirty brownish tined haze over the entire sky.

....period
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890


NOPE! You are assuming that the saturation on any given day is uniform through all altitudes and that the same goes for RH.

At altitude, it is much colder, so air can't hold as much moisture before it condenses out. Add the moisture from combustion, and the nuclei, and trails can easily persist.

PERIOD!
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Saturation wouldnt need to be uniform . Again if it were at saturation point SOMEWHERE in that sky condensation would have occurred.

I live in florida trust me when saturation point is achieved there is ALWAYS enough humidity for condensation to materialize as a cloud.
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It in fact was not. Simple geometry suggests it was right around 2-3k feet. As that formation was approx 1 mile from where I was and the bottom leg was obscured by a 60ft tree of which I was standing 50ft from.

Using those calculations of distance of the formation obscured by 60ft obstruction viewed from 50 feet away from the obstruction gives about a 50degree viewing angle suggesting the lower obstructed portion should be right around 2500ft altitude.
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sure...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78108995


Its easy for an uneducated person to dismiss my geolocation data but my geometry is sound.

And i know it was a mile due to the fact my house is precisely 7/10th of a mile to the infian river and i was looking almost 90 degrees vertically up at this thing as i noticed it approaching my turn on my motorcycle. And it was a few degrees off vertical over the river so i gave it an additional 2-3/10th of a mile and the rest is standard geometric calculations from my trees height in relation to my viewing distance from it. It was approx 2k feet.


Which negates the possibility of any flight pattern known to aviation at that altitude. ATC does not direct aircraft to make nonsensical patterns at that altitude.

That is ascent/decent/emergency traffic only.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890


Look, a Cessna flies at a max altitude of 10,000 feet. You are suggesting that the "E" is much lower than that. What jet aircraft flies that low? And why would they be making an "E" at that altitude. And where are the pictures or video of a plane traveling at 2000 feet. It's fucking ridiculous.

If you can't see the STUPID assumptions you are making in your calculations, I can't help you.

I also don't care that you believe what you write.
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Ive seen it over and over. Spraying at 5- 7k feet.

The trails drop to 3k feet and by nighttime the heavy metal barium aluminum and strontium have hit the ground level.

These arent frozen water crystals that maintain altitude before burning off. These are heavy metals that sink throughout the day till they hit the surface.

Ive seen the chemtrails soo concentrated immediately after being sprayed they begin to drop out of the main trail looking like a solid curtain coming down from a curtain rod.


Your ignorance of the status quo will never trump what ive seen.

The broken brownish tinted rainbow fragments reflecting light off the heavily Concentrated metals in those trail.

None of it.


Your lack of general aviation practices , what contrails are and how they work is glaringly obvious.


Contrails are water vapor crystals that burn off. No contrail can remain all day spreading out till it makes the whole sky hazy . Particulate aluminum does not exists in nature and turbine jetliners do not make nonsensical overlapping flight patterns below 15k feet.

If you wanna live your life believing everything is just fine by all means.

However; trying to convince someone that is educated to know better is futile and moot.
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3 today. Central AZ.

I've wondered lately if they are dropping pheromones with that barium.

In the 80's AG sprayers put themselves out of business in AZ
by spraying pheromones on the bugs in the cotton fields, so they didn't know if they were girls or boys. Bugs couldn't reproduce so no reason to spray for three years after.

Cotton fields have been mostly paved over and sprawling
cookie cutter urban living nightmares constructed. Like Ahwatukee. No more orange groves either.

All the chemtrails could be population reduction efforts.
There certainly has been a rise in gender confusion since
they started.
 Quoting: titanbrian


Hmmmm....Only 3 chemtrails. We have dozens in one day. Today the sky was filled with X's. Just wondering why they are still spraying and why X's?

I have no idea why they are doing this.
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The "X's" are for the purpose of satellite tracking. It helps the scum aim, determine wind pattern and exactly where they want to lay down the plumes that will turn the sky into chem soup.
 Quoting: Bullshit Terminator


bingo-ni
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What does the day being devoid of clouds have to do with anything? Hydrocarbon combustion adds moisture to the air, so if the air at altitude is close to saturation, the add moisture will be enough to make a persistent contrail.

Again, your education by other chmetards is showing!

It certainly IS possible! YOU are ignorant!

I never said the word particulate is stupid. I'm saying that it is stupid to assume that any aluminum comes from the trails we see form behind jet engines. There are many sources of aluminum in our ecosystem that you are obviously ignorant about. If there is ANY form of aluminum in a sample, the sample will test positive for aluminum. The test does NOT differentiate between forms.

It's your understanding of these subjects that is lacking. Don't believe me? Consult ANY expert on the planet with this thread and ask who is right. I'll wait.

Again, it is obvious that chemtards "learn" these subjects from other chemtards.
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That matters because if the atmosphere was at saturation point able to sustain clouds all day that saturation would manifest in clouds of which there were none sans the chemtrails that I watched over the course of the day spread out contacting each other till there was a dirty brownish tined haze over the entire sky.

....period
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NOPE! You are assuming that the saturation on any given day is uniform through all altitudes and that the same goes for RH.

At altitude, it is much colder, so air can't hold as much moisture before it condenses out. Add the moisture from combustion, and the nuclei, and trails can easily persist.

PERIOD!
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Saturation wouldnt need to be uniform . Again if it were at saturation point SOMEWHERE in that sky condensation would have occurred.

I live in florida trust me when saturation point is achieved there is ALWAYS enough humidity for condensation to materialize as a cloud.
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What?!

You haven't proven that the air at altitude wasn't close to saturation and the moisture added through combustion was all it need to push at past supersaturation.

What does living in Florida have to do with the conditions at 30,000 feet?
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sure...
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Its easy for an uneducated person to dismiss my geolocation data but my geometry is sound.

And i know it was a mile due to the fact my house is precisely 7/10th of a mile to the infian river and i was looking almost 90 degrees vertically up at this thing as i noticed it approaching my turn on my motorcycle. And it was a few degrees off vertical over the river so i gave it an additional 2-3/10th of a mile and the rest is standard geometric calculations from my trees height in relation to my viewing distance from it. It was approx 2k feet.


Which negates the possibility of any flight pattern known to aviation at that altitude. ATC does not direct aircraft to make nonsensical patterns at that altitude.

That is ascent/decent/emergency traffic only.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890


Look, a Cessna flies at a max altitude of 10,000 feet. You are suggesting that the "E" is much lower than that. What jet aircraft flies that low? And why would they be making an "E" at that altitude. And where are the pictures or video of a plane traveling at 2000 feet. It's fucking ridiculous.

If you can't see the STUPID assumptions you are making in your calculations, I can't help you.

I also don't care that you believe what you write.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78108995

Ive seen it over and over. Spraying at 5- 7k feet.

The trails drop to 3k feet and by nighttime the heavy metal barium aluminum and strontium have hit the ground level.

These arent frozen water crystals that maintain altitude before burning off. These are heavy metals that sink throughout the day till they hit the surface.

Ive seen the chemtrails soo concentrated immediately after being sprayed they begin to drop out of the main trail looking like a solid curtain coming down from a curtain rod.


Your ignorance of the status quo will never trump what ive seen.

The broken brownish tinted rainbow fragments reflecting light off the heavily Concentrated metals in those trail.

None of it.


Your lack of general aviation practices , what contrails are and how they work is glaringly obvious.


Contrails are water vapor crystals that burn off. No contrail can remain all day spreading out till it makes the whole sky hazy . Particulate aluminum does not exists in nature and turbine jetliners do not make nonsensical overlapping flight patterns below 15k feet.

If you wanna live your life believing everything is just fine by all means.

However; trying to convince someone that is educated to know better is futile and moot.
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More claims...zero evidence.


And no, contrails behave just like natural clouds. If the conditions are right, they persist. If not, they don't.

And there is no such thing as "water vapor crystals".

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I never claimed everything is fine. My position is that chemtards have not proven the trails in the sky, that have formed behind jet engines, are anything but contrails.

You are NOT educated in aviation or contrails. That's the point!
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3 today. Central AZ.

I've wondered lately if they are dropping pheromones with that barium.

In the 80's AG sprayers put themselves out of business in AZ
by spraying pheromones on the bugs in the cotton fields, so they didn't know if they were girls or boys. Bugs couldn't reproduce so no reason to spray for three years after.

Cotton fields have been mostly paved over and sprawling
cookie cutter urban living nightmares constructed. Like Ahwatukee. No more orange groves either.

All the chemtrails could be population reduction efforts.
There certainly has been a rise in gender confusion since
they started.
 Quoting: titanbrian


Hmmmm....Only 3 chemtrails. We have dozens in one day. Today the sky was filled with X's. Just wondering why they are still spraying and why X's?

I have no idea why they are doing this.
 Quoting: Kitty Kat




The "X's" are for the purpose of satellite tracking. It helps the scum aim, determine wind pattern and exactly where they want to lay down the plumes that will turn the sky into chem soup.
 Quoting: Bullshit Terminator


bingo-ni
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Why would pilots need a visible "X" when they have sophisticated avionics that they can share waypoints with other pilots? The avionics would also be able to compensate for winds.

It makes no sense.
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That matters because if the atmosphere was at saturation point able to sustain clouds all day that saturation would manifest in clouds of which there were none sans the chemtrails that I watched over the course of the day spread out contacting each other till there was a dirty brownish tined haze over the entire sky.

....period
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890


NOPE! You are assuming that the saturation on any given day is uniform through all altitudes and that the same goes for RH.

At altitude, it is much colder, so air can't hold as much moisture before it condenses out. Add the moisture from combustion, and the nuclei, and trails can easily persist.

PERIOD!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78108995


Saturation wouldnt need to be uniform . Again if it were at saturation point SOMEWHERE in that sky condensation would have occurred.

I live in florida trust me when saturation point is achieved there is ALWAYS enough humidity for condensation to materialize as a cloud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890


What?!

You haven't proven that the air at altitude wasn't close to saturation and the moisture added through combustion was all it need to push at past supersaturation.

What does living in Florida have to do with the conditions at 30,000 feet?
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Were not talking about 30k feet we are talking about a MAX spray altitude of 9k feet. And that contrail cant cause suustained supersaturation because atmospheric conditions cant sustain. It. Super saturation MUST occur naturally and even if it isnt linear due to changing atmospheric conditions and microclimates it would be dynamic in nature allowing supersaturation to occur SOMEWHERE in the visible sky .


Moisture from a turbine isnt water causing a cup to overflow .

Microclimates establish a natural dynamic equilibrium. Either you are close enough to supersaturation and condensation begins to occur in a limited state to where persistence can occur or it is not close enough and no natural condensation can occur and artificially introduced moisture can not persist.


Theres no way around science my guy. Try as you may.
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Hmmmm....Only 3 chemtrails. We have dozens in one day. Today the sky was filled with X's. Just wondering why they are still spraying and why X's?

I have no idea why they are doing this.
 Quoting: Kitty Kat




The "X's" are for the purpose of satellite tracking. It helps the scum aim, determine wind pattern and exactly where they want to lay down the plumes that will turn the sky into chem soup.
 Quoting: Bullshit Terminator


bingo-ni
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78007690


Why would pilots need a visible "X" when they have sophisticated avionics that they can share waypoints with other pilots? The avionics would also be able to compensate for winds.

It makes no sense.
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Way points cant accound for the dynamic nature of windpatterns . By physically marking certain waypoints , satellites can then observe trending wind patterns and have a better idea where to deploy the main dispersal to target specific localities while taking into account drift data extrapolated from the initial deployment of marking trails.
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NOPE! You are assuming that the saturation on any given day is uniform through all altitudes and that the same goes for RH.

At altitude, it is much colder, so air can't hold as much moisture before it condenses out. Add the moisture from combustion, and the nuclei, and trails can easily persist.

PERIOD!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78108995


Saturation wouldnt need to be uniform . Again if it were at saturation point SOMEWHERE in that sky condensation would have occurred.

I live in florida trust me when saturation point is achieved there is ALWAYS enough humidity for condensation to materialize as a cloud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890


What?!

You haven't proven that the air at altitude wasn't close to saturation and the moisture added through combustion was all it need to push at past supersaturation.

What does living in Florida have to do with the conditions at 30,000 feet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78108995


Were not talking about 30k feet we are talking about a MAX spray altitude of 9k feet. And that contrail cant cause suustained supersaturation because atmospheric conditions cant sustain. It. Super saturation MUST occur naturally and even if it isnt linear due to changing atmospheric conditions and microclimates it would be dynamic in nature allowing supersaturation to occur SOMEWHERE in the visible sky .


Moisture from a turbine isnt water causing a cup to overflow .

Microclimates establish a natural dynamic equilibrium. Either you are close enough to supersaturation and condensation begins to occur in a limited state to where persistence can occur or it is not close enough and no natural condensation can occur and artificially introduced moisture can not persist.


Theres no way around science my guy. Try as you may.
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Again, I'm not interested in claims from people who obviously know nothing about contrails.

And artificially induced moisture CAN persist if the air is saturated with respect to ice. And you have FAILED to show that wasn't the case.

The moisture from the engines will "cause the cup to overflow" if the cup is filled right to the brim.
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The "X's" are for the purpose of satellite tracking. It helps the scum aim, determine wind pattern and exactly where they want to lay down the plumes that will turn the sky into chem soup.
 Quoting: Bullshit Terminator


bingo-ni
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78007690


Why would pilots need a visible "X" when they have sophisticated avionics that they can share waypoints with other pilots? The avionics would also be able to compensate for winds.

It makes no sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78108995


Way points cant accound for the dynamic nature of windpatterns . By physically marking certain waypoints , satellites can then observe trending wind patterns and have a better idea where to deploy the main dispersal to target specific localities while taking into account drift data extrapolated from the initial deployment of marking trails.
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interesting suspicions. Too bad they are ONLY rooted in paranoid fear.

There is STILL nothing that proves one pilot puts figures into the sky, intentionally, for others to use in any way.

There is still no evidence that anything in the trails is there for the purpose of reaching us...for ANYTHING.
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NOPE! You are assuming that the saturation on any given day is uniform through all altitudes and that the same goes for RH.

At altitude, it is much colder, so air can't hold as much moisture before it condenses out. Add the moisture from combustion, and the nuclei, and trails can easily persist.

PERIOD!
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Saturation wouldnt need to be uniform . Again if it were at saturation point SOMEWHERE in that sky condensation would have occurred.

I live in florida trust me when saturation point is achieved there is ALWAYS enough humidity for condensation to materialize as a cloud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76857890


What?!

You haven't proven that the air at altitude wasn't close to saturation and the moisture added through combustion was all it need to push at past supersaturation.

What does living in Florida have to do with the conditions at 30,000 feet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78108995


Were not talking about 30k feet we are talking about a MAX spray altitude of 9k feet. And that contrail cant cause suustained supersaturation because atmospheric conditions cant sustain. It. Super saturation MUST occur naturally and even if it isnt linear due to changing atmospheric conditions and microclimates it would be dynamic in nature allowing supersaturation to occur SOMEWHERE in the visible sky .


Moisture from a turbine isnt water causing a cup to overflow .

Microclimates establish a natural dynamic equilibrium. Either you are close enough to supersaturation and condensation begins to occur in a limited state to where persistence can occur or it is not close enough and no natural condensation can occur and artificially introduced moisture can not persist.


Theres no way around science my guy. Try as you may.
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Go ahead and share your claims with a REAL atmospheric scientist and see what he/she says.

I believe you are wrong.

You believe you are correct.

If you find an actual scientist that says contrails can't form in such conditions, even if the area is saturated with respect to ice, I will concede defeat.

Until then, you are talking out your ass.
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2300 years ago Socrates said "True Wisdom Comes To Each Of Us When We Realize How Little We Know..." Marinate on that for a minute to understand both chemtards and deniers have been programmed to run scripted debate that lead nowhere. Both sides are getting nothing more done than retarded cats chasing their own tails. There is no winning in that.

Break the cycle of pre-programmed Binary-Thinking and don't be a fucking low vibration digitard.

"Harmless" jet contrails are made of water vapor and or ice crystals. Science proves they meet the definition of Man-Made Cirrus Clouds.

Science also proves that Cirrus Clouds have a Net Warming Effect. They allow Short Wavelength Radiation(Sunlight) to easily pass through while trapping Long Wavelength Radiation(Heat!) rising from Earth. This meets the exact definition of the Greenhouse Effect.

Don't let that put uncomfortable twists in your panties Chemtards(said in a loving manner). I am NOT saying water vapor is the only thing up there. I am simply flipping the scrip on the deniers and using real science to prove their own talking points wrong.

Learn Clouds to undue to manipulation. Cumulus Clouds have a net Cooling effect, but they are Very Difficult to make unintentionally with jet planes. Cirrus Clouds have a net Warming Effect. Science Is Real.

MAGA
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2300 years ago Socrates said "True Wisdom Comes To Each Of Us When We Realize How Little We Know..." Marinate on that for a minute to understand both chemtards and deniers have been programmed to run scripted debate that lead nowhere. Both sides are getting nothing more done than retarded cats chasing their own tails. There is no winning in that.

Break the cycle of pre-programmed Binary-Thinking and don't be a fucking low vibration digitard.

"Harmless" jet contrails are made of water vapor and or ice crystals. Science proves they meet the definition of Man-Made Cirrus Clouds.

Science also proves that Cirrus Clouds have a Net Warming Effect. They allow Short Wavelength Radiation(Sunlight) to easily pass through while trapping Long Wavelength Radiation(Heat!) rising from Earth. This meets the exact definition of the Greenhouse Effect.

Don't let that put uncomfortable twists in your panties Chemtards(said in a loving manner). I am NOT saying water vapor is the only thing up there. I am simply flipping the scrip on the deniers and using real science to prove their own talking points wrong.

Learn Clouds to undue to manipulation. Cumulus Clouds have a net Cooling effect, but they are Very Difficult to make unintentionally with jet planes. Cirrus Clouds have a net Warming Effect. Science Is Real.

MAGA
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How does that prove "chemtrail" deniers wrong?

And of course water vapor isn't the only thing in the sky. Every element on the periodic table is everywhere in our atmosphere at varying concentrations. The question is, is there anything purposely put into the trails to harm us or affect us in any way? Or, are the trails we see related to intentional geoengineering.


Or, are the trails contrails.

NOTHING in any post on any chemtard site proves any such thing is occurring.
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Funny how some chemtards claim that the atmospheric conditions MUST be a certain way for contrails to form and persist but then completely ignore the relationship between engine efficiency and contrails.

Older less efficient engines will not create contrails in certain conditions while high bypass engines will create them in the same exact conditions.

Yes, I know Wigington says high bypass engines can't make contrails at all...because he is an idiot!

But, the science doesn't lie! I really do think that chemtards fool themselves into believing they understand all the variables when they CLEARLY, do not!

[link to citeseerx.ist.psu.edu]

The science doesn't lie! Regardless of what those who practice pseudoscience claim.
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2300 years ago Socrates said "True Wisdom Comes To Each Of Us When We Realize How Little We Know..." Marinate on that for a minute to understand both chemtards and deniers have been programmed to run scripted debate that lead nowhere. Both sides are getting nothing more done than retarded cats chasing their own tails. There is no winning in that.

Break the cycle of pre-programmed Binary-Thinking and don't be a fucking low vibration digitard.

"Harmless" jet contrails are made of water vapor and or ice crystals. Science proves they meet the definition of Man-Made Cirrus Clouds.

Science also proves that Cirrus Clouds have a Net Warming Effect. They allow Short Wavelength Radiation(Sunlight) to easily pass through while trapping Long Wavelength Radiation(Heat!) rising from Earth. This meets the exact definition of the Greenhouse Effect.

Don't let that put uncomfortable twists in your panties Chemtards(said in a loving manner). I am NOT saying water vapor is the only thing up there. I am simply flipping the scrip on the deniers and using real science to prove their own talking points wrong.

Learn Clouds to undue to manipulation. Cumulus Clouds have a net Cooling effect, but they are Very Difficult to make unintentionally with jet planes. Cirrus Clouds have a net Warming Effect. Science Is Real.

MAGA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72497887


How does that prove "chemtrail" deniers wrong?

And of course water vapor isn't the only thing in the sky. Every element on the periodic table is everywhere in our atmosphere at varying concentrations. The question is, is there anything purposely put into the trails to harm us or affect us in any way? Or, are the trails we see related to intentional geoengineering.


Or, are the trails contrails.

NOTHING in any post on any chemtard site proves any such thing is occurring.
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The first rule of Debate is to NOT make claims that one can not prove. I can not personally prove and chemicals, so I do not make the claim. I simply allow those that chose to debate me to place their own foot in their own mouth and time they like.

Weak Minded Sheep Are Too Terrified to even look up. If we wish to change that, we must make the conversation palatable for weak minded sheep. Man Made Cirrus Clouds is a way to sugar coat the bitter Red Pill a bit. Once that discussion can be had, it can progress into something more and we can get to the bottom of this manipulation.

The Powers That Be Understand/Fear the common Man speaking freely to one another. All kinds of tricks/games are run on the sheep to keep them from speaking freely and finding Truth. I am here to end that.

Your harmless "Contrails" are proven to have a net Warming Effect. This TRUTH has forced the leftist climatetards to modify their entire narrative over the last 18months. Just take a look at the Green New Deal. They now address air travel due to the haters not being able to disprove my Science.

This Man Made Cloud conversation will be had. There is no stopping it now, and it will progress into common man finding Truth. I built this.

MAGA

MAGA
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2300 years ago Socrates said "True Wisdom Comes To Each Of Us When We Realize How Little We Know..." Marinate on that for a minute to understand both chemtards and deniers have been programmed to run scripted debate that lead nowhere. Both sides are getting nothing more done than retarded cats chasing their own tails. There is no winning in that.

Break the cycle of pre-programmed Binary-Thinking and don't be a fucking low vibration digitard.

"Harmless" jet contrails are made of water vapor and or ice crystals. Science proves they meet the definition of Man-Made Cirrus Clouds.

Science also proves that Cirrus Clouds have a Net Warming Effect. They allow Short Wavelength Radiation(Sunlight) to easily pass through while trapping Long Wavelength Radiation(Heat!) rising from Earth. This meets the exact definition of the Greenhouse Effect.

Don't let that put uncomfortable twists in your panties Chemtards(said in a loving manner). I am NOT saying water vapor is the only thing up there. I am simply flipping the scrip on the deniers and using real science to prove their own talking points wrong.

Learn Clouds to undue to manipulation. Cumulus Clouds have a net Cooling effect, but they are Very Difficult to make unintentionally with jet planes. Cirrus Clouds have a net Warming Effect. Science Is Real.

MAGA
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72497887


How does that prove "chemtrail" deniers wrong?

And of course water vapor isn't the only thing in the sky. Every element on the periodic table is everywhere in our atmosphere at varying concentrations. The question is, is there anything purposely put into the trails to harm us or affect us in any way? Or, are the trails we see related to intentional geoengineering.


Or, are the trails contrails.

NOTHING in any post on any chemtard site proves any such thing is occurring.
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The first rule of Debate is to NOT make claims that one can not prove. I can not personally prove and chemicals, so I do not make the claim. I simply allow those that chose to debate me to place their own foot in their own mouth and time they like.

Weak Minded Sheep Are Too Terrified to even look up. If we wish to change that, we must make the conversation palatable for weak minded sheep. Man Made Cirrus Clouds is a way to sugar coat the bitter Red Pill a bit. Once that discussion can be had, it can progress into something more and we can get to the bottom of this manipulation.

The Powers That Be Understand/Fear the common Man speaking freely to one another. All kinds of tricks/games are run on the sheep to keep them from speaking freely and finding Truth. I am here to end that.

Your harmless "Contrails" are proven to have a net Warming Effect. This TRUTH has forced the leftist climatetards to modify their entire narrative over the last 18months. Just take a look at the Green New Deal. They now address air travel due to the haters not being able to disprove my Science.

This Man Made Cloud conversation will be had. There is no stopping it now, and it will progress into common man finding Truth. I built this.

MAGA

MAGA
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Who doesn't look up and why do you capitalize words at random?

I look up, and have been for 54 years, and have understood contrail for at least 40 of those years. What "weak minded sheep" are you referring to?

Why can't we stop at "Man Made Cirrus Clouds"? Because that is what they are!

I never said they are harmless. They contain exhaust, obviously. The point is there are sources of exhaust all around us at ground level. Why should we concern ourselves with plane exhaust more than we do from buses, trains, generators, commercial plants....and on and on and on...? What do you mean "your science"?! REAL science shows that an increase in carbon dioxide increases warming. I have yet to see anyone prove that wrong. Of course there are "studies" with differing results but the consensus, based on the scientific method and peer review hasn't really been changed by said studies. I know right wing nuts latch onto such studies as truth, but they do so out of ignorance.

No one denies the warming effects of contrails. In fact, I see no one even bringing it up but you! Again, the issue is whether or not the trails are a well understood byproduct of aviation, or part of some plot.

I see no evidence they are anything but contrails.
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Has anyone noticed in their area that chemtrails seem to be laid out so that they follow the path of the sun? For instance, I've noticed many times that they'll start chemtrailing in the east during the morning hours. As the day progresses, there will be more overhead. By the evening hours, the chemtrails are focused in the west more often than not.

I don't know if chemtrails are meant to obscure the sun (or something in the sky), block solar energy, or give us all vitamin D deficiencies, but I can't think they're for anything good.
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Chemtrails HEAT the atmoshere and temps its does not lower them...

It being used to push global warming by our satanic govt..
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Has anyone noticed in their area that chemtrails seem to be laid out so that they follow the path of the sun? For instance, I've noticed many times that they'll start chemtrailing in the east during the morning hours. As the day progresses, there will be more overhead. By the evening hours, the chemtrails are focused in the west more often than not.

I don't know if chemtrails are meant to obscure the sun (or something in the sky), block solar energy, or give us all vitamin D deficiencies, but I can't think they're for anything good.
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Chemtrails HEAT the atmoshere and temps its does not lower them...

It being used to push global warming by our satanic govt..
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bullshit
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Seen lots of X's lately as the spraying ramps up!
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I see lots of L's, T's and I's...but no X's.

Fucking morons.
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Chemtards are stupid.

The end

And the crap about particulate aluminum is absolutely hilarious! Why do Chemtards insist on proving they are stupid?
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These aren't chemtrails...these are the white horses from God's army...the govt just hasn't told you there are ten thousand UFO's flying over the USA everyday...
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Like these over my home or these

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Right

2nd picture

The three contr. I mean chemtrails from 3 different planes turned them on and off at the same point in the sky..

pick

I SEE common core did it’s job in destroying the American minds ..

Stupidest conspiracy going
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Chemtards are stupid.

The end

And the crap about particulate aluminum is absolutely hilarious! Why do Chemtards insist on proving they are stupid?
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hesright
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I see lots of L's, T's and I's...but no X's.

Fucking morons.
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Stop projecting dipshit. X’s are a fact. Chemtrail spraying is a fact. Your low IQ is a fact.
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I see lots of L's, T's and I's...but no X's.

Fucking morons.
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Stop projecting dipshit. X’s are a fact. Chemtrail spraying is a fact. Your low IQ is a fact.
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And you people can't prove any of that...that's a fact!

You have never studied aviation or contrails....that's a fact!

You are a paranoid idiot...that's a fact!





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