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Update: Trump Signs Order To Close The Entire Mexico Border / White House Authorizes Lethal Force

 
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Defense officials said the language in the directive was carefully crafted to avoid running up against the bedrock legal limitations set in Posse Comitatus. The law was originally intended to protect the states from being controlled by federal troops. It has evolved into a singly defining, almost church versus state-type wall forbidding active-duty forces under the control of the president from conducting any types of crowd control or law enforcement domestically, essentially ensuring that the U.S. military is not used to control or defeat American citizens on U.S. soil.
 Quoting: exlibris




We shouldn't have to worry about that in this situation since they are an invading FOREIGN force, right?

Thank you President Trump. This is really the ONLY way to ensure that the Border is protected at this point. If the Dems had OK'd the Wall, this wouldn't have been necessary. Keep that in mind the next time you hear some Dem bellyaching about the Border situation.
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White House Authorizes Lethal Force At The Border

President Trump's chief of staff John Kelly signed a memo late Tuesday allowing troops stationed at the border to act in a law enforcement capacity and use lethal force, if necessary, according to Tara Copp of Military Times.

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drama all the migrants are shaking in fear...HAHAHA...
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This sounds like it is simply expanding upon common standing orders that soldiers are given.

Which are:

* Do not fire unless fired upon.
* Free to respond in kind to defend themselves.
 Quoting: BrokenTech




Well, except that I have read that Obama took away the troops' ability to fire back unless they actually SAW a weapon; so the muzz would just hide a bunch of guns in every house and then they could go from house to house and our troops were helpless to fire on them even though they KNEW that they WERE the ones shooting at them. A lot of our troops got killed because of this cockamanie change in the Rules Of Engagement courtesy of the Dems' Black Jesus.

So it's good that our President said this just so that it was made crystal clear that our people CAN defend themselves and not have to just stand there and get slaughtered the way Obama ordered it to happen.
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These "caravans" are next gen warfare.
Putin used little green men in Crimea.
Xi is using little brown men in US.
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This sounds like it is simply expanding upon common standing orders that soldiers are given.

Which are:

* Do not fire unless fired upon.
* Free to respond in kind to defend themselves.
 Quoting: BrokenTech


* Consider a thrown rock as a fired gun

(my fave)
 Quoting: AxX


Gaza.

then they light up moltav balloons and fly them over the border. crude weapons, but none the less, not a sign of peace.
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These "caravans" are next gen warfare.
Putin used little green men in Crimea.
Xi is using little brown men in US.
 Quoting: Steamer


Asymmetrical warfare, yes.

ISIS recruited MS13 who is organizing the Caravan in some capacity.
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Posse Commitatus surely was never meant to deny the US self defense against foreign invading hordes.

Yet I see Twitter liberals telling troops to resist or be war criminals. :(

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This sounds like it is simply expanding upon common standing orders that soldiers are given.

Which are:

* Do not fire unless fired upon.
* Free to respond in kind to defend themselves.
 Quoting: BrokenTech


There has been much discussion about deploying active duty federal troops on US soil - all to do with different interpretations of Posse Comitatus...
 Quoting: exlibris



The fake news and lib NGOs have been making it their mission to neuter our troops at the border


Mattis had to tap dance that topic too...saying multiple times that troops were only there to support BP. And that the troops could only use force if fired upon.


It sounds to me they're playing this smarter now. Because as soon as one immigrant fires a projectile at them....any military man who protects themselves would be in the brig regardless of evidence.
 Quoting: Feyra


This situation has a possibility to turn ugly fast if the so called "migrants" engage our troops in any way...
 Quoting: exlibris


You can be sure that Soros has issued orders for the caravan participants to be as violent as possible. Expect rioting and mayhem. Soros needs dead bodies to get his agenda advanced.
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White House Authorizes Lethal Force At The Border

President Trump's chief of staff John Kelly signed a memo late Tuesday allowing troops stationed at the border to act in a law enforcement capacity and use lethal force, if necessary, according to Tara Copp of Military Times.

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 Quoting: exlibris


Sounds like fake news.

Not aware the White House Chief of Staff is in actual legal military chain of command which would begin with Trump as Commander in Chief thru Mattis as Secretary of Defense down, down, down.

Kelly certainly has great influence but don't see how he is in formal legal chain of command that could authorize use of deadly force.
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it's nice of CNN to broadcast that the troops at the Border are only there as a scare tactic.
That the troops can't arrest, shoot or act as law enforcement.

That they can't act unless ordered by the president

fucking stupid ass media
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get on periscope and watch these libtard "reporters" down there with the caravan spewing their bullshit about how great they all are and how america needs to accept them all.

it's unbelievable. i'm assuming those people doing that are taking in at least a couple of the invaders in to their homes and financing their lives with their earnings, since they are so charitable and good.
 Quoting: 1-2-Follow


what they did is opened up their prisons and

sent their murderers and rapists to America

same thing Cuba did
 Quoting: jake


Correct.

If you are criminal in Mexico or Central America and the police are coming for you do you surrender and go to a Mexican prison or simply cross the border into the USA? The answer is obvious.

A big problem is Trump should have DHS, FBI, DOJ leaders at the White house podium every day telling the American people how many robberies, rapes, murders, DUI, etc are being committed by illegals, how much it costs for their "free" education, health care etc etc. Have never understood why Trump and company are not at a White House press brief telling this sad story over and over so the American people know the truth?
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When is the caravan arriving ?
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Posse Commitatus surely was never meant to deny the US self defense against foreign invading hordes.

Yet I see Twitter liberals telling troops to resist or be war criminals. :(
 Quoting: Hadriana


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Yes, they should read this and be aware, this ain't no taco stand at the border caravanors.
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Yes, they should read this and be aware, this ain't no taco stand at the border caravanors.
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It has cost $72 million so far to deploy active-duty troops to the border, Pentagon says

After weeks of questions about the cost of the U.S. deployment of forces to the border, the Pentagon revealed late Tuesday that the barbed wire, transportation and housing for about 5,900 active-duty troops to date has cost $72 million.

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Still cheaper than the hundreds of billions spent every year on caring for and incarcerating illegals.
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It's on like donkey Kong. The border will be secured regardless of a judiciary in near open revolt.
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It's on like donkey Kong. The border will be secured regardless of a judiciary in near open revolt.
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If the migrants become violent, it makes the situation much easier to deal with.
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It's on like donkey Kong. The border will be secured regardless of a judiciary in near open revolt.
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If the migrants become violent, it makes the situation much easier to deal with.
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Yea
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White House Authorizes Lethal Force At The Border

President Trump's chief of staff John Kelly signed a memo late Tuesday allowing troops stationed at the border to act in a law enforcement capacity and use lethal force, if necessary, according to Tara Copp of Military Times.

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With all the bullshit, smoke, and mirrors related to this caravan, we won't know what's up until it's all over, if it ever gets over.
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This sounds like it is simply expanding upon common standing orders that soldiers are given.

Which are:

* Do not fire unless fired upon.
* Free to respond in kind to defend themselves.
 Quoting: BrokenTech


Interesting, there was that one video of the immigrants throwing rocks and bottles. How does the military get to respond?
 Quoting: MyPillow




Well, President Trump said that a rock can be as lethal as a bullet. And in the right hands it can. He said to treat a rock just like a bullet fired from a gun, and to respond accordingly.

God please Bless my President!
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Wonder if they have these operational yet:

Army’s newest non-lethal weapon


The Army recently contracted with PepperBall to purchase the VKS launcher. It is a non-lethal device that fires paintball-like projectiles filled with a hot pepper solution to irritate and deter would-be aggressors.


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What other non-lethal weaponry could they use?
 Quoting: exlibris




Isn't there a sound-type crowd control sort of weapon?
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I can't post the link for some reason but if there are any sleuths on here...I'll just post the headline.

Obama Executive Order 13528 Subverts Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
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22here22
 Quoting: Bodi Doc


Posse Comitatus has been ignored lots of times,
as the situation dictates.
 Quoting: Colloidal Peanut Butter


Don't know about multiple times, but it worked out pretty well for 'ole Honest Abe.
 Quoting: Bodi Doc


and don't forget the time that President Eisenhower sent
the 82nd Airborne Division the Little Rock, Ark.,
to desegregate the High School.
 Quoting: Colloidal Peanut Butter


Yes, and recall the massive civil problems in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, people dying, police shooting people , bad times all around were not resolved until active military was sent in and yes they were armed and did use some deadly force, that was kind of hushed up but the military had to take control to restore peace and order. Eventually the mayor and some police went to jail.
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It's on like donkey Kong. The border will be secured regardless of a judiciary in near open revolt.
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If the migrants become violent, it makes the situation much easier to deal with.
 Quoting: BrokenTech


they'll be playing right into our hands.

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I've been saying it for years now.. Why build a wall at great cost, rather than electrify the existing fence?????????

If they have authorized lethal force it means they can now make the fence electric, right?
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Some tree-hugger would find a convenient 9th-Circuit judge and convince him that a lizard might get fried if it came in contact with the fence......
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Posse Comitatus has been ignored lots of times,
as the situation dictates.
 Quoting: Colloidal Peanut Butter


Don't know about multiple times, but it worked out pretty well for 'ole Honest Abe.
 Quoting: Bodi Doc


and don't forget the time that President Eisenhower sent
the 82nd Airborne Division the Little Rock, Ark.,
to desegregate the High School.
 Quoting: Colloidal Peanut Butter


You don't seem to have a full understanding of what occurred there.

The Arkansas governor did nothing to stop riots that occurred. When nothing was being done about it, the mayor of Little Rock contacted Ike directly for assistance. Ike took control of the NG and ordered them to restore order. He also sent soldiers from the 101st to assist, not the 82nd. The NG had operational control. Thats a paraphrased version of the events.
 Quoting: BrokenTech

Ike federalized (activated) the National Guard which took them away from control of the governor put them under Presidential control.

Many ways for Trump to legally employ active military at the border. Ultimately the purpose of 1 million active military with a 700 BILLION budget is the secure the safety, peace and prosperity of United States citizens. Recall how Trump lobbed 150 cruise missles into Syria, killed people, and Syria was zero direct threat to the USA. Anyone who says Trump can do that and not take action against a country Mexico that is literally using a civilian force plus criminals and terrorists to invade the USA is freaking crazy.

The only question is which side Trump is really on. Globalists want open borders, mass immigration. Will Trump find excuses to allow an invasion or will Trump grow some balls and side with the American people?
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"The Bonus Army were the 43,000 marchers—17,000 U.S. World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who gathered in Washington, D.C. in the summer of 1932 to demand cash-payment redemption of their service certificates.
Date‎: ‎July 28, 1932 Location‎: ‎Washington D.C., United States"

" President Herbert Hoover then ordered the Army to clear the marchers' campsite. Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur commanded the infantry and cavalry supported by six tanks. The Bonus Army marchers with their wives and children were driven out, and their shelters and belongings burned."
(and, yes, there was shooting)

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And they were firing upon AMERICAN citizens, not a bunch of foreign invasive cockroaches.
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