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Bizarre and Unexplainable Holes in Russian Forests

 
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Apparently these large holes exist where there is no road or other way to emplace large drilling machinery, there is no evidence of movement of heavy equipment, nor is the soil removed anywhere nearby.

There are several images, and the text is written by someone for whom English is obviously a second language.

These openings remind me much of the holes left by sediment cores. It's as if some flying machine hovered, took a sediment core, and flew off.

Only guess I can come up with, anyway. In any event, no plausible explanation immediately presents itself.
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From the end of 1980s a strange phenomena is happening in some Russian forests. People find strange, deep holes.

They appear in the dense forest, in the places you canít get on the car or truck to bring any device to drill the ground. There is no any soil that should be taken from such deep holes is found.

On this pictures people go down to one of such holes but it just finishes with nothing. There are no any reasonable ideas on how these holes appear and what they are being used for.





























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Ahm this is strange...
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The hole is not drilled downwards. But from the bottom up. Don't you remember this:

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There are several images, and the text is written by someone for whom English is obviously a second language.

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Clear-cut proof of an EMP being fired along inner Earth's magnetic grid lines and out through the crust, creating a hole that doesn't appear to bottom out.

But of course, EM weaponry is only used to take out electrical equipment. Just ask Duncan Kunz - he'll tell you.
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The hole is not drilled downwards. But from the bottom up. Don't you remember this:

[link to img359.imageshack.us]

The devils are coming out to play.
 Quoting: 89446

I left a comment with some of your words... reminded me of Gog/Magog.



In Gog - They Trust?


On November the 9th 1951, Winston Churchill made a speech at the Lord Mayor of London's Banquet at the Guildhall, marking the occasion of the restoration of the effigies of Gog and Magog to their traditional places of honour in the west end of the Guildhall in the City of London. They had been removed during the Blitz to prevent them from being damaged. Earlier figures had been destroyed in the Great Fire of London in 1666. The present pair were carved by Richard Saunders in 1708.

"It seems that they (i.e. Gog and Magog) represent none too badly the present state of world politics. World politics, like the history of Gog and Magog, are very confused and much disputed. Still, I think there is room for both of them. On the one side is Gog, and on the other is Magog. But be careful, my Lord Mayor, when you put them back, to keep them from colliding with each other; for if that happens, both Gog and Magog would be smashed to pieces and we should all have to begin all over again and begin from the bottom of the pit." (Source: The Times, London, for 10 November 1951)

The term 'The Iron Curtain', was coined by Churchill. Rather an appropriate description, for it was a Curtain of Iron which Dhul Qarnain erected to prevent Gog and Magog spreading their terrifying, malevolent corruption in the land.

In a television documentary, covering the world at war, it was disclosed that before the end of World War II, Joseph Stalin (lets say, representing Gog) and Winston Churchill (representing Magog) met at what was called the 'Percentage Conference', at which they exchanged percentages of the various countries they controlled for those they wished to control. For instance, Britain took a 90% share in Greece, in exchange for giving up its 90% control of Rumania. Afterwards, Churchill is reported to have said to Stalin ‑ who, by the way, was a Georgian from the Caucasus:

"Its a pity God didn't consult us when He made the world?"

To which Stalin is said to have replied:

"Yes, and that was His first mistake."

Britain then fermented civil war in Greece in which the Communists, who looked to Stalin for help, were betrayed by him. A reflection of the Arabic root of Gog (Ya'juj) portrays a meaning association of something worthless, like an artificial pearl, as well as rendering something worthless, and of destroying, annihilating and burning out. Zainab bint Jahsh reported that Allah's apostle, upon whom be showered peace, got up from sleep saying:

"'There is a destruction in store for Arabia because of turmoil which is at hand, the barrier of Gog and Magog has opened so much'. And Sufyan made a sign of ten with the help of his hand (in order to indicate the width of the gap) and I said: 'Allah's Messenger, would we be perished in spite of the fact that there would be good people amongst us'? Thereupon he said: 'Of course, but only when the evil predominates'." (Muslim)

The Bible refers to 'Magog' as the second son of Japheth between Gomer and Madai, Gomer representing the Cimmerians, Madai, the Medes. But in the list of nations, Genesis 10, the term connotes rather the complex of barbarian peoples dwelling at the extreme north and north east of the earth as one finds in that chapter; in Ezekiel 39:6, the Magog is referred to as a northern people, the leader of whom is Gog. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, article 'Gog and Magog', Josephus identifies them with the Scythians, a name which among the classical writers stands for a number of unknown ferocious tribes. According to Jerome, Magog was situated beyond the Caucasus near the Caspian Sea. The barrier referred to in the Hadith and the Qur'an is the famous wall built between Derbend and Darial. It is a very narrow defile, with overhanging rocks, occurring on the main route between Turkestan and India. It is now in Soviet territory in the district of Daghistan. Before the southern expansion of Russia in 1813, it belonged to Persia. A spur of Mount Caucasus here comes up close to the sea. A map showing this particular route is to be found in the opening of Arthur Koestler's book 'The Thirteenth Tribe'. However, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, in his translation of the Qur'an, says in the appendix to Surah 18, The Cave, in which Gog and MaGog are mentioned, that if, as he believes, Dhul Qarnain, or Zul - qarnain was Alexander the Great, then the more likely location for this iron curtain or obstruction, is near another Derbend in Central Asia. He states:

"...I do not consider that historical or geographical considerations have much bearing on a story treated as a Parable, as Zul - qarnain's story is. Indeed all stories or narrations are referred to in the Qur'an as Parables, for their spiritual meaning. Heated controversies or dogmatic assertions as to precise dates, personalities, or localities, seem to me to be out of place."

He further observes:

"The question of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog) and the iron barrier built to keep them out is of some interest. It is practically agreed that they were the wild tribes of Central Asia which have made inroads on settled kingdoms and Empires at various stages of history. The Chinese Empires suffered from their incursions and built the Great Wall of China to keep out the Manchus and Mongols. The Persian Empire suffered from them at various times and at various points. Their incursions into Europe in large hordes caused migrations and displacements of populations on an enormous scale, and eventually broke up the Roman Empire. These tribes were known vaguely to the Greeks and Romans as "Scythians", but that term does not help us very much, either ethnically or geographically. If we could locate the iron barrier or iron gates referred to in Surah 18, verse 96, we should have a closer idea of the tribes whom the barrier was meant to keep out. The Barrier in the text must have been more in the nature of iron gates than an iron wall. Two Iron Gates, geographically far apart, have been suggested in the alternative. Sometimes they have been mixed up by writers not strong on geography. Both of them have local associations with the name Alexander the Great. Both are near a town Derbend, and have borne the name Bab - ul - hadid (Arabic for "Iron Gate")".

"The best known in modern times is at the town and seaport of Derbend in the middle of the western coast of the Caspian Sea", formerly the Khazar Sea, but "the gate which corresponds exactly to the Quranic description, and has the best claim to be connected with Alexander's story ... is near another Derbend in Central Asia, Hissar District, about 150 miles south - east of Bukhara. A very narrow defile, with overhanging rocks, occurs on the main route between Turkestan and India: Latitude 38N; Longitude 67E. It is now called in Turkic, Buzghol - Khana (Goat House), but was formerly known as the Iron Gate (in Arabic, "Bab - ul - hadid"; in Persian, "Dar - i - ahani; in Chinese "T'ie - men - kuan"). There is no iron gate there now, but there was one in the 7th century, when the Chinese traveller Hiouen Tsiang saw it on his journey to India. He saw two folding gates cased with iron and hung with bells. Near by is a lake Iskander Kul, connecting the locality with Alexander the Great. We know from history that Alexander, after his conquest of Persia and before his journey to India, visited Sogdiana (Bukhara) and Marcanda (Samarkand). We also know from Muqaddasi, the Arab traveller and geographer, who wrote about AH 375 (AD 985 - 6) that the 'Abbasi Khalifa Wathiq (842 - 846 AD) sent out a mission to Central Asia to report on this Iron Gate. They found the defile 150 yards wide: on two jambs made with bricks of iron welded together with molten lead, were hung two huge gates, which were kept closed. Nothing could correspond more exactly with the description in Surah 18, 95 - 96."

"If then, the Barrier in Surah 18, 95 - 98 refers to the Iron Gate near Bukhara, we are able to proceed to a consideration of the Gog Magog people with some confidence. They were the Mongol tribes on the other side of the Barrier, while the industrious men who did not understand Zul - qarnain's language were the Turks, with their agglutinative language, so different from the languages then spoken in Western Asia. The Barrier served its purpose for the time being. But the warning that the time would come when it must crumble to dust has also come true. It has crumbled to dust. Long since, the Mongols pushed through on their westward journey, pushing the Turks before them, and the Turks became a European power and still have a footing in Europe. We need not bother about the legends of the Gog Magog people. They were reputedly giants, and two tiny hills in flat Cambridgeshire are derisively called the Gog Magog hills! Similarly the statues of Gog Magog in the Guildhall in London, which Maulana Muhammad Ali takes so seriously, only remind us how legends are apt to grow and get transported to strange places. In the Alexander legends of medieval Europe, Gog and Magog are said to have come with 400,000 men to the help of Porus whom Alexander defeated, They fled to the mountains, and Alexander built a wall with brass gates to prevent their irruptions."

On page 115 of 'The Cavendish Encyclopedia of Mythology', we find a 14th - century 'Mongol' painting linking Alexander with Gog and Magog. The caption reads:

"The legends of Alexander the Great seem to have inspired the exploits of a number of Arabian and non - Arabian warrior kings called Dhul - Qarnayn, one of whom is mentioned in the Qur'an. In this 14th - century Il - Khanid 'Mongol' painting, Iskandar (Alexander) is shown extending his realm into the northern regions perpetually shrouded by fog beyond the Caucasus on the route to Gog and Magog."

The link, between Gog & Magog, Goemagog, Gog MacGog, (Mac, meaning son of) or Yajuj * Majuj, with England, was made by Geoffrey of Monmouth in his 'History of The Kings of Britain', around 1136 A.D. The two figures now standing in the Guildhall of the City of London have been officially known as Gog and Magog for the past 300 years. So was Geoffrey of Monmouth just being "inventive" or is there any additional evidence to support his assertion that Britain, particularly the occupants of the Palace of Brute, now The City of London's Guildhall, bear any resemblance to their namesakes - Gog & MacGog, (Yajuj & Majuj)? It might be a valid interpretation of the iron gate that would keep GogMagog at bay until they manage to overcome it, on a day when according to the Qur'an "people will mingle with each other like waves", that it is the mastery of iron, i.e. modern technology, that finally gave them the upper hand in world affairs after the industrial revolution.

In a recent letter to Frank McManus (the present Lord Mayor of Todmorden), John Clark, Curator of Medieval London History and Collections at the Museum of London, pointed out that the link with the City of London and the giant Goemagog goes back to 1558, when wickerwork effigies of Goemagog and his captor, the Trojan Corineus, were carried around The City in the Lord Mayors' processions. In 1558 they were placed at Temple Bar to welcome Queen Elizabeth the Ist on a visit to The City of London having been used earlier on, to welcome Queen Mary and Philip II of Spain at London Bridge in 1554.

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Fuckin' moles!!

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chuckle
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and i quote "In a recent letter to Frank McManus (the present Lord Mayor of Todmorden), John Clark, Curator of Medieval London History and Collections at the Museum of London, pointed out that the link with the City of London and the giant Goemagog goes back to 1558, when wickerwork effigies of Goemagog and his captor, the Trojan Corineus, were carried around The City in the Lord Mayors' processions. In 1558 they were placed at Temple Bar to welcome Queen Elizabeth the Ist on a visit to The City of London having been used earlier on, to welcome Queen Mary and Philip II of Spain at London Bridge in 1554."

WHAT!!!?

I'm from Todmorden I know Frank, how Bizarre does this get!!!
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I don't think he was ever lord mayor just a big letter writing person who wears short pants and red socks!
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The predators are testing their new drilling equipment
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It's the horta. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Having seen a few bores and wells these are obviously dug with a mechanical drill, you can see the scrape marks on the sides, note the offcenter areas where the drill hit harder material, possibly for shallow water, what ever the reason the rig required needs to be mounted on a large truck, perhaps they are original hiding places for the military, now being emptied and left uncovered, I wonder if anyone thought of using a radation counter?
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Mars Holes
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Mars Holes
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Lens flare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Excellent find OP!


These are clearly the fabled Moomin tunnels spoken of in old Russian folklore


Now if we can just get hold of one of those Moomin's


hmm
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Space based Russian, test fire's from their equivalent to our GWEL system, which was top secret, but not now. But the advancements surely are..

Kinda like a laser weapon, but better..
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It's another Mel's Hole! And there is supposed to be another one in northern Nevada. Google Mel's Hole. I believe Red Elk speaks of this place also.
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Check out this link: [link to www.seattlechatclub.org]
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If they were drilling for oil/water, they wouldn't use a 4ft wide auger, or a 50ft auger for that matter. That excuse is out of the window.
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Don't know what it is or what caused it, but I can tell you one thing for certain.


Fucked if i'd be first down that hole.
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There's no pictures of that guy coming back out.
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It's another Mel's Hole! And there is supposed to be another one in northern Nevada. Google Mel's Hole. I believe Red Elk speaks of this place also.
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If Red Elk wrote about it you know that it's a government cover up.

That guy is an outright hack.
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Anymore information on these?

How deep are they?

How many of them are there? What are the locations? Has anyone mapped these out?

Peace
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I don't think he was ever lord mayor just a big letter writing person who wears short pants and red socks!
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I googled Frank, and it appears he's tried running for council and was not elected, but I found no evidence of him having ever been Lord Mayor.
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The newer Shout It comments:

Comment by Will
2007-05-31 19:00:18

Why do I have to be the first one to say it?:
Itís obviously
Reptilians


Comment by rep hunter
2007-06-01 02:14:24

Yeah they are air vents for a rep nest.


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the most important questions is how deep far long this wholes go ?
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Too wide for test holes - soil removed to hide detection by satelites?, probably to hide an ICBM missile.
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Don't know what it is or what caused it, but I can tell you one thing for certain.


Fucked if i'd be first down that hole.
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There's no pictures of that guy coming back out.
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rofl this is what makes this site great aside, the humor factor


what if it's an x-file movie type of hole ..............







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WHERE are all the 'space jockies' ?

These are obviously 'Worm holes' !

I hope NO ONE disturbs 'those' worms. It could get ugly !

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What's even stranger is that Johnny-on-the-Spots are popping up on these holes the very next day.....

But really people, it's reptiles.
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