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Yet they are still not certain. It has not been proven,

"All the evidence" is not proof. You made the assertion so the burden of proof is with you and "all the evidence" is not proof.
 Quoting: newtome


Some say they are certain. I don't. Do you consider paternity tests to be proof? Because the ERV evidence is about as reliable.

I made the assertion that the evidence is on the side of evolution theory (specifically common ancestry)and that it can explain the observed data. It is and it does.

Proof is usually associated with math. Science builds explanatory models. Models with predictive power are more probably correct than those without.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


and now you are running away from what you said

The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.
 Quoting: newtome


I'm not running away at all. The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does. Why is life arranged in nested hierarchies? Because different taxa diverge from common ancestors. This also explains why identical ERV's are distributed across different taxa to varying degrees, in accordance with their taxonomic classification. Why do we see taxa emerge in the sequence demonstrated in the fossil record? Because earlier taxa evolved into the later ones.


Are you prepared to accept that other hypotheses can also explain and have not been disproved but evolution is the accepted model at the moment?
 Quoting: newtome


I never said evolution isn't the accepted model at the moment. There are infinite hypotheses we can't disprove, but what reason is there to think any of them are correct? The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is highly unlikely for it to be incorrect. What hypothesis do you have that can equally explain the facts, make valid predictions and be equally supported by the evidence?

By your definition of proof the climate models don't prove the link between CO2 and temperature.
 Quoting: newtome


I never gave you a definition of proof. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but I have no reason to think I am.
 Quoting: Spur-Man



So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence....................

Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes?
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Some say they are certain. I don't. Do you consider paternity tests to be proof? Because the ERV evidence is about as reliable.

I made the assertion that the evidence is on the side of evolution theory (specifically common ancestry)and that it can explain the observed data. It is and it does.

Proof is usually associated with math. Science builds explanatory models. Models with predictive power are more probably correct than those without.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


and now you are running away from what you said

The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.
 Quoting: newtome


I'm not running away at all. The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does. Why is life arranged in nested hierarchies? Because different taxa diverge from common ancestors. This also explains why identical ERV's are distributed across different taxa to varying degrees, in accordance with their taxonomic classification. Why do we see taxa emerge in the sequence demonstrated in the fossil record? Because earlier taxa evolved into the later ones.


Are you prepared to accept that other hypotheses can also explain and have not been disproved but evolution is the accepted model at the moment?
 Quoting: newtome


I never said evolution isn't the accepted model at the moment. There are infinite hypotheses we can't disprove, but what reason is there to think any of them are correct? The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is highly unlikely for it to be incorrect. What hypothesis do you have that can equally explain the facts, make valid predictions and be equally supported by the evidence?

By your definition of proof the climate models don't prove the link between CO2 and temperature.
 Quoting: newtome


I never gave you a definition of proof. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but I have no reason to think I am.
 Quoting: Spur-Man



So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence....................

Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes?
 Quoting: newtome


Are you even reading my responses? What do I know is true?

What do you mean, abrupt changes?
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Yet they are still not certain. It has not been proven,

"All the evidence" is not proof. You made the assertion so the burden of proof is with you and "all the evidence" is not proof.
 Quoting: newtome


Some say they are certain. I don't. Do you consider paternity tests to be proof? Because the ERV evidence is about as reliable.

I made the assertion that the evidence is on the side of evolution theory (specifically common ancestry)and that it can explain the observed data. It is and it does.

Proof is usually associated with math. Science builds explanatory models. Models with predictive power are more probably correct than those without.
 Quoting: Spur-Man



This guy is like the atheist version of mr. VIP
 Quoting: musashi777


This guy believes that algorithms, codes, blueprints, designs, features and complex systems can be created/achieved without intelligence or mind.

And he'll defend this position, with... his own intelligence, which by his own retarded worldview, is the result of random chance events and should by definition not be trustworthy or rational.

The kind of person that is impressed by nothing and no evidence will ever suffice due to bias, prejudice, closedmindedness and ofcourse casual god hating pop culture.
 Quoting: belgium


Still waiting for you to make an argument. All you have is strawmen and ad homs.

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Some say they are certain. I don't. Do you consider paternity tests to be proof? Because the ERV evidence is about as reliable.

I made the assertion that the evidence is on the side of evolution theory (specifically common ancestry)and that it can explain the observed data. It is and it does.

Proof is usually associated with math. Science builds explanatory models. Models with predictive power are more probably correct than those without.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


and now you are running away from what you said

The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.
 Quoting: newtome


I'm not running away at all. The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does. Why is life arranged in nested hierarchies? Because different taxa diverge from common ancestors. This also explains why identical ERV's are distributed across different taxa to varying degrees, in accordance with their taxonomic classification. Why do we see taxa emerge in the sequence demonstrated in the fossil record? Because earlier taxa evolved into the later ones.


Are you prepared to accept that other hypotheses can also explain and have not been disproved but evolution is the accepted model at the moment?
 Quoting: newtome


I never said evolution isn't the accepted model at the moment. There are infinite hypotheses we can't disprove, but what reason is there to think any of them are correct? The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is highly unlikely for it to be incorrect. What hypothesis do you have that can equally explain the facts, make valid predictions and be equally supported by the evidence?

By your definition of proof the climate models don't prove the link between CO2 and temperature.
 Quoting: newtome


I never gave you a definition of proof. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but I have no reason to think I am.
 Quoting: Spur-Man



So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence....................

Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes?
 Quoting: newtome



From Berkley
[link to evolution.berkeley.edu (secure)]

Does a jump in the fossil record necessarily mean that evolution has happened in a "quick" jump?
We expect to see a jump in the fossil record if evolution has occurred as a "quick" jump, but a jump in the fossil record can also be explained by irregular fossil preservation.

We observe examples of both slow, steady change and rapid, periodic change in the fossil record. Both happen. But scientists are trying to determine which pace is more typical of evolution and how each sort of evolutionary change happens.
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and now you are running away from what you said

The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.
 Quoting: newtome


I'm not running away at all. The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does. Why is life arranged in nested hierarchies? Because different taxa diverge from common ancestors. This also explains why identical ERV's are distributed across different taxa to varying degrees, in accordance with their taxonomic classification. Why do we see taxa emerge in the sequence demonstrated in the fossil record? Because earlier taxa evolved into the later ones.


Are you prepared to accept that other hypotheses can also explain and have not been disproved but evolution is the accepted model at the moment?
 Quoting: newtome


I never said evolution isn't the accepted model at the moment. There are infinite hypotheses we can't disprove, but what reason is there to think any of them are correct? The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is highly unlikely for it to be incorrect. What hypothesis do you have that can equally explain the facts, make valid predictions and be equally supported by the evidence?

By your definition of proof the climate models don't prove the link between CO2 and temperature.
 Quoting: newtome


I never gave you a definition of proof. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but I have no reason to think I am.
 Quoting: Spur-Man



So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence....................

Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes?
 Quoting: newtome



From Berkley
[link to evolution.berkeley.edu (secure)]

Does a jump in the fossil record necessarily mean that evolution has happened in a "quick" jump?
We expect to see a jump in the fossil record if evolution has occurred as a "quick" jump, but a jump in the fossil record can also be explained by irregular fossil preservation.

We observe examples of both slow, steady change and rapid, periodic change in the fossil record. Both happen. But scientists are trying to determine which pace is more typical of evolution and how each sort of evolutionary change happens.

 Quoting: newtome


I'm beginning to think you're not interested in a dialogue. You keep ignoring my questions and responses. What do I know is true that I have failed to provide proof for?

Changes will be more abrupt when an environment undergoes sudden change, or a population is put through a genetic bottleneck.
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I'm not running away at all. The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does. Why is life arranged in nested hierarchies? Because different taxa diverge from common ancestors. This also explains why identical ERV's are distributed across different taxa to varying degrees, in accordance with their taxonomic classification. Why do we see taxa emerge in the sequence demonstrated in the fossil record? Because earlier taxa evolved into the later ones.


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I never said evolution isn't the accepted model at the moment. There are infinite hypotheses we can't disprove, but what reason is there to think any of them are correct? The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is highly unlikely for it to be incorrect. What hypothesis do you have that can equally explain the facts, make valid predictions and be equally supported by the evidence?

...


I never gave you a definition of proof. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but I have no reason to think I am.
 Quoting: Spur-Man



So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence....................

Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes?
 Quoting: newtome



From Berkley
[link to evolution.berkeley.edu (secure)]

Does a jump in the fossil record necessarily mean that evolution has happened in a "quick" jump?
We expect to see a jump in the fossil record if evolution has occurred as a "quick" jump, but a jump in the fossil record can also be explained by irregular fossil preservation.

We observe examples of both slow, steady change and rapid, periodic change in the fossil record. Both happen. But scientists are trying to determine which pace is more typical of evolution and how each sort of evolutionary change happens.

 Quoting: newtome


I'm beginning to think you're not interested in a dialogue. You keep ignoring my questions and responses. What do I know is true that I have failed to provide proof for?

Changes will be more abrupt when an environment undergoes sudden change, or a population is put through a genetic bottleneck.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


I didn't ask when it happens, I asked how.

All you do is say the evidence supports ................. (fill in the blank) but you never provide anything about how that happens. That is the same issue you have with religious folk who simply say they believe it is so and provide what they consider evidence but can't produce anything you would consider as proof.

I am not sure you have said you know anything is true and I am certain you haven't provided any proof regarding our conversations, only evidence.
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Some say they are certain. I don't. Do you consider paternity tests to be proof? Because the ERV evidence is about as reliable.

I made the assertion that the evidence is on the side of evolution theory (specifically common ancestry)and that it can explain the observed data. It is and it does.

Proof is usually associated with math. Science builds explanatory models. Models with predictive power are more probably correct than those without.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


and now you are running away from what you said

The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.
 Quoting: newtome


I'm not running away at all. The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does. Why is life arranged in nested hierarchies? Because different taxa diverge from common ancestors. This also explains why identical ERV's are distributed across different taxa to varying degrees, in accordance with their taxonomic classification. Why do we see taxa emerge in the sequence demonstrated in the fossil record? Because earlier taxa evolved into the later ones.


Are you prepared to accept that other hypotheses can also explain and have not been disproved but evolution is the accepted model at the moment?
 Quoting: newtome


I never said evolution isn't the accepted model at the moment. There are infinite hypotheses we can't disprove, but what reason is there to think any of them are correct? The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is highly unlikely for it to be incorrect. What hypothesis do you have that can equally explain the facts, make valid predictions and be equally supported by the evidence?

By your definition of proof the climate models don't prove the link between CO2 and temperature.
 Quoting: newtome


I never gave you a definition of proof. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but I have no reason to think I am.
 Quoting: Spur-Man



So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence....................

Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes?
 Quoting: newtome


"missing links"
nobody is trying to hide that.

the Theory is still sound, however.
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people, people.

please cut the Evolution Researchers some slack.

they are groping in the dark: i mean, they've got
to dig up 100 tons of rock to find the answer to one question...
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and now you are running away from what you said

The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.
 Quoting: newtome


I'm not running away at all. The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does. Why is life arranged in nested hierarchies? Because different taxa diverge from common ancestors. This also explains why identical ERV's are distributed across different taxa to varying degrees, in accordance with their taxonomic classification. Why do we see taxa emerge in the sequence demonstrated in the fossil record? Because earlier taxa evolved into the later ones.


Are you prepared to accept that other hypotheses can also explain and have not been disproved but evolution is the accepted model at the moment?
 Quoting: newtome


I never said evolution isn't the accepted model at the moment. There are infinite hypotheses we can't disprove, but what reason is there to think any of them are correct? The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is highly unlikely for it to be incorrect. What hypothesis do you have that can equally explain the facts, make valid predictions and be equally supported by the evidence?

By your definition of proof the climate models don't prove the link between CO2 and temperature.
 Quoting: newtome


I never gave you a definition of proof. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but I have no reason to think I am.
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So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence....................

Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes?
 Quoting: newtome


"missing links"
nobody is trying to hide that.

the Theory is still sound, however.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit



Trust us we are scientists................................
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I'm not running away at all. The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does. Why is life arranged in nested hierarchies? Because different taxa diverge from common ancestors. This also explains why identical ERV's are distributed across different taxa to varying degrees, in accordance with their taxonomic classification. Why do we see taxa emerge in the sequence demonstrated in the fossil record? Because earlier taxa evolved into the later ones.


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I never said evolution isn't the accepted model at the moment. There are infinite hypotheses we can't disprove, but what reason is there to think any of them are correct? The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is highly unlikely for it to be incorrect. What hypothesis do you have that can equally explain the facts, make valid predictions and be equally supported by the evidence?

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I never gave you a definition of proof. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but I have no reason to think I am.
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So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence....................

Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes?
 Quoting: newtome


"missing links"
nobody is trying to hide that.

the Theory is still sound, however.
 Quoting: Low Earth Orbit



Trust us we are scientists................................
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maybe you should go live in South Africa. they don't
have goofy ideas like these Scientists.
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So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence....................

Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes?
 Quoting: newtome



From Berkley
[link to evolution.berkeley.edu (secure)]

Does a jump in the fossil record necessarily mean that evolution has happened in a "quick" jump?
We expect to see a jump in the fossil record if evolution has occurred as a "quick" jump, but a jump in the fossil record can also be explained by irregular fossil preservation.

We observe examples of both slow, steady change and rapid, periodic change in the fossil record. Both happen. But scientists are trying to determine which pace is more typical of evolution and how each sort of evolutionary change happens.

 Quoting: newtome


I'm beginning to think you're not interested in a dialogue. You keep ignoring my questions and responses. What do I know is true that I have failed to provide proof for?

Changes will be more abrupt when an environment undergoes sudden change, or a population is put through a genetic bottleneck.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


I didn't ask when it happens, I asked how.

All you do is say the evidence supports ................. (fill in the blank) but you never provide anything about how that happens. That is the same issue you have with religious folk who simply say they believe it is so and provide what they consider evidence but can't produce anything you would consider as proof.

I am not sure you have said you know anything is true and I am certain you haven't provided any proof regarding our conversations, only evidence.
 Quoting: newtome


lol. Ok, now you're just being obtuse and dishonest.

How does evolution happen? Mutation, natural selection and horizontal gene transfer are all mechanisms that change a population. How can the change be accelerated? The change can be accelerated by an environmental change, or a genetic bottleneck. Happy now?

I'm giving you answers, you're just unable or unwilling to understand them. Creationists don't even have evidence, and they frequently misrepresent the facts. Kind of like you're doing right now.

"I am not sure you have said you know anything is true and I am certain you haven't provided any proof regarding our conversations, only evidence."

Ok, so you admit you were wrong in your previous posts. In many cases, evidence is the best there is. You say 'only evidence' but that's a hell of a lot more than Creationism has to offer. Meaning that evolution is the more logical conclusion.

I think you're misunderstanding the burden of proof. Try looking it up. The idea is that a positive assertion requires justification, not the negative assertion. I know the word proof is in the term, but it includes justification in the form of evidence.

When it comes to evolution in the present, there is proof. We can directly observe speciation and beneficial mutations happening right now. When it comes to propositions about the distant past, sometimes evidence is the best there is, and I've never said otherwise.

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From Berkley
[link to evolution.berkeley.edu (secure)]

Does a jump in the fossil record necessarily mean that evolution has happened in a "quick" jump?
We expect to see a jump in the fossil record if evolution has occurred as a "quick" jump, but a jump in the fossil record can also be explained by irregular fossil preservation.

We observe examples of both slow, steady change and rapid, periodic change in the fossil record. Both happen. But scientists are trying to determine which pace is more typical of evolution and how each sort of evolutionary change happens.

 Quoting: newtome


I'm beginning to think you're not interested in a dialogue. You keep ignoring my questions and responses. What do I know is true that I have failed to provide proof for?

Changes will be more abrupt when an environment undergoes sudden change, or a population is put through a genetic bottleneck.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


I didn't ask when it happens, I asked how.

All you do is say the evidence supports ................. (fill in the blank) but you never provide anything about how that happens. That is the same issue you have with religious folk who simply say they believe it is so and provide what they consider evidence but can't produce anything you would consider as proof.

I am not sure you have said you know anything is true and I am certain you haven't provided any proof regarding our conversations, only evidence.
 Quoting: newtome


lol. Ok, now you're just being obtuse and dishonest.

How does evolution happen? Mutation, natural selection and horizontal gene transfer are all mechanisms that change a population. How can the change be accelerated? The change can be accelerated by an environmental change, or a genetic bottleneck. Happy now?

I'm giving you answers, you're just unable or unwilling to understand them. Creationists don't even have evidence, and they frequently misrepresent the facts. Kind of like you're doing right now.

"I am not sure you have said you know anything is true and I am certain you haven't provided any proof regarding our conversations, only evidence."

Ok, so you admit you were wrong in your previous posts. In many cases, evidence is the best there is. You say 'only evidence' but that's a hell of a lot more than Creationism has to offer. Meaning that evolution is the more logical conclusion.

I think you're misunderstanding the burden of proof. Try looking it up. The idea is that a positive assertion requires justification, not the negative assertion. I know the word proof is in the term, but it includes justification in the form of evidence.

When it comes to evolution in the present, there is proof. We can directly observe speciation and beneficial mutations happening right now. When it comes to propositions about the distant past, sometimes evidence is the best there is, and I've never said otherwise.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


You have made positive assertions over and over yet think that the alternative views are the ones with the burden of proof. The issue is that you offer your evidence as something that should never be challenged and as showing your assertions should be treated as true.


You've heard of our greatest scientific theories: the theory of evolution, the Big Bang theory, the theory of gravity. You've also heard of the concept of a proof, and the claims that certain pieces of evidence prove the validities of these theories. Fossils, genetic inheritance, and DNA prove the theory of evolution. The Hubble expansion of the Universe, the evolution of stars, galaxies, and heavy elements, and the existence of the cosmic microwave background prove the Big Bang theory. And falling objects, GPS clocks, planetary motion, and the deflection of starlight prove the theory of gravity.

Except that's a complete lie. While they provide very strong evidence for those theories, they aren't proof. In fact, when it comes to science, proving anything is an impossibility.

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In science, at its best, the process is very similar, but with a caveat: you never know when your postulates, rules, or logical steps will suddenly cease to describe the Universe. You never know when your assumptions will suddenly become invalid. And you never know whether the rules you successfully applied for situations A, B, and C will successfully apply for situation D.

It's a leap of faith to assume that it will, and while these are often good leaps of faith, you cannot prove that these leaps are always valid. If the laws of nature change over time, or behave differently under different conditions, or in different directions or locations, or aren't applicable to the system you're dealing with, your predictions will be wrong. And that's why everything we do in science, no matter how well it gets tested, is always preliminary.


As I have said, you demand proof for assertions by others but offer far less for your own assertions than you demand.
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I'm beginning to think you're not interested in a dialogue. You keep ignoring my questions and responses. What do I know is true that I have failed to provide proof for?

Changes will be more abrupt when an environment undergoes sudden change, or a population is put through a genetic bottleneck.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


I didn't ask when it happens, I asked how.

All you do is say the evidence supports ................. (fill in the blank) but you never provide anything about how that happens. That is the same issue you have with religious folk who simply say they believe it is so and provide what they consider evidence but can't produce anything you would consider as proof.

I am not sure you have said you know anything is true and I am certain you haven't provided any proof regarding our conversations, only evidence.
 Quoting: newtome


lol. Ok, now you're just being obtuse and dishonest.

How does evolution happen? Mutation, natural selection and horizontal gene transfer are all mechanisms that change a population. How can the change be accelerated? The change can be accelerated by an environmental change, or a genetic bottleneck. Happy now?

I'm giving you answers, you're just unable or unwilling to understand them. Creationists don't even have evidence, and they frequently misrepresent the facts. Kind of like you're doing right now.

"I am not sure you have said you know anything is true and I am certain you haven't provided any proof regarding our conversations, only evidence."

Ok, so you admit you were wrong in your previous posts. In many cases, evidence is the best there is. You say 'only evidence' but that's a hell of a lot more than Creationism has to offer. Meaning that evolution is the more logical conclusion.

I think you're misunderstanding the burden of proof. Try looking it up. The idea is that a positive assertion requires justification, not the negative assertion. I know the word proof is in the term, but it includes justification in the form of evidence.

When it comes to evolution in the present, there is proof. We can directly observe speciation and beneficial mutations happening right now. When it comes to propositions about the distant past, sometimes evidence is the best there is, and I've never said otherwise.
 Quoting: Spur-Man


You have made positive assertions over and over yet think that the alternative views are the ones with the burden of proof. The issue is that you offer your evidence as something that should never be challenged and as showing your assertions should be treated as true.
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That's a lie. You're just making things up now. Tell me which assertion I failed to back up and I'll correct it. I don't think alternate views have the burden of proof, I clearly said the burden of proof is on the positive claim. I offer my evidence as something that can't be challenged? That's complete bullshit. Challenge my evidence all you want, but I doubt you're able to. The reason most scientists accept evolution is because the evidence has justified it beyond reasonable doubt.


You've heard of our greatest scientific theories: the theory of evolution, the Big Bang theory, the theory of gravity. You've also heard of the concept of a proof, and the claims that certain pieces of evidence prove the validities of these theories. Fossils, genetic inheritance, and DNA prove the theory of evolution. The Hubble expansion of the Universe, the evolution of stars, galaxies, and heavy elements, and the existence of the cosmic microwave background prove the Big Bang theory. And falling objects, GPS clocks, planetary motion, and the deflection of starlight prove the theory of gravity.

Except that's a complete lie. While they provide very strong evidence for those theories, they aren't proof. In fact, when it comes to science, proving anything is an impossibility.

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In science, at its best, the process is very similar, but with a caveat: you never know when your postulates, rules, or logical steps will suddenly cease to describe the Universe. You never know when your assumptions will suddenly become invalid. And you never know whether the rules you successfully applied for situations A, B, and C will successfully apply for situation D.

It's a leap of faith to assume that it will, and while these are often good leaps of faith, you cannot prove that these leaps are always valid. If the laws of nature change over time, or behave differently under different conditions, or in different directions or locations, or aren't applicable to the system you're dealing with, your predictions will be wrong. And that's why everything we do in science, no matter how well it gets tested, is always preliminary.


As I have said, you demand proof for assertions by others but offer far less for your own assertions than you demand.
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What are you talking about? I didn't demand proof from anyone. You just keep pretending that I do in order to accuse me of a double standard that I don't have. This is a pathetically desperate and dishonest tactic. I demand evidence from Creationists, but they don't have even a fraction of the evidence that evolution has. Do you understand that a proposition with evidence is more justified than one without?

That paragraph just confirmed exactly what I told you. Science doesn't deal in proof. It provides explanatory models. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but that doesn't mean I am. The proposition that I am in a coma requires evidence to justify it.

You're confused because I referred to the burden of proof, which is a term that is used in law and philosophy. Here's an analogy.

I propose that God made your great, great grandmother out of clay spontaneously. She didn't have any parents. If you think I'm wrong, prove that your great great grandmother had parents.

Do you see the problem? It doesn't matter if you can't prove she had parents, that doesn't make me correct. The burden of proof is on me to justify the proposition that your great, great grandmother was made of clay. Get it?

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The burden of proof is on me to justify the proposition that your great, great grandmother was made of clay. Get it?


The burden of proof is on you to justify evolution.


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You can't, not even beyond any reasonable doubt.

Until someone can demonstrate abiogenesis, how the big bang came about, where all the matter came from for the big bang in the first place etc etc etc you have no more than those believing in a mysterious spaghetti monster.
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YES I do

The burden of proof is on me to justify the proposition that your great, great grandmother was made of clay. Get it?


The burden of proof is on you to justify evolution.
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Again, I can prove evolution happens in the present. When it comes to the distant past, there is only evidence. I've given you evidence. An explanation with evidence is more rational than one without. Which is why the scientific community doesn't take Creationism seriously.

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You can't, not even beyond any reasonable doubt.

Until someone can demonstrate abiogenesis, how the big bang came about, where all the matter came from for the big bang in the first place etc etc etc you have no more than those believing in a mysterious spaghetti monster.
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That's absurd. We don't have to demonstrate abiogenesis or the big bang to support evolution. They are separate theories. The germ theory of disease doesn't require me to demonstrate how the universe started. Electricity theory doesn't require me to show how electrons came into existence. You're speaking gibberish.

Evolution has been justified beyond reasonable doubt. What is your explanation for nested heirarchies, ERVs and the fossil record? Why do they all coincidentally match the predictions of evolution theory?

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YES I do

The burden of proof is on me to justify the proposition that your great, great grandmother was made of clay. Get it?


The burden of proof is on you to justify evolution.
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Again, I can prove evolution happens in the present. When it comes to the distant past, there is only evidence. I've given you evidence. An explanation with evidence is more rational than one without. Which is why the scientific community doesn't take Creationism seriously.

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You can't, not even beyond any reasonable doubt.

Until someone can demonstrate abiogenesis, how the big bang came about, where all the matter came from for the big bang in the first place etc etc etc you have no more than those believing in a mysterious spaghetti monster.
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That's absurd. We don't have to demonstrate abiogenesis or the big bang to support evolution. They are separate theories. The germ theory of disease doesn't require me to demonstrate how the universe started. Electricity theory doesn't require me to show how electrons came into existence. You're speaking gibberish.

Evolution has been justified beyond reasonable doubt. What is your explanation for nested heirarchies, ERVs and the fossil record? Why do they all coincidentally match the predictions of evolution theory?
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In essence you are claiming that a God didn't create the universe and ultimately man, something different to creationism. Your words express that over and over. You claim that creationists can't show that there is a God or that God created man and in doing so, by extension, you are claiming there is no God.

NOT once have I claimed evolution doesn't exist, I have stated that you haven't shown it to be any more true than a religious person claiming God started it all yet you completely discount his hypothesis just like you discount my classroom hypothesis even though you can offer nothing better to replace it.

There isn't a court in America that has ruled creationism is false or that there is no God. Likewise they haven't ruled that evolution is true, only that evolution is science and that only science is allowed to be taught in schools.

I have posted links from many universities and scientists that clearly say that evolution is a theory which generally holds true but has issues which, as YET, the scientific community have not resolved.
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Mary Schweitzer didn't lose her job at all, and she's repeatedly told you Creationists to stop using her to support your position. She accepts evolution.
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Dinosaur use to be called dragons and they were real even a good 150 years ago.
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Mary Schweitzer didn't lose her job at all, and she's repeatedly told you Creationists to stop using her to support your position. She accepts evolution.
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Dinosaur use to be called dragons and they were real even a good 150 years ago.
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No, we would have found dinosaur DNA if they were around even 3 million years ago. zero dino DNA debunks young earth

There are so many species of dinosaurs, they wouldn't call them all dragons

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The burden of proof is on me to justify the proposition that your great, great grandmother was made of clay. Get it?


The burden of proof is on you to justify evolution.
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Again, I can prove evolution happens in the present. When it comes to the distant past, there is only evidence. I've given you evidence. An explanation with evidence is more rational than one without. Which is why the scientific community doesn't take Creationism seriously.

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You can't, not even beyond any reasonable doubt.

Until someone can demonstrate abiogenesis, how the big bang came about, where all the matter came from for the big bang in the first place etc etc etc you have no more than those believing in a mysterious spaghetti monster.
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That's absurd. We don't have to demonstrate abiogenesis or the big bang to support evolution. They are separate theories. The germ theory of disease doesn't require me to demonstrate how the universe started. Electricity theory doesn't require me to show how electrons came into existence. You're speaking gibberish.

Evolution has been justified beyond reasonable doubt. What is your explanation for nested heirarchies, ERVs and the fossil record? Why do they all coincidentally match the predictions of evolution theory?
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In essence you are claiming that a God didn't create the universe and ultimately man, something different to creationism. Your words express that over and over. You claim that creationists can't show that there is a God or that God created man and in doing so, by extension, you are claiming there is no God.
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False. Evolution theory doesn't address the existence of God. Evolution theory proposes that different taxa diverged from common ancestors through descent with inherent modification. We directly observe populations diverging through this process in the present. Creationists reject this proposition, claiming that different taxa independently appeared supernaturally.

NOT once have I claimed evolution doesn't exist, I have stated that you haven't shown it to be any more true than a religious person claiming God started it all yet you completely discount his hypothesis just like you discount my classroom hypothesis even though you can offer nothing better to replace it.
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False. I've presented the ERV evidence which indicates that different taxa are related. I've presented the fossil evidence that indicates the gradual modification and diversification of different taxa. The sequence that these taxa appear perfectly matches the degree that ERVs are shared. Like wise, nested hierarchies indicate a sequence of divergence that perfectly matches the ERV and fossil evidence. All of these different facts all corroborate the same story. It is better than anything you (or Creationists) have presented.

There isn't a court in America that has ruled creationism is false or that there is no God. Likewise they haven't ruled that evolution is true, only that evolution is science and that only science is allowed to be taught in schools.

I have posted links from many universities and scientists that clearly say that evolution is a theory which generally holds true but has issues which, as YET, the scientific community have not resolved.
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Ok. Fine. Evolution is still the best explanation.
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All I know is that humans seem to have the behavioral potential of the entire animal kingdom. As of now my thought s can only reach so far. Allow me tomorrow morning to ponder your challenge. For now, it seems to me that we exist in a persistent illusion whereas there seems to be some deeper truth evading our five sensory perceptions..If there were a God, why not use the animal world to demonstrate the range of potential that is within our souls I.E. Lowly vs Noble
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I don't see what that has to do with how modern life got to where it is.
If there is a God, why not create a universe in which nature would automatically produce the life we see through the process of evolution?

The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.
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For the bible to be real, animals would have to be able to adapt to changing circumstances. The nature of reality is so far beyond what they hypothesised in darwins time, that at this point anything is possible. That being said, a single cell is more sophisticated than our most advanced technology, I have a hard time believing that it came about without a designer. I am not saying anything new, people are entitled to their opinions, however Darwinism has caused irreparable damage to western society, only by a miracle will we get out of this in tact.
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You can't even debunk the best evidence for evolution. I wonder why.
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Bring all science disciplines a others add history, now, the geological data, has a problem that does not show the evolution theory an none of the maternal that would be need. It does show the way the earth form thought, if you want how it was found to be, go to the book of genesis, it just as stated there. The core samples is there they find layers of life forms, the layers of where the earth layers long ago, stacks of the lives of every thing that lives and come about is in these layers. They have tried to go even farther in every country in the world, same.

I know people just refuse to believe we were a off shoot of primates, well not really, the DNA is similar with mankind so is dog, cat, cows, birds, fish, trees and plants and all other things, it has plans a laid out plan for what was being created, if man creates to similar things, did you and this is how you imagined to do so, and they are different only some of the material is alike only is a whole other product. I hope that simple sentence is understandable. The dna is coded in our way of thinking the way it lays out and changes if what comes to be, it become plants, trees, insects, and animal of all different kinds all the different animals a one special one mankind. We are special every one of mankind is special male and female created he them, so forth and multiple and replenish the earth, it was our being something else was wiped of the earth. And this all has been a dance, man fight against his creator, so do teens as they grow up, we are in his likeness and imagine, thanks dad.
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I don't see what that has to do with how modern life got to where it is.
If there is a God, why not create a universe in which nature would automatically produce the life we see through the process of evolution?

The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.
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For the bible to be real, animals would have to be able to adapt to changing circumstances. The nature of reality is so far beyond what they hypothesised in darwins time, that at this point anything is possible. That being said, a single cell is more sophisticated than our most advanced technology, I have a hard time believing that it came about without a designer. I am not saying anything new, people are entitled to their opinions, however Darwinism has caused irreparable damage to western society, only by a miracle will we get out of this in tact.
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You can't even debunk the best evidence for evolution. I wonder why.
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Bring all science disciplines a others add history, now, the geological data, has a problem that does not show the evolution theory an none of the maternal that would be need. It does show the way the earth form thought, if you want how it was found to be, go to the book of genesis, it just as stated there. The core samples is there they find layers of life forms, the layers of where the earth layers long ago, stacks of the lives of every thing that lives and come about is in these layers. They have tried to go even farther in every country in the world, same.

I know people just refuse to believe we were a off shoot of primates, well not really, the DNA is similar with mankind so is dog, cat, cows, birds, fish, trees and plants and all other things, it has plans a laid out plan for what was being created, if man creates to similar things, did you and this is how you imagined to do so, and they are different only some of the material is alike only is a whole other product. I hope that simple sentence is understandable. The dna is coded in our way of thinking the way it lays out and changes if what comes to be, it become plants, trees, insects, and animal of all different kinds all the different animals a one special one mankind. We are special every one of mankind is special male and female created he them, so forth and multiple and replenish the earth, it was our being something else was wiped of the earth. And this all has been a dance, man fight against his creator, so do teens as they grow up, we are in his likeness and imagine, thanks dad.
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Just debunk ERVs, it should be so easy if evolution is wrong; but that's not possible since ERVs have the same genes as retroviruses and that ERVs are still occurring today.
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For the bible to be real, animals would have to be able to adapt to changing circumstances. The nature of reality is so far beyond what they hypothesised in darwins time, that at this point anything is possible. That being said, a single cell is more sophisticated than our most advanced technology, I have a hard time believing that it came about without a designer. I am not saying anything new, people are entitled to their opinions, however Darwinism has caused irreparable damage to western society, only by a miracle will we get out of this in tact.
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You can't even debunk the best evidence for evolution. I wonder why.
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Bring all science disciplines a others add history, now, the geological data, has a problem that does not show the evolution theory an none of the maternal that would be need. It does show the way the earth form thought, if you want how it was found to be, go to the book of genesis, it just as stated there. The core samples is there they find layers of life forms, the layers of where the earth layers long ago, stacks of the lives of every thing that lives and come about is in these layers. They have tried to go even farther in every country in the world, same.

I know people just refuse to believe we were a off shoot of primates, well not really, the DNA is similar with mankind so is dog, cat, cows, birds, fish, trees and plants and all other things, it has plans a laid out plan for what was being created, if man creates to similar things, did you and this is how you imagined to do so, and they are different only some of the material is alike only is a whole other product. I hope that simple sentence is understandable. The dna is coded in our way of thinking the way it lays out and changes if what comes to be, it become plants, trees, insects, and animal of all different kinds all the different animals a one special one mankind. We are special every one of mankind is special male and female created he them, so forth and multiple and replenish the earth, it was our being something else was wiped of the earth. And this all has been a dance, man fight against his creator, so do teens as they grow up, we are in his likeness and imagine, thanks dad.
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Just debunk ERVs, it should be so easy if evolution is wrong; but that's not possible since ERVs have the same genes as retroviruses and that ERVs are still occurring today.
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If humans are the result of genetic engineering by aliens and it was modern human ancestors that were genetically modified (hence the missing link) would the ERV's still be present?
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You can't even debunk the best evidence for evolution. I wonder why.
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Bring all science disciplines a others add history, now, the geological data, has a problem that does not show the evolution theory an none of the maternal that would be need. It does show the way the earth form thought, if you want how it was found to be, go to the book of genesis, it just as stated there. The core samples is there they find layers of life forms, the layers of where the earth layers long ago, stacks of the lives of every thing that lives and come about is in these layers. They have tried to go even farther in every country in the world, same.

I know people just refuse to believe we were a off shoot of primates, well not really, the DNA is similar with mankind so is dog, cat, cows, birds, fish, trees and plants and all other things, it has plans a laid out plan for what was being created, if man creates to similar things, did you and this is how you imagined to do so, and they are different only some of the material is alike only is a whole other product. I hope that simple sentence is understandable. The dna is coded in our way of thinking the way it lays out and changes if what comes to be, it become plants, trees, insects, and animal of all different kinds all the different animals a one special one mankind. We are special every one of mankind is special male and female created he them, so forth and multiple and replenish the earth, it was our being something else was wiped of the earth. And this all has been a dance, man fight against his creator, so do teens as they grow up, we are in his likeness and imagine, thanks dad.
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Just debunk ERVs, it should be so easy if evolution is wrong; but that's not possible since ERVs have the same genes as retroviruses and that ERVs are still occurring today.
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If humans are the result of genetic engineering by aliens and it was modern human ancestors that were genetically modified (hence the missing link) would the ERV's still be present?
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First, the missing link is an outdated term. We have discovered many hominin species. When we arrange them chronologically (according to various dating methods) they progressively become more human over the course of millions of years. Here's an image:

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To answer your question though, yes. If we were to genetically modify a human being today, it could still contain the ERVs that we share with chimps.
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Bring all science disciplines a others add history, now, the geological data, has a problem that does not show the evolution theory an none of the maternal that would be need. It does show the way the earth form thought, if you want how it was found to be, go to the book of genesis, it just as stated there. The core samples is there they find layers of life forms, the layers of where the earth layers long ago, stacks of the lives of every thing that lives and come about is in these layers. They have tried to go even farther in every country in the world, same.

I know people just refuse to believe we were a off shoot of primates, well not really, the DNA is similar with mankind so is dog, cat, cows, birds, fish, trees and plants and all other things, it has plans a laid out plan for what was being created, if man creates to similar things, did you and this is how you imagined to do so, and they are different only some of the material is alike only is a whole other product. I hope that simple sentence is understandable. The dna is coded in our way of thinking the way it lays out and changes if what comes to be, it become plants, trees, insects, and animal of all different kinds all the different animals a one special one mankind. We are special every one of mankind is special male and female created he them, so forth and multiple and replenish the earth, it was our being something else was wiped of the earth. And this all has been a dance, man fight against his creator, so do teens as they grow up, we are in his likeness and imagine, thanks dad.
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Just debunk ERVs, it should be so easy if evolution is wrong; but that's not possible since ERVs have the same genes as retroviruses and that ERVs are still occurring today.
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If humans are the result of genetic engineering by aliens and it was modern human ancestors that were genetically modified (hence the missing link) would the ERV's still be present?
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First, the missing link is an outdated term. We have discovered many hominin species. When we arrange them chronologically (according to various dating methods) they progressively become more human over the course of millions of years. Here's an image:

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To answer your question though, yes. If we were to genetically modify a human being today, it could still contain the ERVs that we share with chimps.
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So the view of many that modern human are not due to evolution but genetic modification could be true and your ERV's would still appear as they do??

Many claim the Bible is just a representation of all this, the stories of the ancients and where they/we came from.

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Just debunk ERVs, it should be so easy if evolution is wrong; but that's not possible since ERVs have the same genes as retroviruses and that ERVs are still occurring today.
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If humans are the result of genetic engineering by aliens and it was modern human ancestors that were genetically modified (hence the missing link) would the ERV's still be present?
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First, the missing link is an outdated term. We have discovered many hominin species. When we arrange them chronologically (according to various dating methods) they progressively become more human over the course of millions of years. Here's an image:

[link to ncse.com (secure)]

To answer your question though, yes. If we were to genetically modify a human being today, it could still contain the ERVs that we share with chimps.
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So the view of many that modern human are not due to evolution but genetic modification could be true and your ERV's would still appear as they do??

Many claim the Bible is just a representation of all this, the stories of the ancients and where they/we came from.
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Yes. If hominins evolved, then aliens came and genetically modified a hominin to produce humans, then the same ERV's could still be present.

However, the hominin fossil record does indicate that they progressively became more human-like over millions of years.
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If humans are the result of genetic engineering by aliens and it was modern human ancestors that were genetically modified (hence the missing link) would the ERV's still be present?
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First, the missing link is an outdated term. We have discovered many hominin species. When we arrange them chronologically (according to various dating methods) they progressively become more human over the course of millions of years. Here's an image:

[link to ncse.com (secure)]

To answer your question though, yes. If we were to genetically modify a human being today, it could still contain the ERVs that we share with chimps.
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So the view of many that modern human are not due to evolution but genetic modification could be true and your ERV's would still appear as they do??

Many claim the Bible is just a representation of all this, the stories of the ancients and where they/we came from.
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Yes. If hominins evolved, then aliens came and genetically modified a hominin to produce humans, then the same ERV's could still be present.

However, the hominin fossil record does indicate that they progressively became more human-like over millions of years.
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Just putting it out there..................................
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First, the missing link is an outdated term. We have discovered many hominin species. When we arrange them chronologically (according to various dating methods) they progressively become more human over the course of millions of years. Here's an image:

[link to ncse.com (secure)]

To answer your question though, yes. If we were to genetically modify a human being today, it could still contain the ERVs that we share with chimps.
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So the view of many that modern human are not due to evolution but genetic modification could be true and your ERV's would still appear as they do??

Many claim the Bible is just a representation of all this, the stories of the ancients and where they/we came from.
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Yes. If hominins evolved, then aliens came and genetically modified a hominin to produce humans, then the same ERV's could still be present.

However, the hominin fossil record does indicate that they progressively became more human-like over millions of years.
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Just putting it out there..................................
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I've considered the possibility myself.
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Yet they are still not certain. It has not been proven,

"All the evidence" is not proof. You made the assertion so the burden of proof is with you and "all the evidence" is not proof.
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Some say they are certain. I don't. Do you consider paternity tests to be proof? Because the ERV evidence is about as reliable.

I made the assertion that the evidence is on the side of evolution theory (specifically common ancestry)and that it can explain the observed data. It is and it does.

Proof is usually associated with math. Science builds explanatory models. Models with predictive power are more probably correct than those without.
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This guy is like the atheist version of mr. VIP
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This guy believes that algorithms, codes, blueprints, designs, features and complex systems can be created/achieved without intelligence or mind.

And he'll defend this position, with... his own intelligence, which by his own retarded worldview, is the result of random chance events and should by definition not be trustworthy or rational.

The kind of person that is impressed by nothing and no evidence will ever suffice due to bias, prejudice, closedmindedness and ofcourse casual god hating pop culture.
 Quoting: belgium


You have no idea how much of a retard you sound when you use this old worn argumentation, usually spewed out from fanatics ignorant mouths.

Have you considered the opposite? That you are the biased one? Have you ever tried to educate yourself? I mean, really study what evolution is, what DNA and RNA are, really dig into scientific subjects. I can tell almost for certain that you never actually did it. How? You use terminology that are not among those with a deeper(or even a superficial) knowledge of the subjects. And more, have you ever studied logical fallacies? You'll see that your argumentation is based on many of them loosely sewed together in a frail and clumsy way. And of course your answer will be "yes I did!" and you will insist on the same line of failed argumentation again when questioned, showing again that: if you're not lying, then you didn't understood. So its either one, you're a liar or plain stupid. There is also a third option when its a bit of both, allied with a good portion of fanaticism.

Yes, fanaticism. To me, you're not different than any of those towelheads whom blow themselves up. You're not different than a Jim Jones or Marshall Applewhite.
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Only a few examples of the science without taking history examples into consideration, the dead dragons aka dinosaurs, are drawn in not to long ago, say 150 years and back, showing these dragon aka dinosaurs found today. Carbon dating is crap, it really is, core samples are not, and the rates they find in the layer to not comput with these these so called experts who seem to not be able to let anything outside their script into the picture to make it a full picture of what really happened. The oldest life died out, the earth cleaned them out, full front total cleaned washed into the earth. Then there came other life forms much later. The later was called Mammals and the other cold blooded beasts were here too. Woolly Mammoths here with man hunting them. Dodo bird hear in the North America when Europeans came, they killed them and ate them until they became extinct. Got this, man ate the dinosaurs strange as it seems. Does man eat fish sure, does man eat alligators sure, rodent sure, rabbits sure, frogs sure, everything is eatable if you feeding your family and keeping hunger ate bay.

Where do you put the bones, out side in a pile away from the camps. Now, this is a no brainer for a person who studies all the habits of man down to their eating habits.

It nice for man they decide to raise the animals instead of killing and eating everything out there. I do believe Germany would have eaten them themselves after WWI and the crash of their currency, hunger was a problem and bark from trees were even part of the diet.

Take a stroll into the history of man and try to get into their ways their thoughts their time, how hard it really was. It one thing after another back then, say after around AD 200 when something every bad happened, the cold and the disease broke out, so many died they could walk for days without seeing another living soul. This is how the cycles are, the deaths and the rebuilding, it happened many times in history, history piled on history and this evolution was not part of it. It was survival of the fittest, just a Darwin dad and grandpa taught him, he was part of the group who thought they were the best to survive. Figure out how all this helped them survive. It sure did help them. It also weak all of the others mentally. Survival of the fittest, is not a joke. If you do not learn from the past you will repeat it, not only from nature and other place use this term, so did the torah or old testament. People repeat the lies of the past and forget the past that need to be remembered.

If something coming should you not work to help save people, food put back and thing to keep them warm and safe? They just talk about who right a wrong about bones when the history told the bones were not that old, not if they were killing the same one then or the left overs.
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Only a few examples of the science without taking history examples into consideration, the dead dragons aka dinosaurs, are drawn in not to long ago, say 150 years and back, showing these dragon aka dinosaurs found today. Carbon dating is crap, it really is, core samples are not, and the rates they find in the layer to not comput with these these so called experts who seem to not be able to let anything outside their script into the picture to make it a full picture of what really happened. The oldest life died out, the earth cleaned them out, full front total cleaned washed into the earth. Then there came other life forms much later. The later was called Mammals and the other cold blooded beasts were here too. Woolly Mammoths here with man hunting them. Dodo bird hear in the North America when Europeans came, they killed them and ate them until they became extinct. Got this, man ate the dinosaurs strange as it seems. Does man eat fish sure, does man eat alligators sure, rodent sure, rabbits sure, frogs sure, everything is eatable if you feeding your family and keeping hunger ate bay.

Where do you put the bones, out side in a pile away from the camps. Now, this is a no brainer for a person who studies all the habits of man down to their eating habits.

It nice for man they decide to raise the animals instead of killing and eating everything out there. I do believe Germany would have eaten them themselves after WWI and the crash of their currency, hunger was a problem and bark from trees were even part of the diet.

Take a stroll into the history of man and try to get into their ways their thoughts their time, how hard it really was. It one thing after another back then, say after around AD 200 when something every bad happened, the cold and the disease broke out, so many died they could walk for days without seeing another living soul. This is how the cycles are, the deaths and the rebuilding, it happened many times in history, history piled on history and this evolution was not part of it. It was survival of the fittest, just a Darwin dad and grandpa taught him, he was part of the group who thought they were the best to survive. Figure out how all this helped them survive. It sure did help them. It also weak all of the others mentally. Survival of the fittest, is not a joke. If you do not learn from the past you will repeat it, not only from nature and other place use this term, so did the torah or old testament. People repeat the lies of the past and forget the past that need to be remembered.

If something coming should you not work to help save people, food put back and thing to keep them warm and safe? They just talk about who right a wrong about bones when the history told the bones were not that old, not if they were killing the same one then or the left overs.
 Quoting: hankie


They found mammoth DNA.

If Earth is young or dinosaurs were around 150 years ago, why, of all the dinosaur fossils, are there ZERO fossils with dinosaur DNA in them? Or any other species that are thought to be extinct more than 6 million years ago.

You probably think they use carbon dating to date the Earth like every other creationist

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