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Eilonwy User ID: 76884224 United States 11/25/2018 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get the feeling like as long as people decide in their minds "creationist" or "evolutionist" they will remain in the dark. “A grower of turnips or shaper of clay, a commot Farmer or a king--every man is a hero if he strives more for others than for himself alone.” Lloyd Alexander, The Castle of Llyr |
musashi777 (OP) User ID: 76797431 Canada 11/25/2018 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wouldn't even call this proof personally, but it's evidence. Evolution is the best model available and it's the only observable natural phenomena that can bring about a new species. Quoting: Spur-Man Fair enough, but I would consider it at least proof that there were transitional species, which in itself is proof of transitional evolution... Which is one of the main points creationists use to "discredit" evolution. How does it feel that even your "brothers" are smarter than you? Trouble in paradise, oh I mean trouble in the planet of the apes. |
androgynous cow herd User ID: 64614653 United States 11/25/2018 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wouldn't even call this proof personally, but it's evidence. Evolution is the best model available and it's the only observable natural phenomena that can bring about a new species. Quoting: Spur-Man Fair enough, but I would consider it at least proof that there were transitional species, which in itself is proof of transitional evolution... Which is one of the main points creationists use to "discredit" evolution. How does it feel that even your "brothers" are smarter than you? Figures that your fucking pea brain cant see the difference between "opinions" and "facts". Thats why when you are faced with overwhelming facts and evidence you still revert to your superstitious tooth fairy "opinions". It blows my mind that you rather believe your local pedophile preacher than the smartest minds in science in the world lol. You really have nothing better to do than troll me? You must be very lonely, thats what happens when people know you are bat shit crazy... "Straight roads are for fast cars, turns are for fast drivers." -Colin Mcrae "Fuck it, have fun, and chill on GLP. -L_G |
Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/25/2018 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get the feeling like as long as people decide in their minds "creationist" or "evolutionist" they will remain in the dark. Quoting: Eilonwy Oh look, a fence sitter came in to tell us he's smarter than both sides. You're not. Creationism and evolution can't both be correct, and evolution is observable. |
TheLordsServant User ID: 53296857 United States 11/25/2018 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Figures that your fucking pea brain cant see the difference between "opinions" and "facts". Thats why when you are faced with overwhelming facts and evidence you still revert to your superstitious tooth fairy "opinions". It blows my mind that you rather believe your local pedophile preacher than the smartest minds in science in the world lol. You really have nothing better to do than troll me? You must be very lonely, thats what happens when people know you are bat shit crazy... "Facts"? Go ahead and keep worshiping those "smartest minds in science". Troll you? You just happened to be worshiping science. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/25/2018 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wouldn't even call this proof personally, but it's evidence. Evolution is the best model available and it's the only observable natural phenomena that can bring about a new species. Quoting: Spur-Man Fair enough, but I would consider it at least proof that there were transitional species, which in itself is proof of transitional evolution... Which is one of the main points creationists use to "discredit" evolution. How does it feel that even your "brothers" are smarter than you? Trouble in paradise, oh I mean trouble in the planet of the apes. You know, scientists (99% of whom accept evolution) spend a great deal of their time arguing and actively trying to prove each other wrong. Oh right, you're a Creationist so you probably don't know that. Understanding science does not make us 'brothers.' |
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SCRays9 User ID: 76620744 United States 11/25/2018 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Too many people confuse evolution with survival of the fittest and environmental change. Evolution says mistakes at the genetic level caused changes that genetics now understands is impossible. Those who still believe in this theory need to get up to date. |
Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/25/2018 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Too many people confuse evolution with survival of the fittest and environmental change. Quoting: SCRays9 Evolution says mistakes at the genetic level caused changes that genetics now understands is impossible. Those who still believe in this theory need to get up to date. A flat earther is telling us to get up to date? How ironic. |
Fluffy Pancakes User ID: 77139016 United States 11/25/2018 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why wouldn't they? All the evidence is on their side. 99% of scientists accept it. Not true. 99% of actors posing as scientists agree. Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy "Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself." Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it. Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure. |
Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/25/2018 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why wouldn't they? All the evidence is on their side. 99% of scientists accept it. Not true. 99% of actors posing as scientists agree. That's nothing but an assumption. How do you know all of these people are lying? We can actually survey scientists you know. |
TheLordsServant User ID: 53296857 United States 11/25/2018 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why wouldn't they? All the evidence is on their side. 99% of scientists accept it. Not true. 99% of actors posing as scientists agree. That's nothing but an assumption. How do you know all of these people are lying? We can actually survey scientists you know. How many will actually tell the truth though? Big tobacco scientists saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? How about fluoride in drinking water? Remember DDT....and the eagles? Ever hear of thalidomide? Or the PCB's in old electrical transformers? GMO's? I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/25/2018 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Spur-Man Why wouldn't they? All the evidence is on their side. 99% of scientists accept it. Not true. 99% of actors posing as scientists agree. That's nothing but an assumption. How do you know all of these people are lying? We can actually survey scientists you know. How many will actually tell the truth though? Big tobacco scientists saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? How about fluoride in drinking water? Remember DDT....and the eagles? Ever hear of thalidomide? Or the PCB's in old electrical transformers? GMO's? And who proved those wrong? It wasn't prophets and holy men, it was scientists. All the surveys available suggest that evolution is accepted as scientifically valid by the vast majority. Do you have any evidence of the opposite? Edit: GMO's probably shouldn't be on that list. Last Edited by Spur-Man on 11/25/2018 09:32 PM |
TheLordsServant User ID: 53296857 United States 11/25/2018 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many will actually tell the truth though? Quoting: TheLordsServant Big tobacco scientists saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? How about fluoride in drinking water? Remember DDT....and the eagles? Ever hear of thalidomide? Or the PCB's in old electrical transformers? GMO's? And who proved those wrong? It wasn't prophets and holy men, it was scientists. All the surveys available suggest that evolution is accepted as scientifically valid by the vast majority. Do you have any evidence of the opposite? Edit: GMO's probably shouldn't be on that list. 1. By scientists who had actual God-given morals versus evil greed. 2. Secular scientists who are afraid to be ostracized for saying differently. 3. At what point will it be "too late"? I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/25/2018 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many will actually tell the truth though? Quoting: TheLordsServant Big tobacco scientists saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? How about fluoride in drinking water? Remember DDT....and the eagles? Ever hear of thalidomide? Or the PCB's in old electrical transformers? GMO's? And who proved those wrong? It wasn't prophets and holy men, it was scientists. All the surveys available suggest that evolution is accepted as scientifically valid by the vast majority. Do you have any evidence of the opposite? Edit: GMO's probably shouldn't be on that list. 1. By scientists who had actual God-given morals versus evil greed. 2. Secular scientists who are afraid to be ostracized for saying differently. 3. At what point will it be "too late"? It was people who were doing actual science, regardless of religion or morality. Most likely they accepted evolution. Too late for what? |
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Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/25/2018 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mary Schweitzer didn't lose her job at all, and she's repeatedly told you Creationists to stop using her to support your position. She accepts evolution. Quoting: Spur-Man After all these years if evolution is irrefutable, why is it still just a theory? I don't think you know what theory means. You can study music theory in universities right now, does that mean music doesn't exist? We still teach atomic theory, cell theory, electricity theory... do those things exist? This will explain: [link to www.notjustatheory.com] |
musashi777 (OP) User ID: 76797431 Canada 11/26/2018 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Spur-Man Why wouldn't they? All the evidence is on their side. 99% of scientists accept it. Not true. 99% of actors posing as scientists agree. That's nothing but an assumption. How do you know all of these people are lying? We can actually survey scientists you know. How many will actually tell the truth though? Big tobacco scientists saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? How about fluoride in drinking water? Remember DDT....and the eagles? Ever hear of thalidomide? Or the PCB's in old electrical transformers? GMO's? The problem with this debate is that the darwinists mistake the purpose of science. They use it to try and prove their world view\universal outlook, whereas science is simply a tool. It can be used for good or bad, its a double edged sword, same goes for religions and ideologies. Last Edited by musashi777 on 11/26/2018 11:04 AM |
Eilonwy User ID: 76884224 United States 11/26/2018 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get the feeling like as long as people decide in their minds "creationist" or "evolutionist" they will remain in the dark. Quoting: Eilonwy Oh look, a fence sitter came in to tell us he's smarter than both sides. You're not. Creationism and evolution can't both be correct, and evolution is observable. I'm non religious and don't feel that macro evolution has yet been explained. Micro-evolution is fine, I'm good with that. Personally, I think that DNA is intelligent. “A grower of turnips or shaper of clay, a commot Farmer or a king--every man is a hero if he strives more for others than for himself alone.” Lloyd Alexander, The Castle of Llyr |
Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/26/2018 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's nothing but an assumption. How do you know all of these people are lying? We can actually survey scientists you know. How many will actually tell the truth though? Big tobacco scientists saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? How about fluoride in drinking water? Remember DDT....and the eagles? Ever hear of thalidomide? Or the PCB's in old electrical transformers? GMO's? The problem with this debate is that the darwinists mistake the purpose of science. They use it to try and prove their world view\universal outlook, whereas science is simply a tool. It can be used for good or bad, its a double edged sword, same goes for religions and ideologies. So you understand science better than most scientists? You don't think that's arrogant? The purpose of science is to gain knowledge, it's the search for truth. Creationists don't like evolution because the truth threatens their paycheck. Last Edited by Spur-Man on 11/26/2018 10:00 PM |
Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/26/2018 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get the feeling like as long as people decide in their minds "creationist" or "evolutionist" they will remain in the dark. Quoting: Eilonwy Oh look, a fence sitter came in to tell us he's smarter than both sides. You're not. Creationism and evolution can't both be correct, and evolution is observable. I'm non religious and don't feel that macro evolution has yet been explained. Micro-evolution is fine, I'm good with that. Personally, I think that DNA is intelligent. What do you mean by macroevolution and how hasn't it been explained? |
Eilonwy User ID: 76884224 United States 11/27/2018 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get the feeling like as long as people decide in their minds "creationist" or "evolutionist" they will remain in the dark. Quoting: Eilonwy Oh look, a fence sitter came in to tell us he's smarter than both sides. You're not. Creationism and evolution can't both be correct, and evolution is observable. I'm non religious and don't feel that macro evolution has yet been explained. Micro-evolution is fine, I'm good with that. Personally, I think that DNA is intelligent. What do you mean by macroevolution and how hasn't it been explained? I'm fine with natural selection causing beaks to get larger or fur to get lighter. (mirco-evolution) How do the giant leaps take place? So, lets say a there are animals with 3 chromosomes and we say to ourselves oh, they "evolved" into that different animal with 4 chromosomes. example: Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes and other great apes have 24 pairs of chromosomes So, I can imagine on some weird day after being near radiation...a 3-chromosome animal has a baby and it has 4 chromosomes! Voila! macro evolution has taken place. But where does the new, never-been-seen-before, 4-chromosome animal find a mate to have sex with? The sperm and the egg have to have the same number of chromosomes. There have to be the same number of rungs on the twisting ladder of life! And of course, there is the FIRST living thing with genetic material. Where they heck did that come from? (another UN-explained giant leap). Cosmic stew, right? hmm Last Edited by Eilonwy on 11/27/2018 06:53 PM “A grower of turnips or shaper of clay, a commot Farmer or a king--every man is a hero if he strives more for others than for himself alone.” Lloyd Alexander, The Castle of Llyr |
Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/27/2018 09:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Spur-Man Oh look, a fence sitter came in to tell us he's smarter than both sides. You're not. Creationism and evolution can't both be correct, and evolution is observable. I'm non religious and don't feel that macro evolution has yet been explained. Micro-evolution is fine, I'm good with that. Personally, I think that DNA is intelligent. What do you mean by macroevolution and how hasn't it been explained? I'm fine with natural selection causing beaks to get larger or fur to get lighter. (mirco-evolution) How do the giant leaps take place? So, lets say a there are animals with 3 chromosomes and we say to ourselves oh, they "evolved" into that different animal with 4 chromosomes. example: Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes and other great apes have 24 pairs of chromosomes So, I can imagine on some weird day after being near radiation...a 3-chromosome animal has a baby and it has 4 chromosomes! Voila! macro evolution has taken place. But where does the new, never-been-seen-before, 4-chromosome animal find a mate to have sex with? The sperm and the egg have to have the same number of chromosomes. There have to be the same number of rungs on the twisting ladder of life! And of course, there is the FIRST living thing with genetic material. Where they heck did that come from? (another UN-explained giant leap). Cosmic stew, right? hmm Typically, micro evolution refers to changes within a species, while macro evolution refers to changes above the level of species. Both have been observed. About chromosomes, did you know that people with Down syndrome have an extra chromosome? Horses and donkeys have different numbers of chromosomes, they almost certainly came from a common ancestor, and when they breed you get a mule that is usually (but not always) sterile. So we have observable examples of what you're asking for. How life started in the first place is a separate subject to evolution, but the most popular idea as far as natural explanations go is abiogenesis. This is the creation of life from non living matter. The miller Urey experiment demonstrated that minerals can produce organic material when exposed to electricity and the correct atmosphere. Later experiments have revealed that self replicating RNA can naturally assemble from the raw materials in the right environment, and RNA can form ribosomes that build nucleotides, which can form DNA. The RNA world hypothesis suggests that life came about through a process like this. |
belgium User ID: 40921303 Belgium 11/28/2018 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Spur-Man That's nothing but an assumption. How do you know all of these people are lying? We can actually survey scientists you know. How many will actually tell the truth though? Big tobacco scientists saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? How about fluoride in drinking water? Remember DDT....and the eagles? Ever hear of thalidomide? Or the PCB's in old electrical transformers? GMO's? The problem with this debate is that the darwinists mistake the purpose of science. They use it to try and prove their world view\universal outlook, whereas science is simply a tool. It can be used for good or bad, its a double edged sword, same goes for religions and ideologies. So you understand science better than most scientists? You don't think that's arrogant? The purpose of science is to gain knowledge, it's the search for truth. Creationists don't like evolution because the truth threatens their paycheck. wait, what? The guy above make a statement that is true, observable and is validated by known history. And here you come sweeping and blaming him of arrogance for saying this. my god man if science did not exist, the knowledge that is out there would still exist and your best explanation would remain the same, blind random unguided mindless haphazard luck did it all for no reason or purpose because such things do not exist because such things cannot be proven and behold, you win again with flawless reasoning you bring a whole new level of closed mindedness to these boards/threads my friend For science! |
Spur-Man User ID: 75814481 Australia 11/28/2018 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: TheLordsServant How many will actually tell the truth though? Big tobacco scientists saying second hand smoke isn't harmful? How about fluoride in drinking water? Remember DDT....and the eagles? Ever hear of thalidomide? Or the PCB's in old electrical transformers? GMO's? The problem with this debate is that the darwinists mistake the purpose of science. They use it to try and prove their world view\universal outlook, whereas science is simply a tool. It can be used for good or bad, its a double edged sword, same goes for religions and ideologies. So you understand science better than most scientists? You don't think that's arrogant? The purpose of science is to gain knowledge, it's the search for truth. Creationists don't like evolution because the truth threatens their paycheck. wait, what? The guy above make a statement that is true, observable and is validated by known history. And here you come sweeping and blaming him of arrogance for saying this. my god man if science did not exist, the knowledge that is out there would still exist and your best explanation would remain the same, blind random unguided mindless haphazard luck did it all for no reason or purpose because such things do not exist because such things cannot be proven and behold, you win again with flawless reasoning you bring a whole new level of closed mindedness to these boards/threads my friend *the statement wasn't true. *Without science we wouldn't have the knowledge we do now, or the computer you're using *Evolution says nothing about the purpose of life Every single thing you post is wrong. |
musashi777 (OP) User ID: 76797431 Canada 11/29/2018 08:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Eilonwy I'm non religious and don't feel that macro evolution has yet been explained. Micro-evolution is fine, I'm good with that. Personally, I think that DNA is intelligent. What do you mean by macroevolution and how hasn't it been explained? I'm fine with natural selection causing beaks to get larger or fur to get lighter. (mirco-evolution) How do the giant leaps take place? So, lets say a there are animals with 3 chromosomes and we say to ourselves oh, they "evolved" into that different animal with 4 chromosomes. example: Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes and other great apes have 24 pairs of chromosomes So, I can imagine on some weird day after being near radiation...a 3-chromosome animal has a baby and it has 4 chromosomes! Voila! macro evolution has taken place. But where does the new, never-been-seen-before, 4-chromosome animal find a mate to have sex with? The sperm and the egg have to have the same number of chromosomes. There have to be the same number of rungs on the twisting ladder of life! And of course, there is the FIRST living thing with genetic material. Where they heck did that come from? (another UN-explained giant leap). Cosmic stew, right? hmm Typically, micro evolution refers to changes within a species, while macro evolution refers to changes above the level of species. Both have been observed. About chromosomes, did you know that people with Down syndrome have an extra chromosome? Horses and donkeys have different numbers of chromosomes, they almost certainly came from a common ancestor, and when they breed you get a mule that is usually (but not always) sterile. So we have observable examples of what you're asking for. How life started in the first place is a separate subject to evolution, but the most popular idea as far as natural explanations go is abiogenesis. This is the creation of life from non living matter. The miller Urey experiment demonstrated that minerals can produce organic material when exposed to electricity and the correct atmosphere. Later experiments have revealed that self replicating RNA can naturally assemble from the raw materials in the right environment, and RNA can form ribosomes that build nucleotides, which can form DNA. The RNA world hypothesis suggests that life came about through a process like this. yes the infamous god of the atheists: the mighty lightning bubble puddle! Last Edited by musashi777 on 11/29/2018 08:11 AM |
musashi777 (OP) User ID: 76797431 Canada 11/29/2018 08:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: musashi777 The problem with this debate is that the darwinists mistake the purpose of science. They use it to try and prove their world view\universal outlook, whereas science is simply a tool. It can be used for good or bad, its a double edged sword, same goes for religions and ideologies. So you understand science better than most scientists? You don't think that's arrogant? The purpose of science is to gain knowledge, it's the search for truth. Creationists don't like evolution because the truth threatens their paycheck. wait, what? The guy above make a statement that is true, observable and is validated by known history. And here you come sweeping and blaming him of arrogance for saying this. my god man if science did not exist, the knowledge that is out there would still exist and your best explanation would remain the same, blind random unguided mindless haphazard luck did it all for no reason or purpose because such things do not exist because such things cannot be proven and behold, you win again with flawless reasoning you bring a whole new level of closed mindedness to these boards/threads my friend *the statement wasn't true. *Without science we wouldn't have the knowledge we do now, or the computer you're using *Evolution says nothing about the purpose of life Every single thing you post is wrong. without the bible you would not have had the printing press. without the printing press you wouldn't have computers.seems to me that the darwinists are constantly trying to take the credit for Gods glory. |
Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 76260827 Netherlands 11/29/2018 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | without the bible you would not have had the printing press. without the printing press you wouldn't have computers.seems to me that the darwinists are constantly trying to take the credit for Gods glory. Quoting: musashi777 The printing press was invented by the Chinese. Last time I checked they are human beings, not gods. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |