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Religion: We must destroy it. It is an anchor keeping us from becoming something much better.
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"We" got rid of religion and everything is going to hell in a hand basket.... Downloading ones consciousness onto a hard drive is not my idea of becoming something better. How about we take what we got, and even though its not perfect, try to preserve it. The fantasy of evolving into a techno god is kind of nuts.
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On the other hand a universe created by magic is completely plausible. Mobs of fanatics burning "witches" is fine, justifying all kinds of atrocities in the name of an non existing all powerful being(which is a sadistic, moral thug, barbaric psychopath) is fine. Science is what will lead us to a better future. It is right now, look at what we're doing for crying out loud! We are communicating through a complex machine, over an intricate network covering the whole world. You probably take medicine developed by science. The car you drive, the tools and machines we have, all those things, guess what? Science biatch! Religion brought us, nothing but fanaticism, to the point of suicide is justifiable as long as it kills infidels. And yes, islam and christianity are in "the same boat", along with all others.
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A. most of those atrocities were committed by the catholic church.


B. Secular governments using "science" are responsible for the most devastating couple of centuries mankind has ever witnessed.


C. Christianity and islam are not in the same category.


D. I have nothing against "science", I am just tired of the debate that evolutionists keep perpetuating saying that science and religion are mutually exclusive. If you want to have faith in aliens or bubble puddles more power to you! Would you go as far to say that a hindu, or a Buddhist, or a j&wish person could not be a scientist due to their faith??
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Expected answers, nothing different than any fanatic apologist.
A) Catholic church IS christianity, they are in the same boat as any other christian.
B) There is no such a thing as "secular government", but theocracy, plenty.
C) All religions are in the same category: myth.
D) A very common logical fallacy. Logic seems like the most lacking attribute on fanatics.
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"We" got rid of religion and everything is going to hell in a hand basket.... Downloading ones consciousness onto a hard drive is not my idea of becoming something better. How about we take what we got, and even though its not perfect, try to preserve it. The fantasy of evolving into a techno god is kind of nuts.
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On the other hand a universe created by magic is completely plausible. Mobs of fanatics burning "witches" is fine, justifying all kinds of atrocities in the name of an non existing all powerful being(which is a sadistic, moral thug, barbaric psychopath) is fine. Science is what will lead us to a better future. It is right now, look at what we're doing for crying out loud! We are communicating through a complex machine, over an intricate network covering the whole world. You probably take medicine developed by science. The car you drive, the tools and machines we have, all those things, guess what? Science biatch! Religion brought us, nothing but fanaticism, to the point of suicide is justifiable as long as it kills infidels. And yes, islam and christianity are in "the same boat", along with all others.
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A. most of those atrocities were committed by the catholic church.


B. Secular governments using "science" are responsible for the most devastating couple of centuries mankind has ever witnessed.


C. Christianity and islam are not in the same category.


D. I have nothing against "science", I am just tired of the debate that evolutionists keep perpetuating saying that science and religion are mutually exclusive. If you want to have faith in aliens or bubble puddles more power to you! Would you go as far to say that a hindu, or a Buddhist, or a j&wish person could not be a scientist due to their faith??
 Quoting: musashi777


Expected answers, nothing different than any fanatic apologist.
A) Catholic church IS christianity, they are in the same boat as any other christian.
B) There is no such a thing as "secular government", but theocracy, plenty.
C) All religions are in the same category: myth.
D) A very common logical fallacy. Logic seems like the most lacking attribute on fanatics.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


so what does religion have to do with SCIENCES FAILURE?
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On the other hand a universe created by magic is completely plausible. Mobs of fanatics burning "witches" is fine, justifying all kinds of atrocities in the name of an non existing all powerful being(which is a sadistic, moral thug, barbaric psychopath) is fine. Science is what will lead us to a better future. It is right now, look at what we're doing for crying out loud! We are communicating through a complex machine, over an intricate network covering the whole world. You probably take medicine developed by science. The car you drive, the tools and machines we have, all those things, guess what? Science biatch! Religion brought us, nothing but fanaticism, to the point of suicide is justifiable as long as it kills infidels. And yes, islam and christianity are in "the same boat", along with all others.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain




A. most of those atrocities were committed by the catholic church.


B. Secular governments using "science" are responsible for the most devastating couple of centuries mankind has ever witnessed.


C. Christianity and islam are not in the same category.


D. I have nothing against "science", I am just tired of the debate that evolutionists keep perpetuating saying that science and religion are mutually exclusive. If you want to have faith in aliens or bubble puddles more power to you! Would you go as far to say that a hindu, or a Buddhist, or a j&wish person could not be a scientist due to their faith??
 Quoting: musashi777


Expected answers, nothing different than any fanatic apologist.
A) Catholic church IS christianity, they are in the same boat as any other christian.
B) There is no such a thing as "secular government", but theocracy, plenty.
C) All religions are in the same category: myth.
D) A very common logical fallacy. Logic seems like the most lacking attribute on fanatics.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


so what does religion have to do with SCIENCES FAILURE?
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There are a lot of things in science that were proven to be wrong. But there is nothing in religion proven to be right.
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A. most of those atrocities were committed by the catholic church.


B. Secular governments using "science" are responsible for the most devastating couple of centuries mankind has ever witnessed.


C. Christianity and islam are not in the same category.


D. I have nothing against "science", I am just tired of the debate that evolutionists keep perpetuating saying that science and religion are mutually exclusive. If you want to have faith in aliens or bubble puddles more power to you! Would you go as far to say that a hindu, or a Buddhist, or a j&wish person could not be a scientist due to their faith??
 Quoting: musashi777


Expected answers, nothing different than any fanatic apologist.
A) Catholic church IS christianity, they are in the same boat as any other christian.
B) There is no such a thing as "secular government", but theocracy, plenty.
C) All religions are in the same category: myth.
D) A very common logical fallacy. Logic seems like the most lacking attribute on fanatics.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


so what does religion have to do with SCIENCES FAILURE?
 Quoting: rosicrucian1


There are a lot of things in science that were proven to be wrong. But there is nothing in religion proven to be right.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
For science!
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Expected answers, nothing different than any fanatic apologist.
A) Catholic church IS christianity, they are in the same boat as any other christian.
B) There is no such a thing as "secular government", but theocracy, plenty.
C) All religions are in the same category: myth.
D) A very common logical fallacy. Logic seems like the most lacking attribute on fanatics.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


so what does religion have to do with SCIENCES FAILURE?
 Quoting: rosicrucian1


There are a lot of things in science that were proven to be wrong. But there is nothing in religion proven to be right.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
 Quoting: belgium


Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
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so what does religion have to do with SCIENCES FAILURE?
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There are a lot of things in science that were proven to be wrong. But there is nothing in religion proven to be right.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
 Quoting: belgium


Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
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The Darwinist worldview as well as any other religions are based on faith. Darwinists just can't admit it, that being said, the belief that the material universe came about through random processes is akin to a child believing in santa clause or the easter bunny, where a present or chocolate egg arrives out of thin air and they attribute it to whimsical ideals...
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There are a lot of things in science that were proven to be wrong. But there is nothing in religion proven to be right.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
 Quoting: belgium


Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



The Darwinist worldview as well as any other religions are based on faith. Darwinists just can't admit it, that being said, the belief that the material universe came about through random processes is akin to a child believing in santa clause or the easter bunny, where a present or chocolate egg arrives out of thin air and they attribute it to whimsical ideals...
 Quoting: musashi777


Old worn argument, well known and widely used by people whom simply lack understanding of what evolution is. There is nothing of random, there is no need for faith. Faith is the excuse used to believe things that can't be proven. Just FYI, your argument is called "personal incredulity", its a logical fallacy and only proffered by ignorant illiterate people. Since you probably don't know what ignorant means(aka, you're ignorant about that too), allow me to explain: Ignorant stands for someone whom ignores, someone that doesn't know about something. Learn and study, this will enlighten you and make you a better person.
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Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
 Quoting: belgium


Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



The Darwinist worldview as well as any other religions are based on faith. Darwinists just can't admit it, that being said, the belief that the material universe came about through random processes is akin to a child believing in santa clause or the easter bunny, where a present or chocolate egg arrives out of thin air and they attribute it to whimsical ideals...
 Quoting: musashi777


Old worn argument, well known and widely used by people whom simply lack understanding of what evolution is. There is nothing of random, there is no need for faith. Faith is the excuse used to believe things that can't be proven. Just FYI, your argument is called "personal incredulity", its a logical fallacy and only proffered by ignorant illiterate people. Since you probably don't know what ignorant means(aka, you're ignorant about that too), allow me to explain: Ignorant stands for someone whom ignores, someone that doesn't know about something. Learn and study, this will enlighten you and make you a better person.
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Then where did life come from??
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Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
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The Darwinist worldview as well as any other religions are based on faith. Darwinists just can't admit it, that being said, the belief that the material universe came about through random processes is akin to a child believing in santa clause or the easter bunny, where a present or chocolate egg arrives out of thin air and they attribute it to whimsical ideals...
 Quoting: musashi777


Old worn argument, well known and widely used by people whom simply lack understanding of what evolution is. There is nothing of random, there is no need for faith. Faith is the excuse used to believe things that can't be proven. Just FYI, your argument is called "personal incredulity", its a logical fallacy and only proffered by ignorant illiterate people. Since you probably don't know what ignorant means(aka, you're ignorant about that too), allow me to explain: Ignorant stands for someone whom ignores, someone that doesn't know about something. Learn and study, this will enlighten you and make you a better person.
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Then where did life come from??
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Another worn argument which has nothing to do with evolution. Abiogenesis is what you're looking for. A fascinating topic.
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so what does religion have to do with SCIENCES FAILURE?
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There are a lot of things in science that were proven to be wrong. But there is nothing in religion proven to be right.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
 Quoting: belgium


Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
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So your position now is: religion exists, but everything surrounding it's existence are mere stories and myths?

Why would a critic confirm a myth?
How does that work?
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The Darwinist worldview as well as any other religions are based on faith. Darwinists just can't admit it, that being said, the belief that the material universe came about through random processes is akin to a child believing in santa clause or the easter bunny, where a present or chocolate egg arrives out of thin air and they attribute it to whimsical ideals...
 Quoting: musashi777


Old worn argument, well known and widely used by people whom simply lack understanding of what evolution is. There is nothing of random, there is no need for faith. Faith is the excuse used to believe things that can't be proven. Just FYI, your argument is called "personal incredulity", its a logical fallacy and only proffered by ignorant illiterate people. Since you probably don't know what ignorant means(aka, you're ignorant about that too), allow me to explain: Ignorant stands for someone whom ignores, someone that doesn't know about something. Learn and study, this will enlighten you and make you a better person.
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Then where did life come from??
 Quoting: musashi777


Another worn argument which has nothing to do with evolution. Abiogenesis is what you're looking for. A fascinating topic.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


How and when does evolution occur without abiogenesis?

Do you know what the word premise means? Need link?
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This is merely dinosaurs that were brought back to life using dna and artificial womb technology by the highly advanced pre-flood Atlantean civilization. Thats why theres still soft tissue its only a few tens of thousands of years old and was frozen!

you also have to consider that curious aliens could have studied our planet some time in the last 100k years and collected dinosaur dna using their far more advanced and effective methods, and bought them back "jurassic park style" to study them whilst they were waiting for their mothership to come back around to pick them up a few years later and then abandoned the earth to go study other planets.
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uh no
funny thing happened the other day...

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There are a lot of things in science that were proven to be wrong. But there is nothing in religion proven to be right.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
 Quoting: belgium


Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain




So your position now is: religion exists, but everything surrounding it's existence are mere stories and myths?

Why would a critic confirm a myth?
How does that work?
 Quoting: belgium


More faulty rhetoric. Putting words in my mouth "So you're saying that..." and adds whatever crap to either ridicule or discredit. Religions always existed, they are all misticism and fanaticism, powered by confirmation bias and ignorance.
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Old worn argument, well known and widely used by people whom simply lack understanding of what evolution is. There is nothing of random, there is no need for faith. Faith is the excuse used to believe things that can't be proven. Just FYI, your argument is called "personal incredulity", its a logical fallacy and only proffered by ignorant illiterate people. Since you probably don't know what ignorant means(aka, you're ignorant about that too), allow me to explain: Ignorant stands for someone whom ignores, someone that doesn't know about something. Learn and study, this will enlighten you and make you a better person.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



Then where did life come from??
 Quoting: musashi777


Another worn argument which has nothing to do with evolution. Abiogenesis is what you're looking for. A fascinating topic.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


How and when does evolution occur without abiogenesis?

Do you know what the word premise means? Need link?
 Quoting: belgium


I do know very well the concept and usage of the term premise. For example, different subjects are not supposed to be mixed or misunderstood, this is a premise for one to be able to take conclusions. Abiogenesis is the origin of life, evolution is how life changed to the current state and the prediction to what it can become in the future. Of course you can study a lot of both things online, there are plenty of places for it, here on the internet, accessed by your device, and both, internet and your device were developed by, guess what, science! Isn't that amazing? It enabled us to talk to each other over thousands of miles away, instantanously. The anti-biotics you (probably) taken at least once, were also developed based on evolution.

The origin of life seems to be a very criticized subject by fanatics(aka, religious people), but only till the point where they can no longer argue back without "magic". You can claim whatever you want, cry and stomp your feet or "speak in tongues", science is about telling facts, religion is about myth and fanaticism.
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Then where did life come from??
 Quoting: musashi777


Another worn argument which has nothing to do with evolution. Abiogenesis is what you're looking for. A fascinating topic.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


How and when does evolution occur without abiogenesis?

Do you know what the word premise means? Need link?
 Quoting: belgium


I do know very well the concept and usage of the term premise. For example, different subjects are not supposed to be mixed or misunderstood, this is a premise for one to be able to take conclusions. Abiogenesis is the origin of life, evolution is how life changed to the current state and the prediction to what it can become in the future. Of course you can study a lot of both things online, there are plenty of places for it, here on the internet, accessed by your device, and both, internet and your device were developed by, guess what, science! Isn't that amazing? It enabled us to talk to each other over thousands of miles away, instantanously. The anti-biotics you (probably) taken at least once, were also developed based on evolution.

The origin of life seems to be a very criticized subject by fanatics(aka, religious people), but only till the point where they can no longer argue back without "magic". You can claim whatever you want, cry and stomp your feet or "speak in tongues", science is about telling facts, religion is about myth and fanaticism.
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"Fact" is Abiogenesis and transitional evolution are both based on Faith.
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Another worn argument which has nothing to do with evolution. Abiogenesis is what you're looking for. A fascinating topic.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


How and when does evolution occur without abiogenesis?

Do you know what the word premise means? Need link?
 Quoting: belgium


I do know very well the concept and usage of the term premise. For example, different subjects are not supposed to be mixed or misunderstood, this is a premise for one to be able to take conclusions. Abiogenesis is the origin of life, evolution is how life changed to the current state and the prediction to what it can become in the future. Of course you can study a lot of both things online, there are plenty of places for it, here on the internet, accessed by your device, and both, internet and your device were developed by, guess what, science! Isn't that amazing? It enabled us to talk to each other over thousands of miles away, instantanously. The anti-biotics you (probably) taken at least once, were also developed based on evolution.

The origin of life seems to be a very criticized subject by fanatics(aka, religious people), but only till the point where they can no longer argue back without "magic". You can claim whatever you want, cry and stomp your feet or "speak in tongues", science is about telling facts, religion is about myth and fanaticism.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



"Fact" is Abiogenesis and transitional evolution are both based on Faith.
 Quoting: musashi777


Nothing can be further from the truth. Faith is the excuse people use to believe something without evidence. There are literally tons of evidence for both, there are literally thousands of scientific papers written and reviewed about both.

The difference between science and religion is that science has basis, reason and pondering, while religion has logical fallacies supporting each other. Believing in "all mighty entities" is in the same level as believing in pixies, unicorns and magic.
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How and when does evolution occur without abiogenesis?

Do you know what the word premise means? Need link?
 Quoting: belgium


I do know very well the concept and usage of the term premise. For example, different subjects are not supposed to be mixed or misunderstood, this is a premise for one to be able to take conclusions. Abiogenesis is the origin of life, evolution is how life changed to the current state and the prediction to what it can become in the future. Of course you can study a lot of both things online, there are plenty of places for it, here on the internet, accessed by your device, and both, internet and your device were developed by, guess what, science! Isn't that amazing? It enabled us to talk to each other over thousands of miles away, instantanously. The anti-biotics you (probably) taken at least once, were also developed based on evolution.

The origin of life seems to be a very criticized subject by fanatics(aka, religious people), but only till the point where they can no longer argue back without "magic". You can claim whatever you want, cry and stomp your feet or "speak in tongues", science is about telling facts, religion is about myth and fanaticism.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



"Fact" is Abiogenesis and transitional evolution are both based on Faith.
 Quoting: musashi777


Nothing can be further from the truth. Faith is the excuse people use to believe something without evidence. There are literally tons of evidence for both, there are literally thousands of scientific papers written and reviewed about both.

The difference between science and religion is that science has basis, reason and pondering, while religion has logical fallacies supporting each other. Believing in "all mighty entities" is in the same level as believing in pixies, unicorns and magic.
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Fascinating, care to share said proof, because I have never seen a puddle produce life that I could demonstrate in a lab.

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I do know very well the concept and usage of the term premise. For example, different subjects are not supposed to be mixed or misunderstood, this is a premise for one to be able to take conclusions. Abiogenesis is the origin of life, evolution is how life changed to the current state and the prediction to what it can become in the future. Of course you can study a lot of both things online, there are plenty of places for it, here on the internet, accessed by your device, and both, internet and your device were developed by, guess what, science! Isn't that amazing? It enabled us to talk to each other over thousands of miles away, instantanously. The anti-biotics you (probably) taken at least once, were also developed based on evolution.

The origin of life seems to be a very criticized subject by fanatics(aka, religious people), but only till the point where they can no longer argue back without "magic". You can claim whatever you want, cry and stomp your feet or "speak in tongues", science is about telling facts, religion is about myth and fanaticism.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



"Fact" is Abiogenesis and transitional evolution are both based on Faith.
 Quoting: musashi777


Nothing can be further from the truth. Faith is the excuse people use to believe something without evidence. There are literally tons of evidence for both, there are literally thousands of scientific papers written and reviewed about both.

The difference between science and religion is that science has basis, reason and pondering, while religion has logical fallacies supporting each other. Believing in "all mighty entities" is in the same level as believing in pixies, unicorns and magic.
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Fascinating, care to share said proof, because I have never seen a puddle produce life that I could demonstrate in a lab.

spock






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popcorn
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Of course you didn't see it silly goose! And probably will never see it. The proof is not something you get as a video or something simple like that. You can get some video explaining it, how it happened, but the proof itself is a little bit more complex than that.
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so what does religion have to do with SCIENCES FAILURE?
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There are a lot of things in science that were proven to be wrong. But there is nothing in religion proven to be right.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
 Quoting: belgium


Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


That is another logical fallacy

Not being able to prove something true is not the same as being able to prove something false.
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How and when does evolution occur without abiogenesis?

Do you know what the word premise means? Need link?
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I do know very well the concept and usage of the term premise. For example, different subjects are not supposed to be mixed or misunderstood, this is a premise for one to be able to take conclusions. Abiogenesis is the origin of life, evolution is how life changed to the current state and the prediction to what it can become in the future. Of course you can study a lot of both things online, there are plenty of places for it, here on the internet, accessed by your device, and both, internet and your device were developed by, guess what, science! Isn't that amazing? It enabled us to talk to each other over thousands of miles away, instantanously. The anti-biotics you (probably) taken at least once, were also developed based on evolution.

The origin of life seems to be a very criticized subject by fanatics(aka, religious people), but only till the point where they can no longer argue back without "magic". You can claim whatever you want, cry and stomp your feet or "speak in tongues", science is about telling facts, religion is about myth and fanaticism.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



"Fact" is Abiogenesis and transitional evolution are both based on Faith.
 Quoting: musashi777


Nothing can be further from the truth. Faith is the excuse people use to believe something without evidence. There are literally tons of evidence for both, there are literally thousands of scientific papers written and reviewed about both.

The difference between science and religion is that science has basis, reason and pondering, while religion has logical fallacies supporting each other. Believing in "all mighty entities" is in the same level as believing in pixies, unicorns and magic.
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Yes, all that may be true but can you cite one example of abiogenesis being observed or occurring? If it did happen why is it not still happening?

It is easy to say it happened because it must have happened or everything else can't have happened but where is the actual proof?
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How and when does evolution occur without abiogenesis?

Do you know what the word premise means? Need link?
 Quoting: belgium


I do know very well the concept and usage of the term premise. For example, different subjects are not supposed to be mixed or misunderstood, this is a premise for one to be able to take conclusions. Abiogenesis is the origin of life, evolution is how life changed to the current state and the prediction to what it can become in the future. Of course you can study a lot of both things online, there are plenty of places for it, here on the internet, accessed by your device, and both, internet and your device were developed by, guess what, science! Isn't that amazing? It enabled us to talk to each other over thousands of miles away, instantanously. The anti-biotics you (probably) taken at least once, were also developed based on evolution.

The origin of life seems to be a very criticized subject by fanatics(aka, religious people), but only till the point where they can no longer argue back without "magic". You can claim whatever you want, cry and stomp your feet or "speak in tongues", science is about telling facts, religion is about myth and fanaticism.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



"Fact" is Abiogenesis and transitional evolution are both based on Faith.
 Quoting: musashi777


Nothing can be further from the truth. Faith is the excuse people use to believe something without evidence. There are literally tons of evidence for both, there are literally thousands of scientific papers written and reviewed about both.

The difference between science and religion is that science has basis, reason and pondering, while religion has logical fallacies supporting each other. Believing in "all mighty entities" is in the same level as believing in pixies, unicorns and magic.
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and scientific papers postulating an idea isn't proof either. The scientific method clearly identifies how to prove something as true. Papers or consensus is not one of those ways. There used to be consensus about Gods, origins of life, everything revolving around the earth etc etc etc. In your mind that consensus proved nothing.
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There are a lot of things in science that were proven to be wrong. But there is nothing in religion proven to be right.
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Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
 Quoting: belgium


Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


That is another logical fallacy

Not being able to prove something true is not the same as being able to prove something false.
 Quoting: newtome


Ah the good old "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" fallacy. The burden of proof is on the positive claim. Claiming "god exists" requires proof. No proof, means your claim is nothing but hot air.
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I do know very well the concept and usage of the term premise. For example, different subjects are not supposed to be mixed or misunderstood, this is a premise for one to be able to take conclusions. Abiogenesis is the origin of life, evolution is how life changed to the current state and the prediction to what it can become in the future. Of course you can study a lot of both things online, there are plenty of places for it, here on the internet, accessed by your device, and both, internet and your device were developed by, guess what, science! Isn't that amazing? It enabled us to talk to each other over thousands of miles away, instantanously. The anti-biotics you (probably) taken at least once, were also developed based on evolution.

The origin of life seems to be a very criticized subject by fanatics(aka, religious people), but only till the point where they can no longer argue back without "magic". You can claim whatever you want, cry and stomp your feet or "speak in tongues", science is about telling facts, religion is about myth and fanaticism.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



"Fact" is Abiogenesis and transitional evolution are both based on Faith.
 Quoting: musashi777


Nothing can be further from the truth. Faith is the excuse people use to believe something without evidence. There are literally tons of evidence for both, there are literally thousands of scientific papers written and reviewed about both.

The difference between science and religion is that science has basis, reason and pondering, while religion has logical fallacies supporting each other. Believing in "all mighty entities" is in the same level as believing in pixies, unicorns and magic.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Yes, all that may be true but can you cite one example of abiogenesis being observed or occurring? If it did happen why is it not still happening?

It is easy to say it happened because it must have happened or everything else can't have happened but where is the actual proof?
 Quoting: newtome


Again, another fallacy "If it happened once, why it is not still happening?". Classic christian apologetics. Look what we are doing, talking over the internet! Its contains a gazillion places to study and educate yourself. Why not go ahead and make your own learning trail, on your own pace?
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Except tangible historical evidence.

Provided by proponents and critics.

But both are wrong, right?
 Quoting: belgium


Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


That is another logical fallacy

Not being able to prove something true is not the same as being able to prove something false.
 Quoting: newtome


Ah the good old "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" fallacy. The burden of proof is on the positive claim. Claiming "god exists" requires proof. No proof, means your claim is nothing but hot air.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



same with abiogenesis

Can you contribute anything other than debating skills? All you are doing is attacking but not showing evidence for any alternative view or evidence that certain other claims are false.

The founder of the scientific theory of the Big bang was mocked and ridiculed by the scientific community for years because of his faith. Finally they looked at his science and accepted his theory.
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"Fact" is Abiogenesis and transitional evolution are both based on Faith.
 Quoting: musashi777


Nothing can be further from the truth. Faith is the excuse people use to believe something without evidence. There are literally tons of evidence for both, there are literally thousands of scientific papers written and reviewed about both.

The difference between science and religion is that science has basis, reason and pondering, while religion has logical fallacies supporting each other. Believing in "all mighty entities" is in the same level as believing in pixies, unicorns and magic.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Yes, all that may be true but can you cite one example of abiogenesis being observed or occurring? If it did happen why is it not still happening?

It is easy to say it happened because it must have happened or everything else can't have happened but where is the actual proof?
 Quoting: newtome


Again, another fallacy "If it happened once, why it is not still happening?". Classic christian apologetics. Look what we are doing, talking over the internet! Its contains a gazillion places to study and educate yourself. Why not go ahead and make your own learning trail, on your own pace?
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


and yet no where on the internet can I find proof of abiogenesis or a demonstration of it occurring or proof that it ever occurred.

Yet scientists have faith that it must have. Faith being what you have when proof doesn't exist.
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Dark brown finch + light brown finch = medium brown finch therefore we must have been hatched from apes.
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Religion does existed along history, not denying that. Is the belief on myths and fairy tales that is wrong.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


That is another logical fallacy

Not being able to prove something true is not the same as being able to prove something false.
 Quoting: newtome


Ah the good old "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" fallacy. The burden of proof is on the positive claim. Claiming "god exists" requires proof. No proof, means your claim is nothing but hot air.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



same with abiogenesis

Can you contribute anything other than debating skills? All you are doing is attacking but not showing evidence for any alternative view or evidence that certain other claims are false.

The founder of the scientific theory of the Big bang was mocked and ridiculed by the scientific community for years because of his faith. Finally they looked at his science and accepted his theory.
 Quoting: newtome


Abiogenesis indeed still has gaps. We don't have all the pieces of the puzzle, but we have enough to understand it. Anyone with a shred of scientific knowledge knows that. Does that mean it is flawed? By no means! It is only incomplete, so far.

And again you come up with one more very well known logical fallacy "the founder(whatever that means) was mocked and bla bla". The funniest thing about religious apologetics is that most of them are unaware of what a logical fallacy is and incur on them ALL the time. And again, there is nothing of faith in science.
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Another worn argument which has nothing to do with evolution. Abiogenesis is what you're looking for. A fascinating topic.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


How and when does evolution occur without abiogenesis?

Do you know what the word premise means? Need link?
 Quoting: belgium


I do know very well the concept and usage of the term premise. For example, different subjects are not supposed to be mixed or misunderstood, this is a premise for one to be able to take conclusions. Abiogenesis is the origin of life, evolution is how life changed to the current state and the prediction to what it can become in the future. Of course you can study a lot of both things online, there are plenty of places for it, here on the internet, accessed by your device, and both, internet and your device were developed by, guess what, science! Isn't that amazing? It enabled us to talk to each other over thousands of miles away, instantanously. The anti-biotics you (probably) taken at least once, were also developed based on evolution.

The origin of life seems to be a very criticized subject by fanatics(aka, religious people), but only till the point where they can no longer argue back without "magic". You can claim whatever you want, cry and stomp your feet or "speak in tongues", science is about telling facts, religion is about myth and fanaticism.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain



"Fact" is Abiogenesis and transitional evolution are both based on Faith.
 Quoting: musashi777


Are you serious? I just explained ERV's to you, and how they can reliably be used as a paternity test. Are paternity tests based on faith? All the evidence is on the side of evolution, but you just stick your head in the sand.
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Nothing can be further from the truth. Faith is the excuse people use to believe something without evidence. There are literally tons of evidence for both, there are literally thousands of scientific papers written and reviewed about both.

The difference between science and religion is that science has basis, reason and pondering, while religion has logical fallacies supporting each other. Believing in "all mighty entities" is in the same level as believing in pixies, unicorns and magic.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Yes, all that may be true but can you cite one example of abiogenesis being observed or occurring? If it did happen why is it not still happening?

It is easy to say it happened because it must have happened or everything else can't have happened but where is the actual proof?
 Quoting: newtome


Again, another fallacy "If it happened once, why it is not still happening?". Classic christian apologetics. Look what we are doing, talking over the internet! Its contains a gazillion places to study and educate yourself. Why not go ahead and make your own learning trail, on your own pace?
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


and yet no where on the internet can I find proof of abiogenesis or a demonstration of it occurring or proof that it ever occurred.

Yet scientists have faith that it must have. Faith being what you have when proof doesn't exist.
 Quoting: newtome


What you would call a proof, no, not gonna find anywhere. What you want(again) is on the lines of the "crocoduck" fallacy. Not quite the same, but similar. You want a puddle sprinkle some chemicals and "voi la", bacteria emerge. Things are WAAAY more complex than that. Most of the very basics terminology is out of the grasp of regular religious fanatics apologetics and not graduated people. I can tell with a certain degree of certainty that you are not graduated(at least not in a technical/scientific field), just by the way you talk. If you knew how science works, all of the arguments you presented so far wouldn't even be wrote. I might be wrong thou.
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Nothing can be further from the truth. Faith is the excuse people use to believe something without evidence. There are literally tons of evidence for both, there are literally thousands of scientific papers written and reviewed about both.

The difference between science and religion is that science has basis, reason and pondering, while religion has logical fallacies supporting each other. Believing in "all mighty entities" is in the same level as believing in pixies, unicorns and magic.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Yes, all that may be true but can you cite one example of abiogenesis being observed or occurring? If it did happen why is it not still happening?

It is easy to say it happened because it must have happened or everything else can't have happened but where is the actual proof?
 Quoting: newtome


Again, another fallacy "If it happened once, why it is not still happening?". Classic christian apologetics. Look what we are doing, talking over the internet! Its contains a gazillion places to study and educate yourself. Why not go ahead and make your own learning trail, on your own pace?
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


and yet no where on the internet can I find proof of abiogenesis or a demonstration of it occurring or proof that it ever occurred.

Yet scientists have faith that it must have. Faith being what you have when proof doesn't exist.
 Quoting: newtome




Scientists don't have faith in abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is just currently the most supported explanation for the creation of life through natural processes.

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