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Scientists Baffled-New Discoveries-Darwinian Evolution Crumbling-Scientists Abandon Theory
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If you want to argue about evolution I don't know why you are spending so much time seeming to challenge me?
Quoting: newtome What are you talking about? You just said I demand proof from Creationists but I can't provide proof for my position. You accused me of a double standard and I refuted you. They also say man came from the work of God which you dispute yet can offer no better alternative. Simply saying man evolved while ignoring where life came from is disingenuous. That doesn't make any sense. First, I don't have to offer an alternative in order to dispute a claim. The burden of proof is on the positive assertion. Basic logic. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Second, I have given you an alternative. Nature. We know nature exists, we don't know that the supernatural exists. Therefor Occam's razor suggests that a natural explanation is most likely. And history has shown this to be the case. And I'm disingenuous? That's ridiculous. I don't have to tell you where electricity came from in order to be an electrician. We can see evolution happening right now. I think abiogenesis is probably the answer to where life came from, but I don't know for certain. Nothing disingenuous about that. The great beauty of Atheists is that they have a lack of belief, they believe in nothing and have no conviction about anything other than saying they don't know any answers but they demand proof from anyone who offers one, unless it is science and then they give it a much lower bar to jump. The moment you say there is no God then you are not an Atheist as you now believe in something, a lack of God. Just because nature exists does not make it an all encompassing answer to every unknown. To assume otherwise says you are believing that Nature is the answer to the exclusion of all else and suddenly you are no longer an Atheist even though the question of where nature, the planets etc etc came from in the first place remains unanswered. Next stop is a belief in Gaia. If you want to take the stance that only one side needs to prove something then it is no longer a discussion, all you are doing is tearing a group apart for no net benefit whatsoever. The following is a statement by the Catholic church who have made many contributions to science. Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth. ... Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are.By all means challenge religion and claims but at least offer something in it's place.
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