Perfect. so when it is said societies are based on Judea-Christian values they are actually referring to Egypt and Hamurabi. Got it. I am not trying to hijack anything, the debate about Judea-Christian values and their influence on many countries including Australia and America are easily found.
Quoting: newtome See, irrelevant tangent and misrepresentation. I never said anything about influence. YOU said judeo-christian values were the foundation. Yet the founding documents contradict the commandments. You asked me why 'judeo-christian countries' have less slavery. I explained that slavery was recently abolished by secular governments. The Bible condones slavery.
Stop conflating the Bible and Christian values.
Quoting: newtome People take the values of Jesus directly from the Bible. Are the 10 commandments not Christian values?
Freedom of religion doesn't contradict Freemasonary and the majority of the founding Fathers were Freemasons.
Quoting: newtome Yes. Who cares? Pointless tangent.
Swedish and Japanese Atheists??
This is a common fallacious argument put forward by those arguing against religion. It has been shown to be wrong time and again. It is the misconception that a claimed lack of belief in a God also means that how they live and their values are no longer consistent with their respective religions.
If you care to investigate both countries you will see that their religious values and practices are embedded into their societies so although they may claim to lack a belief in God they are still largely practicing the same values they were while believing,
I don't like Wikipedia but it is easy and can be confirmed in lots of other places.
Quoting: newtome Another pointless tangent. Japan is majority non-religious. I don't care if their values are consistent with religion, Japan demonstrates that a majority population without religious belief can result in less murder and rape than a majority religious society. People don't need religion to be moral.
Let's look at Sweden.
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Year 2017
Swedish Population 10,120,242
Church Members 5,993,368
% of Population 59.3%
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In 2000 the Church of Sweden ceased to be a state church, but there remains a strong tradition of community connection with churches, particularly in relation to rites of passage, with many infants baptized and teenagers confirmed (currently 40% of all 14 year olds[9]) for families without formal church membership.Formal Church Membership = 59.3%
No Membership = 40.7% and 40% of these children are baptized and confirmed
In simple terms that is 75% of children are still Baptised and Christened. (59% + (40% x 40%) ) = 75%
Yes it assumes Church Members and non Members are having children at the same rate.
So by your reckoning that means that Atheists are actively getting their children Baptized and confirmed.
Misrepresentation and pointless tangent. Sweden is 18% atheist. America is about 4% similar to the congo.
If you seriously want to talk about Japan after their actions during WW2 then I will happily do that. I have spent quite a lot of time in Japan but in essence it is like sweden, the community has a very strong connection to their religious practices.
Quoting: newtome WW2, pointless tangent. Germany was majority Christian.
I never took it to rape and murder, I explained why various Christians do. If you want to say Christian VALUES are based on myths then you need to offer up alternatives otherwise you are just saying that you accept MOST things about Christianity apart from God and the divinity of Jesus. God aside that is really no different to Franklin and Jefferson who still believed the teachings of Jesus were the best values they could find to base a country on.
Quoting: newtome That doesn't make any sense. Deists, by definition do believe Christian values are based on myths. What was Jefferson's alternative?
I don't accept 'most things' about Christianity, neither do I have to offer an alternative in order to think murder and rape are bad.
