Breaking From Dallas: Former Dallas Police Officer Amber Guyger Indicted For Murder

Charged, or Indicted doesn't mean shit...

Innocent until Proven Guilty...

This case will drag-out for years IMO...

In the mean-time, suspended with pay, until the "verdict", or a plea-bargain...

I don't think that is such a bad option for this person...
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No pay. She has been fired.

Precisely!
I'm left scratching my head on this charge. If she worked a double, came home and erred believing that she was entering her apartment and thought she was walking into a burglary or home invasion, she should have been charged at most for involuntary, maybe voluntarily manslaughter, not murder.

I predict that this overreach will result in a not guilty unless the prosecution comes to its senses and allows her to plead to lesser charges.

As tragic as this was, emotion has to be taken out of the equation.

There is no evidence in the public venue suggesting she lied, no need to make up stuff just to further your bias.

Looking at Texas law in this situation is very important, I believe this comment from some one earlier is this thread makes sense: You have to understand Texas law.

We don't have different degrees of manslaughter and murder, per say.

Read here for a better understanding.

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Murder charges are further divided based on the severity and other circumstances surrounding the crime. While many states separate murder charges into first and second degree murder, Texas law makes a distinction between “capital murder” and “murder.”

In order to be charged with murder, the defendant must have knowingly and willingly caused the death of another person. The biggest distinguishing factor between murder and manslaughter involves the intent of the perpetrator. If the defendant intended to cause serious bodily harm or death, or intended to commit a felony other than manslaughter that resulted in death, he or she can be charged with murder.
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She shot him with intent to cause bodily harm or death, imo, which is not manslaughter in Texas. Her defense can claim she did so under the Castle law, but that argument will have to be decided by a jury or the judge.

Question is, can they prove intent?

She lied about two things that were proven wrong, in her initial report. And then changed it. Got fired anyway. She’s not done lying either.

she will probably get 20 years or better this was murder

You only truly know neighbors on facebook by what they post or what they like. That's why I stay away from FB.

Takes one to know one.

You are only partially correct. The problem in this case revolves around the criminal culpability of the defendant. What, about her actions was "criminal"?

Keeping in mind the facts, as we know them, and the definition regarding the "Mistake of Fact" basis in law what was her criminal act?

You have to first look at how Texas defines a criminal act;

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Sec. 6.02. REQUIREMENT OF CULPABILITY. (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person does not commit an offense unless he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence engages in conduct as the definition of the offense requires.

So, IF the facts are as they appear to be, this would have simply been a horrible accident but without any criminal culpability whatsoever.

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Cut the crap or produce the "lies".

About damn time someone fired that cheating crook

This is what happens EVERY TIME the press intervenes in something that Internal Affairs is trying to gag. It made national news, and the good ole boys club must wash their hands of this.


I am sure all of the facts behind this event have been obfuscated beyond recognition at this point. My heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of the victim.

Wow, this is bullshit -- politically-motivated bullshit at that, all because the shooter is a white cop, and the "victim" was a black male.

According to the information available to her at the time, she had entered what she *thought* was HER own apartment, and was then confronted by a large black male who was undressed ...

She gave him verbal commands which he FAILED to comply with , and as a result she was forced to fire upon him, while in reasonable fear for her life.

This was NOT murder.

It was a tragic accident, nothing more.

Officer Guyger will be found NOT guilty, and the family of the "victim" will receive a cash settlement.

A good church-going Christian who it was later learned had a large amount of marijuana in the apartment, along with drug paraphanelia.

Why did he refuse to comply with Officer Guyger's commands ? Did he threaten her, verbally, or perhaps even physically ?

I guess we will learn during the trial. I have no doubt though she will be found NOT GUILTY

The problem is there was a video and neighbor eyewitness account that was turned in to the police and shortly after that Guyger was fired ,”based on her actions during the manslaughter investigation.”
Normally an officer is suspended with pay during the investigation, but in this case they found cause to fire her, not for the shooting, but for her actions during the investigation.

Good post and interesting. It's good know there is such a legal definition. This was a horrible killing of a good man but I do believe her story and it was, indeed, a mistake of fact. She needs to pay for this mistake but prison isn't the answer. Maybe financial compensation to his family for the rest of her working life? Dunno but punishing her as a criminal murderer would be pointless other than to satisfy the revenge desire that some have.

If someone mistakenly walked into my house and shot my husband I would think they should be tried for murder. If your home is not your sanctuary and safe place, then where the hell is?

Oh, fuck off with that trying to smear him. He was in his own fucking home, you moron. He would not be expected to obey the commands of an intruder!

What she did was murder, these are the right charges on her.

Fair points but what if it was just as she said and was a terrible mistake?

Well, that's why I don't need to be on a jury in many cases- I project how I would feel if it happened to me.

1. How dumb to go into the wrong apartment in the first place.

2. Then to not notice in a split second that the vibe/smell/general lay of the furniture (even in the dark) is not right.

Just no. She was an intruder in his home.

^^^^I mean supposedly she had time for "verbal commands", but no time to notice this wasn't her apartment?

amen

Thank you, unfortunately the public tends to operate on emotions instead of facts and law. In this case it seems the outgoing DA is doing the same.

Last Edited by FeedYourHead on 11/30/2018 09:05 PM

I, too, would be distraught, angry and very emotional if this happened to my husband of anyone I love. That doesn't mean she didn't make a mistake. It was not an accident in that she intended to shoot him but it was a mistake in that she thought he was an intruder in her apartment. I think the answer to your question is that she was a cop. She didn't react like other people would precisely because she's been trained to react with lethal force and do so fast. I have a huge problem with the power our society gives cops, which is another thread, but I believe that's the context that explains her actions.

Let me ask you this: If you believe she entered the wrong apartment and reacted in a hasty and reckless manner, do you think that makes her a criminal murderer like a thug who walks into a liquor store and kills the clerk? IOW, murder is murder, no matter the circumstances?

Last Edited by thinking... on 11/30/2018 09:22 PM

Kept thinking it was a hit too.