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Make no mistake we are at the “End of Ages”.
I grew up knowing The Word of God but didn’t always follow it. Due to my own ignorance and rebellion I walked in darkness for a long time. Struggling and fighting an uphill battle, un winnable. One day I made my stand. I renounced my rebellion and offered my life to Christ whole heartedly never knowing his Love until that moment. I believe I was always protected because I should have died more than once but I am still here. I am living breathing proof that those who walk in utter darkness can be redeemed. There is ONLY ONE redeemer and his great and holy name is Jesus Christ. Yeshua Ha-Mashiach The Annointed. The Messiah, the beginning and Ending.

The day I picked up my cross I still struggled up hill and it will always be that way for the followers of Christ. But to us was given a promise by him who holds the 7 candle sticks & lamp stands.


Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

We are at the beginning of the end.

Matthew 24:4
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.


Last weeks earthquake reported as of Dec.1/2018 : 82,845 world wide. 10.901 in the last 30 days. This amount is 50% above normal since the first increase in reported world wide earthquakes in 2015.

False Christs are every where you look today. The illumnists work tirelessly to bring about the birth of their Massiah. If you don’t believe in God fear not because those who rule over you certainly do. However their God works towards your certain destruction. I look at the earth today and am perplexed at peoples behaviour and failure to act with due diligence in all things. Socialism, Marxism and fascism rise in free nations while its peoples sleep or claim it for our benefit. Have we all soon forgotten the hard lessons learned from our not so distant past? Our past can show us what the darkened human heart is capeable of, and those who follow orders blindly can achieve. These troubles are spiritual in nature because they do not die.

Timothy 3

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


This verse explains man, women, and child alike in perfect detail. How far down have we come to treat each other in this way? People blame God for their troubles but look no further than yourself for blame. Each of us is responsible for our own actions. Since when did God take blame for the evil things men do?

Time is short and choices must be made. Which side do you stand on?
Will you stand with The King on the final day or will you stand against him? There are no other sides or fences to sit on.
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That's my story as well...
Amen and Amen!!!

"He who testifies to these things says, 'Surely I am coming quickly.' Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!" - Revelation 22:20
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... AND! ... when that "space event" of seal 6 occurs we will have but a little less than four horrible years BEFORE Yeshua comes to reign! ...
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Some interesting facts about the number of the beast. The anti Christ is also referred to as "the Assyrian". I found these facts, I do not claim them to be my own and have checked a verified them.

666
The Epic of Gilgamesh claims that Gilgamesh or Nimrod was 2/3’s god or 66.6% of Watcher linage. This would give him a DNA bloodline representing 666.


Who can compare with him in kingliness? Who can say like Gilgamesh: “I am King!”? Whose name, from the day of his birth, was called “Gilgamesh”? Two-thirds of him is god, one-third of him is human. Excerpt from the Epic of Gilgamesh, Tablet 1


Nimrod is the son of Cush. His name in Hebrew would be Nimrod ben Cush. The numerical Hebrew value of Nimrod would equal 294: Nun=50; Mem=40; Resh=200; Dalet=4. Ben or “son” has a numerical Hebrew value of 52: Bet=2; Nun=50. The Hebrew numerical value of Cush equals 320: Kaf=20; Shin=300. 294+52+320=666.

Nimrod was the founder of Babylon and ancient Assyria. I believe he was the character known as Gilgamesh and or Orion, Apollo, Sernunos, Osiris, and various others. He was "the World Emporer". When his peoples where scattered after the tower of Babel and the languages where changed. 1 man explained by various peoples.

Revelation 17:11

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Nimrod fits this description of " WAS and IS NOT, and YET to come"
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The wonderful thing about something ending is the beginning of something new.
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The wonderful thing about something ending is the beginning of something new.
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Indeed I marvel in thinking the story is not over and we progress with it in Christ. If I were to go today I would do so in excitement knowing I go to where He is.

"I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also"

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And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
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Time is short and choices must be made. Which side do you stand on?
Will you stand with The King on the final day or will you stand against him? There are no other sides or fences to sit on.
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How about we force you into some other limiting, dualistic, religion-inspired ideological framework by telling you that there's only '2 sides' to choose from?

Are you going to alter and change your current beliefs if we try to do that?

Of course not... Yet you expect others to do the same when you employ the exact same strategy...

You forgot Option C - don't subject yourself to stifling religious dogma that limits your ability to perceive reality.

Do you have any idea how many humans have lived and died without any access to anything pertaining to your current theological beliefs? A billion plus... And yet you want us to believe your claim that we have to identify with your preferred ideological framework? Reality/Universe doesn't care or else it would have made this information available to EVERYONE in EVERY TIME PERIOD... Clearly that hasn't happened and doesn't happen... Therefore anyone claiming there's some unwritten 'rule' that everyone must believe as they do is mistaken...
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Some interesting facts about the number of the beast. The anti Christ is also referred to as "the Assyrian". I found these facts, I do not claim them to be my own and have checked a verified them.

666
The Epic of Gilgamesh claims that Gilgamesh or Nimrod was 2/3’s god or 66.6% of Watcher linage. This would give him a DNA bloodline representing 666.


Who can compare with him in kingliness? Who can say like Gilgamesh: “I am King!”? Whose name, from the day of his birth, was called “Gilgamesh”? Two-thirds of him is god, one-third of him is human. Excerpt from the Epic of Gilgamesh, Tablet 1


Nimrod is the son of Cush. His name in Hebrew would be Nimrod ben Cush. The numerical Hebrew value of Nimrod would equal 294: Nun=50; Mem=40; Resh=200; Dalet=4. Ben or “son” has a numerical Hebrew value of 52: Bet=2; Nun=50. The Hebrew numerical value of Cush equals 320: Kaf=20; Shin=300. 294+52+320=666.

Nimrod was the founder of Babylon and ancient Assyria. I believe he was the character known as Gilgamesh and or Orion, Apollo, Sernunos, Osiris, and various others. He was "the World Emporer". When his peoples where scattered after the tower of Babel and the languages where changed. 1 man explained by various peoples.

Revelation 17:11

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Nimrod fits this description of " WAS and IS NOT, and YET to come"
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well that is very interesting,
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Time is short and choices must be made. Which side do you stand on?
Will you stand with The King on the final day or will you stand against him? There are no other sides or fences to sit on.
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How about we force you into some other limiting, dualistic, religion-inspired ideological framework by telling you that there's only '2 sides' to choose from?

Are you going to alter and change your current beliefs if we try to do that?

Of course not... Yet you expect others to do the same when you employ the exact same strategy...

You forgot Option C - don't subject yourself to stifling religious dogma that limits your ability to perceive reality.

Do you have any idea how many humans have lived and died without any access to anything pertaining to your current theological beliefs? A billion plus... And yet you want us to believe your claim that we have to identify with your preferred ideological framework? Reality/Universe doesn't care or else it would have made this information available to EVERYONE in EVERY TIME PERIOD... Clearly that hasn't happened and doesn't happen... Therefore anyone claiming there's some unwritten 'rule' that everyone must believe as they do is mistaken...
 Quoting: WOLF*


I don't expect anything I merely tell the truth as it was taught to me through my own study and research. In life the most important truths are hard learned and is best stated in this way. I'm blunt because coddling has no use. The universe does not have consciousness that is new age mystical crap taught by those who seek the destruction of your soul. You make your own choice as we all must. I altar my belief for no man and I stand for My King. You stand for yours but you don't even know his name.
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One could say we're about to begin a new age burnit
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One could say we're about to begin a new age burnit
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one with a lot less people in it
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LOL. 'ages'

as if no age are to exist immediately following the 'age' in which we currently reside?


nah we're close to a pivot point in society
close to a pivot point in science
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close to a pivot point in awareness of self



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I don't expect anything I merely tell the truth as it was taught to me through my own study and research. In life the most important truths are hard learned and is best stated in this way. I'm blunt because coddling has no use. The universe does not have consciousness that is new age mystical crap taught by those who seek the destruction of your soul. You make your own choice as we all must. I altar my belief for no man and I stand for My King. You stand for yours but you don't even know his name.
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-'the truth' above should be written as 'my truth'. You chose it for yourself. Your idea of 'the truth' did not exist for a billion plus people who experienced this earth. Find a devout muslim and 'the truth' will be something entirely different to that person. Realizing the inherently subjective nature of our beliefs and perceptions is very important. If you don't believe me - try to identify even just ONE person on this earth who shares the exact same belief/perception as you, on every single topic and matter. You can't... Everyone is perceiving and interpreting in a unique way. Just look at the endless bible fights among people claiming to read and study the same book.

-The universe does not have conscious energy? Thats rich... What does it have? What is it made of? They don't discuss this in churches do they? Try telling someone who experienced a radiant, transcendental Near-Death Experience that the Universe isn't conscious...

-Destruction of the soul? Please explain how a soul (which is energy) can be destroyed? Where does it go? Implodes into nothingness, right?

-You just said "I alter my belief for no man" - you claim this for yourself and yet you expect others to alter their beliefs in response to you (man) making threads like this. Is this another example of "Do as I say, not as I do"... Yes it is...

-You can stand for whatever you want. But you don't get to put words in my mouth or claim thoughts for me which are not my own. 'Kings' & 'Queens' are human created concepts and titles - which originated from the notion of 'royalty' and the stratification of society...
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I don't expect anything I merely tell the truth as it was taught to me through my own study and research. In life the most important truths are hard learned and is best stated in this way. I'm blunt because coddling has no use. The universe does not have consciousness that is new age mystical crap taught by those who seek the destruction of your soul. You make your own choice as we all must. I altar my belief for no man and I stand for My King. You stand for yours but you don't even know his name.
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-'the truth' above should be written as 'my truth'. You chose it for yourself. Your idea of 'the truth' did not exist for a billion plus people who experienced this earth. Find a devout muslim and 'the truth' will be something entirely different to that person. Realizing the inherently subjective nature of our beliefs and perceptions is very important. If you don't believe me - try to identify even just ONE person on this earth who shares the exact same belief/perception as you, on every single topic and matter. You can't... Everyone is perceiving and interpreting in a unique way. Just look at the endless bible fights among people claiming to read and study the same book.

-The universe does not have conscious energy? Thats rich... What does it have? What is it made of? They don't discuss this in churches do they? Try telling someone who experienced a radiant, transcendental Near-Death Experience that the Universe isn't conscious...

-Destruction of the soul? Please explain how a soul (which is energy) can be destroyed? Where does it go? Implodes into nothingness, right?

-You just said "I alter my belief for no man" - you claim this for yourself and yet you expect others to alter their beliefs in response to you (man) making threads like this. Is this another example of "Do as I say, not as I do"... Yes it is...

-You can stand for whatever you want. But you don't get to put words in my mouth or claim thoughts for me which are not my own. 'Kings' & 'Queens' are human created concepts and titles - which originated from the notion of 'royalty' and the stratification of society...
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Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition. You speak of bible fights but you are the only person here arguing in a rage and YOU came in fighting. I don't expect anyone to change in any way. If someone choses to do so that is their choice, a choice we all have and I didn't force it on anyone. I didn't put any words in your mouth but like it or not you have chose a side and you don't even know it but its clearly against me and my belief. You don't like what I have to say tough luck. I'm sorry if what I say offends you snowflake but its a tough world we live in so knuckle under.

You rage explains perfectly the justice champion non sense that tries to force people today to sit down instead of standing up and speaking their mind. You expect everything that everyone says always will not make in some way anyone mad? The most important of issues will always offend. That is the nature of struggling for meaning in our lives. But there is more to this all then an end. There is an end in all things even this world. There is love and forgiveness and brotherhood. I also tell of these truths for all.

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Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition.
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-Then why did Christians in the earliest centuries believe something that most Christians today think is heretical?
[link to www.christianspiritualism.org]

Click on the link for 'Summary Of Conclusions'.

Isn't that interesting how what is deemed 'the truth' keeps changing across centuries and across translations?

What's 'the truth' regarding stoning women to death? Is it immoral when men in Saudi Arabia stone a woman to death for committing adultery? Of course... Was it immoral when that same action was carried out 2500 years ago and allegedly commanded by a deity in your religious text? No? How come 'the truth' of the ethics/morals behind stoning women to death changes according to the time period and context?

You speak of bible fights but you are the only person here arguing in a rage and YOU came in fighting.
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Who's in a rage? Certainly not me... I'm lying down and resting/relaxing as I'm typing out these posts... This isn't 'fighting', this is me responding to your assertions and being straightforward and blunt/direct.

I don't expect anyone to change in any way. If someone choses to do so that is their choice, a choice we all have and I didn't force it on anyone.
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If you don't expect anyone to change in any way you would not have attempted to employ the strategy of convincing people that 'time is running short' to make their 'decision' and choose between one of only two 'sides' that you presented them with... Of course you are expecting someone to change their beliefs (to align with YOURS) or else there was absolutely no point in typing out what you did, and how you did.

I didn't put any words in your mouth but like it or not you have chose a side and you don't even know it but its clearly against me and my belief.
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Listen, I was raised attending a church. This 'angle' that you're trying to play is nothing new to me. I'm not against you - I'm against the practice of people using religious ideology to try to manipulate and exercise control over the natural right of others to form their own beliefs about themselves and about the nature of reality/existence. I'm not against you as a person, and I support your right to believe anything you want, as long as you're not causing harm to yourself or others in doing so.

Does that make sense how you can take issue with a behavior and not with the overall person?

Example - how would you feel in response to a bunch of hindus trying to convince you that time is running short for you and you must choose to one of the two sides outlined by their ideological dogma/doctrines... Would you find their desire to influence and exercise control over your beliefs to be beneficial and helpful? Or unhealthy and counterproductive?

If it's easy to relate to this when I employ the example of hindus, then why not recognize this across the board, regardless of one's personal and preferred theology?

You don't like what I have to say tough luck. I'm sorry if what I say offends you snowflake but its a tough world we live in so knuckle under.
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I'm not offended, I have an opinion and I voice it.

Name calling now with 'snowflake'? Noted...

You rage explains perfectly the justice champion non sense that tries to force people today to sit down instead of standing up and speaking their mind.
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You lack discernment if you think my posts reflect 'raging'.

And you just supported 'speaking one's mind', yet I'm doing exactly that here and you respond by making false assumptions about me and calling me 'snowflake'?

So do you only support your right to speak your mind, and not the right of anyone who challenges anything you assert?

You expect everything that everyone says always will not make in some way anyone mad? The most important of issues will always offend.
 Quoting: RiZE


Great, I'll just take this reasoning right here and apply it to my posts and your reaction to them... I must have raised the most important of issues, and that's why you are now 'mad' in response - calling me names and making false assumptions... Consider that...

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Hmm my beer tastes the same
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Jesus is coming.
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Hmm my beer tastes the same
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Make no mistake we are at "the end of ages"-...again?...
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Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition.
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-Then why did Christians in the earliest centuries believe something that most Christians today think is heretical?
[link to www.christianspiritualism.org]

Click on the link for 'Summary Of Conclusions'.


Point out specifically which part of this document Christians today find heretical? Are you talking about Enoch?
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Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition.
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-Then why did Christians in the earliest centuries believe something that most Christians today think is heretical?
[link to www.christianspiritualism.org]

Click on the link for 'Summary Of Conclusions'.


(Edit: Typos)
 Quoting: WOLF*


Catholic Hell Copied from Heathen Sources. Origin of Endless Punishment.
For example, the Pharisees, according to Josephus, regarded the penalty of sin as torment without end, and they stated the doctrine in unambiguous terms. ( Jesus rebuked the Pharasies and called them hypocrites, he also compared them to a den of vipers.)

Classic scholars know that the heathen hell was early copied by the Catholic church, and that almost its entire details afterwards entered into the creeds of Catholic and Protestant churches up to a century ago. ( WRONG ) Below are two verses speaking of eternal punishment that was written well before the Catholic church existed.

Daniel 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."
Isaiah 66:22-It says that once God makes the new heavens and the new earth, believers "will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against [God]; their worm will not die, now will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."
If you say it has been copied wrong or last in translation or changed you are once again WRONG. In 1947 oddly enough the same year Israel was re formed, the dead sea scroll where found. Among them was found a scroll of Isaiah that was translated and compared to our modern King James Bible and was found to be 100% accurate with nothing added or missing.
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Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition.
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-Then why did Christians in the earliest centuries believe something that most Christians today think is heretical?
[link to www.christianspiritualism.org]

Click on the link for 'Summary Of Conclusions'.

Isn't that interesting how what is deemed 'the truth' keeps changing across centuries and across translations?

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 Quoting: WOLF*


When we ask the question: Where did those in the primitive Christian church who taught endless punishment find it, if not in the Bible?- ( from your supplied document)

Biblical references for eternal punishment:

Daniel 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."

Isaiah 66:22-It says that once God makes the new heavens and the new earth, believers "will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against [God]; their worm will not die, now will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
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Based on every available situations that we are seeing around the world, you can say that there is a high possibility, yes.
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What a non ending we have here.

Sag DEG going up
Mag Stream going down...

Wait till we get through Andromeda.
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Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition.
 Quoting: RiZE


-Then why did Christians in the earliest centuries believe something that most Christians today think is heretical?
[link to www.christianspiritualism.org]

Click on the link for 'Summary Of Conclusions'.


(Edit: Typos)
 Quoting: WOLF*


Catholic Hell Copied from Heathen Sources. Origin of Endless Punishment.
For example, the Pharisees, according to Josephus, regarded the penalty of sin as torment without end, and they stated the doctrine in unambiguous terms. ( Jesus rebuked the Pharasies and called them hypocrites, he also compared them to a den of vipers.)

Classic scholars know that the heathen hell was early copied by the Catholic church, and that almost its entire details afterwards entered into the creeds of Catholic and Protestant churches up to a century ago. ( WRONG ) Below are two verses speaking of eternal punishment that was written well before the Catholic church existed.

Daniel 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."
Isaiah 66:22-It says that once God makes the new heavens and the new earth, believers "will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against [God]; their worm will not die, now will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."
If you say it has been copied wrong or last in translation or changed you are once again WRONG. In 1947 oddly enough the same year Israel was re formed, the dead sea scroll where found. Among them was found a scroll of Isaiah that was translated and compared to our modern King James Bible and was found to be 100% accurate with nothing added or missing.
 Quoting: RiZE


Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition.
 Quoting: RiZE


-Then why did Christians in the earliest centuries believe something that most Christians today think is heretical?
[link to www.christianspiritualism.org]

Click on the link for 'Summary Of Conclusions'.

Isn't that interesting how what is deemed 'the truth' keeps changing across centuries and across translations?

(Edit: Typos)
 Quoting: WOLF*


When we ask the question: Where did those in the primitive Christian church who taught endless punishment find it, if not in the Bible?- ( from your supplied document)

Biblical references for eternal punishment:

Daniel 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."

Isaiah 66:22-It says that once God makes the new heavens and the new earth, believers "will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against [God]; their worm will not die, now will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
 Quoting: RiZE


Sigh, you haven't even gone down the rabbit hole of your own theology and you're trying to give people time sensitive ultimatums???

You are reacting to English mistranslations of Hebrew & Greek words which changed the meanings of the earlier scriptures... If you don't believe me, I challenge you to read through this document:

[link to www.tentmaker.org (secure)]

Did you know that Jerome who translated the scriptures into Latin was not even a native speaker of Hebrew or Greek? Did you know that Jerome placed the pagan idea of 'hell' in the Latin Vulgate twice as many times as the KJV translators did? Why does the content of the bible change according to whoever is doing the translating?

And referring to anything as 'eternal' which in fact is not present right now and perpetually (always) present is a false construct that violates the very foundation o that concept...

OP you have no business trying to indoctrinate people with theological doctrines if you haven't even sufficiently researched and uncovered the history behind them...

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Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition.
 Quoting: RiZE


-Then why did Christians in the earliest centuries believe something that most Christians today think is heretical?
[link to www.christianspiritualism.org]

Click on the link for 'Summary Of Conclusions'.

Isn't that interesting how what is deemed 'the truth' keeps changing across centuries and across translations?

 Quoting: WOLF*


The Apocryphal Book of Enoch.

from the Egyptian and Pagan sources whence they were derived
( your supplied document )




The actual Book of Enoch.

The book of Enoch was not included in scripture during canonization of the KJV.

If you read the book of Enoch the author dedicates the book to the people of the final age. The book describes how Angels came down to earth and mated with human women who bore their offspring who were giants. Then God bound the Angels in the lowest pits of hell in “everlasting chains”. Likewise he sent the flood to wipe out the Giants and save the human genetic code from contamination knowing Jesus our Saviour would come from the line of mankind.

Places where scripture supports the book of Enoch:

Genesis 5:21 :

And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Genesis 6:
When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

Enoch along with Elijah where the only two men in the entire history of mankind who have ever been “raptured”. These two men never tasted death.
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The wonderful thing about something ending is the beginning of something new.
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Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition.
 Quoting: RiZE


-Then why did Christians in the earliest centuries believe something that most Christians today think is heretical?
[link to www.christianspiritualism.org]

Click on the link for 'Summary Of Conclusions'.


(Edit: Typos)
 Quoting: WOLF*


Catholic Hell Copied from Heathen Sources. Origin of Endless Punishment.
For example, the Pharisees, according to Josephus, regarded the penalty of sin as torment without end, and they stated the doctrine in unambiguous terms. ( Jesus rebuked the Pharasies and called them hypocrites, he also compared them to a den of vipers.)

Classic scholars know that the heathen hell was early copied by the Catholic church, and that almost its entire details afterwards entered into the creeds of Catholic and Protestant churches up to a century ago. ( WRONG ) Below are two verses speaking of eternal punishment that was written well before the Catholic church existed.

Daniel 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."
Isaiah 66:22-It says that once God makes the new heavens and the new earth, believers "will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against [God]; their worm will not die, now will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."
If you say it has been copied wrong or last in translation or changed you are once again WRONG. In 1947 oddly enough the same year Israel was re formed, the dead sea scroll where found. Among them was found a scroll of Isaiah that was translated and compared to our modern King James Bible and was found to be 100% accurate with nothing added or missing.
 Quoting: RiZE


Truth is finite not relative. does 1+1=4 to you? There is only 1 truth by definition.
 Quoting: RiZE


-Then why did Christians in the earliest centuries believe something that most Christians today think is heretical?
[link to www.christianspiritualism.org]

Click on the link for 'Summary Of Conclusions'.

Isn't that interesting how what is deemed 'the truth' keeps changing across centuries and across translations?

(Edit: Typos)
 Quoting: WOLF*


When we ask the question: Where did those in the primitive Christian church who taught endless punishment find it, if not in the Bible?- ( from your supplied document)

Biblical references for eternal punishment:

Daniel 12:2 "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."

Isaiah 66:22-It says that once God makes the new heavens and the new earth, believers "will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against [God]; their worm will not die, now will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
 Quoting: RiZE


Sigh, you haven't even gone down the rabbit hole of your own theology and you're trying to give people time sensitive ultimatums???

You are reacting to English mistranslations of Hebrew & Greek words which changed the meanings of the earlier scriptures... If you don't believe me, I challenge you to read through this document:

[link to www.tentmaker.org (secure)]

Did you know that Jerome who translated the scriptures into Latin was not even a native speaker of Hebrew or Greek? Did you know that Jerome placed the pagan idea of 'hell' in the Latin Vulgate twice as many times as the KJV translators did? Why does the content of the bible change according to whoever is doing the translating?

And referring to anything as 'eternal' which in fact is not present right now and perpetually (always) present is a false construct that violates the very foundation o that concept...

OP you have no business trying to indoctrinate people with theological doctrines if you haven't even sufficiently researched and uncovered the history behind them...
 Quoting: WOLF*


You have obviously done a lot of researcher into people who try to disprove the bible but have you actually read it for yourself? History is written by those who take it by force and write it according to their own agendas. I read your last document and found it wanting in truth. I pointed out at least 3 areas where there are obvious lies and I proved them. What do you have to say about those?
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You have obviously done a lot of researcher into people who try to disprove the bible but have you actually read it for yourself?
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People who try to disprove the bible??? I linked you to two pro-Christian websites which advocate and reinforce Christianity - they are, however, not advocates of people being misled by English mistranslations that changed the meaning of the earliest scriptures... Oh and that write-up about the Greek terms being mistranslated was written by a self-identified Reverend in the 19th century.

Look, here's another pro-Christian website that gets it:

[link to godsplanforall.com (secure)]

[link to godsplanforall.com (secure)]

[link to godsplanforall.com (secure)]


History is written by those who take it by force and write it according to their own agendas.
 Quoting: RiZE


You mean like the Roman Catholic Bishops and Popes that held power and influence?

Or the Roman emperors like Constantine and Justinian that meddled with the religions that were relied upon to govern the populace?

These are the types of individuals who shaped/influenced what many accept today as 'the truth'...

And yes I absolutely agree with you that people twist and distort things to fit or enact their own agendas... Like Jerome who was described as a pagan convert who did not speak Greek or Hebrew natively and merged preexisting pagan beliefs/doctrines with the new religion...

I read your last document and found it wanting in truth. I pointed out at least 3 areas where there are obvious lies and I proved them. What do you have to say about those?
 Quoting: RiZE



I know you didn't read that document in its entirety because you responded 20 minutes later and it takes longer than that to read a document of that length/size and actually digest it....

You calling something an 'obvious lie' while quoting English mistranslations doesn't prove anything except your resistance to question what you have previously attached yourself to...

Go down the rabbit hole of your own theology's history without fear and you will be greatly surprised at what you uncover.

Take care...
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