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Death By Benzodiazepine (Xanax, Ativan, Valium, Klonopin(The Devil) the surreptitious killer more lethal than common Opioids.

 
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So, you have an anxiety disorder, or you've been institutionalized and diagnosed with a disorder that constituted a Benzodiazepine prescription........


So, how do you die? is it like Opioids where you take too much and overdose shutting down your breathing functionality without the aid of an opioid reversal medication like Narcan? quite the contrary.

It's the withdrawal symptoms that kill you when 'they' finally decide to cut you off, that kills you. These specific withdrawal symptoms make Opioid withdrawal look like a cake walk.

Here is the Chronology of your death. Phase 1. - Sleeplessness/Insomnia Phase.2- Auditory and Visual hallucinations, Phase 3. - No appetite and headaches Phase 4. - Psychosis and total withdraw from the world..... and finally Phase 5 - You have a Seizure of the most serious magnitude that ends your life without any warning, and takes the most immediate and serious medical treatment to prevent, far beyond a Narcan intervention.

Stephen Paddock was on very large doses of the Benzodiazepine Valium, which he used to maintain his sociability during his extensive gambling endeavors, in his case, although it didn't kill him, it killed many others.

Benzodiazepines are the most lethal class of drugs in the world, right along the lines of Fentanyl, but the serious damage occurs once you stop taking them, or when a case like Paddock manifests.

For all you men in relationships, it also makes your man hood stop working without additional medications, which is the anti-thesis of what God intended.

Stay away, or die. The Benzos will always double cross you.

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For those of you who have been cut off by your trusted 'good doctor' and are soon about to die a heinous death by Seizure, I have the antidote to save your life.

However, the big question is, do I owe you anything at all after MY STRUGGLE?

My heart has run cold, and although I still want to help humanity, something is quite wrong with me.

My apologies, and God Speed.
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What kind of medications, dosages, and for how long was Paddock taking them?
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What’s the antidote?
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The only short term antidote is probably alcohol. The key is tapering of the benzos very slowly...or drinking until you can get enough pills to to taper slow enough. It might take months if you were on a high dosage.
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For those of you who have been cut off by your trusted 'good doctor' and are soon about to die a heinous death by Seizure, I have the antidote to save your life.

However, the big question is, do I owe you anything at all after MY STRUGGLE?

My heart has run cold, and although I still want to help humanity, something is quite wrong with me.

My apologies, and God Speed.
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Ive quite opiates plenty of times. No you wont die, just feel like you will.

The benzos though sneak up like a mfer. 4 days w/o sleep I was begging for a refill.
After that hell (and that was ONLY 3-4 mg to sleep at night), I simply downgraded that shit to nothing. Sleep like a baby now. However I've read countless threads across the net of people hooked like a mfer using far far more than I ever did, and it took years of weaning down.

The wd's from that shit CAN kill you unlike opiates. Not to be fucked with. Your brain absolutely guarantees that that teeny tiny bit that caused whatever comfort back then does nothing for you later, and you basically are tolerant forever.

Anything beyond 3 days is 100% pointless trust me on that. I didn't even refill my prescription last month and still have some left from month before.

Fuck anxiety disorders, they are NEVER fixed by the pharmaceutical industry.
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What kind of medications, dosages, and for how long was Paddock taking them?
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Paddock was on Valium and perhaps other Benzodiazepines as well. As far as his dosage, you can be sure it was quite high, and that was all swept under the rug.

Paddock's actions are the ultimate display of the dangerous and twisted nature of this class of drugs, and that's not even factoring in the method in which the withdrawal symptoms kill a person.

It's a silent killer, because by the time it does the most damage to the victim, and kills them, it's already medically undetectable by standard drug testing.

The amount of deaths due to this has to be in the millions.
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For the record, Valium is one of the weakest of the Benzodiazepines, barely comparing to Xanax and especiallty Klonopin, which is the very strongest of them, with the longest half-life.

If you take a 2 mg pill of Klonopin, it takes 40 hours for 1 mg to break down in your system........

80 hours to break down a 2 mg pill? that's beyond insane.

The psychological effects are not understood either, especially regarding dangerous and abnormal behavior, like shooting nearly 1000 people at a concert festival for no reason at all.

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Without Xanax I would be in horrible pain. It helps my costrocondritis like no other medicine. It can be used for pain relief as well. Anything can be abused.
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What kind of medications, dosages, and for how long was Paddock taking them?
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Paddock was on Valium and perhaps other Benzodiazepines as well. As far as his dosage, you can be sure it was quite high, and that was all swept under the rug.

Paddock's actions are the ultimate display of the dangerous and twisted nature of this class of drugs, and that's not even factoring in the method in which the withdrawal symptoms kill a person.

It's a silent killer, because by the time it does the most damage to the victim, and kills them, it's already medically undetectable by standard drug testing.

The amount of deaths due to this has to be in the millions.
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Your blaming benzos on the shooting. Come on. Not being a dick but I think you need more education on pharma.
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So you don't know what dosage he was on, or for how long... I don't disagree that Benzos are easily addicted to and dificult to remove from the equation once used for any longer than about 5 days...

Paddock was killed by lead. His use or withdrawls from usage may or not have been a factor in his alleged rampage.
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The only short term antidote is probably alcohol. The key is tapering of the benzos very slowly...or drinking until you can get enough pills to to taper slow enough. It might take months if you were on a high dosage.
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And for that to even half way work, the amount of alcohol necessary, in itself, will kill most people.

We're not talking about a few beers here.

Furthermore, it may only stop the last phase of having a seizure and dying, but it won't help you get to sleep, or stop the oncoming psychosis.
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Seizures from withdrawal are not common unless you stop cold turkey. You're supposed to use a gradual tapering schedule over some months.
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So you don't know what dosage he was on, or for how long... I don't disagree that Benzos are easily addicted to and dificult to remove from the equation once used for any longer than about 5 days...

Paddock was killed by lead. His use or withdrawls from usage may or not have been a factor in his alleged rampage.
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The medical toxicology report was buried totally and completely, and so were the horrendous contents of Mr. Paddock's laptops....

The official record states that all Paddock required to carry how the massacre, was several bottles of water and his 'medication'.

Valium comes in 2mg, 5mg, and 10mg tablets. I would contend that he was likely on 30-50 mg of the Benzodiazepine when he carried it out.

When someone takes high dosages of Benzos and gets into the wrong head space, taking lives is no issue at all, fun perhaps, even. Fun until Law Enforcement comes knocking on your hotel room and you know that you have no choice but to end your life, or face multiple life sentences and thousands of hours of intensive grilling by LE.

We're not even talking Xanax or Klonopin here, which are both MUCH more potent and also a lot more lethal in terms of ruthless capability.

His 'girlfriend' commented that his manhood didn't work, and that they had virtually no sex life at all... I wonder why? (Read up, it's a sarcastic rhetorical question)
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DarkHorizons, this thread has me interested, please tell more about what you've learned. I do sort of feel like although Paddock's case is interesting, I'd rather hear about what YOU learned. I'm sorry for what you've experienced.
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The only short term antidote is probably alcohol. The key is tapering of the benzos very slowly...or drinking until you can get enough pills to to taper slow enough. It might take months if you were on a high dosage.
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Seizures from withdrawal are not common unless you stop cold turkey. You're supposed to use a gradual tapering schedule over some months.
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The professional methodology for tapering, and what doctors do in the real world, are two completely different things.

Many 'patients' are just sent off onto the street with a physiological Benzo dependency that ends up ending their lives.

Only a very good doctor that cares about you will taper you off correctly under the strictest supervision. When I say correctly, that means going down by 5% increments, not instantly going from 8 mg to 2 mg to no mg, then dead.

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DarkHorizons, this thread has me interested, please tell more about what you've learned. I do sort of feel like although Paddock's case is interesting, I'd rather hear about what YOU learned. I'm sorry for what you've experienced.
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Without going into too many specifics, I've learned that this world is a very dangerous and asymmetrical place, and that in order to bring the natural harmony of humanity and the world back in to sync, we're all going to have to work hand in hand together in an exhaustive manner.

Things like the pharmacology being discussed in this thread, as well as chemistry, physics and other scientific fields needs to be common knowledge. No more secrets.

It's time to end the dark ages for the masses and actually engage in some real enlightenment.
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Benzos latch onto the brain.
Takes a year or more to get them out of the body.
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DarkHorizons, this thread has me interested, please tell more about what you've learned. I do sort of feel like although Paddock's case is interesting, I'd rather hear about what YOU learned. I'm sorry for what you've experienced.
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Without going into too many specifics, I've learned that this world is a very dangerous and asymmetrical place, and that in order to bring the natural harmony of humanity and the world back in to sync, we're all going to have to work hand in hand together in an exhaustive manner.

Things like the pharmacology being discussed in this thread, as well as chemistry, physics and other scientific fields needs to be common knowledge. No more secrets.

It's time to end the dark ages for the masses and actually engage in some real enlightenment.
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Yes, I think you are right.. I've def had concerns that psych drugs were backfiring and causing people great harm.

And that we aren't allowed to discuss these things with our friends and loved ones.

Please go on. I'm really not familiar with these drugs, what diagnoses are they given for? How prevalent are they? Are they often given "for life"?
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Let people suffer crippling anxiety and then provide something that takes it away but then makes people addicted and kills them. Shithole
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I wonder if it is somewhat parallel to the problem of vaccines.

Everyone is so in love with the premise of them! So in love that they ignore the problems with them.
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My money is on the fact that research will demonstrate that anti-depressants are behind the vast majority of mass shootings.
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Yes the effects of coming off this drug is horrible, I was on them for 5 years and went cold turkey 3 years ago. I was off work for two weeks no seizers. My friend had a seizer but was taking a lot more than prescribed per day.

I came off oxytocin's 15-20 yrs ago and it is true the Benzos are just as hard if not worse. Your nerves, sleeplessness can get to you. I used kratom, smoked weed and drank while coming off and it was still miserable.

You mention Paddock, while he was prescribed he had a script refilled once in 6 months, I say that because I don't think that really had anything to do with his behavior.

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So, you have an anxiety disorder, or you've been institutionalized and diagnosed with a disorder that constituted a Benzodiazepine prescription........


So, how do you die? is it like Opioids where you take too much and overdose shutting down your breathing functionality without the aid of an opioid reversal medication like Narcan? quite the contrary.

It's the withdrawal symptoms that kill you when 'they' finally decide to cut you off, that kills you. These specific withdrawal symptoms make Opioid withdrawal look like a cake walk.

Here is the Chronology of your death. Phase 1. - Sleeplessness/Insomnia Phase.2- Auditory and Visual hallucinations, Phase 3. - No appetite and headaches Phase 4. - Psychosis and total withdraw from the world..... and finally Phase 5 - You have a Seizure of the most serious magnitude that ends your life without any warning, and takes the most immediate and serious medical treatment to prevent, far beyond a Narcan intervention.

Stephen Paddock was on very large doses of the Benzodiazepine Valium, which he used to maintain his sociability during his extensive gambling endeavors, in his case, although it didn't kill him, it killed many others.

Benzodiazepines are the most lethal class of drugs in the world, right along the lines of Fentanyl, but the serious damage occurs once you stop taking them, or when a case like Paddock manifests.

For all you men in relationships, it also makes your man hood stop working without additional medications, which is the anti-thesis of what God intended.

Stay away, or die. The Benzos will always double cross you.
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I was addicted to Ativan. 2 years on the stuff. When they cut me off, I had a seizure, thank God not massive. I also hallucinated for weeks. Almost smashed the furniture in order to get wood and board up the windows. I was convinced a zombie horde was down the street.


Marijuana on the other hand was a cake walk to quit. The worst withdrawal was the boredom. No cravings, easy to turn down when offered.
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Seizures from withdrawal are not common unless you stop cold turkey. You're supposed to use a gradual tapering schedule over some months.
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The professional methodology for tapering, and what doctors do in the real world, are two completely different things.

Many 'patients' are just sent off onto the street with a physiological Benzo dependency that ends up ending their lives.

Only a very good doctor that cares about you will taper you off correctly under the strictest supervision. When I say correctly, that means going down by 5% increments, not instantly going from 8 mg to 2 mg to no mg, then dead.
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Fair point, I don't doubt many people have died because they weren't taken off of it properly.