For those who are not christian but believe Jesus existed

Five stars for a very good question.

You didn't think they had actually read the Bible, did you?

All they know about Jesus are the lies they repeat from Zeitgeist.

That's all

Thanks Pooka!

Yeah...it's sad.

Most "Christians" have confused the finger for the moon.

Try this on for size:
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That's chaff. They believe any and every lie they are told because they never search for the truth because they prefer a lie. They're evil, empty people.

It is a rare kernel of humanity that seeks Truth above all.

LAST DAY ON EARTH(THE FLAT SPIRAL GALAXY, mILKY wAY, IS WHEN WE HIT aNDROMEDA AND GO INTO nIRVANA. BY THEN, EVERYONE WHO HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO TECHNOLOGICALLY HELP THEMSELVES WILL HAVE TO RELY ON THE ONES WHO WAIT AND PREDICT WE'LL NEED THEIR HELP.

BY THAT TIME, i SUPPOSE THEY'LL BE HOPING TO JUDGE WHETHER WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

LET'S NOT TRUST THIS, AND FEEL SAFE NOT TRUSTING IT SINCE jESUS INVITED US TO TEST all SPIRITS.

lET'S GET A TECHNOLOGICAL MOVE ON.

There are many great famous people in history and back in like 2018bc or whatever they wrote more books about great people who traveled and had followers and just like the media today people that are famous are focussed on.

Many different storys on jesus too outside the bible like he had 2 kids and died of old age not crusified on a cross.

Natrually more so than not in ancient times tales were made far more ellaborote of who the man actually was.

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Here Is the kicker if The god of the bible is all mercyfull then why was he such a vengeful god in the first testerment? Sure maybe Jesus calmed his father down or something however that still does not exsplane the shit that is allowed to happen over earth.

Even people fully faithful to god nowdays tend to suffer whilst the scum that break the commandments live great lifes walking over people.

Sure humankind was givin freewill and all that however surly a all loveing god would interven in stuff and try and stear mankind on the right course again, Maybe resend Jesus just like bible says his second comeing.

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Another issue though who knows maybe time in Heaven is far slower than time on Earth heck maybe Heaven has no time however why would god wait over 2000 years with a race moveing futher and futher from his teachings?

Sure there are still many Religious folk but majority of them do not follow the 10 commandments to the core and thus they are not worthy, Course I'm not worthy either as I'm judgeing others however way things are heading hardly anyone will be saved and taken to heaven.

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One last thing gods chosen race the Israelies Must be followed and worshiped by all Christians as that is the only way to be saved.

"in like 2018bc or whatever"

I have no doubt that Jesus existed, He's one of the (if not the) most well documented individuals to have ever walked the earth.

Regarding how I view him, I suspect that much of what was attributed to him was similar to a game of telephone considering people told stories of Jesus prior to writing the story down, that allowed for some liberties (the way I view it, specifically with miracles.)

I do also view Jesus as a dude with a lot of good ideas and insight to help us live our lives better and to pay respect for that which we have been lucky enough to receive.

Whether he existed or not, his message was sound. That said, it's a shame it was a naive pipe dream.

If Jesus was real, he didn't understand how this place works (not that anyone can expect the son of God to understand such things. It would be like expecting a person born into lavishness to understand what it's like to grow up broke and impoverished).

This place is not built to become what he or his true followers envision, and it never will. It's built to be exactly what it is, and always has been.

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Looks like you confused 'spiritual man' with 'religious man'... You judge/condemn people on the basis of religion and that's a huge folly... Calling people 'evil' and 'chaff' because they don't identify with your favorite religious text?

And you're supposed to be following the example of the figurehead of your theology who instructed you "Do not condemn others"????

You run around condemning others freely... Doing the opposite of what you were instructed to do... Religious hypocrisy at its finest...

10Even now the axe is laid into the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the garner, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire. - Matthew 3

im not christian, i dont deserve to be called christian, but for me and my personal life, He was best role model, He loved and cared about everyone, He was only one true christian. nowadays christian is just a hashtag. I know He existed and i know it. I dont have to prove it, i just know. i dont believe in christianity, but i believe in Christ. He was preaching love, He was preaching that if you want peace in your heart, you need to find God and you have to stop chasing what world offers you. world offers you many games, but those games never make you happy. Everyone is looking for answers, why we were born on this planet and whats the plan for us. My plan is to be like Jesus and see good in people, see Gods children. And try 2 understand all of them, because everyone's life is unique. And nowadays christianity is political movement, ~2000 years after. people use bible to hide their sins. Its just my opinion based on my life experience.

This is called the "Jesus was a good man" theory, and like many theories, it just doesn't work out. Sorry.

Jesus said....

John 14

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

^^^^^^^^^ Myself and multi-millions of others believe this ^^^^^^^^^

Matthew 7

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

It doesn't get any more straight-forward than this.

No other religion has God's own Son telling us what needs to be done.

I've made my choice.

Will you?

So Jesus, and His Father, were short-sighted and just didn't get it, eh? Thank God that's not correct, but I defend your right to believe it, wishing, of course, that you preferred heaven as your destination, but you will probably be of the "there's no heaven or hell" variety.

The loss is all yours, and you won't believe it until the final judgement. Then suddenly you will remember this conversation and doubtless many other similar conversations, and wish you had another chance.

B...Basic
I...Instructions
B...Before
L...Leaving
E...Earth

I accept that you see us this way, but I can tell you, from my personal perspective, at least, that I am not judging, even if my language seems stronger than I'd like. I earnestly want no-one to perish, and my strongest-held belief is that God is exactly Who He says He is, His Son is, as well, and that we are waiting even now for the End Times, with all the news falling out as it is.

If you believed I would drown if I jumped into a river, would you not try to stop me? Would you not try to prevent me from making a decision that would end my life?

I am doing the same with people who are nonbelievers. I do not wish you to drown, so I am explaining to you that there is a savage river just ahead, and working very hard to keep you from leaping into it.

Jesus the Christ is the only one who could SAVE anyone from having to pay the punishment(s) for their own sins. Thus, as he has said: "I AM the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father [GOD], but by me." (John 14:6). "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5). "Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:10-12).

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believe Iesus Christus existed?

That is documented fact. Less in dispute than such classics as global warming and the theory of evolution.

There is only one historian of any reknown that disagrees, and he is an activist-atheist, hardly an unbiased opinion.

Every argument by atheists against ALWAYS quote that one dude.

Isn't that like asking if you believe Aristotle existed? The documentation for the existence of the man Jesus is far greater. Now... what one's does with it....

Excellent question OP.

You have a true understanding of the greatest values! It doesn't have to be all pretty and wrapped in bows. You stated what matters, what makes the difference between land-based and spirit-based. You said "I dont have to prove it, i just know." That's all you need! You have a very loving heart, which reflects Jesus beautifully!

The meaning of Christian is one who believes in Christ - you have stated in wonderful language that you absolutely believe in Christ Jesus, so yes, you are a Christian- because you live the definition!

I do not wish to see Christianity as a political movement, and had not even thought about that until reading your post. Yes,you are correct to some extent today. All this misery between Democrats and Republicans and the word Christian is bandied back and forth as though Christian is a political party. This is NOT a good thing at all, and I hope we get beyond it very quickly.

Thank you for your post - you touched my heart with your beautiful and perfect faith!



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Pooka what do you mean see 'us'? I'm reacting to individuals and their individualized behavior, I'm not reacting to any generalized groups/demographics... I don't view you by your religious affiliation, I view you as a soul (eternal conscious energy) having a temporary human experience... You view me on the basis of your religious affiliation because you brand/designate me as a 'non-believer'... I don't agree with doing this, not in the name of any religion... I don't agree with doing this on the basis of principle... But you are of course entitled to separate/divide people in this manner.

And if we're really being honest,the example of saving someone from visible physical danger that is a threat to their physical well-being - in no way can you compare this to any religious doctrine from any religion claiming that something terrible will happen to you if you don't believe that religion. Claims which require that you must have 'faith' that they are true/valid. You can't verify or test those claims because there is no evidence that you can present. If you don't follow what I'm saying, if Hindus told you that something horrible will happen to you if you die without identifying with Hinduism, are you going to accept their claims? If you tell them that they're wrong, and they say "prove it" - how are you going to accomplish that? You can't prove something wrong for which their is no evidence... Doing this to people is the same regardless of what theology it is done in the name of!

Why would you question whether or not I would try to help someone who was thinking about ending their life? The truth is I have reached out to individuals in the past who expressed suicidal thoughts. Why would any religious affiliation or lack thereof have any pertinence when we are talking about basic empathy and care/concern?

No one is drowning in reality, Pooka... That you think someone is 'drowning' because they don't claim affiliation with one religion/theology among 100+ religions - that is the issue here. That is an unhealthy belief to hold onto and influences you to create division where no such division actually exists. You do not consider yourself in danger of 'drowning' for not identifying with those other 100+ theologies - why is it that you expect other people to consider themselves 'drowning' for not identifying with yours? You expect other people to have a reaction that you yourself would not exhibit had adherents of other religions made similar claims to you. That's not being fair - that's playing favorites.... I cannot agree with any such practice.

"knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, 'Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.' For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2nd Peter 3:3-9





Best 'o luck... pal.

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