For those who are not christian but believe Jesus existed

No. He's the most holy guy preaching God's word.
There hasn't been another since.

Most likely an alien hybrid born through in vitro fertilization. That's the only logical explanation why Mary got pregnant unless she wasn't a virgin.

So if sh wasn't a virgin someone Lying. Either she is or the writers of the scripture.

If she isn't kying, then the writers of scripture are being deceitful. A virgin woman doesn't get pregnant because an invisible entity (God) decides you are now pregnant.

Regardless I believe Jesus is genuine as portrayed in the Bible. But i don't believe the writers actually say who he really is and where exactly he came from.

I believe he is The chosen soul sent from a higher realm by being/s that have a more advanced consiousness compared to compared to our primative consiouness.

And what did we do?
Our primative monkey/pig hybrid asses killed him.

Drowning was a poor analogy but the only thing that came to mind on the spur.

I absolutely defend your right to believe as you choose. I simply want to offer you what I have, which is an assurance of eternal life to come. I accept that you do not understand or see that eternal life in Heaven as logical or possible.

If you were a guest in my home, I would want to offer you the very best I have. It might be sumptuous, or it might be very poor, but it would be the best I have. In a similar vein, I offer you the very best spiritual information I have. I do not insist you take it - but I want to be sure I offer it.

I think you are a very nice person, very thoughtful and perceptive, and will make the very best decisions you can.

If you don't believe in the divinity of y'shua, you at least have to consider that he was devout to the extreme.
What was right and clean to him he did. He sought to do "always those things that please God".

I myself am not so much on the eastern aspects of "all tolerance agape love".
Of course I love you and think you're a fine specimen of a countryman, just don't make me split you with my claymore being a fool.

So what do I think of him? He followed after his passion for the God.
My life has been holy men, sages, drs and goomers. Hillbillies too. I think the Godspell is strong stuff and known many monks who wore no habit nor said his name. They fkd off everything to be what they thought the God wrote them for.

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First research what that name means and where it comes from.

Jesus is not a person but an experience
That none of you here seem to have experienced.

I feel sorry for you but then again you are just a flock
Stoka as we would say lol
Stock lol

James Allen? The philosopher?

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." Colossians 2:8

"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" 1st Corinthians 6:2

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. But fools despise wisdom and instruction." Proverbs 1:7



Beware the wiles of anyone calling themself "Wolf".

Experienced like you have? Some clown with a foul demonic spirit?

Ohhh... And you feel sorry for us? How comforting.

People like you are truly in the deepest shit there is.

You think your life is any different?

God cannot lie, and God caused His Holy Spirit to impregnate Mary without relations. Your in vitro alien hybrid thing is bothersome. If you believe that technology existed at that time, I am impressed.

You have every right to believe as you choose. We Christians simply carry the message. If you do not accept it, then perhaps someone else will water the seed we planted, or perhaps not. We only carry the message.

Yes ,like I have.Exactly
And the people who wrote the scriptures (the essenes) you probably never heard of them because you are,well... stoka(flock)

Demon ? What is demonos in Greek?
I'm sure stoka Like yourself has never heard of Pliny the elder eather.

People like me might be assholes but I think I'm a kind decent person overall with knowledge you don't have.Because you choose to be stoka :)

Nocty, I've seen you do this before. In fact I believe you redded me in one thread. I have to ask - why do you enter Christian threads to throw shade? What in you compels you to enter where you already know the subject, and disagree with the subject, coming only to say unpleasant things?

If you have had what you call a "Jesus experience" I assume that is a great thing for you and I'm happy for you.

Calling names - interesting. Sorry you joined here - your purpose is only negative.

"For those who are not christian but believe Jesus existed"
its not christian thread.

When my people were true Christian's America still didn't exist my friend
I have a stake in this .I have mentioned names in my negative rant that if researched could lead to positive outcomes or at least a broadens perspective.Who is Pliny the elder? Who are the Essenes? What does Jesus mean in Sumerian? What does Peter mean in Arabic/Hebrew? What is an incantation? What is a seedless insimination?
We have to be grown up first
And with grown ups I talk like I talk to you.In my world no one has risen from the dead.In my world leopards eat gazzelles and a hidden hand dictates and rules while you clutch your Jesus and go along with the plan pacified and confused...There is nothing here! no one will save you except yourself.they don't fucking wait for Jesus in France right now.They take their shit in to their own hands.

It was this way for thousands maybe million of years. What did french people get? fake freedom? they cant live without food, water, heat etc. and it all belongs to government. Who is going to be next "napoleon" in france?
You will get your cheaper gas and still work for big machine. You are still going to pay your taxes and work on jobs you never like. enjoy freedom

Mary is an incantation for the very soil you walk.Your earth...no one killed him! But many have been killed and are continued to be killed today.Hollistic doctors.The essenes were the hollistic doctors of their time.And had to write in code so only the initiates understand it.
You try and explain how you made that man's gloucoma and catarects dissapear over night without being called a witch and nailed to the stake.Go ahead..research what happens to holistic doctors today...on this very forum you have many topics about it.You think life is a fucking fary tale?

Noted and appreciate the acknowledgement.



Thank you... If we respect and value our own individual right to formulate our own ideas/beliefs about reality and our existence - then we must also respect and value the right of other individuals to do the same in their own lives (and on their own accord).

The only time it really comes into question is when we perceive that someone is attempting to convince (or indoctrinate) others with ideas that we perceive to be harmful or detrimental. Example (a hypothetical one), someone has the right to hold the belief that if they die without believing the claims of scientology - that they'll be punished/condemned forever and ever as a consequence. They have that right - no one can tell them that they don't have the right to think this about themselves and their own (future) experience. But do they have the right to attempt to indoctrinate the minds of children or other susceptible adults and attempt to psychologically influence (manipulate) them into believing that if they should die without believing the claims of scientology they will experience the same claimed fate? NO, of course not... We would find any such behavior harmful and unethical... But it must be the underlying principle that we find unethical - or else we'd be guilty again of playing favorites... We'd be saying it's okay to treat people this way and plant untestable/unverifiable fear-based thoughts and threats in their mind in an effort to obtain ideological compliance and get them to think/believe as we do - just as long as we do it in the name of the 'right' ideology. Well every adherent of every religion believes they've found the 'right' ideology...



Pooka, you are unfortunately (again) assuming things about me without even knowing the truth of the matter. Did you ask me if I believe in an afterlife experience? Did you ask me my thoughts on 'eternal life'? Did I write anything (anywhere on the forum) about the notion of eternal life (existence) or an afterlife environment as being illogical or impossible? (I haven't done those things, and look at the nature of the video in my signature). What I suspect is happening here (and do correct me if I'm wrong) is that since you designated me as a 'non-believer' in your mind - you are then reacting to a very generalized mental assocation that you have with the notion of 'non-believer' and therefore are inclined to assume that I would hold such perspectives...

The notion of 'eternal' is misrepresented in numerous instances of the bible because of English mistranslations of Greek/Hebrew terms which did not carry that meaning in various contexts within the Greek language. There are scholarly papers on this that speak at great length about how the ancient Greeks used certain terminology in their language. The actual concept of 'Eternity' is supposed to represent the notion of there being no beginning & no end, perpetual existence. Nothing which can be said not to exist at one particular point, and then it starts or begins or comes into existence at another point - it cannot be described as 'eternal'. Anything which can not be present or said not to exist at any point - it can never be correctly classified as 'eternal'. Why? Because it violates the very foundation of what the concept was intended to signify & represent.

I'll illustrate this using familiar reference points. People say that 'God' had no beginning and will have no end, they say that 'God' has always existed, and will always exist, they say that there was never a time when 'God' did not exist. Therefore, they refer to 'God' as 'eternal'. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the application of this concept/term in this context. But then people will take the very same term/concept (eternal), and apply it to something (eternal life) which they claim does not exist presently, but 'eternal life' will only begin/start or come into existence after they die. Do you see the error in how this term/concept is applied? In one context it's (correctly) being applied to something which has no beginning point and has always existed - and then in the other (incorrect) context, it's being applied to something which doesn't exist presently, but will later come into existence and then exist perpetually. It's a clear violation of the principle behind the concept.

If 'eternal life' is valid, then it's valid/true RIGHT NOW and will always be true and there can never be any time when it's not true and present... If we want to create a new concept about things which don't exist and then later come into existence and never stop existing - we need to invent a new term/concept to use because the existing concept of eternal/eternity is not compatible with any such notion.



Can I respectfully ask if you were planning on inquiring about what 'spiritual information' I may have to offer you? Did you even allow for that possibility in your mind? Or are you operating from a mindset that is more or less a one way street?

And I enjoy interacting and connecting with people in person. I would gladly be a guest in your home - but maybe not if you had recycled church pews for living room furniture (terrible on your back!)

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Well thank you for saying that, you come across as a nice person as well and someone who doesn't hesitate to speak what's on their mind (which I can respect because I'm the same way).

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There is a story in the Bible where Jesus says to a woman he who drinks from his own cist will never be thirsty unlike from this well.What does that mean?
Drink from your own cist?
I will send whoever answers this a hundred bucks lol

But if you read the Bible and Romans it says that you should trust government because the people who are in it are put there by God lol.Otherwise they wouldn't be in it lol.Romans again lol
In the same book as the great pacifist.

We used to say for the byicle handles a guvernala and Mente for mental

Mind-control

Cistern.

Meaning Jesus offers the Water of Life. Not going to argue with you. Think what you will. And no, thanks, on the money.

Ouch on the church pews!! No, not a one! I only do soft furniture, and Martin Luther figured out that we do not have to do painful penance, so that should have reformed the furniture even in old churches! LOL I believe those hard wood pews were an economical measure. Of course some pastors may have required them to keep his congregation awake enough to listen. Just speculation, mind you.

Yes, I would be happy to read anything you would wish to share about your spiritual beliefs and experiences. I would only add as a caveat that I am quite tired, and thus may not focus as much or as long as would wish, so please accept my apology in advance, if it turns out to be needed.

Would anyone in here care to own up to the initials HJ?

What water of life? It clearly says "your own cist" not Jesuses!

It's not arguing if you don't know and I know.Im not born knowing this.I had to find out on my own.

the bacchanal of the andrians(Google image) that tells you what was ment by that

You could be looking at it for 5 days and not know what it represents.But those with eyes and life experience will tell you what it is.

So you ask a question while being certain you already have the answer, and wish to give your answer in a manner meant to demean and insult. You are not a very nice person. I really would not care to chat with you again. Never having put someone on the ignore list, I may make you the first.

I gave you all the answers
When I said you it ment more figuratively and generally not per say "you"

You have all the key words and ingredients to seek for yourself.You have the internet just like I do.Im not nice ,you're right of course.I am just necessary :)
But then again niceness will get you killed.Like the guy who went to the sentinel island to preach lol.You think those Islanders need Jesus in their life? Or are they fine just as they are for 55 000 years now?

Interesting that you would say you are not nice, but that you are necessary, as though you have been given a mission. I almost touched the ignore space, and decided to ask you first why you believe you are necessary, in the application we are discussing.

Because someone who doesn't comment might pick up on it and start digging a little bit on his own with some key word searches .They might even pick up Allegros book that was banned.Sacred mushroom and the cross.But it still isn't as sweet as finding on your own spurred by intuition.That was precisely the essene way to initiate one.No words can describe it You must see and experience it for yourself.Simple as that.its more enchanting that way.
Put me on ignore .I could give a shit...

John 2:27
Another of many clues

Thank you for explaining your position on this.

Interesting thought. They are free from all agenda and dont want anybody 2 destroy their culture. I think all Jesus wants is 2 respect everyone's life and their opinion, accept enemies and help your neighbor. your life shows who you are, not your words. Those people are happy, because the are independent, they dont pay taxes and they are still alive without "pharmacy", politics and other nonsense.

The Buddhists have texts that describe St.Issas teachings 2000 yrs ago ( Do you believe the Buddhist monks or Catholic / Jews regarding this ?). Go on u tube and just type "Jesus in India" They say Nicholas Notovich was a faker and yes, I believe he embellished his book with some fantasy regarding his travels, but the part of Jesus, I think was real.


During the benediction at the Inauguration of Barack Obama, Reverend Rick Warren referred to Jesus at one point by the name Issa.

Never heard Jesus called Saint Issa? It’s how they refer to him in the Muslim and Hindu worlds, and even the Buddhists are said to conceal a very ancient manuscript in a monastery high in the Himalayas called “The Life of Saint Issa, the Best of the Sons of Men.” The story of the existence of that manuscript, that fills in the missing years of Christ and describes his travels as a young man in India — and even has Jesus exhorting the Hindus to stop worshiping idols and give up the caste system — has been resoundingly debunked in much of the Christian world for nearly a century.

If Jesus were alive today,he would be posting on GLP for sure and the MSM would be calling him a Conspiracy Theorist / Right Wing nut.


Here is a free librivox recording of "The Lost Years of Jesus"

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Interesting point, because nobody knows about His life before 30. There is only one story about Him when He was a kid. I dont think He was average human, He was Son of God. Maybe catholic church is hiding truth from us. Maybe He traveled. Maybe one day we are going to find truth.