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Here's how we could have won the Vietnam war

 
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Here's how we could have won the Vietnam war
Instead of sending troops to just defend South Vietnam, we should have sent in a whole invasion force to take over North Vietnam. Like what we did in the Korean war. Then as soon as we overthrow the government in North Vietnam, we should have handed control of it over to the South and then immediately left the area. I know many were opposed to the war, but since we entered it, we should have been in it to win and have a winning strategy beforehand.
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If we had backed the Vietnam for independence from France like they asked us to the war never would have happened and the results would be the same except they wouldn't have become communist and a lot of them and us wouldn't have died.

On the plus side, the military industrial complex and bankers and C.I.A. made a lot of money.

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Same as I always said about WW2. We should have immediately sent every available plane, tank, bomb, ship, man and everything else we had to completely flatten Berlin in the first few weeks instead of fighting German frontline troops all over Europe & North Africa & everywhere else for years.
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Op did you know their Constitution was an exact copy of the US Constitution??


Do you know we invaded them to protect French Rubber plantations for the Michelin family??

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By letting the generals fight the war , not the politicians.
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Op did you know their Constitution was an exact copy of the US Constitution??


Do you know we invaded them to protect French Rubber plantations for the Michelin tire family??
 Quoting: jake


Do you know they turned to communist china because

American leaders refused to loan them money and help them

out of poverty??

Do you know the leader of Vietnam begged the US Congress

for help because his entire population was starving to death

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Same as I always said about WW2. We should have immediately sent every available plane, tank, bomb, ship, man and everything else we had to completely flatten Berlin in the first few weeks instead of fighting German frontline troops all over Europe & North Africa & everywhere else for years.
 Quoting: Urban Mythbuster


When WW2 started the US didn't even have a army, we were ranked at 17 behind Serbia.

We went to Africa basically as training to figure out how to fight.

WW2 was won because the civilian population was targeted to be destroyed.

After WW2 that didn't happen on such a scale.

That's why wars last for decades now.
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Op did you know their Constitution was an exact copy of the US Constitution??


Do you know we invaded them to protect French Rubber plantations for the Michelin family??
 Quoting: jake


But wasn't North Vietnam communist? How does that relate to our Constitution at all?
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Same as I always said about WW2. We should have immediately sent every available plane, tank, bomb, ship, man and everything else we had to completely flatten Berlin in the first few weeks instead of fighting German frontline troops all over Europe & North Africa & everywhere else for years.
 Quoting: Urban Mythbuster


When WW2 started the US didn't even have a army, we were ranked at 17 behind Serbia.

We went to Africa basically as training to figure out how to fight.

WW2 was won because the civilian population was targeted to be destroyed.

After WW2 that didn't happen on such a scale.

That's why wars last for decades now.
 Quoting: Beast


Yeah but I'm English chuckle
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Op did you know their Constitution was an exact copy of the US Constitution??


Do you know we invaded them to protect French Rubber plantations for the Michelin family??
 Quoting: jake


But wasn't North Vietnam communist? How does that relate to our Constitution at all?
 Quoting: Fight The Power



No they had our constitution.. but tore it up and

turned to china because american leaders refused to

invest in them.


Our problem isn't our enemies, its our stupid leaders.

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Op did you know their Constitution was an exact copy of the US Constitution??


Do you know we invaded them to protect French Rubber plantations for the Michelin family??
 Quoting: jake


But wasn't North Vietnam communist? How does that relate to our Constitution at all?
 Quoting: Fight The Power


They weren't communist until America refused to let them be a independent country after the Japs left. The French thought they could move right back in and take over.

The US refused to help them so they turned to China and Russia.
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I don't think you were ever meant to win. Were you? Wealthy people became a lot wealthier in that war.

Kennedy wanted out. He got wasted.
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Op did you know their Constitution was an exact copy of the US Constitution??


Do you know we invaded them to protect French Rubber plantations for the Michelin family??
 Quoting: jake


But wasn't North Vietnam communist? How does that relate to our Constitution at all?
 Quoting: Fight The Power


They weren't communist until America refused to let them be a independent country after the Japs left. The French thought they could move right back in and take over.

The US refused to help them so they turned to China and Russia.
 Quoting: Beast


hesright Plane and simple, nobody had to die


French and American leaders fucked up.


The question is???? did they fuck up on purpose????
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Op did you know their Constitution was an exact copy of the US Constitution??


Do you know we invaded them to protect French Rubber plantations for the Michelin family??
 Quoting: jake


But wasn't North Vietnam communist? How does that relate to our Constitution at all?
 Quoting: Fight The Power



No they had our constitution.. but tore it up and

turned to china because american leaders refused to

invest in them.


Our problem isn't our enemies, its our stupid leaders.
 Quoting: jake


As one president said, "The business of America is business".

The rich have been running this countries political policies for over a hundred years.
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shitty world we live in
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Same as I always said about WW2. We should have immediately sent every available plane, tank, bomb, ship, man and everything else we had to completely flatten Berlin in the first few weeks instead of fighting German frontline troops all over Europe & North Africa & everywhere else for years.
 Quoting: Urban Mythbuster


When WW2 started the US didn't even have a army, we were ranked at 17 behind Serbia.

We went to Africa basically as training to figure out how to fight.

WW2 was won because the civilian population was targeted to be destroyed.

After WW2 that didn't happen on such a scale.

That's why wars last for decades now.
 Quoting: Beast


Yeah but I'm English chuckle
 Quoting: Urban Mythbuster


During WW2 the English had a policy to bomb civilian targets hoping that they would lose the resolve to fight.

Every country involved in WW2 is guilty of war crimes.

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shitty world we live in
 Quoting: jake


That would be a truism and I fear it will only get worse.
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shitty world we live in
 Quoting: jake


That would be a truism and I fear it will only get worse.
 Quoting: Beast


Obvious is Obvious!

Example, lack of knowledge like the author of this thread

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Op did you know their Constitution was an exact copy of the US Constitution??


Do you know we invaded them to protect French Rubber plantations for the Michelin family??
 Quoting: jake


But wasn't North Vietnam communist? How does that relate to our Constitution at all?
 Quoting: Fight The Power



No they had our constitution.. but tore it up and

turned to china because american leaders refused to

invest in them.


Our problem isn't our enemies, its our stupid leaders.
 Quoting: jake


I think it's safe to say that our enemies are a result of our past stupid leaders. It explains the creation of ISIS and the rapid rise of communist China.
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Op did you know their Constitution was an exact copy of the US Constitution??


Do you know we invaded them to protect French Rubber plantations for the Michelin family??
 Quoting: jake


But wasn't North Vietnam communist? How does that relate to our Constitution at all?
 Quoting: Fight The Power



No they had our constitution.. but tore it up and

turned to china because american leaders refused to

invest in them.


Our problem isn't our enemies, its our stupid leaders.
 Quoting: jake


I think it's safe to say that our enemies are a result of our past stupid leaders. It explains the creation of ISIS and the rapid rise of communist China.
 Quoting: Fight The Power



yup
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funny thing is, you can break shit so bad

it can never be fixed!
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funny thing is, you can break shit so bad

it can never be fixed!
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So now you are talking about South Africa.
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I'll throw this out in here.

Did you know that executives from Ford went to Russia to run their vehicle plants?

They kinda had to since Stalin killed anyone that had more than three brain cells.

They also worked there after WW2.

My thought is that Russia and the US agreed to be war rivals after WW2 so in both countries the people wouldn't mind if the money they worked for went to the military industrial complex because of the terrible enemy that they needed to be safe from.

It's all their game.
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I was standing in the Company Orderly Room with our First Sargent, a Cajun from Alexandria, Louisiana, in 1977.

Suddenly, Top said, "Dey's no reason to lose dat gotdam Viet Nam war".

So I innocently asked, "Well, Top, how could we have won the war?"

He replied, "All you need is ten Cajun with 12 gauge shotguns".

I was incredulous, "Top, you think ten Cajuns could have won the war?"

"Yah", he said, "All you gotta do is tell dem Cajuns tree tings about dem Viet Cong....

Numbah Won...dey outa season

Numbah Two...dey's a limit o two

and tree... dey go real good in gumbo".

Wish I could duplicate his accent. Gotta love those Cajuns.
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I was standing in the Company Orderly Room with our First Sargent, a Cajun from Alexandria, Louisiana, in 1977.

Suddenly, Top said, "Dey's no reason to lose dat gotdam Viet Nam war".

So I innocently asked, "Well, Top, how could we have won the war?"

He replied, "All you need is ten Cajun with 12 gauge shotguns".

I was incredulous, "Top, you think ten Cajuns could have won the war?"

"Yah", he said, "All you gotta do is tell dem Cajuns tree tings about dem Viet Cong....

Numbah Won...dey outa season

Numbah Two...dey's a limit o two

and tree... dey go real good in gumbo".

Wish I could duplicate his accent. Gotta love those Cajuns.
 Quoting: darth


LMAO, I wish I could remember the name of the movie but it was a war game played out in Cajun country and they fucked with the Cajuns, bad mistake.

LMAO, found it.



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The North Vietnamese went to talks with the US to Surrender. A certain individual named john kerry also went and met the North Vietnamese and convinced them that even though they could not achieve a Military victory that Political Victory could give them a victory. He persuaded them that by funding anti war demonstrations on college campuses and civil unrest and simultaneously increasing body counts they could turn Public Opinion in America and force the US to concede and pull out. He just happened t have an Anti War Group they could fund. It was after this that the NVA launched the TET Offensive bringing MASSIVE casualties as Anti War Protests and Anti War Violence with rabid brainwashed SJWs from college campuses spitting on returning soldiers and screaming BABY KILLER.
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I don't think you were ever meant to win. Were you? Wealthy people became a lot wealthier in that war.

Kennedy wanted out. He got wasted.
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I don't think you were ever meant to win. Were you? Wealthy people became a lot wealthier in that war.

Kennedy wanted out. He got wasted.
 Quoting: J6


:htgfrdes:
 Quoting: eraser-head


LBJ's wife (ladybird)'s father owned the shipping company that brought all the supplies for the war and they also profited on all goods loaded on the ships.

LBJ's family and their friends made a fortune while the war dragged on and on and on...
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Instead of sending troops to just defend South Vietnam, we should have sent in a whole invasion force to take over North Vietnam. Like what we did in the Korean war. Then as soon as we overthrow the government in North Vietnam, we should have handed control of it over to the South and then immediately left the area. I know many were opposed to the war, but since we entered it, we should have been in it to win and have a winning strategy beforehand.
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If we had done that, the Chinese would’ve sent hundreds of thousands of troops over the border into North Vietnam, just as they did in Korea when they drove us back to the demarcation line.

That’s why we were hesitant and selective about even aerial bombardment of Hanoi. That is until the only way to force the North to the Paris peace table was to bomb the hell out of Hanoi and Haiphong Harbor in December 1972.
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1940s,
when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive damn project near Austin. The company's founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman.

After Johnson took over the Oval Office, Brown & Root won contracts for
huge construction projects for the federal government. By the mid-1960s,
newspaper columnists and the Republican minority in Congress began to suggest that the company's good luck was tied to its sizable contributions to Johnson's political campaign.

More questions were raised when a consortium of which Brown & Root was a part won a $380 million contract to build airports, bases, hospitals and other facilities for the U.S. Navy in South Vietnam. By 1967, the General Accounting Office had faulted the "Vietnam builders" -- as they were known -- for massive accounting lapses and allowing thefts of materials.

Brown & Root also became a target for anti-war protesters: they called the
firm the embodiment of the "military-industrial complex" and denounced it for building detention cells to hold Viet Cong prisoners in South Vietnam.

Today, Brown & Root is called Kellogg, Brown & Root -- a Halliburton
subsidiary better known as KBR.


The Brown brothers gave a lot of money to Johnson as he sought office
through the years. Also, Lady Bird Johnson owned stock in it.
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1940s,
when a Texas firm called Brown & Root constructed a massive damn project near Austin. The company's founders, Herman and George Brown, won the contract to build Mansfield Dam thanks to the efforts of Johnson, who was then a Texas congressman.

After Johnson took over the Oval Office, Brown & Root won contracts for
huge construction projects for the federal government. By the mid-1960s,
newspaper columnists and the Republican minority in Congress began to suggest that the company's good luck was tied to its sizable contributions to Johnson's political campaign.

More questions were raised when a consortium of which Brown & Root was a part won a $380 million contract to build airports, bases, hospitals and other facilities for the U.S. Navy in South Vietnam. By 1967, the General Accounting Office had faulted the "Vietnam builders" -- as they were known -- for massive accounting lapses and allowing thefts of materials.

Brown & Root also became a target for anti-war protesters: they called the
firm the embodiment of the "military-industrial complex" and denounced it for building detention cells to hold Viet Cong prisoners in South Vietnam.

Today, Brown & Root is called Kellogg, Brown & Root -- a Halliburton
subsidiary better known as KBR.


The Brown brothers gave a lot of money to Johnson as he sought office
through the years. Also, Lady Bird Johnson owned stock in it.
 Quoting: eraser-head

^Great info!
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