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UPDATES: UK govt loses third vote on rotten Brexit deal, motion of no confidence looming? (pg. 71)-UK Government on verge of collapse

 
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Question for UK glpers. I dont see where EU has a choice. If Britain wants to leave the EU, what is the council to do? Go to war? How is it that Theresa May doesnt just say, "ok we are out of here and this is the concessions you will get"? Obviously I know there is external pressure. But between trade with non EU allies, especially the US, it seems Britain could stand independently anyway. Is that too unnerving to consider for the government?
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


Lol no, the number 1 economic partner of UK is Europe

UK has no bargaining power and it was stupid to even think they ever did.

They can quit unilaterally all they want but they can't beg to remain in the EU market at the same time
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Well yes I agree, as far as I know the details of this. There was talk of strengthening the US - UK trade relationship, and I don't think Trump was opposed to it because he prefers bilateral agreements.

Maybe May just hates Trump and the Trump movement and doesn't want UK to be associated with it. But I think most of the people who voted for Brexit expected something like this: really exit, trade with EU on WTO terms.

I don't remember the government saying "don't worry, if you vote for Brexit, we won't really do it anyway and we'll spend 2 years giving away $billions to avoid a real exit."
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I remember going back some time now, forget what position

Theresa May held, anyway there was a file made for the

Government of all top paedophiles within the UK top brass,

guess who lost the file?................

Our dear Prime Minister Theresa May, so that should point

you to a grand conclusion.
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Now is a good time for England to tell the EU to get fucked. Revolution 2.0 is going down in France right now and the timing is perfect.
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May to address Parliament shortly:







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WTF is May wearing round her neck?

And her wrist?

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Cannabis destroys the heart and vascular system, dangerously lowers blood pressure and causes psychosis and paranoia

Gemma Moss, 31, becomes first woman in Britain to DIE from cannabis poisoning

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5a 5a 5a 5a 5a 5a 5a 5a 5a 5a 5a 5a

it's happening
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Question for UK glpers. I dont see where EU has a choice. If Britain wants to leave the EU, what is the council to do? Go to war? How is it that Theresa May doesnt just say, "ok we are out of here and this is the concessions you will get"? Obviously I know there is external pressure. But between trade with non EU allies, especially the US, it seems Britain could stand independently anyway. Is that too unnerving to consider for the government?
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


Lol no, the number 1 economic partner of UK is Europe

UK has no bargaining power and it was stupid to even think they ever did.

They can quit unilaterally all they want but they can't beg to remain in the EU market at the same time
 Quoting: Armitage Ranjit Dakkar


Well yes I agree, as far as I know the details of this. There was talk of strengthening the US - UK trade relationship, and I don't think Trump was opposed to it because he prefers bilateral agreements.

Maybe May just hates Trump and the Trump movement and doesn't want UK to be associated with it. But I think most of the people who voted for Brexit expected something like this: really exit, trade with EU on WTO terms.

I don't remember the government saying "don't worry, if you vote for Brexit, we won't really do it anyway and we'll spend 2 years giving away $billions to avoid a real exit."
 Quoting: oniongrass


Also, May's rotten deal stops us from striking trade deals with countries around the world.

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Question for UK glpers. I dont see where EU has a choice. If Britain wants to leave the EU, what is the council to do? Go to war? How is it that Theresa May doesnt just say, "ok we are out of here and this is the concessions you will get"? Obviously I know there is external pressure. But between trade with non EU allies, especially the US, it seems Britain could stand independently anyway. Is that too unnerving to consider for the government?
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


The UK could just leave, but that would mean there would be no tariff free trade deal between the UK and EU for the time being. That's why we've seen months/years of negotiations, which has now seen the UK capitulate on many other areas beside trade... but in return the EU hasn't even agreed to a trade deal yet only the "promise of one in the future". chuckle

UK conducts more than 90% of its global trade on WTO terms, so it perhaps wouldn't be as disastrous as many have threatened if the UK left the EU with no trade deal. EU exports a lot to the UK so it's in their interests to see a tariff free trade deal, the only difference is treasonous Theresa May blinked first and caved to virtually all the EU demands.
 Quoting: NewGeneration2019


This.....
The “Deal” is basically a “ you can leave, but not really” deal, that the next liberal gov can easily throw out.
It was designed that way.

From my side of the pond, I think the only future for the UK is a hard Brexit, and an immediate gov change. Otherwise you are still just slaves to German and French Bankers.
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The British Pound dropping rapidly

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Theresa May should have held her nerve. But because she's a remainer at heart she couldn't. She has no real conviction to get Britain out of Europe. This is why she settled for a bad deal. Her Government deserves to collapse for not putting the interests of Britain first.
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Can a euro please explain to me why you are being forced into the EU and why it's OK?
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it's all contrived drama - to dissuade other Nations in the EU from bailing out - actually the only ones still supporting the EU are Germany,Belgim (of course) and the Scandinavian zombies - the French just woke up

the UK will have plenty of trading partners when the dust settles, and we will always be their biggest supporters
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John Bercow, Speaker of the House of Commons has asked parliament that vote should take place given repeated assurances by Ministers to UK public. Looking grim for #TheresaMay.

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Lets hope the only vote they make is a VOTE OF NO

CONFIDENCE. Kick Theresa out, and install somebody with a

set of balls.

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EU is toast... no UK the whole thing collapses
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Do I even want to see what the British pound is doing in the currency exchange today or will I end up jumping off a building?

Edit: I looked. It aint pretty.
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We must be the laughing stock of the world.
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Between UK and US it is a tie
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blahblah5

and nobody gives 2 shits about Belgium except Belgians.
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Can a euro please explain to me why you are being forced into the EU and why it's OK?
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if they don't.... here goes

all the little bitty nations of Europe decided a long time ago to tie their currencies together, the so-called

Waehrungsschlange or Currency Snake

this was to tie currencies together to supposedly make it easier, more predictable, to trade with each other inside what was the Common Market at the time.


Slowly, the national currencies and governments gave up more and more autonomy.

the German Mark was killed in favor of the Euro, for example.
one currency made the states of Europe feel united.

and so this is their Civil War.

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England wants to secede from the Union.

and they do not want the European Union breaking down.
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Can a euro please explain to me why you are being forced into the EU and why it's OK?
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if they don't.... here goes

all the little bitty nations of Europe decided a long time ago to tie their currencies together, the so-called

Waehrungsschlange or Currency Snake

this was to tie currencies together to supposedly make it easier, more predictable, to trade with each other inside what was the Common Market at the time.


Slowly, the national currencies and governments gave up more and more autonomy.

the German Mark was killed in favor of the Euro, for example.
one currency made the states of Europe feel united.

and so this is their Civil War.

battleflag

England wants to secede from the Union.

and they do not want the European Union breaking down.
 Quoting: beeches


Luckily we kept our pound!

Empires Rise and Fall - Roman; Greek etc. Hopefully the EU is about to collapse too.
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Question for UK glpers. I dont see where EU has a choice. If Britain wants to leave the EU, what is the council to do? Go to war? How is it that Theresa May doesnt just say, "ok we are out of here and this is the concessions you will get"? Obviously I know there is external pressure. But between trade with non EU allies, especially the US, it seems Britain could stand independently anyway. Is that too unnerving to consider for the government?
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


I maybe wrong, it's not about the trade, but more about the fear of losing London's financial Institutions to another European City.
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Theresa May = UK's Hillary
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Or politically closer to a female version of John McCain. Not totally a liberal/libtard, but enough of one to be willfully naive, casually dishonest and calculatingly "I feel your pain" on enough occasions to be an idiot.



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Brexit: Theresa May is to call-off Tuesday's crucial vote on her Brexit deal in the face of what was expected to be a significant defeat by Tory rebels.

Government sources have said the prime minister is set to tell MPs about the delay in a statement at 15:30 GMT.

Downing Street had been insisting the vote would go ahead.(for several weeks)

The pound fell sharply in response, shedding 0.5% versus the US dollar to stand at $1.26. Against the euro, the pound was 0.8% down at 1.10 euros.

Mrs May's Commons statement will be followed by a statement from Commons leader Andrea Leadsom - and then a statement from the Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay on Article 50 - the legal mechanism taking the UK out of the EU on 29 March.

The deal has been agreed with the EU - but it needs to be backed by the UK Parliament if it is to become law ahead of the UK's departure.

Mrs May is thought to be trying to convince MPs to back her deal by suggesting the Northern Ireland backstop - the main item they object to - could be modified.

But European Commission spokeswoman Mina Andreeva said the EU would not renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement.

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No offense meant, but why is this urgent?
I wouldn’t trust your prime minister to open a jar.
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Question for UK glpers. I dont see where EU has a choice. If Britain wants to leave the EU, what is the council to do? Go to war? How is it that Theresa May doesnt just say, "ok we are out of here and this is the concessions you will get"? Obviously I know there is external pressure. But between trade with non EU allies, especially the US, it seems Britain could stand independently anyway. Is that too unnerving to consider for the government?
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It's an absolute shit show at the moment, but I think TM had no other choice, remember; She who chicken's out and runs away, lives to fight another day!
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remember what happened to the LAST prime minister / leader who acted like a fucking dictator OVER PARLIAMENT?

least i agree with nicola sturgeon in her saying she's acted in a "pathetic cowardice"

the whole is isn't collapsing ..... it's IMPLODING all around us, far far worse when thatcher signed this union into maastricht

AND THIS WILL END THIS UNION!

we go back into it, why should the STRONGER UNION want or CARE about another smaller WEAKER union eh?

TREASONOUS COWARDICE

the sooner they all swing from branches the BETTER!
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and now the EU court of justice says that the UNITED KINGDOM can LEAVE without any agreement!!!

WE'RE FUCKED
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and now the EU court of justice says that the UNITED KINGDOM can LEAVE without any agreement!!!

WE'RE FUCKED
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Not really, we just revert back to WTO, we'd be in a better position for negotiation, after all we are using that rule with some countries already, an example being the USA.
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Theresa May should have held her nerve. But because she's a remainer at heart she couldn't. She has no real conviction to get Britain out of Europe. This is why she settled for a bad deal. Her Government deserves to collapse for not putting the interests of Britain first.
 Quoting: JUBILEE2018RAPTURE


Nothing about her is genuine. Just likes the sound of her own voice. Repeats the same lines and then goes back on them. As I saw today just don't believe anything she says. It saves time.
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Theresa May of the Apocalypse.





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