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Illegal aliens are the number one concern of voting Americans. The democrats will wreck themselves by denying The Wall.
 Quoting: Vicious Deplorable dollop


I really doubt that. The concern must have been for their welfare because they voted Dem for the upcoming house.

Sometimes these Polls don't make it clear what concern people actually have on these issues.

Personally, my concern is the tide is stemmed, they come in legally and they can contribute to society without Fed funds.
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Posse Comitatus wouldn't apply here. He should do it. Libtards will have a fit but f*ck them.
 Quoting: redhed6971


Army Corps of Engineers build things all the time in country.

Would not be considered a deployment, but an infrastructure project.

That said -- our military needs to be used to secure OUR borders, as opposed to those of assholes who hate us.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Yep. I'd like to see how the Dems argue that one in the courts and the judges twist the laws to side with them.
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....People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: LoneStarRising


If he can do it now he could have done it 2 years ago.
 Quoting: benbigger


No.

If you remember -- Bammy, and the dims, signed off on a 2 year budget on the way out. This done to tie Trumps hands on the wall building. A special appropriation? Not typically for something of this size. A special appropriation takes, literally, an act of Congress.

The 2019 Budget Year is Trumps first opportunity to get funding for the wall.
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Talk is cheap trump fuck
 Quoting: DeerCrafts


He's moving forward. Something you libtards know nothing about.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


You don't have to be a liberal but talk is cheap. 3 things I voted for Donald Trump. The wall being number 1, he could have done it when he had both houses. 2 repealing Obamacare, 3, a good economy to look forward to. Well the economy is roaring except the Federal reserve is raising rates to counter it. The mandate has been repealed, but there is no alternative especially if you have a pre-existing condition.
 Quoting: Madcracka


Dude, how old are you? The rates we are at ARE NOTHING compared to what they used to be back in the 80's. Nothing. Home loans were 7% easily. CC rates 20% or more.
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Talk is cheap trump fuck
 Quoting: DeerCrafts


He's moving forward. Something you libtards know nothing about.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


You don't have to be a liberal but talk is cheap. 3 things I voted for Donald Trump. The wall being number 1, he could have done it when he had both houses. 2 repealing Obamacare, 3, a good economy to look forward to. Well the economy is roaring except the Federal reserve is raising rates to counter it. The mandate has been repealed, but there is no alternative especially if you have a pre-existing condition.
 Quoting: Madcracka


Oh, and majority of people just didn't have health insurance period.
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The Wall is GAME ON!!!

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Talk is cheap trump fuck
 Quoting: DeerCrafts


He's moving forward. Something you libtards know nothing about.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


You don't have to be a liberal but talk is cheap. 3 things I voted for Donald Trump. The wall being number 1, he could have done it when he had both houses. 2 repealing Obamacare, 3, a good economy to look forward to. Well the economy is roaring except the Federal reserve is raising rates to counter it. The mandate has been repealed, but there is no alternative especially if you have a pre-existing condition.
 Quoting: Madcracka


FaggyBoy,

Trump is not a king. It is the legislative branch which controls the purse strings.

Trump has bent over backwards to try to get the wall funded, in full.

It is the Republicans in Congress who have blocked the effort.

McCain and Flake were the primary obstacles.

Until that changes, nothing will happen.
 Quoting: Gelatinous Mass


It will be Romney, MurCOwski and Collins now. Likely someone else will pop there head up too to obstruct.
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....People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: LoneStarRising


What do you mean "if"?
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Remember the $716B he got for the military in Omnibus bill that nobody read but freaked out about?

Told ya ;)
 Quoting: Coward of Anonymous


And I'm sure he has the military intelligence that shows ISIS is using southern border to infiltrate....

Argue that one Demtards!
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Posse Comitatus wouldn't apply here. He should do it. Libtards will have a fit but f*ck them.
 Quoting: redhed6971


Army Corps of Engineers build things all the time in country.

Would not be considered a deployment, but an infrastructure project.

That said -- our military needs to be used to secure OUR borders, as opposed to those of assholes who hate us.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Yes, nobody was talking about Posse Comitatus when ACE rebuilt the levees protecting New Orleans.
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....People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: LoneStarRising


What do you mean "if"?
 Quoting: Roboto


Takes 60 votes in Senate to get legislation to the floor to vote on. That means Dem votes.

Some people on this thread seem to forget that little fact. They just show their ignorance when they make comments like Trump had the House and the Senate, why did he get nothing done?
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....People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: LoneStarRising


Good. But the courts will stop it. It will have to go to SC for a ruling.
 Quoting: Nonfeminazi


The courts are just an excuse Trump uses on gullible Trumptards.

Read the US Constitution. POTUS, SCOTUS and Congress are created equal. Only SCOTUS required by Constitution all other courts are inferior courts created by Congress and as such they are NOT equal to POTUS and have no authority over POTUS.

Trump accepts those courts because he wants to NOT because he has to. Look back thru history, many US Presidents have rightly ignored these inferior courts. Power corrupts, these little district judges get a life appointment and begin to believe they are in charge, Trump has Constitutional right to ignore them as his predecessors have,

The question is does Trump have the backbone to move forward against these illegitimate forces. To date the answer is NO.
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Talk is cheap trump fuck
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He's moving forward. Something you libtards know nothing about.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


You don't have to be a liberal but talk is cheap. 3 things I voted for Donald Trump. The wall being number 1, he could have done it when he had both houses. 2 repealing Obamacare, 3, a good economy to look forward to. Well the economy is roaring except the Federal reserve is raising rates to counter it. The mandate has been repealed, but there is no alternative especially if you have a pre-existing condition.
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Dude, how old are you? The rates we are at ARE NOTHING compared to what they used to be back in the 80's. Nothing. Home loans were 7% easily. CC rates 20% or more.
 Quoting: Nonfeminazi


Early 80's mortgages at over 15%. But you have to compare worldwide. Most of the rest of the world still has a zero interest rate policy. By having a higher rate than everyone else, it makes the dollar stronger (people want to hold dollars for the interest) and so it hurts our exports and balance of trade (US goods become relatively more expensive in foreign currency terms, and imports to the US are cheap in USD terms).
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....People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: LoneStarRising


Good. But the courts will stop it. It will have to go to SC for a ruling.
 Quoting: Nonfeminazi


SCOTUS just cleared one possible hurdle for Trump. They said environmental concerns can't block building the wall.

As for concerns about using military money, how is this different from Army Corps of Engineers building levees to protect New Orleans and repairing them after Katrina?
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Posse Comitatus wouldn't apply here. He should do it. Libtards will have a fit but f*ck them.
 Quoting: redhed6971


The talking heads on Fox are already saying all spending is legislative and the military was not allotted funds to build the wall. So, that is the reason that will be used in the courts.
 Quoting: Nonfeminazi


Already budgeted monies can easily be redirected under emergency status.
Ask the Obamunists about this. The money sent on pallets to Iran did not just pop up out of thin air.
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Funny how libs never complain when the Army Corps of Engineers goes into a place ravaged by some disaster to help repair infrastructure, etc.

Then those same lib morons complain and say a President has no authority to, under the need for national security, harden a border wall or other border facility?

If a President can sign and EO to allow additional emergency funds to be spent in an area then he can sign an EO to build a wall at the Southern Border.

Did Obama have the authority to send $150 BILLION to Iran in CASH?

Did he have authority to pay for the transport of that cash to Iran?

Was Iran under SANCTION at the time?

He did ALL of that without ANY legal authority but libs want to complain about something that the President actually DOES have the authority to do?

Typical. Liberal. Bullshit.
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....People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: LoneStarRising


If he can do it now he could have done it 2 years ago.
 Quoting: benbigger


No.

If you remember -- Bammy, and the dims, signed off on a 2 year budget on the way out. This done to tie Trumps hands on the wall building. A special appropriation? Not typically for something of this size. A special appropriation takes, literally, an act of Congress.

The 2019 Budget Year is Trumps first opportunity to get funding for the wall.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Sorry you are wrong.

President has immense Constitutional authority to use 1 million active military and $700 BILLION budget to defend the United States--that is his primary Constitutional duty. A few $ Billion for concrete and steel from military funds to provide construction materials to Army Combat Engineer wall construction is a drop in the bucket. DOD moves and reallocates $ Billions every day based on operations needs and changing threat assessments--which include an alarming number of potential terrorists from Bangladesh, Afghanistan, etc etc countries that are know harbors of anti American terrorists, who are crossing southern border into the United States..

These incursions of US southern border are well known (but classified) by US intelligence and obviously by Border Patrol on the ground. Trump could easily use national defense as justification to fund Army Combat Engineers building wall on border IF HE WANTED but, like Obama and Bush before him, Trump has opted to take a "see no evil" attitude because openly admitting these issues would upset the public who would force action and curtail the flow of mass immigration demanded by corporations (money donors) and globalists.
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Posse Comitatus wouldn't apply here. He should do it. Libtards will have a fit but f*ck them.
 Quoting: redhed6971


The talking heads on Fox are already saying all spending is legislative and the military was not allotted funds to build the wall. So, that is the reason that will be used in the courts.
 Quoting: Nonfeminazi


Already budgeted monies can easily be redirected under emergency status.
Ask the Obamunists about this. The money sent on pallets to Iran did not just pop up out of thin air.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


Surely every single penny of the military budget is not micromanaged. How could it be with the instant, ever changing circumstances?
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Why is he asking for funding? I thought Mexico was going to pay for this wall...
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I think that is a great idea
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"By far, the biggest category of discretionary spending is spending on the Pentagon and related military programs. Examples of other well-known programs paid for by discretionary spending include the early childhood education program Head Start (included in Housing & Community), Title I grants to disadvantaged schools and Pell grants for low-income college students (Education), food assistance for Women, Infants and Children (WIC), training and placement for unemployed people provided by Workforce Investment Boards (in Social Security, Unemployment and Labor), and scientific research through the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and National Science Foundation (NSF), among many others."

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^^^^So, what is the meaning of discretionary?
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Sounds like a way to crank up the military presence at the border without causing alarm.
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....People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: LoneStarRising


Good. But the courts will stop it. It will have to go to SC for a ruling.
 Quoting: Nonfeminazi


SCOTUS just cleared one possible hurdle for Trump. They said environmental concerns can't block building the wall.

As for concerns about using military money, how is this different from Army Corps of Engineers building levees to protect New Orleans and repairing them after Katrina?
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Filling our country with turd worlders does far more environmental damage than a wall.
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....People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

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 Quoting: LoneStarRising


If he can do it now he could have done it 2 years ago.
 Quoting: benbigger


No.

If you remember -- Bammy, and the dims, signed off on a 2 year budget on the way out. This done to tie Trumps hands on the wall building. A special appropriation? Not typically for something of this size. A special appropriation takes, literally, an act of Congress.

The 2019 Budget Year is Trumps first opportunity to get funding for the wall.
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Sorry you are wrong.

President has immense Constitutional authority to use 1 million active military and $700 BILLION budget to defend the United States--that is his primary Constitutional duty. A few $ Billion for concrete and steel from military funds to provide construction materials to Army Combat Engineer wall construction is a drop in the bucket. DOD moves and reallocates $ Billions every day based on operations needs and changing threat assessments--which include an alarming number of potential terrorists from Bangladesh, Afghanistan, etc etc countries that are know harbors of anti American terrorists, who are crossing southern border into the United States..

These incursions of US southern border are well known (but classified) by US intelligence and obviously by Border Patrol on the ground. Trump could easily use national defense as justification to fund Army Combat Engineers building wall on border IF HE WANTED but, like Obama and Bush before him, Trump has opted to take a "see no evil" attitude because openly admitting these issues would upset the public who would force action and curtail the flow of mass immigration demanded by corporations (money donors) and globalists.
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You need to learn more about the federal Appropriations process and laws.
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If he can do it now he could have done it 2 years ago.
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No.

If you remember -- Bammy, and the dims, signed off on a 2 year budget on the way out. This done to tie Trumps hands on the wall building. A special appropriation? Not typically for something of this size. A special appropriation takes, literally, an act of Congress.

The 2019 Budget Year is Trumps first opportunity to get funding for the wall.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Sorry you are wrong.

President has immense Constitutional authority to use 1 million active military and $700 BILLION budget to defend the United States--that is his primary Constitutional duty. A few $ Billion for concrete and steel from military funds to provide construction materials to Army Combat Engineer wall construction is a drop in the bucket. DOD moves and reallocates $ Billions every day based on operations needs and changing threat assessments--which include an alarming number of potential terrorists from Bangladesh, Afghanistan, etc etc countries that are know harbors of anti American terrorists, who are crossing southern border into the United States..

These incursions of US southern border are well known (but classified) by US intelligence and obviously by Border Patrol on the ground. Trump could easily use national defense as justification to fund Army Combat Engineers building wall on border IF HE WANTED but, like Obama and Bush before him, Trump has opted to take a "see no evil" attitude because openly admitting these issues would upset the public who would force action and curtail the flow of mass immigration demanded by corporations (money donors) and globalists.
 Quoting: benbigger


You need to learn more about the federal Appropriations process and laws.
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I spent some years as a combat arms officer supporting border missions against the old soviet block in europe and later against north korea, spent months on us southern border ( I know border security) then a graduate school fellowship in a STEM field at the most expensive university in the usa to include graduate coursework in federal acquisition regulations and contracting to prepare me for multiple years in the pentagon with every known security clearance, managed, developed and or worked on 100s million dollar procurement contracts, believe I am well founded in federal budgeting and appropriations.

That's my experience. What is yours?
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No.

If you remember -- Bammy, and the dims, signed off on a 2 year budget on the way out. This done to tie Trumps hands on the wall building. A special appropriation? Not typically for something of this size. A special appropriation takes, literally, an act of Congress.

The 2019 Budget Year is Trumps first opportunity to get funding for the wall.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Sorry you are wrong.

President has immense Constitutional authority to use 1 million active military and $700 BILLION budget to defend the United States--that is his primary Constitutional duty. A few $ Billion for concrete and steel from military funds to provide construction materials to Army Combat Engineer wall construction is a drop in the bucket. DOD moves and reallocates $ Billions every day based on operations needs and changing threat assessments--which include an alarming number of potential terrorists from Bangladesh, Afghanistan, etc etc countries that are know harbors of anti American terrorists, who are crossing southern border into the United States..

These incursions of US southern border are well known (but classified) by US intelligence and obviously by Border Patrol on the ground. Trump could easily use national defense as justification to fund Army Combat Engineers building wall on border IF HE WANTED but, like Obama and Bush before him, Trump has opted to take a "see no evil" attitude because openly admitting these issues would upset the public who would force action and curtail the flow of mass immigration demanded by corporations (money donors) and globalists.
 Quoting: benbigger


You need to learn more about the federal Appropriations process and laws.
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I spent some years as a combat arms officer supporting border missions against the old soviet block in europe and later against north korea, spent months on us southern border ( I know border security) then a graduate school fellowship in a STEM field at the most expensive university in the usa to include graduate coursework in federal acquisition regulations and contracting to prepare me for multiple years in the pentagon with every known security clearance, managed, developed and or worked on 100s million dollar procurement contracts, believe I am well founded in federal budgeting and appropriations.

That's my experience. What is yours?
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Yeah--me, I just enjoy a little smock with my covfefe.
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Re: Trump: If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall.
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....People do not yet realize how much of the Wall, including really effective renovation, has already been built. If the Democrats do not give us the votes to secure our Country, the Military will build the remaining sections of the Wall. They know how important it is!

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Good. But the courts will stop it. It will have to go to SC for a ruling.
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The courts are just an excuse Trump uses on gullible Trumptards.

Read the US Constitution. POTUS, SCOTUS and Congress are created equal. Only SCOTUS required by Constitution all other courts are inferior courts created by Congress and as such they are NOT equal to POTUS and have no authority over POTUS.

Trump accepts those courts because he wants to NOT because he has to. Look back thru history, many US Presidents have rightly ignored these inferior courts. Power corrupts, these little district judges get a life appointment and begin to believe they are in charge, Trump has Constitutional right to ignore them as his predecessors have,

The question is does Trump have the backbone to move forward against these illegitimate forces. To date the answer is NO.
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You don't have to teach ME about the co equal branches of government. Go teach that Cortez idiot.

Regardless, Trump believes in the rule of law (don't have a country without it) and that was pretty evident in his campaigning. So, I'm not surprised he follows their rulings, but, he does fight them...all the way to the SC.
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Why is he asking for funding? I thought Mexico was going to pay for this wall...
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He just got rid of NAFTA didn't he?

No one with a brain cell in their head expected Mexico to write a check. Apparently, only dumb Dems expected that.

No, we expected something along the lines of making money off of Mexico or finding savings by not having to pay for illegals to fund the Wall. Actually, the Wall would give us future savings of billions a year. We currently spend in the neighborhood of 80 billion a year in handouts and public service involving illegals.
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No.

If you remember -- Bammy, and the dims, signed off on a 2 year budget on the way out. This done to tie Trumps hands on the wall building. A special appropriation? Not typically for something of this size. A special appropriation takes, literally, an act of Congress.

The 2019 Budget Year is Trumps first opportunity to get funding for the wall.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


Sorry you are wrong.

President has immense Constitutional authority to use 1 million active military and $700 BILLION budget to defend the United States--that is his primary Constitutional duty. A few $ Billion for concrete and steel from military funds to provide construction materials to Army Combat Engineer wall construction is a drop in the bucket. DOD moves and reallocates $ Billions every day based on operations needs and changing threat assessments--which include an alarming number of potential terrorists from Bangladesh, Afghanistan, etc etc countries that are know harbors of anti American terrorists, who are crossing southern border into the United States..

These incursions of US southern border are well known (but classified) by US intelligence and obviously by Border Patrol on the ground. Trump could easily use national defense as justification to fund Army Combat Engineers building wall on border IF HE WANTED but, like Obama and Bush before him, Trump has opted to take a "see no evil" attitude because openly admitting these issues would upset the public who would force action and curtail the flow of mass immigration demanded by corporations (money donors) and globalists.
 Quoting: benbigger


You need to learn more about the federal Appropriations process and laws.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


I spent some years as a combat arms officer supporting border missions against the old soviet block in europe and later against north korea, spent months on us southern border ( I know border security) then a graduate school fellowship in a STEM field at the most expensive university in the usa to include graduate coursework in federal acquisition regulations and contracting to prepare me for multiple years in the pentagon with every known security clearance, managed, developed and or worked on 100s million dollar procurement contracts, believe I am well founded in federal budgeting and appropriations.

That's my experience. What is yours?
 Quoting: benbigger

And let me add. POTUS can declare a national emergency at the border and move any amount of the 1 million active military and use any amount of the $700 Billion DoD budget to meet that emergency.

To say POTUS is always constrained by approval from Congress or lines in a DoD budget authorization is to believe if Russia or China attacked the United States POTUS could not respond without approval from Congress? You must be insane.

And if 500K illegals per year flooding the southern border to include known criminals and terrorists who are literally robbing, raping, murdering, assaulting american citizens do not constitute an emergency, I do not know what an emergency is. That the invaders come from Mexico rather than Russia does make the harm to american citizen any more acceptable.
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