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Notes from the Second Earth: "The Greatest Story Never Told" The End of Deception (page 33)

 
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(Where warm waters halt)
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Think like a child, as he instructed

Water would be warm because __________
 Quoting: Taom

Water would be warm because its not cold anymore
 Quoting: theBecomingest 75380804

I suppose that warm water can halt when it is converted into electricity.

To a child, water in the desert would be hot (regardless of what the actual temperature is, for they would not care)

He seems to be talking about the area past Glenn Canyon Dam around Marble Canyon.

One could tour the river in that area on Google Maps and search for interesting features. (It's not a large area.)
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He has specifically said, warm waters halt is NOT a dam
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But I see Earth as being binary, with our Earth on the bottom part. (And the second Earth on top. However, perspective-wise each is on 'top'.) The 'metaphysical' world between the two is where the polar energies converge, it could be said.
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The way you are describing earth, fundamentally strikes me how our brain and all things in world seems to operate in a holographic sense.
 Quoting: SpawnX

As illustrated, it's the way perspective works. The 'metaphysical world' is not so much a place but the 'algorithm' of perspective.

I am trying to understand the metaphysical part and am starting to get a hint that its our main source of thoughts which leads to interactions, senses, etc.
 Quoting: SpawnX

Yes, perspective is this 'source'. If existence was a place its name would be Perspective.

But ATM when I refer to accessing the moat I feel it requires increasingly rarified levels of energy to be capable of processing the information from upper earth. But dont the wavelengths make it to my antenna down here.. I think we access it but unconsciously, as you cannot see “electrons” it happens just trust your gut.
 Quoting: SpawnX

Information from the metaphysical world between the two? You're processing it right now.

Take something you look at often. Do you really know what it is? Could it be much more than what you see?

We consciously access this information. There is no need to see electrons, because they do not exist (until they need to, which is almost never)

Bentov states that scientists suspect that the human mind operates on a simple binary “go/no go” system as do all digital computers.
 Quoting: SpawnX

Again, anything that exists is perceived and works as would perspective.

Chaos/no-chaos

Maybe your brain is outside of where you think it is.
 Quoting: Taom

“Contrary to what everyone knows is so, it may not be the brain that produces consciousness; but rather, consciousness that creates the appearance of the brain…”

So not only does our mind operate binary but the two earth model you been explaining just about represents the mind but instead of left and right hemisphere its up and down.
 Quoting: SpawnX

Everything :)

But the up/down, left/right, etc., are just for our reference.

Would the Left hemisphere be lower earth?
Would right hemisphere be upper earth?
 Quoting: SpawnX

Yes.

Left = consciousness grid: Acts like the mind's computer software to reduce input from right hemisphere to verbal symbols and concepts. LEFT BRAIN FILTERS SENSATIONS BEFORE right brain gets access.
 Quoting: SpawnX

Each sensation is interpreted by either hemisphere. One would not 'filter out' anything for the other, because the other is not the source.

Have we been in training to bypass the left brain through entertainment/boredom, semi-sleep state, rem (99% dont remember upon awakening since left side is turned off), and Hypnosis.
 Quoting: SpawnX

As humans, we've not been in training for anything. There isn't anything more that needs to be done.

Why would your hemispheres need to work together?
 Quoting: Taom

Why would upper earth need to work with lower earth? ;)
 Quoting: SpawnX

They don't need to. If it was needed, then I'm sure they would make more serious efforts.

But these things are done via the metaphysical world.

There, the worlds 'work together' by default, since they are two interpretations of the same thing.

Right hemisphere= consciousness grid: Reduces three dimensional holographic image to two dimensional.
Right side = sensations, dopamine, emotions- associated pleasure centers. More dreamlike then left brain?
 Quoting: SpawnX

I suppose the dreamworld is like plasma. Depending on how 'crystallized' it is, it could take the form of a tree, star, human body, rock, flower, cell, etc.

One form of the dreamworld is this world, while an other is the other world. One form of mind is the left hemisphere, while the other is the right.

Getting my head around that, consciousness/relationships/perspective that creates the appearance of the brain.
 Quoting: SpawnX

The brain is a concept. If you're not looking directly at your brain, you don't have one (for now).

Your 'brain' is folded into your thoughts. It's a concept only. It is not the brain or mind that does the thinking. Thinking is a matter of perspective.

A bit off topic, you said absolute cannot be experienced. I been diving deep a little and it may be possible?
 Quoting: SpawnX

If something is Absolute, it cannot be experienced.

Experiences are interpretations. The 'Absolute' is not something to interpret. They are mutually exclusive.

Absolute= Energy in this state of inactive infinity. But the-Absolute generates no holograms of or about itself. With our physical existence we cannot perceive it, So I can try to go up up in the depths of the horizon I am still confined in perspective.
 Quoting: SpawnX

If it is Absolute, it cannot be energy nor a state nor active/inactive nor an infinity. It would be beyond interpretation (or representation).

There is no need to experience it. We are trying to avoid it completely :)

There may be a loop hole to the absolute! I need more time thinking about it. I need to stick with more of the fundamental basics instead of looking for the ultimate alpha and omega.
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Loopholes are a human concept. There are no flaws in logic when logic does not apply to the Absolute.

That which you seek is 'hiding' in your immediate reality.

But our brainwaves act like oscillating frequency when it ever so sightly reaches the point of rest at the top or bottom of the wave for a split moment when its totally at rest it clicks out of time-space and joins infinity. This is happening now.
 Quoting: SpawnX

Do any brainwaves exist now?
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...

Think like a child, as he instructed

Water would be warm because __________
 Quoting: Taom

Water would be warm because its not cold anymore
 Quoting: theBecomingest 75380804

I suppose that warm water can halt when it is converted into electricity.

To a child, water in the desert would be hot (regardless of what the actual temperature is, for they would not care)

He seems to be talking about the area past Glenn Canyon Dam around Marble Canyon.

One could tour the river in that area on Google Maps and search for interesting features. (It's not a large area.)
 Quoting: Taom

He has specifically said, warm waters halt is NOT a dam
 Quoting: theBecomingest 75380804

Frozen water would have been my other option, but maybe he doesn't want people thinking too much like a child :) Some knowledge of geophysical characteristics may be required.

I was also thinking that the treasure could be in one of the four states he mentioned it is in, but one is to start from a state that he said the treasure was not in.
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Aren’t they just opposing aspects of the same concept contained within the duality of perspective? To me, one can’t exist without the other.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It doesn't mean that kindness is 'good', for example.

If we help feed someone dying of hunger we may consider it good, but that does not make it so. It's a matter of perspective.

The 'truth' of something is beyond perspective.

We invented the concepts of good, evil, etc.

In one century 'love' could mean something totally different than an other, or even from culture-to-culture (or person-to-person).
 Quoting: Taom



I think you know what I’m trying to get at. In my heart of hearts, there are certain things that I know of to be the darkest of dark. Intellectually, I understand why they are there. Opposing aspects of the same concept. But, as they occur in reality, they are for all intents and purposes, evil. The same goes for good. To me, they each have a resonant frequency that I feel internally. My heart responds accordingly.

I can’t seem to wrap my mind around what you’re saying. My moral compass, hopefully in alignment with my expanded self, tells me that what I’m witnessing is dark. For example, in no orbit of mine, is the abuse of children, okay or could be seen as ‘good’. Ever.

I understand that we have evolving definitions of words and concepts through time. And that love means different things to different people. It’s expression will always be unique to the relationship in which it’s playing out.

The same applies to evil. But there is evil in the world. Ask a human trafficked slave. Or an abused child. It exists and by the very definition of duality, must exist. Each person has ideas on what constitutes ‘good’ and ‘evil’. Of course, they both have a flavor of the other in them. As you say, there are no absolutes.

We are human beings, experiencing becoming...what?

This is the nature of the perspective we find ourselves in. Good and evil are very much the core of who we are. With the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other. Making decisions in every moment, whether we are conscious of them or not. Are we feeding order or chaos?

The battle between good and evil is Reality. Order and chaos. Light and dark. Positive and negative. Life and death. They are the very polarities that provide structure to perspective, through their opposition. To being. They coexist within each of us.

What are you pointing to because I feel I’m missing it?

Are you saying we should redefine good and evil in our own perspectives? Accept that both are present? And then _________________...

It’s order, chaos’ relationship being expressed as a harmony that is most relative to where you are. It might not feel harmonious but it is a product of the order chaos dance, all things considered.

What kind of reality would we have if good and evil weren’t defined?

If the truth of something is beyond perspective, we are left with the illusion to exist in. It’s what we’ve got. It’s all we’ve got. To keep on feeling like we exist.

So many times you have said that there’s really nothing that has to be done. You have been writing here for a decade trying to teach us to do something, anything. Differently. Yes, we have a choice. One of those choices is to do nothing. But, I believe that, for me, that’s not an option. I have been diligently working on myself.

I can only imagine how many hours of my waking life have been consumed by reading, rereading, contemplating, and trying to apply the basic principles of what you’ve shown me. As time passes though, the external reality gets crazier and crazier. More and more chaotic. Especially as technology keeps advancing. It’s packaging reality, commoditizing it, and selling it back to us. We, as a society, are outsourcing everything at this point. Including how and what we perceive.

We are up against ourselves packaged as the controllers of information, past and present. The money directors. The War makers. The identity stealers. The attention devourers. It’s a sea of chaos that has turned reality on it’s head, for generations.

Sometimes the task seems daunting.
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If there are no differences between good and evil, what is the essential use of the conscience of man? Is it another word for the higher self, the expanded self or it is just a useless checker of my ego and consciousness? Please let me understand.I know things may be evil but the end result maybe for good. But is the good I see, also the good for the others.Would the good for the others takes precedent over the goodness that I feel. I thought I would take care of my improvement first before I can look out for others.
I hope I make sense. But everything is like one vicious cycle of one another.
If love is not a feeling, then what drives one towards service to others? Is it the conscience or the love unfeeling for others; sort of a cycle that's meaningless because there is only one self existing??. Pardon if this is a chaotic question.Thank you.
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Aren’t they just opposing aspects of the same concept contained within the duality of perspective? To me, one can’t exist without the other.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It doesn't mean that kindness is 'good', for example.

If we help feed someone dying of hunger we may consider it good, but that does not make it so. It's a matter of perspective.

The 'truth' of something is beyond perspective.

We invented the concepts of good, evil, etc.

In one century 'love' could mean something totally different than an other, or even from culture-to-culture (or person-to-person).
 Quoting: Taom

I think you know what I’m trying to get at. In my heart of hearts, there are certain things that I know of to be the darkest of dark. Intellectually, I understand why they are there. Opposing aspects of the same concept. But, as they occur in reality, they are for all intents and purposes, evil. The same goes for good. To me, they each have a resonant frequency that I feel internally. My heart responds accordingly.

I can’t seem to wrap my mind around what you’re saying. My moral compass, hopefully in alignment with my expanded self, tells me that what I’m witnessing is dark. For example, in no orbit of mine, is the abuse of children, okay or could be seen as ‘good’. Ever.

I understand that we have evolving definitions of words and concepts through time. And that love means different things to different people. It’s expression will always be unique to the relationship in which it’s playing out.

The same applies to evil. But there is evil in the world. Ask a human trafficked slave. Or an abused child. It exists and by the very definition of duality, must exist. Each person has ideas on what constitutes ‘good’ and ‘evil’. Of course, they both have a flavor of the other in them. As you say, there are no absolutes.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

If there is no absolute good or evil (save for that which is absolute, and thus beyond interpretation and perspective) then "good" and "evil" are concepts that, as you say, co-exist.

Good needs evil, and evil needs good. We define 'good' by what it is not. It is, for us, an abstraction.

If we say that there are some things that would be 100% good in any perspective, we must realize we are still talking about an abstraction that we made up. It, thus, does not apply to other perspectives.

Something is considered 'good' because of its relationships. It is the same for 'evil'.

There are certain things that are considered 'good' now that would have been considered 'evil' less than 150 years ago (such as modern medicine, or modern music). Something is not evil by itself but in relationship with other things. Is it evil to kill someone? In a dream? In a war? If it was to save 4 billion others?

There are certain things that are considered 'evil' of the worst kind now that would have been considered 'good' a few thousand years ago (such as human sacrifice).

Do we know 'better' now than we did then? We poison the same people we say we want to protect and barrage them with millions of depictions of violence of every kind during their lifetimes, but think nothing of it.

So which is more evil? The society that we think of as primitive and killed 1 child out of every 10,000? Or the one that we think of as far more advanced, yet abuses nearly 100% of its children, has killed over 1 billion in the most inhumane of ways, makes them stupid, and willingly poisons their minds, bodies, and souls while nearly every 'loving' parent is a willing participant?

We still must consider the fundamental principle we are using for good and evil no matter how many situations or exceptions we think of. If we believe that absolute evil exists, then it's fine to think that some things are evil while others things are not. (But it also means that it must be evil from every perspective in space and time, not just how people feel about it now.)

We are human beings, experiencing becoming...what?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Whatever we want.

All roads lead the same way, regardless. Some roads just take longer (or much, much longer) than others.

Even when we think we are doing nothing, something is still being done.

This is the nature of the perspective we find ourselves in. Good and evil are very much the core of who we are. With the angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other. Making decisions in every moment, whether we are conscious of them or not. Are we feeding order or chaos?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

How can concepts we made up be the core of who we are?

There are opposing forces (that are really two ways of looking at the same force) but it does mean one needs to be 'good' in this way while the other needs to be 'evil' in an other way.

We choose how to interpret it. Perhaps one day our concept of 'good' will change to, 'that which relates to a lot of things' while 'evil' will be, 'that which doesn't relate to a lot of things'

The battle between good and evil is Reality.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Yes, until we change it to something else.

Order and chaos. Light and dark. Positive and negative. Life and death. They are the very polarities that provide structure to perspective, through their opposition. To being. They coexist within each of us.

What are you pointing to because I feel I’m missing it?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

We define the opposites through relationships.

If they polarities co-exist, then they are made up of the same.

...then there are no real polarities. We make the drama in order to feel like we exist.

The choice of how to interpret them is ours :)

Are you saying we should redefine good and evil in our own perspectives? Accept that both are present? And then _________________...
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

We are all ready doing just that, even as a society. The definitions of good and evil change over time.

Accept that both are two ways of looking at the same thing.

How can 'God' be all things but not be the worst kind of evil that exists, for example?

And then.... live as we choose.

(There is nothing that we need to do.)

It’s order, chaos’ relationship being expressed as a harmony that is most relative to where you are. It might not feel harmonious but it is a product of the order chaos dance, all things considered.

What kind of reality would we have if good and evil weren’t defined?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Being able to choose how they are defined doesn't mean that they aren't defined.

We'll all ways have Chaos and Order, and it will be interpreted in different ways.

We choose the definitions.

If the truth of something is beyond perspective, we are left with the illusion to exist in. It’s what we’ve got. It’s all we’ve got. To keep on feeling like we exist.

So many times you have said that there’s really nothing that has to be done. You have been writing here for a decade trying to teach us to do something, anything. Differently. Yes, we have a choice. One of those choices is to do nothing. But, I believe that, for me, that’s not an option. I have been diligently working on myself.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Even doing nothing is still doing something.

"There is nothing that you need to do" hopefully doesn't imply inaction. It just means that everything you seek is in the here and now. We have only to see it, if we want.

I can only imagine how many hours of my waking life have been consumed by reading, rereading, contemplating, and trying to apply the basic principles of what you’ve shown me. As time passes though, the external reality gets crazier and crazier. More and more chaotic. Especially as technology keeps advancing. It’s packaging reality, commoditizing it, and selling it back to us. We, as a society, are outsourcing everything at this point. Including how and what we perceive.

We are up against ourselves packaged as the controllers of information, past and present. The money directors. The War makers. The identity stealers. The attention devourers. It’s a sea of chaos that has turned reality on it’s head, for generations.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

We, as a society, are coming to a realization that we are reality. We are the actors in the Chaos.

The tipping point of Chaos' advancement is its destruction (or, re-creation).

We are the things we have been resisting and rejecting.

We are the evil.

We are the Chaos.

When we realize that, the Chaos will be re-defined. There will be a much more orderly kind of Chaos.

This could mean that, instead of people being killed randomly, for example, people will volunteer for their own death and murders would drop. Does it sound strange? Do we not all ready do this today, with drugs or cigarettes and other things?

When we realize that we are the things we hate, then a new kind of world can come about.

Sometimes the task seems daunting.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

The only task is that which you have given to your self.

The task we are conscious of is rarely what our subconscious cares about, however.

("we" above means "you", of course)
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If there are no differences between good and evil, what is the essential use of the conscience of man? Is it another word for the higher self, the expanded self or it is just a useless checker of my ego and consciousness? Please let me understand.I know things may be evil but the end result maybe for good. But is the good I see, also the good for the others.Would the good for the others takes precedent over the goodness that I feel. I thought I would take care of my improvement first before I can look out for others.
I hope I make sense. But everything is like one vicious cycle of one another.
If love is not a feeling, then what drives one towards service to others? Is it the conscience or the love unfeeling for others; sort of a cycle that's meaningless because there is only one self existing??. Pardon if this is a chaotic question.Thank you.
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Before I answer, can you tell me of your definition of 'conscience'? Thanks :)
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Something is considered 'good' because of its relationships. It is the same for 'evil'.

There are certain things that are considered 'good' now that would have been considered 'evil' less than 150 years ago (such as modern medicine, or modern music). Something is not evil by itself but in relationship with other things. Is it evil to kill someone? In a dream? In a war? If it was to save 4 billion others?

There are certain things that are considered 'evil' of the worst kind now that would have been considered 'good' a few thousand years ago (such as human sacrifice).

Do we know 'better' now than we did then? We poison the same people we say we want to protect and barrage them with millions of depictions of violence of every kind during their lifetimes, but think nothing of it.

So which is more evil? The society that we think of as primitive and killed 1 child out of every 10,000? Or the one that we think of as far more advanced, yet abuses nearly 100% of its children, has killed over 1 billion in the most inhumane of ways, makes them stupid, and willingly poisons their minds, bodies, and souls while nearly every 'loving' parent is a willing participant?
 Quoting: Taom


As always, thanks for your thoughtful reply to my rant. I just feel myself being frustrated at the state of it all. As a parent, I look out to the world, and it makes me sad and scared for our children.

Knowing how to navigate the noise is a skill. Their minds are so impressionable, no matter how hard you try to protect them and teach them - outside influences seep in.

I see the same as you above when I look out. Corrupt institutions dictating the direction society is moving. The inversion is everywhere. Mandatory vaccines - no sovereignty over your own child's body, GMO's are good for you and the solution to world hunger, chemicals in your drinking water are necessary, chemtrails aren't real, Nuclear power is safe, predatory loans are o.k....the list goes on and on! Oh yeah, don't worry, we make a pill for that!

I don't know about you guys, but this is definitely not the legacy I want to leave for the ones I love.
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As always, thanks for your thoughtful reply to my rant. I just feel myself being frustrated at the state of it all. As a parent, I look out to the world, and it makes me sad and scared for our children.

Knowing how to navigate the noise is a skill. Their minds are so impressionable, no matter how hard you try to protect them and teach them - outside influences seep in.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

There are all ways outside influences, but we can determine how much influence they have.

For example, any exposure a child has to screens (television, internet, etc.) is optional.

Vaccines are optional...but may required depending on which system you choose to participate in.

One could say, for example, "Our state requires vaccines," but it probably depends on whether or not the child is enrolled in public schools. (Homeschooling is considered private school in some states, and some private schools don't require it.) One could also claim a religious exemption.

One has a choice whether or not to send their children outside to educate them.

One also has a choice in where to live.

Yes, there are other factors involved. But if one was very serious about it, they could raise a child with very minimal ('negative') outside influences.

...if one was very serious.

But oftentimes we make sacrifices. We choose to live in more expensive cities or towns and pay a mortgage on a house and for a loan on a car because that is how we are conditioned to think. We choose not to grow our own food or use our own water (or choose not to install a reverse osmosis system if we don't have a well). We choose to participate in many of the corrupt institutions that we think we're against. We choose to overspend and interact with the predatory financial system more than we need to.

These are all choices that we make, whether or not we realize it. When we think about the available alternatives we think about all the reasons why we can't choose them. And then we decide that participation in the system is worth it.

There may not be many options for the next few months but with some long-term planning, far more options are available. One does not need to live in the United States, for example. An American living overseas and working on the internet, for example, can live tax-free up to $100,000 a year or so. They could have a happy life living on a farm in Uruguay (one of the most advanced countries in the world) with their entire family for a few hundred dollars a month, learn to grow their own food and drink their own water, educate their own children, etc... if they really wanted to. If they saved $150,000 over 10 years and put it into a real estate vehicle and got 10-13% a year, that's enough to live on for the rest of their lives and their children's lives. Yet, most of us save up lots of money for a house in order to live in it ourselves (one of the worst financial decisions that we could make), thinking it is the best way to go.

But we don't make these choices. We almost always choose to participate in the systems that we 'hate', convincing ourselves that we have no choice. That is how Chaos wants you to think :)

The defeatist way of thinking could be a way of dismissing the reality of, "I actually choose the things I am sure I don't like"
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If there are no differences between good and evil, what is the essential use of the conscience of man? Is it another word for the higher self, the expanded self or it is just a useless checker of my ego and consciousness? Please let me understand.I know things may be evil but the end result maybe for good. But is the good I see, also the good for the others.Would the good for the others takes precedent over the goodness that I feel. I thought I would take care of my improvement first before I can look out for others.
I hope I make sense. But everything is like one vicious cycle of one another.
If love is not a feeling, then what drives one towards service to others? Is it the conscience or the love unfeeling for others; sort of a cycle that's meaningless because there is only one self existing??. Pardon if this is a chaotic question.Thank you.
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Before I answer, can you tell me of your definition of 'conscience'? Thanks :)
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For me,conscience is my inner sense of right and wrong.My actions,my intentions are dictated by my inner voice. I may have impure thoughts or did wrong but mostly its the guide that makes me grounded,feel guilty and be remorseful.Thank you:)
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As always, thanks for your thoughtful reply to my rant. I just feel myself being frustrated at the state of it all. As a parent, I look out to the world, and it makes me sad and scared for our children.

Knowing how to navigate the noise is a skill. Their minds are so impressionable, no matter how hard you try to protect them and teach them - outside influences seep in.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

There are all ways outside influences, but we can determine how much influence they have.

For example, any exposure a child has to screens (television, internet, etc.) is optional.

Vaccines are optional...but may required depending on which system you choose to participate in.

One could say, for example, "Our state requires vaccines," but it probably depends on whether or not the child is enrolled in public schools. (Homeschooling is considered private school in some states, and some private schools don't require it.) One could also claim a religious exemption.

One has a choice whether or not to send their children outside to educate them.

One also has a choice in where to live.

Yes, there are other factors involved. But if one was very serious about it, they could raise a child with very minimal ('negative') outside influences.

...if one was very serious.

But oftentimes we make sacrifices. We choose to live in more expensive cities or towns and pay a mortgage on a house and for a loan on a car because that is how we are conditioned to think. We choose not to grow our own food or use our own water (or choose not to install a reverse osmosis system if we don't have a well). We choose to participate in many of the corrupt institutions that we think we're against. We choose to overspend and interact with the predatory financial system more than we need to.

These are all choices that we make, whether or not we realize it. When we think about the available alternatives we think about all the reasons why we can't choose them. And then we decide that participation in the system is worth it.

There may not be many options for the next few months but with some long-term planning, far more options are available. One does not need to live in the United States, for example. An American living overseas and working on the internet, for example, can live tax-free up to $100,000 a year or so. They could have a happy life living on a farm in Uruguay (one of the most advanced countries in the world) with their entire family for a few hundred dollars a month, learn to grow their own food and drink their own water, educate their own children, etc... if they really wanted to. If they saved $150,000 over 10 years and put it into a real estate vehicle and got 10-13% a year, that's enough to live on for the rest of their lives and their children's lives. Yet, most of us save up lots of money for a house in order to live in it ourselves (one of the worst financial decisions that we could make), thinking it is the best way to go.

But we don't make these choices. We almost always choose to participate in the systems that we 'hate', convincing ourselves that we have no choice. That is how Chaos wants you to think :)

The defeatist way of thinking could be a way of dismissing the reality of, "I actually choose the things I am sure I don't like"
 Quoting: Taom


All of the above is a great reminder. In every moment we make choices that shape the reality we experience. We do choose the systems which we operate in. And have a choice to opt out, take a different path.

You make it sound so easy. :)

I’ve tried to follow my intuition throughout my life. Made the best decisions I could with the information I had at the time. My kids aren’t vaccinated. They are older now and some of the physically healthiest ones of their peers with sharp minds. We didn’t have tv for a decade, limited screen access, no social media, only got phones once in high school, have grown food, raised animals, have clean water and live rurally. We tried to instill these more natural rhythms into their reality.

The world my friends are raising their toddlers in now is way different even from when my kids were young. My 2 pieces of advice to other parents as children get older, are: no social media and have parental controls on their devices.

You’re right. We have a lot more control over our reality creation than we acknowledge. Sometimes, even a little bit of change is the hardest step to make. Old habits die hard.

"I actually choose the things I am sure I don't like"

Most people would have a hard time admitting that one.

Convincing ourselves that we always have a choice should be our new mantra. ;)
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If there are no differences between good and evil, what is the essential use of the conscience of man? Is it another word for the higher self, the expanded self or it is just a useless checker of my ego and consciousness? Please let me understand.I know things may be evil but the end result maybe for good. But is the good I see, also the good for the others.Would the good for the others takes precedent over the goodness that I feel. I thought I would take care of my improvement first before I can look out for others.
I hope I make sense. But everything is like one vicious cycle of one another.
If love is not a feeling, then what drives one towards service to others? Is it the conscience or the love unfeeling for others; sort of a cycle that's meaningless because there is only one self existing??. Pardon if this is a chaotic question.Thank you.
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Before I answer, can you tell me of your definition of 'conscience'? Thanks :)
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For me, conscience is my inner sense of right and wrong. My actions, my intentions are dictated by my inner voice. I may have impure thoughts or did wrong but mostly its the guide that makes me grounded, feel guilty and be remorseful.Thank you:)
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Would others have the same inner sense of right and wrong?
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All of the above is a great reminder. In every moment we make choices that shape the reality we experience. We do choose the systems which we operate in. And have a choice to opt out, take a different path.

You make it sound so easy. :)

I’ve tried to follow my intuition throughout my life. Made the best decisions I could with the information I had at the time. My kids aren’t vaccinated. They are older now and some of the physically healthiest ones of their peers with sharp minds. We didn’t have tv for a decade, limited screen access, no social media, only got phones once in high school, have grown food, raised animals, have clean water and live rurally. We tried to instill these more natural rhythms into their reality.

The world my friends are raising their toddlers in now is way different even from when my kids were young. My 2 pieces of advice to other parents as children get older, are: no social media and have parental controls on their devices.

You’re right. We have a lot more control over our reality creation than we acknowledge. Sometimes, even a little bit of change is the hardest step to make. Old habits die hard.

"I actually choose the things I am sure I don't like"

Most people would have a hard time admitting that one.

Convincing ourselves that we always have a choice should be our new mantra. ;)
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It sounds like you've learned how to 'navigate the noise' all ready :)

But sometimes our 'old habits' that are difficult to change are not old habits at all, but new ones (such as others using social media to help raise children).
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"I actually choose the things I am sure I don't like"

There are a couple of ways of looking at this.

One could say, "I didn't choose to experience hitting my toe against the bed,"

and while that may not have been a conscious decision, we are talking more about interpretations of reality on a deeper level, so to speak.

What you are experiencing you are interpreting. There is no one else interpreting reality for you, and nothing that 'makes' you interpret something in a certain way.

We may not think we 'choose' to experience something, but who else is 'choosing' how to interpret things?

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"I actually choose the things I am sure I don't like"

There are a couple of ways of looking at this.

One could say, "I didn't choose to experience hitting my toe against the bed,"

and while that may not have been a conscious decision, we are talking more about interpretations of reality on a deeper level, so to speak.

What are experiencing you are interpreting. There is no one else interpreting reality for you, and nothing that 'makes' you interpret something in a certain way.

We may not think we 'choose' to experience something, but who else is 'choosing' how to interpret things?
 Quoting: Taom


Any advice on how to ‘chose’ to feel differently about certain things that lie far beneath the surface? Or how to decide which things we should apply this to?

I find that even with a relatively high level of self awareness, it’s hard to shift my core it seems to be a life long battle.
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I think I was able to decipher the first two or three clues, with a slightly different route of thinking. So thanks for some inspiration.


Any thoughts on:

"From there it's no place for the meek, The end is ever drawing nigh; There'll be no paddle up your creek, Just heavy loads and water high."

???
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When Maria shows you insights, how does your awareness differentiates between Maria's communication and other metaphysical source? And could you give an example of how your awareness improved with Maria?

Do you communicate back as if you are telepathically sending messages back and forth? Or metaphysical world acts third party message holder and info is exchange when you have the key/ right interpretation?

I think we all have access to the metaphysical world and are unknowingly using it, but how do I navigate/interpret certain type of information? Anything I can think of is from metaphysical world but how far can i go?

These experiences with Maria are not all 'out-of-body-experience' but they could be. I am more interested to gain knowledge on the metaphysical world awareness.

I just reread your 'contact lens' experiment and will keep it in focus over next couple days. I like this picture, the frog is focused with eyes closed and its inversion reflection has its eyes opened. [link to hemi-sync.com (secure)]

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Hi Taom!

I have about ten pages to catch up on, so this might have been mentioned, but does our 1800s cover-up time frame have to do with Chaol's world split around the Industrial Revolution? I'm curious about the parallels between each of our events hmm
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Hope everyone had a nice Valentine's Day, whether with someone or not. (I've had some of my best Valentine's alone watching a movie, eating well, and doing whatever the hell I wanted lol)

Will respond more shortly
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My perspective...Awesome insight!!!
Thank You.
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My perspective...Awesome insight!!!
Thank You.
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What about the gender inversion of Chaol to Maria? Is that AOC chaos?
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...

I think that was the time that people on the other Earth realized that the two worlds were connected, but there's not much about the second Earth I can see for myself (only what Maria shows me)
 Quoting: Taom


Are you and Maria the only earth 1, earth 2 pair, that are communicating?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

I'm not sure, but I feel these communications might be increasing.
 Quoting: Taom


So everyone who spoke to OP account Chaol was speaking to Maria every single time? and every single response was Maria typing?
 Quoting: LKing


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In other news, qmetaphysics.com is offline. Somebody apparently forgot to pay for it.

Check for yourself:
[link to www.qmetaphysics.com]

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In other news, qmetaphysics.com is offline. Somebody apparently forgot to pay for it.

Check for yourself:
[link to www.qmetaphysics.com]
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Okay, I read it. I am amazed you put in the post that we will get to the point where we wont' know what to believe. I've said that so many times, LOL!

So, since the conspiracy is our illusion, then why wouldn't we want to know we are the actors?
 Quoting: Unit3

Such a realization would place most of us out of our comfort zone.

To think that things are not what is thought there are.

But, perhaps more importantly, that you are responsible for all of it.
 Quoting: Chaol


wait what

I thought the repsonse was to:

Why wouldn't you want us to realize the actors in our world?
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"I actually choose the things I am sure I don't like"

There are a couple of ways of looking at this.

One could say, "I didn't choose to experience hitting my toe against the bed,"

and while that may not have been a conscious decision, we are talking more about interpretations of reality on a deeper level, so to speak.

What are experiencing you are interpreting. There is no one else interpreting reality for you, and nothing that 'makes' you interpret something in a certain way.

We may not think we 'choose' to experience something, but who else is 'choosing' how to interpret things?
 Quoting: Taom


Any advice on how to ‘chose’ to feel differently about certain things that lie far beneath the surface?
 Quoting: OTR

You mean, like a deeply-held belief? Or...?

Or how to decide which things we should apply this to?
 Quoting: OTR

I'm not sure how it would work for others, but for me I tend to apply this to things that I resist, don't like, or hate.

More than applying it to specific things it can be applied to one's outlook on life (applying to things in general).

I find that even with a relatively high level of self awareness, it’s hard to shift my core it seems to be a life long battle.
 Quoting: OTR

How would you know if you have a high level of self-awareness?

Is it possible we're not aware of as much of ourselves as we might think?
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I think I was able to decipher the first two or three clues, with a slightly different route of thinking. So thanks for some inspiration.


Any thoughts on:

"From there it's no place for the meek, The end is ever drawing nigh; There'll be no paddle up your creek, Just heavy loads and water high."

???
 Quoting: The Becomingest 75380804

I'm not sure, but it sounds like a cave.

I could only guess, as I wouldn't want to 'cheat' by using more powerful ways of deciphering.

It seems like a fun challenge, though :)
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What kind of 'local' experiment can I do to experience insights from Maria?

After all media → glp non local been feeding me information about this and that.

How can I experience upper earth or metaphysical insights that prove to me metaphysical is real and is part of the physical.

Upper earth / Maria / does not exist until I observed it then it actually exists.

Until then it remains a concept.
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When Maria shows you insights, how does your awareness differentiates between Maria's communication and other metaphysical source?
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She rarely shows me anything. She expects me to figure things out by myself, mostly.

However, when I communicate with her it's just like talking to someone in my everyday experience.

When I access things more directly, it is like I am adding 2+2+5+7-2-3+2 in my mind, for example, but using structures instead of numbers. And at each step I am experiencing the result of the structures being added together and walk through it, look around, etc.

And could you give an example of how your awareness improved with Maria?
 Quoting: SpawnX

Improved with? You mean, from when I didn't know anything about Chaol/Maria? And, do you mean normal awareness, or...?

Do you communicate back as if you are telepathically sending messages back and forth? Or metaphysical world acts third party message holder and info is exchange when you have the key/ right interpretation?
 Quoting: SpawnX

It's just like regular communication. It doesn't seem like telepathy, though.

I think we all have access to the metaphysical world and are unknowingly using it, but how do I navigate/interpret certain type of information?
 Quoting: SpawnX

Everything is the metaphysical world, including the physical (which is a part of it).

The information you seek is part of the physical world and can be accessed from it.

Imagine all of the things we sense but ignore (most of what we sense). It's there, but we don't consider it relative to our experience.

Take the scene where you are right now and observe as much as you can of it. Notice what you didn't notice before. Forget about color and texture and focus more on how the different shapes around you feel to your senses.

Begin to realize that these things are in your mind. You're not sensing externally, but internally. How do the shapes move in your mind? Does one slowly morph into an other?

I think once you start making more of a link between conscious thoughts and metaphysical reality, you can sense more of it.

All of it is there now. We just rarely see any reason to think about it.

For me, it was a necessity.

Anything I can think of is from metaphysical world but how far can i go?
 Quoting: SpawnX

As far as you can think.

These experiences with Maria are not all 'out-of-body-experience' but they could be. I am more interested to gain knowledge on the metaphysical world awareness.
 Quoting: SpawnX

The key is the physical world that we mostly ignore.

I just reread your 'contact lens' experiment and will keep it in focus over next couple days. I like this picture, the frog is focused with eyes closed and its inversion reflection has its eyes opened. [link to hemi-sync.com (secure)]
 Quoting: SpawnX

Yes.. the point of the exercise was to realize how easy it is for thoughts to manipulate physical reality. It's a starting point, and the rest is up to you :)
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