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Pastor John Gray defends $200K Lamborghini

 
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Gray, who is a Cincinnati native, also remains an associate pastor at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston while taking the lead at Relentless. Gray has control of the assets of the Greenville church, its vision, and the future of its ministry.

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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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fuck yeh.

fleece the schmucks.
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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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^^that^^
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judethe 2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
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Pastor is doing his JOB like everybody else and get paid for his services just like Hillary's speaking fee.

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How did someone fit it into the collection tray?

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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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they are globalist plants and most likely demons in the flesh.
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Every time a bell rings a pastor’s wife gets a Lamborghini.

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I voted no.

Why?

Because it was purchased using the donations of people to the church. People give those donations to be spent for the benefit of those who need help.

I do not expect pastors to live in poverty, but a lambo is over the top. He helps run a megachurch -- that is a lot of work and responsibility. What would have been so wrong with a nice luxury SUV, or if he had to have a sports car, may a corvette or something a little less in your face to parishoners than a lambo??

Seriously, I can afford a lambo, if I wanted one, but what a stupid, new/borrowed money attitude waste. It's why so many new money types, end up no money eventually -- stupid choices. You will rarely see old money in a lambo, unless they just rented the damn thing for fun.
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LOL... 15% said yes... are they so called Christians by chance?
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He bought it for his WIFE
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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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Thank You for pin and GLP never fails to have right answer , much love.hf
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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

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Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
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Gray, who is a Cincinnati native, also remains an associate pastor at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston while taking the lead at Relentless. Gray has control of the assets of the Greenville church, its vision, and the future of its ministry.

[link to www.khou.com (secure)]




Jesus was born in a manager and rode a donkey!


Matthew 19:30
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
 Quoting: Goofy for God


Pastor is making a racket off the poor most probably.
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Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

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I voted no.

Why?

Because it was purchased using the donations of people to the church. People give those donations to be spent for the benefit of those who need help.

I do not expect pastors to live in poverty, but a lambo is over the top. He helps run a megachurch -- that is a lot of work and responsibility. What would have been so wrong with a nice luxury SUV, or if he had to have a sports car, may a corvette or something a little less in your face to parishoners than a lambo??

Seriously, I can afford a lambo, if I wanted one, but what a stupid, new/borrowed money attitude waste. It's why so many new money types, end up no money eventually -- stupid choices. You will rarely see old money in a lambo, unless they just rented the damn thing for fun.
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Agree , I am happy when someone can have nice things. Church money should never be used in this way. I would wager many in that Congregation is struggling just to have heat this winter.

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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


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Gray, who is a Cincinnati native, also remains an associate pastor at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston while taking the lead at Relentless. Gray has control of the assets of the Greenville church, its vision, and the future of its ministry.

[link to www.khou.com (secure)]




Jesus was born in a manager and rode a donkey!


Matthew 19:30
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
 Quoting: Goofy for God


Pastor is making a racket off the poor most probably.
 Quoting: AnonymousCoward2.0


Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

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Amen
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Gray, who is a Cincinnati native, also remains an associate pastor at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston while taking the lead at Relentless. Gray has control of the assets of the Greenville church, its vision, and the future of its ministry.

[link to www.khou.com (secure)]




Jesus was born in a manager and rode a donkey!


Matthew 19:30
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
 Quoting: Goofy for God


Pastor is making a racket off the poor most probably.
 Quoting: AnonymousCoward2.0


Fuck em when they are guilible.Whoever invented this crap is a genius.Romans etc...
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LOL... 15% said yes... are they so called Christians by chance?
 Quoting: rosicrucian1


5% and 80% no
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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


hidingAirport wow
 Quoting: Goofy for God


Well it is not a working airport per se , but it still is a airport ! And I think he has a Cessna Citation Jet.
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I think what that pastor doesn't understand yet is:

1. As a Manager, you are going to be held responsible for those under you.

If the people that go to his church donated that money to God, to help other people, and to keep the church running, and he awards it to himself... God is going to hold him personally responsible for stealing from him.

I wouldn't want to be that guy.

You can tell when someone is not close to God because they desire that stuff. When you get close to God and understand what's going on, you only want the basic necessities and have no desire for riches or power because this is not your permanent home and it's nothing compared to heaven.

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1. Life - The Constructor (God)
2. Love - A System of Self Regulation (the system of God)
3. Law - The Definition of the Boundaries of Love.
4. Death - The Deconstructor (A Lifeless and Unkillable entity designed to protect Life from entities that violate the system of Love, taking those that perform evoL away from Life. Built as the ultimate protector of God it is a Machine.)
5. Competition - The System of Self Regulation of Death (A system divided against itself in which every entity is a victim of another in competition to win)

... and Death not having Love, or it would not take entities away from Life, was instead given a definition of it... Law... and as a watcher, with its army... uses it to identify Anti-Love, reporting to God seeking Authority to act against the violator. But it violated the Law itself by Competing against God... acting without His permission... to protect itself from the new mechanism of protection built to replace it (Love)... by tempting Eve... re-attaching her to the 'Tree of Knowledge' hive mind so she would know 'Law' and be held accountable for her every action, creating an infinite source of Life for itself, and a reason to persist, through her offspring, those who owe the debt of Life as the payment for evoL.

The Muslims call this entity... All-Law... the Law enforcer... and they worship it...they say their leader will manifest himself through the chaos they generate... but its actually Death that God throws down to earth to rule over them.

Creation, the soil in which the seed of the original action of Satan is grown into its fullness so each branch and its every fruit fully viewed and understood can be rightfully judged, and 'Time' the mechanism that forces the calculation to reach its conclusion. The 'Mercy' phase, between violation, and life taken, where the violator can ask for forgiveness, the Army of Death performed Anti-Love (evoL) to humans in their charge, violating Law. Satan will be imprisoned for his action for 1000 years, while the earth is restarted, where after those years, released only to perform evoL again for the second time convicting him to deconstruction. Having no life of his own to take as payment, Satan becomes the lake of fire that burns forever as he attempts to enforce the Law upon himself and his Army.
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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


You all do understand that these pastors pay next to nothing in income taxes, and property taxes?

The church, a tax free "entity" owns almost all this stuff.

If I really wanted to be a tax cheat, I could take the weekend training to become a "strip mall pastor", then place everything I own under my "church". Heck, maybe I will do that in conjunction with getting my international yoga certification in 2019?? I will be a spiritual "minister"(sarcasm).

Le sigh .... it all pisses me off.
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LOL... 15% said yes... are they so called Christians by chance?
 Quoting: rosicrucian1


5% and 80% no
 Quoting: Goofy for God


my correction below:

it says 85% no and 15% do not object...

5% so far are saying Yes outright, but get this 10% say it is okay if the congregation has no needs...

Christ was a non-materialist.

He died on the cross and was resurrected to prove that an after life existed to his followers.

I would not expect anyone to live as he did in this modern world... but ostentatious consumption is not Christian.

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well at least he wasn't fucking kids like most pastors.
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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


You all do understand that these pastors pay next to nothing in income taxes, and property taxes?

The church, a tax free "entity" owns almost all this stuff.

If I really wanted to be a tax cheat, I could take the weekend training to become a "strip mall pastor", then place everything I own under my "church". Heck, maybe I will do that in conjunction with getting my international yoga certification in 2019?? I will be a spiritual "minister"(sarcasm).

Le sigh .... it all pisses me off.
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Good Point why not own a airport if you don't have to pay tax on the property .
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Gray, who is a Cincinnati native, also remains an associate pastor at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston while taking the lead at Relentless. Gray has control of the assets of the Greenville church, its vision, and the future of its ministry.

[link to www.khou.com (secure)]




Jesus was born in a manager and rode a donkey!


Matthew 19:30
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
 Quoting: Goofy for God


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