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Pastor John Gray defends $200K Lamborghini

 
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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


I also voted no.

Look at this pastor. He owns a collectible Jumbo Jet, a Boeing 747SP.

I only knew him because of the plane. The man is mega-rich.

Ernest Angley

Ernest Angley's ministry operates a Boeing 747SP, named Star Triple Seven[5] and bearing registration P4-FSH,[6] which it uses to transport missionaries and humanitarian aid internationally.[7] The P4- tail number denotes that the aircraft is registered in Aruba.

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This used to be a former Dubai Air Wing aircraft (royal fleet).

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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


You all do understand that these pastors pay next to nothing in income taxes, and property taxes?

The church, a tax free "entity" owns almost all this stuff.

If I really wanted to be a tax cheat, I could take the weekend training to become a "strip mall pastor", then place everything I own under my "church". Heck, maybe I will do that in conjunction with getting my international yoga certification in 2019?? I will be a spiritual "minister"(sarcasm).

Le sigh .... it all pisses me off.
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Good Point why not own a airport if you don't have to pay tax on the property .
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Exactly. Get your weekend "ordination" cert, then put your house, cars, investment, BTC, whatever in a trust under the name of your "church" (of course, you own the trust in its entirety). Then I could have Mr. LJS donate his entire gross income to my "church" -- he takes a full charitable deduction, owing nothing, and we get everything tax free -- including if I chose to cash out an investment for something.

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If your spouse's life long dream is to own a lambo, then you married the wrong person.

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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


I also voted no.

Look at this pastor. He owns a collectible Jumbo Jet, a Boeing 747SP.

I only knew him because of the plane. The man is mega-rich.

Ernest Angley

Ernest Angley's ministry operates a Boeing 747SP, named Star Triple Seven[5] and bearing registration P4-FSH,[6] which it uses to transport missionaries and humanitarian aid internationally.[7] The P4- tail number denotes that the aircraft is registered in Aruba.

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look at the logo on the plane... it is a star 13.3 degrees turned...
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Lamborghini? That's small time. There is a pastor near me who owns his own airport. With a Private Jet and a few other planes. The Airport his ministry is built on was a old Air Force Base. You could land Air Force One there LOL!

Kenneth Copeland.

Of course I voted no. If he wanted a brand new car for his wife a 80k chevy tahoe is just as good as a Italian SUV.
 Quoting: Schloss Meerblick


You all do understand that these pastors pay next to nothing in income taxes, and property taxes?

The church, a tax free "entity" owns almost all this stuff.

If I really wanted to be a tax cheat, I could take the weekend training to become a "strip mall pastor", then place everything I own under my "church". Heck, maybe I will do that in conjunction with getting my international yoga certification in 2019?? I will be a spiritual "minister"(sarcasm).

Le sigh .... it all pisses me off.
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These people are devout Luciferians. That's how and why they're "allowed" to do the things they're capable of doing. It's one of many reasons why I avoid these so called Christian leaders since they're all Corrupt.
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I’m sure the poor people who need food or medicine will be happy to know the pastors wife is super happy driving a SUV worth more then most houses
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real Lamborghinis have 12-cylinder engines and doors that open in a scissor fashion (distinct from gullwing). This pastor should be strung up for being such a rank, gauche poseur.
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The poll question was: "Should A Pastor Teaching Jesus Have Such Luxury?"

I voted no but want to add an idea that lightens my world.

I've given up on the word "should".

The fact is he does and he will. No amount of "should" will change this.

I only use "should" for my own behavior now. It keeps me saner, and I think it helps me see the world as it is.

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If people are dumb enough to give money to such wasteful people, then so be it. They aren't part of the Elect anyway.
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Whether the church can afford it or not does not change the perception this plants in the minds of the saved or unsaved. Just the "appearance" leaves a bad taste and for that reason alone they should know better.

I would also like to mention, while many like to beat up on Mark Taylor.. he is the only man I have heard who dares to call into question the whole 501c3 situation and how churches are literally corporations whose allegiance is more to the government than to God. He also has mentioned a very interesting agreement many thousands of pastors have signed onto, which in effect says that they (pastors) will turn over their flock (give up names) if so required by law. I can't remember the name for this but it was an eye opener to hear such a thing existed.

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I think it's disgraceful. People give to the ministries to help spread the gospel and to help others, not to enrich the pastors/evangelists.

Kenneth COpeland says he is a Billionaire. That is at least 1000 Million $. They take from the poor and buy airplanes and expensive cars and houses. I not going to say that they are worse in their standing with God than me, They surely aren't, but I think it's wrong.

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Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!
Gimme a break.
Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

Nah, the problem is the goobermint...Unknown AC.


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Gray, who is a Cincinnati native, also remains an associate pastor at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston while taking the lead at Relentless. Gray has control of the assets of the Greenville church, its vision, and the future of its ministry.

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No, a car is transportation and there are plenty of other less expensive cars that can do the speed limit quite well.

I know a pastor with a helicopter, but, this pastor has three different locations in different cities he preaches at on the same day so I understand him needing to get somewhere quickly.
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A fool and his money. Stupid is as stupid does?
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Perhaps the man sitting on the golden throne in the palace situated in the prived walled off city can give some advice.
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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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^^that^^
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^^^THIS X2^^^
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Gray, who is a Cincinnati native, also remains an associate pastor at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston while taking the lead at Relentless. Gray has control of the assets of the Greenville church, its vision, and the future of its ministry.

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Matthew 19:30
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
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No, a car is transportation and there are plenty of other less expensive cars that can do the speed limit quite well.

I know a pastor with a helicopter, but, this pastor has three different locations in different cities he preaches at on the same day so I understand him needing to get somewhere quickly.
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He maybe a blessed speaker, but nobody can "pastor" 3 churches at the same time.
Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!
Gimme a break.
Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

Nah, the problem is the goobermint...Unknown AC.


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Late at night when I'm driving
Take me on board their beautiful ship
Show me the world as I'd love to see it
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They'd think that I'd finally lost it completely
I'd show them the stars and the meaning of life
They'd shut me away
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I’m not at all surprised to see Joel Osteens name mentioned.
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If your spouse's life long dream is to own a lambo, then you married the wrong person.
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What about the freaking pope, he has lots of goodies.. Planes, pope mobile, and other things we don't know about..
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Gray, who is a Cincinnati native, also remains an associate pastor at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston while taking the lead at Relentless. Gray has control of the assets of the Greenville church, its vision, and the future of its ministry.

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Jesus was born in a manager and rode a donkey!


Matthew 19:30
But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
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Religion: a joke no one gets.
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I voted no even though he probably got the $ for the car from his book sales and not the collection bucket.

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Ferrari = For Ra eye.

Its makes perfect sense. They are all worshipping Amen Ra.

So he need a "For Ra Eye".

I vote "YES".
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and it better be a red "For Ra Eye", the colour red for el diablo.
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Ferrari = For Ra eye.

Its makes perfect sense. They are all worshipping Amen Ra.

So he need a "For Ra Eye".

I vote "YES".
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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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^^that^^
 Quoting: Carol B.


^^^THIS X2^^^
 Quoting: S.O.S.


MOAR X3 horn2
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"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.

- Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure; one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller

"The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries... We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller

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I’m not at all surprised to see Joel Osteens name mentioned.
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WWJD = What Would Jesus Drive
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An ass...
The number one and two participants in the Oppression Olympics? The SJWs and Feminists.

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.

- Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure; one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller

"The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries... We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller

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WWJD = What Would Jesus Drive
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An ass...
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Yup