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Pastor John Gray defends $200K Lamborghini

 
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Gray, who is a Cincinnati native, also remains an associate pastor at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church in Houston while taking the lead at Relentless. Gray has control of the assets of the Greenville church, its vision, and the future of its ministry.

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He forgets the verse about collecting money for teaching God's Word... It's Condemnation...

Preachers Don't Teach It...

He Condemned Himself Long Ago...
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Thank you for the thread, Goofy! I love you.

At the bottom of this, we see that love of money is a root of evil. His ministry breathes it. People are jealous and offended about it. Others, that have more money than they should, can see how this is a vile act and they proceed to judge. Evil breeds evil. One dark stone cast into the pond creates many ripples. As it has been pointed out, this is just a small example of what goes on today in churches. Nevermind governments, for now.

Imagine if this man used that money to buy a house for a needy family that was left behind after a vet committed suicide. Not only would several lives see the end of a struggle, but good and light spread faster and deeper than evil. Instead of creating jealousy and contempt, the warm feelings of love and generosity would pass through the community. Truly, to be better we must give more, use less, and learn why through avenues like this thread. It’s getting very late, but there is still some time to change.



Father, thank you for making our false teachers more recognizable. Help us to show a new path to those bound in greed and materialism. Let them trust that you will provide what is needed each day. Thank you for every blessing, especially Lamborghinis. All of us(your faithful children on GLP) were hoping for one and/or the destruction of the banking system this year so that we may begin to see your Kingdom on Earth. Please don’t burn us for being cheeky. We love you more than words can describe. We are ready to clean house for you.

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"Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church", all one needed to see to know God was not involved.

John Gray ain't a pastor, he's your typical carnal American Christian who wants his best life now, God can wait.
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I voted no.

Why?

Because it was purchased using the donations of people to the church. People give those donations to be spent for the benefit of those who need help.

I do not expect pastors to live in poverty, but a lambo is over the top. He helps run a megachurch -- that is a lot of work and responsibility. What would have been so wrong with a nice luxury SUV, or if he had to have a sports car, may a corvette or something a little less in your face to parishoners than a lambo??

Seriously, I can afford a lambo, if I wanted one, but what a stupid, new/borrowed money attitude waste. It's why so many new money types, end up no money eventually -- stupid choices. You will rarely see old money in a lambo, unless they just rented the damn thing for fun.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


People who know how to hang on to wealth and power for generations aren't generally foolish enough to be showy about it. The signs of wealth are obvious to those in the club...no advertising is needed.

That pastor is showing off, not a good look for someone in that line of work. He could have bought a nice SUV and used the rest to develop an after school enrichment program for needy kids, maybe changed someone's life. Instead he feeds his ego. Shame.
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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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and where did Jesus say hate your fellow man and hope the military kills them at the border?
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Joel Osteen gave a job to one of the members of The Death Camp once. I have grilled him extensively, as it was a maintenance job that allowed him access to all areas. He didn't see any coke, meth labs or people in chains. Odd sort of church.
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These people are parasites leeching money from people who don't have it to give...stupid low iq people who believe the shit and the antics that these charlatans bring forth in their mega church events. Staged theatrics that some believe to be miracles and ultimately manifests into false hope. They make me sick.
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Staged theatrics that some believe to be miracles and ultimately manifests into false hope. They make me sick.
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I try to remember this principle; those who absolve themselves and condemn others, God condemns. Those who condemn themselves and absolve others, God absolves. Having said that, there is something that seems unsavory about this.
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I’m not at all surprised to see Joel Osteens name mentioned.
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That's exactly what I was thinking. I've never understood how so many Christians can be hoodwinked by that guy.

This is the minister of my church. Despite our mega-church being as financially healthy as Osteen's, Pastor Jud's family lives a very simple life. All of the church's money is used to support it's many ministries.

I'm grateful to have such a Godly man teach me weekly.

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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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I try to remember this principle; those who absolve themselves and condemn others, God condemns. Those who condemn themselves and absolve others, God absolves. Having said that, there is something that seems unsavory about this.
 Quoting: Hoon1016


What does he do if you absolve others and yourself because it would be a form of hubris not to do so? How can I say I am any better than them, and if they don't know what they are doing I can't either?
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Did the money come from the church or an away from the church job? If from the church, the parishioners are idiots. If from a non ministry job, then as long as it was was earned morally. It's no ones business.
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What about the freaking pope, he has lots of goodies.. Planes, pope mobile, and other things we don't know about..
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Only he does not own any of them. He is only making use of them for the time he is a Pope.

They are the same planes and Pope mobiles as the two Popes before him.

This one lives together with other priests in a boarding house. He has his own room but the other Popes resided in the Papal apartments.

The pastors own the Lamborghini, helicopter and Jumbo Jet.

The Popes own nothing.

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I voted no.

Why?

Because it was purchased using the donations of people to the church. People give those donations to be spent for the benefit of those who need help.

I do not expect pastors to live in poverty, but a lambo is over the top. He helps run a megachurch -- that is a lot of work and responsibility. What would have been so wrong with a nice luxury SUV, or if he had to have a sports car, may a corvette or something a little less in your face to parishoners than a lambo??

Seriously, I can afford a lambo, if I wanted one, but what a stupid, new/borrowed money attitude waste. It's why so many new money types, end up no money eventually -- stupid choices. You will rarely see old money in a lambo, unless they just rented the damn thing for fun.
 Quoting: Lady Jane Smith


I'd like to count how many homeless people are near the very churches where he pastors. How many hungry? How many veterans on the street? How many children needing life-changing surgery and no insurance? How many slums families are forced to live in due to inadequate income to afford adequate housing?

I'm no more impressed by this Lamborghini than I am by the "crystal cathedral".
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Thank You for participating hf
Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.
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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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You are right Jake.
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I voted NO, just because. Osteen gives me the creeps BTW.
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He needs to respond rapidly to parishioners in spiritual need?
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Any individual who accepts the responsibility as a religious leader MUST understand the influence factor.

For a Christian to flaunt wealth buy purchasing an absolute luxury item says to me they do not have the true spirit of Christ in them. As a leader you are attempting to guide and influence people in the ways of a Christian. This is certainly his privilege, but not a wise choice.
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Any individual who accepts the responsibility as a religious leader MUST understand the influence factor.

For a Christian to flaunt wealth buy purchasing an absolute luxury item says to me they do not have the true spirit of Christ in them. As a leader you are attempting to guide and influence people in the ways of a Christian. This is certainly his privilege, but not a wise choice.
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hf

King Solomon told us about this he had more than Lamborghinis
Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.
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Pastor John Gray defiantly defends buying wife $200K Lamborghini with Ephesians 5

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Pastor John Gray defiantly defends buying wife $200K Lamborghini with Ephesians 5

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Ephesians 5
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.


This is in Ephesians 5 as well
Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.
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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
 Quoting: jake


^^that^^
 Quoting: Carol B.


if you give all your money and possessions to the poor , wont they have the problem of a rich man ? camel through the eye of a needle and all that stuff? so wont you be hurting a poor man by giving them your stuff ?
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"If you want to be perfect," Jesus said to him, "go, sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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^^that^^
 Quoting: Carol B.


if you give all your money and possessions to the poor , wont they have the problem of a rich man ? camel through the eye of a needle and all that stuff? so wont you be hurting a poor man by giving them your stuff ?
 Quoting: NickDick


Yes.

Wise of you to see it that way.

Money corrupts, and the love of money is the root of all evil, according to Jesus.

I'd give it all away for Jesus, but I could never leave my family as the apostles did.
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I have a problem with ‘pastors.’ I’ve seen pastors, belonging to a motorcycle organization turn up each year with a new bagger. I lived beside a pastor recently, who was a piece of shit, and do believe that the stress from that caused my cancer to recur. This jerk was over in India, living the life of royalty with servants changing their bedding, made meals, etc. all nearly free of any living costs. Decides to return to Canada with his wife after adopting a couple of ‘diverse’ kids…and moving in with his widowed mother – next door. She already had a single son living there so the front of our house looks like a parking lot. Sometimes parking illegally on the wrong side of the street, which really triggered me. They were always there for meals but they never helped clean up. The widow also had a married daughter with two babies and the son-in-law was always bbqing for everyone. This went on for a year until the widow got fed up with all the cooking and no help with yard work – so she put her house up for sale. I happened to find an ad for sale that belonged to the pastor, and discovered he had bought the house and was advertising a garage sale, accordingly. Me and Hubby were really disgusted as we had just bought out ‘retirement home’ with the knowledge that both side neighbours were retired/quiet as well.

Both the pastor and his wife had vehicles, one with Flow-master exhaust and they would idle in their driveway which was close to our bedroom window – for lengthy periods, even in summer. Thankfully, the jerk was quite apt at buying used vehicles at auction, driving them for a bit and then flipping for a better model. Meanwhile we did a property search and he didn’t buy anything, his in-laws did! They were interesting, especially the mother who was associated with a orphanage charity over in India, thus able to drive a beautiful Toyota Infinity SUV and her husband a Tesla.

The pastor tried to be friends with us but we can’t fake our feelings and our zero tolerance for bullshit. Guess he didn’t like being snubbed and his emotional maturity of a 15 year old broke out. Immediately started throwing his kitchen garbage out beside his back patio which faced our bedroom window. One morning there was a flock of two dozen crows…having breakfast with garbage. Yes, Alfred Hitchcock bad! It was reported to the city and I was informed that a $300 fine was issued. That’s when the harassment started!

Meanwhile his hair and beard were always professionally groomed, wife had the acrylic nails, jewelry, etc. The property slowly deteriorated…while he’s making 2 -3 trips BACK to India, staying free with his flock AND motorcycle trips too! I totally changed my opinion of all organized religion! We received a Christmas card from the in-laws by mistake – they have a ‘vila’ in Florida, along with a beautiful big home in town! Religion pays! Charity pays! Orphanages…pays?!
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if you give all your money and possessions to the poor, wont they have the problem of a rich man?
 Quoting: NickDick
Give it to the middle class that have been robbed poor.
We know how to put it to good use and see through the lies of the "chosen."

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Remember Joyce Meyer who got upset when another lady got a new mink coat and she did not when she had been praying for one?

Ranked female pastors she is number 25 look through the ranking ones, she is on the bottom number 25.
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You can take that up with God when you see him. Go extort old people for their money some more, I'm sure God likes that shit.