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T-X 2000 (OP) User ID: 69414450 ![]() 12/18/2018 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is there a hierarchical link to the ancient Apostolic Christian church (Christ's actual church)? Thought a little more info on the fundamental beliefs of the Eastern Orthodox might be in order: [link to www.goarch.org (secure)] What do I want? Desire's irrelevant.. I'm a machine. Your rhetoric will collapse in the wake of hyper-realism, as will your pointless resistance to my ultra-conservative pro-Trump agenda. Your pain is my gain. Your tears are my nectar. Your voice ..mine to suppress into nothingness. I'll ratwhip yer ignorant ass into submission like an eagle pulverizes a worm to regurgitate into its young. I live to crush the skulls of snowflakes, liberals, and the globalist 'elite' -- to so discombobulate their reality, they wish instead I'd merely tore their heads off and ripped out their spines. Resistance being pointless, their only option's to slit their damn throat. |
wisconsin User ID: 77208266 ![]() 12/18/2018 07:02 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is there a hierarchical link to the ancient Apostolic Christian church (Christ's actual church)? . ... I watched a vid of an aramaic church ... and it looked EXACTLY what I have seen in the western roman catholic service ... . ... no difference ... . ... so think we have to go farther back to the synagogues of Yeshua's time ... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
T-X 2000 (OP) User ID: 75707927 ![]() 01/04/2019 05:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is there a hierarchical link to the ancient Apostolic Christian church (Christ's actual church)? . Quoting: wisconsin ... I watched a vid of an aramaic church ... and it looked EXACTLY what I have seen in the western roman catholic service ... . ... no difference ... . ... so think we have to go farther back to the synagogues of Yeshua's time ... . The differences are too subtle for video to convey to the layperson's mind, and it's not just the liturgy where there's these differences. What do I want? Desire's irrelevant.. I'm a machine. Your rhetoric will collapse in the wake of hyper-realism, as will your pointless resistance to my ultra-conservative pro-Trump agenda. Your pain is my gain. Your tears are my nectar. Your voice ..mine to suppress into nothingness. I'll ratwhip yer ignorant ass into submission like an eagle pulverizes a worm to regurgitate into its young. I live to crush the skulls of snowflakes, liberals, and the globalist 'elite' -- to so discombobulate their reality, they wish instead I'd merely tore their heads off and ripped out their spines. Resistance being pointless, their only option's to slit their damn throat. |
GLP Effect User ID: 76318428 ![]() 01/04/2019 05:30 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is there a hierarchical link to the ancient Apostolic Christian church (Christ's actual church)? OP the Orthodox claim apostolic succession because prior to the schism of 1054, there was only one Catholic church. They broke away from Rome. Rome traces itself back to Christ through apostolic succession of the popes. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] You can find historical Catholic writings going back to the first century at this link. [link to www.historyandapologetics.com] Pray this prayer to blind Satan: [link to flameoflove.us (secure)] |
Ozicell User ID: 77225748 ![]() 01/04/2019 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is there a hierarchical link to the ancient Apostolic Christian church (Christ's actual church)? The focus should rather be not on a church or denomination as it is commonly preached, but Jesus Christ's church is based on Spirit and not successional hierarchy, bloodlines or anything of the like! I have been a Priest in the New Apostolic Church for over 40 years and this church claims a heritage going back to the early 19th century, which, I know is not very long for a church! However, I have also found many of its doctrinal statements to be lacking as well, so although I am still active as a priest, I am not a slave to the doctrine! The church that Jesus spoke of, was one of spirit, and not a distinct denomination. What man has made of that since - is not what Jesus had intended! Let me cite two verses from chapter 1 of John's gospel - Verses 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: and 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. It is verse 13 that I would like you to focus on and consider because He is speaking here of the 'church' which is born of God or as John would have as said as per his first epistle God is synonymous with the Spirit of Love! BTW, in verse 12 it reads 'sons of God' but read there - children of God, Family of God or as per John's other description - children of Love or Family of Love! It also refers to those who believe on His Name, so read here - believe on His Nature - which of course is the Spirit of Love, which comes from the Father - OUR Father! This is the fellowship of the Spirit that Jesus refers to as His church! For what it's worth - Simply MHO! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
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GLP Effect User ID: 76318428 ![]() 01/04/2019 06:17 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is there a hierarchical link to the ancient Apostolic Christian church (Christ's actual church)? The focus should rather be not on a church or denomination as it is commonly preached, but Jesus Christ's church is based on Spirit and not successional hierarchy, bloodlines or anything of the like! Quoting: Ozicell I have been a Priest in the New Apostolic Church for over 40 years and this church claims a heritage going back to the early 19th century, which, I know is not very long for a church! However, I have also found many of its doctrinal statements to be lacking as well, so although I am still active as a priest, I am not a slave to the doctrine! The church that Jesus spoke of, was one of spirit, and not a distinct denomination. What man has made of that since - is not what Jesus had intended! Let me cite two verses from chapter 1 of John's gospel - Verses 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: and 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. It is verse 13 that I would like you to focus on and consider because He is speaking here of the 'church' which is born of God or as John would have as said as per his first epistle God is synonymous with the Spirit of Love! BTW, in verse 12 it reads 'sons of God' but read there - children of God, Family of God or as per John's other description - children of Love or Family of Love! It also refers to those who believe on His Name, so read here - believe on His Nature - which of course is the Spirit of Love, which comes from the Father - OUR Father! This is the fellowship of the Spirit that Jesus refers to as His church! For what it's worth - Simply MHO! Well sure the body of Christ contains all believers in Christ, but we point towards churches like the Catholic church because of apostolic succession and sacramental grace. For example apostolic succession matters because Christ gave the ability to carry out valid sacraments to the original apostles and successors of those apostles carry out those same valid sacraments today. The sacrament of reconciliation (confession) for example was granted by Christ when he breathed on the apostles and gave them the ability to forgive or retain sins. The successors of the apostles (Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests) carry out that same sacrament today. We receive sacramental grace from confession. The sacrament of holy communion is only valid when carried out by an ordained Catholic priest, to other Christians it's just bread and wine, not the body and blood of Christ. Pray this prayer to blind Satan: [link to flameoflove.us (secure)] |
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DPS7 User ID: 77253362 ![]() 01/04/2019 06:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Is there a hierarchical link to the ancient Apostolic Christian church (Christ's actual church)? Like it or not, the eastern churches ADMITTED that Rome is the "first among equals". Still though all recognized the tradition that says it was PAUL who ordained the 2 popes after Peter. Peter didnt ordain... Peter was not the rock. Thus... there is no apostolic tradition, thus there is nothing to lean to when it comes to the authenticity of the NT. All christianity is capable of is bickering over who better follows the contradicting words and versions of the NT. |
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