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Why Was Jesus Born???

 
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Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


We live in a world where we have made everything we do and build for convenience , comfortable, enjoyable and keeps us from danger.
We have built an entire system to keep us from danger, from roads to experiencing danger but being safe , like a roller coaster.
There are many religions and people in general that has done away with hell. Look at us , why on earth would we even want to believe in such a thing. We certainly do not want to be reminded of it ,much less talk about it at Christmas , right ??? Some of the nicest people I know believe there is no hell. There will be many that are saying really , you are talking about hell at Christmas ,a time of fun and joy.

The birth of Jesus Christ we are suppose to be celebrating right now , we have turned into many things. We only have to go to Mall to see some of what we have done with it.
I personally love the Lights , Music and Joy this time of the year can bring.

Jesus was born , suffered , died and rose to keep us out of hell. We could not follow one rule in the Garden of Eden much less all those afterwards. We can not teach , preach or share the Birth of Jesus Christ without talking about hell ,because He did.

“Luke 3: 9And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. “

Good fruit was sharing the Whole Word of God and to keep people from being cast into the lake of fire.

The system we have created ,crept into our walks with God. God created a system to keep us from the dangers of hell fire. Jesus is very clear it is not easy , comfortable or even fun. We only have to look at His life , the life of Paul and Peter and all those before us , to see it was not an easy or fun. The pleasure and joy of this life was to be able to share the beginning and the end of the Bible and to spend eternity in Heaven. King Solomon and Jesus told us to stay away from the pleasures of this life, it got the people in trouble in the past and does now.

We have been in charge of many things for a long time. We have created all kinds of earthly pleasures and even made danger fun. We made Christmas fun and enjoyable and Easter fun and enjoyable. Where is that in Scriptures , where was it in the teachings of Jesus ?
In a time to make wishes , I wish hell was not real but it is. I wish Jesus did not have to be born in that uncomfortable manger but He was. I wish Jesus did not have to be rejected , suffer and die on that Cross to save us but He did.. These are not things we would create to keep us from the danger of hell fire or any danger.

Many nice and loving people , that do wonderful deeds are in danger of hell. Take time to really see why Jesus was born and why He went to the Cross.
We spend a lot of money, time and energy to keep our earthly bodies safe , have fun and be comfortable. We were to spend money , time and energy to keep our souls and Spirits from danger.

That is why Jesus was born... We were left the greatest gift anyone could receive , The Holy Spirit of God.” satan has whispered something else. There is nothing in a Mall or in the world that can top that gift.


“Proverbs 27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.”

Murder , suicide is in the news way to much every Christmas season, why is that? We created a system of expectation that was outside of why Jesus was born. Judas shows us what happens when we go outside of why Jesus was born, suffered , died and rose for us.

This will not be popular in our time of feel good, our feel good does not come from this world ,in fact it places us in danger. Careful loved ones , read the Birth of Jesus Christ all the way to His death and why He even came. Jesus left us a good example of hell in Luke 16, read it and tell people why Jesus was really born for us...

Mark 9 is harsh but shows us how serious our walks with God should be ,in a time satan says , pleasure , fun, comfortable and easy!
Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.
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The man that lived in the expensive house that looks like all the others and had the nice cars ,did what Judas did. Jesus was not born in a 5 star Inn with the best Doctors. Jesus did not have an earthly home for a reason. Jesus rode a donkey not the best of transportation. Jesus sent His followers out with little the world offered for a reason. If that man had understood why Jesus was born and what Christmas is really about , he would have never followed Judas , He would have followed Jesus.


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Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.
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Don't worry about Judas, he did pretty good and the most handsome of the group.

I am telling you that our Lord Jesus did asked Judas to betray him, otherwise the Roman Elites will arrest all his disciples for the Zionist if Jesus don't hand himself in.

Yeshua in Hebrew mean "to rescue and deliver". Lord Jesus did successfully rescued the lost Holy Scriptures almost destroyed by the Zionist and delivered the truth of God.
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Luke 18: 22

Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.


We can not love anything in this world we are not willing to let go of to follow , that is why He was born. He over came the world and we can as well with the Helper.

John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.



Know what waits for us is soooooo much better than all King Solomon had, no human has had more than him.
Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.
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YAHUWAH loathes the doctrine that teaches He torments forever those that don't believe - making Him into a cruel monster that punishes not destroys souls forever for sins committed in a finite life, making Him unjust.

Anathema!!!

[link to jewishnotgreek.com]

Believe What the Jewish Apostles Taught, Not What the Greek Philosophers Taught

Why Tradition about the fate of the lost, (as torment forever) is unbiblical and not hermeneutically correct.

Why Conditional Immortality is absolutely true and all unsaved souls will one day be "destroyed."

Why there is no "immortal soul" doctrine in the Bible, for the lost, at all.

Doesn't Daniel 12:2 say some will face "everlasting contempt"?

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Daniel 12:2

This verse is used constantly to prove the Traditional view. However, upon closer examination of the text, it is nowhere to be found. The Hebrew word here for "contempt" is "darone." It is very important to note that the only other time it is used in all of Tanach (The Hebrew Bible) is in Isaiah 66:24, which was discussed earlier. In Isaiah 66:24, those who have "darone" ("contempt" or "disgust") are the believers who go out and look upon the dead bodies (not living souls) of those who have been turned into ashes, cremated (2 Peter 2:6, Malachi 4:3).

It would be similar to us looking at the burned corpse of Adolf Hitler. We will always have contempt or disgust for him. Even in eternity. Isaiah 66:24 and Daniel 12:2 are inextricably linked by the same Hebrew word and that Hebrew word speaks of our contempt for the wicked, not their eternal conscious torment.

There are two emotions here, shame and contempt. It is obvious that the unsaved have the shame emotion. And it is the righteous that have the contempt emotion towards the wicked. Notice that only one of those emotions lasts forever. It is contempt, which proves that we (believers) will live forever and still feel emotion. However, nothing is said about shame being felt forever. Why? Because the wicked will be destroyed in body and soul. (Matthew 10:28).

Evangelical author William West states the same thing in his book The Resurrection and Immortality:

Strong says both contempt (Daniel 12:2) and abhorrence (Isaiah 66:24) are from the same Hebrew word. Strong's word # 1860, "To repulse, an object of aversion, abhorring, contempt." Contempt and abhorrence are the way others think about them. It does not say they will forever be conscious or in torture, but that others will forever have shame and contempt for them. It is the contempt that is said to be everlasting, not persons. How does "everlasting contempt" become "everlasting torture"?

(The Resurrection and Immortality, William West, Xulon Press, 2006)
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I talk all the time with people who think God and His loving Son cruel. There are many reasons they think this. When I was young and I first read The Bible I also marveled how God could command the death of women and children. But without understanding in the whole story you cannot find understanding into why these things had to be done.

The story of Gods love for mankind is unlike anything ever written. From the very beginning we have not trusted in God as a whole. Some found favour in the eyes of the Lord and where rewarded greatly for it.

Jesus was born into this world among some of the lowest even though he could have been born among the highest. That is no mistake. He rode a donkey because he was humble as king David also rode a donkey because he had reverence for God. People say they have no need for a saviour but I believe even they know somewhere inside themselves that is not true. These things are said in bitterness because of life in this world. Those who think they have everything really come to find they have nothing that makes them happy.

Humanity fills a void within themselves with things and pleasures. I ask those who fill this void to look inwards and ask themselves why this void exists?

We all at one point filled the void but it is only truly filled with The spirit that is The Holy Comforter through belief in Christ Jesus.

It takes nothing but to overcome your own ego to ask something from God. There is no shame in admitting there is someone greater than yourself.
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By the way I have never wrote about Christmas and hell together . This was given this morning in a way of revelation.

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Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.
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I talk all the time with people who think God and His loving Son cruel. There are many reasons they think this. When I was young and I first read The Bible I also marveled how God could command the death of women and children. But without understanding in the whole story you cannot find understanding into why these things had to be done.

The story of Gods love for mankind is unlike anything ever written. From the very beginning we have not trusted in God as a whole. Some found favour in the eyes of the Lord and where rewarded greatly for it.

Jesus was born into this world among some of the lowest even though he could have been born among the highest. That is no mistake. He rode a donkey because he was humble as king David also rode a donkey because he had reverence for God. People say they have no need for a saviour but I believe even they know somewhere inside themselves that is not true. These things are said in bitterness because of life in this world. Those who think they have everything really come to find they have nothing that makes them happy.

Humanity fills a void within themselves with things and pleasures. I ask those who fill this void to look inwards and ask themselves why this void exists?

We all at one point filled the void but it is only truly filled with The spirit that is The Holy Comforter through belief in Christ Jesus.

It takes nothing but to overcome your own ego to ask something from God. There is no shame in admitting there is someone greater than yourself.
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Job 37:13 He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.
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The punishment is eternal , not the punishing, when the lost soul is destroyed, it is never coming back.

Everlasting punishment

Destroyed forever

The destruction is eternal, not the destroying.

Those that knew the way, and refused, more punishing before destruction, those that didn't will get less. All according to what each deserves, The Adonai is not mocked.

many or few stripes..

The devil says our souls are immortal, can not be destroyed and it's just a matter of where you will end up for eternity.

That is not the Gospel.

but it is a lie from the father of lies

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Jesus was born to redeem us of our sins with His blood! His death has given us the free gift of salvation!

Repent of your sins, learn to hear God's voice, obey Him, and endure until the end. This is how we receive Jesus's blood and our eternal redemption!
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Christ Was Born into this world in order that God The Father might KNOW men Personally and Directly.


If you're Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, you were Enabled TO KNOW...


Kind of a wordy intro there, Goofus. You getting paid by the word??? Just kidding...


Christ Jesus IS The Word Become Flesh! God's Witness in the flesh who came to Bring The Good News and Serve HIS Father's Will BY Being "The Propitiation for all sin".


Yet... We live in the Laodicean church age. Most Christians are lukewarm in their capacity to manifest their heart Unto The Father... Such is The Lord's Witness in Revelation ch 3. Because they are "lukewarm" they will be met with REJECTION.



In THESE Final Moments; the hours before Father's Angel Gives HIS Revelation 14:7 Witness which marks the Closing of The Age of Faith and WAY Unto The Father... What matters is CAN YOU Take Action?

Can you who Claim to Love God and get all melancholy and weepy about Christ's Birth and Sacrifice actually Take Action and Prove Your Love To The Father????


That is what matters... The reason for which you were born... IF Father-God Has Put KNOWLEDGE Of WHO Jesus IS on your heart.


Looking like another Matt 24 "Winter" is upon us again tomorrow. "Pray that your flight not be in Winter or on the Sabbath" HE Witnesses. Well... The "world" deserves Father's harsh remedies.

Love God, but just not enough to Tell HIM you Trust HIM Fully and Completely? Then, once Angel 14:7 Witnesses you are locked in alienation from HIM... On your own at the time men's hearts will fail them.

But for all your failings God The Holy Spirit Gave me to KNOW "Anyone who ever Loved Christ Jesus with a True heart, even if only as a child, will not be lost or condemned."

Can't Trust God Fully and give HIM all you are and all you ever will be? Well...HIS Will Is ALWAYS Perfect!



Frankly, if you Claim Christ and The Father, but cannot Manifest Your Faith Into Action; then, Christ's Sacrifice and all HIS Witness of The Born-Again Life mean nothing to you.

Look at John 3:15-17, the most cited verses in Laodicean Christianity... No one sees the conditional modifiers of each Witness. Might and Should indicate conditions that need to be fulfilled...
15. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

God's Will IS Always Perfect!
Christ Brought The Perfect Witnes!
Christ Was The Perfect Sacrifice!
THE WAY Unto The Father is The Perfect Surrender!

Coming Unto The Father in Love and Complete Fealty, surrendering our everything in acceptance of HIS Will For Us, Delivers Us Into HIS Accord. HIS Witness in Ezekiel 36:26-27 IS The Concise Witnes of The Born-Again Life:
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Can ONLY Come Unto The Father through Faith. Have to ACT on your Faith, Have To Manifest Your Heart Unto The Father!

Can't find it in your heart to Answer Father's Call?
Faith without works (action) is dead!


Everything is about to change... It all comes down, in These Final Moments to your making a decision to Trust God Fully, and then to Come Unto HIM In earnest/sincere prayer and Telling HIM.


Maranatha and All Praise Unto The Father for Loving us so much to send Christ Jesus!
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We live in a world where we have made everything we do and build for convenience , comfortable, enjoyable and keeps us from danger.

 Quoting: Goofy for God


Could you please tell me where this world is of yours, because I have never so much as caught a whiff of the scent of its flowers.
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Luke 18: 22

Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.


We can not love anything in this world we are not willing to let go of to follow , that is why He was born. He over came the world and we can as well with the Helper.

John 14: 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.



Know what waits for us is soooooo much better than all King Solomon had, no human has had more than him.
 Quoting: Goofy for God



Christ's Peace, Given Unto Us, IS Witnessed in John ch 17. This entire chapter, Given As A Prayer, IS Jesus' Witness Of The Born-Again Life.

HIS People (Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Agains) are "Preserved against All evil" and Brought Into Father's Accord where we dwell In and With Father and Son.


If you're trying to parse the Scripture by rationalizing your expectations, you will meet with failure. ONLY The Witness of God The Holy Spirit Witnesses Scripture to us. There is no "understanding" God before we Come Unto HIM. All you Know Of HIM before Being Born-Again is that HE IS God, and you aren't. That HE IS Good (in fact PERFECT!) and you aren't. That's even one of Jesus' Witnesses...


Christ Served HIS Father's Will by Bringing The Gospel, The NEW WAY, The Good News and IN OBEDIENCE Unto Father's Will was crucified to Redeem Us. Christ ONLY Serves HIS Father's Will.

"Marvel not that I Say unto you, YE MUST Be Born-Again! John 3:7 and John 14:6 "...No man Cometh Unto The Father But BY ME!" This IS The Whole Purpose of Christ Jesus' Coming!!! To Fulfill Father's Desire To KNOW Us Personally and Directly.

Not really any "Peace" that we can Know until we are Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again.

The Peace Of The Lord ONLY Comes to those Born-Again.

Surrender for me was not the result of being at anything like "peace". The carnal, stony-heart within each of us fights tooth & nail to prevent our Coming Unto The Father.

There is no faking it til you make it... Deciding that God can run your life So Much Better than you can is not the result of happy bliss for any of us...

When a Pureheart Comes Unto The Father, he/she makes their surrender because it is the only thing left for them to do; they tried everything else and finally exasperated/frustrated they Give HIM Their ALL.

When a sinner Comes Unto The Father, he/she has no other place to turn. They might have money and comforts, but the life they've sought on their own terms has ruined them. Sinners surrender in Hope that God Will Accept them and salvage their life.

It takes this Brokenness. It takes having tried everything and realizing you are NOTHING without HIM... It takes Coming To HIM BY Your Faith and With Love to Make Your Surrender...


The Peace Of The Lord IS With Us once we have Come Unto The Father.
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And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in GEHENNA

Destroy - apollymi in Greek.


to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin.

When the body is destroyed, it has no life, just like the souls of the wicked will have lost their lives when they are annihilated, no life in them, the second death. Wherein hell is cast into the lake of fire, annihilated in GEHENNA Matthew 10:28

HE who made your soul can destroy it, and He will destroy all His enemies.

Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

no second chances1!!


And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14-15

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From Matthew 22 we can read Jesus' Witness of The Whole Purpose of HIS Coming and therefore Of Christianity:


1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,


3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, "Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment?"
And he was speechless.

13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14. For many are called, but few are chosen.



Does your heart understand?
Has to be your heart that get's it; not your brain...

The Wedding Crasher sought to Be With God, but had no Wedding Garment...

YOUR Wedding Garment IS Your Born-Again Heart!
Got one?

Christ Gave HIS Life so you could Be Born-Again!

Christ endured ALL the crap of this world and was Sacrificed so you could Be Born-Again...


Many were Called, but few Chose-Elected to Answer...

The super-Christians of Matt 7:21-23 did Miracles, Cast-Out demons, and Prophesied In HIS Name; but never Came Unto The Father... Like "Friend" in Matt 22, they had no Wedding Garment; they remained carnal, stony-hearted... Jesus Tells them: "Depart from ME, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT!"


Winter begins tomorrow which is also the Sabbath.
Might want to look at Matthew ch 24 and read of God's 3 Witnessing Angels of Rev 14:7-9

America could soon face that "Gone in one hour" moment, but The Way Unto The Father will have closed before that...

God's Infinite Mercy and Grace are there for you, IF you only claim them...

Coming Unto The Father is all that matters...


Maranatha!!!
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why were you born?
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why were you born?
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To love the Creator

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I bet He had a cone head...ya know because She was a Virgin and all...
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I talk all the time with people who think God and His loving Son cruel. There are many reasons they think this. When I was young and I first read The Bible I also marveled how God could command the death of women and children. But without understanding in the whole story you cannot find understanding into why these things had to be done.

The story of Gods love for mankind is unlike anything ever written. From the very beginning we have not trusted in God as a whole. Some found favour in the eyes of the Lord and where rewarded greatly for it.

Jesus was born into this world among some of the lowest even though he could have been born among the highest. That is no mistake. He rode a donkey because he was humble as king David also rode a donkey because he had reverence for God. People say they have no need for a saviour but I believe even they know somewhere inside themselves that is not true. These things are said in bitterness because of life in this world. Those who think they have everything really come to find they have nothing that makes them happy.

Humanity fills a void within themselves with things and pleasures. I ask those who fill this void to look inwards and ask themselves why this void exists?

We all at one point filled the void but it is only truly filled with The spirit that is The Holy Comforter through belief in Christ Jesus.

It takes nothing but to overcome your own ego to ask something from God. There is no shame in admitting there is someone greater than yourself.
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God does not love mankind. The proof is in the pudding. Wax lyrical all you want, it doesn't even matter if you believe in the god of the Bible or not, whatever god created all this is clearly evil, this god knew all this horseshit would happen and he went ahead with it anyways. People believe if they're 'good' they'll be rewarded... nope, they won't even be comforted, they'll be tortured and suffer with nothing at their side. Happens all the time. Tell us all about the god that knew people would dump babies in dumpsters. Tell us. Tell us about how genocide is all part of the Plan. God is evil. Evil. Don't make me repeat myself, this supernatural creator has no love for anything, not even the creatures he engineered to rip eachother apart to survive, stop blaming 'humanity.' The animal world existed long before asshole people did. Suffering is universal, and it is the creation of the King of Cruelty, this thing everybody calls 'god.' Cruelty is this world, natural, biological, engineered this way, God made it. Then he expects people to be kind, when he is not. Millions of years pass, where every second of the day some form of cruelty occurs, savagery, and suffering. Every second. What an abomination. Go ahead, worship the being that brought all this into existence, I'm neither going to stop you or even attempt to shame you, all the shame belongs to this god.

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God does not love mankind. The proof is in the pudding. Wax lyrical all you want, it doesn't even matter if you believe in the god of the Bible or not, whatever god created all this is clearly evil, this god knew all this horseshit would happen and he went ahead with it anyways. People believe if they're 'good' they'll be rewarded... nope, they won't even be comforted, they'll be tortured and suffer with nothing at their side. Happens all the time. Tell us all about the god that knew people would dump babies in dumpsters. Tell us. Tell us about how genocide is all part of the Plan. God is evil. Evil. Don't make me repeat myself, this supernatural creator has no love for anything, not even the creatures he engineered to rip eachother apart to survive, stop blaming 'humanity' because the animal world existed long before asshole people did. Suffering is universal, and it is the creation of the King of Cruelty, this thing everybody calls 'god.' Cruelty is this world, natural, biological, engineered this way, God made it. Then he expects people to be kind, when he is not. Millions of years pass, where every second of the day some form of cruelty occurs, savagery, and suffering. Every second. What an abomination. Go ahead, worship the being that brought all this into existence, I'm neither going to stop you or even attempt to shame you, all the shame belongs to this god.
 Quoting: Arawn



This world is wretched and full of suffering because men chose self-will over Abiding In and With The Father.


Extremely repugnant rant you posted here. Just so totally manifested from self; unwilling to consider that The Creator made everything Perfect. Man chose self-will over HIS Will, and thus we are out of harmony with everything else.

Having Stood In HIS Presence I was Given To KNOW...


Soon, every man, woman and child will KNOW that The Father IS REAL and HIS Son Comes In Judgment.


So many who once Loved HIM grew up to find reasons to resent The Father's Will.

Probably most infuriating to you, (IF you ever Loved Christ Jesus) will be Father's Mercy extended to you who chose to denigrate HIM.

I Was Told: "No one who ever Loved Christ Jesus with a True heart, even if only as a child, will be lost or condemned".

Up to you at that reckoning moment to keep your hatred alive or fall on your face blessing HIM for HIS Forgiveness...
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The punishment is eternal , not the punishing, when the lost soul is destroyed, it is never coming back.

Everlasting punishment

Destroyed forever

The destruction is eternal, not the destroying.

Those that knew the way, and refused, more punishing before destruction, those that didn't will get less. All according to what each deserves, The Adonai is not mocked.

many or few stripes..

The devil says our souls are immortal, can not be destroyed and it's just a matter of where you will end up for eternity.

That is not the Gospel.

but it is a lie from the father of lies
 Quoting: SonOfZion


So if its not eternal why say " Fire that shall never be quenched?

Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched? If they are gone why keep the fire going if they are separated from God and we are with him?

Personally it doesn't matter too much to me because it is not a salvation issue so I rather not argue about it but you are clearly ignoring what the scripture says based of translation theories and claiming to know more than the rest. I have argued with people about this same thing in the past and they happened to be practitioners of the occult. They follow the father of lies and only seek to take away from Gods Glory. Followers of the "golden rule" which is a man made rule based of failed logic.

If you truly do follow The Lord look to him and stop arguing with your brothers and sisters. We are to get along with each other not sow division and arguments.

The Word of God is sound and unyielding, un breakable for if it was not and he did not protect his word he would not be God. Jesus made sure we would know through Him what is truth and what is not so we can discern in the spirit.

He is Just, He is Holy, He is Truth or He is not God.
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And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in GEHENNA

Destroy - apollymi in Greek.


to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin.

When the body is destroyed, it has no life, just like the souls of the wicked will have lost their lives when they are annihilated, no life in them, the second death. Wherein hell is cast into the lake of fire, annihilated in GEHENNA Matthew 10:28

HE who made your soul can destroy it, and He will destroy all His enemies.

Heb 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

no second chances1!!


And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14-15
 Quoting: SonOfZion

If that were true, then there would be no punishment for sin, No Justice, just destruction and nothingness.
However that is not true. For we know that the Beast and the False prophet are men and "they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

20:10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the Lake of Fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever
and
20:15 And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the book of life, he was thrown into the Lake of Fire.
That is the same, Lake of Fire, that the Devil, the Anti Christ and False prophet are thrown into... You know the one, the one where; "There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever"

Then there is Rev 14:9-11
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

A very unpleasant picture of an everlasting torment, with no rest, both day and night.

So no matter the semantic tricks you try to use to prove otherwise, it plainly teaches that there is a place of eternal torment and that sinners go there!

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~ Benjamin Franklin
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I talk all the time with people who think God and His loving Son cruel. There are many reasons they think this. When I was young and I first read The Bible I also marveled how God could command the death of women and children. But without understanding in the whole story you cannot find understanding into why these things had to be done.

The story of Gods love for mankind is unlike anything ever written. From the very beginning we have not trusted in God as a whole. Some found favour in the eyes of the Lord and where rewarded greatly for it.

Jesus was born into this world among some of the lowest even though he could have been born among the highest. That is no mistake. He rode a donkey because he was humble as king David also rode a donkey because he had reverence for God. People say they have no need for a saviour but I believe even they know somewhere inside themselves that is not true. These things are said in bitterness because of life in this world. Those who think they have everything really come to find they have nothing that makes them happy.

Humanity fills a void within themselves with things and pleasures. I ask those who fill this void to look inwards and ask themselves why this void exists?

We all at one point filled the void but it is only truly filled with The spirit that is The Holy Comforter through belief in Christ Jesus.

It takes nothing but to overcome your own ego to ask something from God. There is no shame in admitting there is someone greater than yourself.
 Quoting: RiZE


God does not love mankind. The proof is in the pudding. Wax lyrical all you want, it doesn't even matter if you believe in the god of the Bible or not, whatever god created all this is clearly evil, this god knew all this horseshit would happen and he went ahead with it anyways. People believe if they're 'good' they'll be rewarded... nope, they won't even be comforted, they'll be tortured and suffer with nothing at their side. Happens all the time. Tell us all about the god that knew people would dump babies in dumpsters. Tell us. Tell us about how genocide is all part of the Plan. God is evil. Evil. Don't make me repeat myself, this supernatural creator has no love for anything, not even the creatures he engineered to rip eachother apart to survive, stop blaming 'humanity.' The animal world existed long before asshole people did. Suffering is universal, and it is the creation of the King of Cruelty, this thing everybody calls 'god.' Cruelty is this world, natural, biological, engineered this way, God made it. Then he expects people to be kind, when he is not. Millions of years pass, where every second of the day some form of cruelty occurs, savagery, and suffering. Every second. What an abomination. Go ahead, worship the being that brought all this into existence, I'm neither going to stop you or even attempt to shame you, all the shame belongs to this god.
 Quoting: Arawn


Your words sadden me because its drips with the desperation of bitterness. A cold hardened heart with no reverence for God. We are all guilty for the evil we commit so how is that Gods fault?

With your logic we blame and jail the man who created bullets because they kill? Do we make owning a gun un lawfull for the multitude because some chose to do harm to others? Your hatred is based of failed logic. Cruelty came into this world from a lie and disobedience to God.

In the beginning we had everything and it was torn away from us because we were disobedient and then sin entered the world. All these things came to pass so we could learn, God could have created us to all love him but why did he not do that? Because he wished that we would love Him of our own free will.

Yes I have suffered, and I will continue to do so. I may even one day need to lay down my life for others I love or simply for my belief. But I will do it willingly without hesitation.

Is that a strength you have? This strength is not from me because I am weak. This is strength that has been given to me by Him who loves me.
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Pilate then went out to them and said, "What accusation do you bring against this Man?"

They answered and said to him, "If He were not an evildoer, we would not have delivered Him up to you."

Then Pilate said to them, "You take Him and judge Him according to your law." Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"

that the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled which He spoke, signifying by what death He would die.

Then Pilate entered the Praetorium again, called Jesus, and said to Him, "Are You the King of the Jews?"

Jesus answered him, "Are you speaking for yourself about this, or did others tell you this concerning Me?"

Pilate answered, "Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered You to me. What have You done?"

Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here."

Pilate therefore said to Him, "Are You a king then?" Jesus answered, "You say rightly that I am a king. For this cause I was born, and for this cause I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

Pilate said to Him, "What is truth?" And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews, and said to them, "I find no fault in Him at all.




John 18:29-38
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Jesus was born so barabas could go free

Barabas is the real Christ and he still walks the earth
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God does not love mankind.
 Quoting: Arawn

You do not love God.

Thread: Jesus Christ is how much God loves you and how far He has gone to show you.
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Jesus was born so barabas could go free

Barabas is the real Christ and he still walks the earth
 Quoting: Ihatepedos


Did you know Barabbas means "son of the father"?

Barabbas was guilty.

Do you even know what "Christ" means?

Why do you despise Jesus Christ?


Now at the feast the governor was accustomed to releasing to the multitude one prisoner whom they wished.

And at that time they had a notorious prisoner called Barabbas.

Therefore, when they had gathered together, Pilate said to them, "Whom do you want me to release to you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?"

For he knew that they had handed Him over because of envy.

While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent to him, saying, "Have nothing to do with that just Man, for I have suffered many things today in a dream because of Him."

But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitudes that they should ask for Barabbas and destroy Jesus.

The governor answered and said to them, "Which of the two do you want me to release to you?" They said, "Barabbas!"

Pilate said to them, "What then shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?" They all said to him, "Let Him be crucified!"

Then the governor said, "Why, what evil has He done?" But they cried out all the more, saying, "Let Him be crucified!"

When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, "I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it."

And all the people answered and said, "His blood be on us and on our children."

Then he released Barabbas to them; and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified.



Matthew 27:15-26

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I didn't know that
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"Matthew refers to Barabbas only as a "notorious prisoner".[6] Mark and Luke further refer to Barabbas as one involved in a (stasis, a riot), probably "one of the numerous insurrections against the Roman power" [7] who had committed murder.[8] Robert Eisenman states that John 18:40 refers to Barabbas as a "bandit"), "the word Josephus always employs when talking about Revolutionaries""

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Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


We live in a world where we have made everything we do and build for convenience , comfortable, enjoyable and keeps us from danger.
We have built an entire system to keep us from danger, from roads to experiencing danger but being safe , like a roller coaster.
There are many religions and people in general that has done away with hell. Look at us , why on earth would we even want to believe in such a thing. We certainly do not want to be reminded of it ,much less talk about it at Christmas , right ??? Some of the nicest people I know believe there is no hell. There will be many that are saying really , you are talking about hell at Christmas ,a time of fun and joy.

The birth of Jesus Christ we are suppose to be celebrating right now , we have turned into many things. We only have to go to Mall to see some of what we have done with it.
I personally love the Lights , Music and Joy this time of the year can bring.

Jesus was born , suffered , died and rose to keep us out of hell. We could not follow one rule in the Garden of Eden much less all those afterwards. We can not teach , preach or share the Birth of Jesus Christ without talking about hell ,because He did.

“Luke 3: 9And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. “

Good fruit was sharing the Whole Word of God and to keep people from being cast into the lake of fire.

The system we have created ,crept into our walks with God. God created a system to keep us from the dangers of hell fire. Jesus is very clear it is not easy , comfortable or even fun. We only have to look at His life , the life of Paul and Peter and all those before us , to see it was not an easy or fun. The pleasure and joy of this life was to be able to share the beginning and the end of the Bible and to spend eternity in Heaven. King Solomon and Jesus told us to stay away from the pleasures of this life, it got the people in trouble in the past and does now.

We have been in charge of many things for a long time. We have created all kinds of earthly pleasures and even made danger fun. We made Christmas fun and enjoyable and Easter fun and enjoyable. Where is that in Scriptures , where was it in the teachings of Jesus ?
In a time to make wishes , I wish hell was not real but it is. I wish Jesus did not have to be born in that uncomfortable manger but He was. I wish Jesus did not have to be rejected , suffer and die on that Cross to save us but He did.. These are not things we would create to keep us from the danger of hell fire or any danger.

Many nice and loving people , that do wonderful deeds are in danger of hell. Take time to really see why Jesus was born and why He went to the Cross.
We spend a lot of money, time and energy to keep our earthly bodies safe , have fun and be comfortable. We were to spend money , time and energy to keep our souls and Spirits from danger.

That is why Jesus was born... We were left the greatest gift anyone could receive , The Holy Spirit of God.” satan has whispered something else. There is nothing in a Mall or in the world that can top that gift.


“Proverbs 27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.”

Murder , suicide is in the news way to much every Christmas season, why is that? We created a system of expectation that was outside of why Jesus was born. Judas shows us what happens when we go outside of why Jesus was born, suffered , died and rose for us.

This will not be popular in our time of feel good, our feel good does not come from this world ,in fact it places us in danger. Careful loved ones , read the Birth of Jesus Christ all the way to His death and why He even came. Jesus left us a good example of hell in Luke 16, read it and tell people why Jesus was really born for us...

Mark 9 is harsh but shows us how serious our walks with God should be ,in a time satan says , pleasure , fun, comfortable and easy!
 Quoting: Goofy for God


No beloved and more NO.. Creation does not work this way...
There Can Be NO Peace in the Heart or Progress in the Mind unless one falls wholeheartedly in love with Truth and IDEALS of Eternal Realities.

Mankind is on the march toward a new and unrevealed planetary destiny.


"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.


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