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Is there any primary source proof of chemtrails

 
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geez, OP.

don't research chemtrails.

use the government term:

GEOENGINEERING

It's now made totally public with complete admission that they are doing it.

google and read until you get the whole picture.
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Aluminum and Barium are sprayed in grid patterns usually before an incoming storm. Ground radar stations such as H.A.A.R.P. and other Doppler radar use the the freshly laid down chemicals to heat the Ionosphere and split High Pressure Zones in two..thereby..steering the storm in the desired location.


Reference for daily proof:
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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OMG! It's on the YouTubes! It has to be true!


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geez, OP.

don't research chemtrails.

use the government term:

GEOENGINEERING

It's now made totally public with complete admission that they are doing it.

google and read until you get the whole picture.
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The only problem, the trails we see have nothing to do with geoengineering.

You people only ASSume they do.
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Re: Is there any primary source proof of chemtrails
The conception of Chemtrailing has been patented by the military. Whether they are doing it or not, they know how to.....
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I don't doubt that at all. The trails we see in the sky are still contrails.
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Re: Is there any primary source proof of chemtrails
The primary source of chemtrail is the minds of scientifically illiterate paranoid retards.
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:chempark: I apologise, some of us have not yet evolved above believing the evidence of our own eyes and logical thought.
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I watch it everyday from the beaches on Lake Michigan. Flying grid patterns , sometimes 5 planes wide , perfect spacing like farmers plowing a field, all heading in the same direction

Those are not passenger planes. A perfectly sunny day can be blocked out in a few hours
 Quoting: Malu nli


Thank you for admitting that you know nothing about aviation navigation, contrails, or jet engines.

Congrats! You ARE a typical chemtard!
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Let's posit the following using the Socratic Method:

a) I have no direct evidence that 'chemtrails' control the weather, outside a few, admittedly rare, coincidences. (days with lots of contrails often feel more intense on the skin) (thick clouds, plane flies over low, rain pours for a minute, stops, plane flies over low, rain pours for a minute, stops, etc)

b) I have seen direct evidence, which I was able to personally confirm, albeit circumstantially (which would fulfill any preponderance of the evidence test given) that there are people who are actively paid to engage in so-called 'chemtrail' threads, solely post in 'chemtrail' threads during regularly scheduled hours, and clearly have alerts termed for such 'chemtrail' threads that have them respond to such threads within seconds of creation. These 'shills', as they're colloquially known, offer varying levels of insight, from the mundane 'schizo post troll' to detailed insights on the scientific context behind airplane fuel, weather conditions, and contrail formation. The question then becomes; why?
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Not sure what he is referring to, but the Air Force put out a report entitled Controlling the Weather by 2025 that talks about them in technical terms.
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Aerosol, atmosphere injection,
Weather manipulation, HAARP>
Strontium, barium, aluminum >

idk too lazy to look
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Re: Is there any primary source proof of chemtrails
The primary source of chemtrail is the minds of scientifically illiterate paranoid retards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46815417


:chempark: I apologise, some of us have not yet evolved above believing the evidence of our own eyes and logical thought.
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I watch it everyday from the beaches on Lake Michigan. Flying grid patterns , sometimes 5 planes wide , perfect spacing like farmers plowing a field, all heading in the same direction

Those are not passenger planes. A perfectly sunny day can be blocked out in a few hours
 Quoting: Malu nli


Any data on this subject collected from the Great Lakes region is pretty much worthless. If you’ve lived in the region for more than a year than you should never be surprised by sunny days turning to crap on the turn of a dime. Might as well be surprised when lake effect snow gives you a foot of snow but the next city north or south gets an inch.
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Weather manipulation, HAARP>
Strontium, barium, aluminum >

idk too lazy to look
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And what does any of that have to do with the trails in the sky that form behind jet engines and morons call "chemtrails"?

Oh yeah, nothing.
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Let's posit the following using the Socratic Method:

a) I have no direct evidence that 'chemtrails' control the weather, outside a few, admittedly rare, coincidences. (days with lots of contrails often feel more intense on the skin) (thick clouds, plane flies over low, rain pours for a minute, stops, plane flies over low, rain pours for a minute, stops, etc)

b) I have seen direct evidence, which I was able to personally confirm, albeit circumstantially (which would fulfill any preponderance of the evidence test given) that there are people who are actively paid to engage in so-called 'chemtrail' threads, solely post in 'chemtrail' threads during regularly scheduled hours, and clearly have alerts termed for such 'chemtrail' threads that have them respond to such threads within seconds of creation. These 'shills', as they're colloquially known, offer varying levels of insight, from the mundane 'schizo post troll' to detailed insights on the scientific context behind airplane fuel, weather conditions, and contrail formation. The question then becomes; why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47375966


Evidence my ass.

Nobody is paid to argue with chemtards. i refuse to believe anyone really cares about the subject unless they have a personal reason, as I do. As a former pilot from an aviation family, I'm sick of the fucking lies and ignorance! Too m,any false accusations made by morons who don't even understand contrails! I would like you to share the evidence that there are real "shills" for this subject. Liar!
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Re: Is there any primary source proof of chemtrails
Aluminum and Barium are sprayed in grid patterns usually before an incoming storm. Ground radar stations such as H.A.A.R.P. and other Doppler radar use the the freshly laid down chemicals to heat the Ionosphere and split High Pressure Zones in two..thereby..steering the storm in the desired location.


Reference for daily proof:
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76999681


You can't reason with NPC's. Plenty of evidence and patents have been presented here, over the years, and the NPCs never see or understand a word of it. We've been talking about chemtrails/contrails here for at least 15 years, and not ONE SINGLE MIND has ever been changed.
Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!
Gimme a break.
Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

Nah, the problem is the goobermint...Unknown AC.


Blame it on my ADD, baby...Sail


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Re: Is there any primary source proof of chemtrails
Let's posit the following using the Socratic Method:

a) I have no direct evidence that 'chemtrails' control the weather, outside a few, admittedly rare, coincidences. (days with lots of contrails often feel more intense on the skin) (thick clouds, plane flies over low, rain pours for a minute, stops, plane flies over low, rain pours for a minute, stops, etc)

b) I have seen direct evidence, which I was able to personally confirm, albeit circumstantially (which would fulfill any preponderance of the evidence test given) that there are people who are actively paid to engage in so-called 'chemtrail' threads, solely post in 'chemtrail' threads during regularly scheduled hours, and clearly have alerts termed for such 'chemtrail' threads that have them respond to such threads within seconds of creation. These 'shills', as they're colloquially known, offer varying levels of insight, from the mundane 'schizo post troll' to detailed insights on the scientific context behind airplane fuel, weather conditions, and contrail formation. The question then becomes; why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47375966


Evidence my ass.

Nobody is paid to argue with chemtards. i refuse to believe anyone really cares about the subject unless they have a personal reason, as I do. As a former pilot from an aviation family, I'm sick of the fucking lies and ignorance! Too m,any false accusations made by morons who don't even understand contrails! I would like you to share the evidence that there are real "shills" for this subject. Liar!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76998126


You are driven to post by your hate.
Being a pilot gives you Absolutely NO insight into Chemtrails. And Everybody understands how Contrails are formed. Some people are smart enough to distinguish between Contrails and Chemtrails with a high degree of probability. To a Contard, All exhaust streams are Contrails.
Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!
Gimme a break.
Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

Nah, the problem is the goobermint...Unknown AC.


Blame it on my ADD, baby...Sail


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Re: Is there any primary source proof of chemtrails
Let's posit the following using the Socratic Method:

a) I have no direct evidence that 'chemtrails' control the weather, outside a few, admittedly rare, coincidences. (days with lots of contrails often feel more intense on the skin) (thick clouds, plane flies over low, rain pours for a minute, stops, plane flies over low, rain pours for a minute, stops, etc)

b) I have seen direct evidence, which I was able to personally confirm, albeit circumstantially (which would fulfill any preponderance of the evidence test given) that there are people who are actively paid to engage in so-called 'chemtrail' threads, solely post in 'chemtrail' threads during regularly scheduled hours, and clearly have alerts termed for such 'chemtrail' threads that have them respond to such threads within seconds of creation. These 'shills', as they're colloquially known, offer varying levels of insight, from the mundane 'schizo post troll' to detailed insights on the scientific context behind airplane fuel, weather conditions, and contrail formation. The question then becomes; why?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47375966


Evidence my ass.

Nobody is paid to argue with chemtards. i refuse to believe anyone really cares about the subject unless they have a personal reason, as I do. As a former pilot from an aviation family, I'm sick of the fucking lies and ignorance! Too m,any false accusations made by morons who don't even understand contrails! I would like you to share the evidence that there are real "shills" for this subject. Liar!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76998126


You are driven to post by your hate.
Being a pilot gives you Absolutely NO insight into Chemtrails. And Everybody understands how Contrails are formed. Some people are smart enough to distinguish between Contrails and Chemtrails with a high degree of probability. To a Contard, All exhaust streams are Contrails.
 Quoting: Pilgrim001


I have no hate for anyone. I am disappointed.

As a pilot, I learned about air routes and intersecting routes (grid patterns LOL!) and weather systems. I learned more about contrails than you EVER will. Yes, all trails are contrails until proven otherwise. And the size, length, depth, color, shape, or duration of a trail does NOT mean the difference between contrails and "chemtrails". You are an idiot. You can say you can "distinguish" the difference but so far, no one has done any such thing.

There is a high probability that you know nothing about contrails.
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Re: Is there any primary source proof of chemtrails
Aluminum and Barium are sprayed in grid patterns usually before an incoming storm. Ground radar stations such as H.A.A.R.P. and other Doppler radar use the the freshly laid down chemicals to heat the Ionosphere and split High Pressure Zones in two..thereby..steering the storm in the desired location.


Reference for daily proof:
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76999681


You can't reason with NPC's. Plenty of evidence and patents have been presented here, over the years, and the NPCs never see or understand a word of it. We've been talking about chemtrails/contrails here for at least 15 years, and not ONE SINGLE MIND has ever been changed.
 Quoting: Pilgrim001


NO ONE could ever go from understanding contrails to believing any trail from a jet engine is anything but a contrail.

It's impossible! Atmospheric conditions determine how a contrail behaves and no one EVER includes the conditions at altitude. Do you know why?! Because they have no fucking clue HOW.

You people are fucking retarded and the false accusations are disgusting!
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Aerosol, atmosphere injection,
Weather manipulation, HAARP>
Strontium, barium, aluminum >

idk too lazy to look
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And what does any of that have to do with the trails in the sky that form behind jet engines and morons call "chemtrails"?

Oh yeah, nothing.
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those are contrails
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Strontium, barium, aluminum >

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And what does any of that have to do with the trails in the sky that form behind jet engines and morons call "chemtrails"?

Oh yeah, nothing.
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those are contrails
crazyjak
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Hypocrite
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Strontium, barium, aluminum >

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And what does any of that have to do with the trails in the sky that form behind jet engines and morons call "chemtrails"?

Oh yeah, nothing.
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those are contrails
crazyjak
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Hypocrite
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The primary source of chemtrail is the minds of scientifically illiterate paranoid retards.
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chempark I apologise, some of us have not yet evolved above believing the evidence of our own eyes and logical thought.
 Quoting: Judethz


I watch it everyday from the beaches on Lake Michigan. Flying grid patterns , sometimes 5 planes wide , perfect spacing like farmers plowing a field, all heading in the same direction

Those are not passenger planes. A perfectly sunny day can be blocked out in a few hours
 Quoting: Malu nli


Any data on this subject collected from the Great Lakes region is pretty much worthless. If you’ve lived in the region for more than a year than you should never be surprised by sunny days turning to crap on the turn of a dime. Might as well be surprised when lake effect snow gives you a foot of snow but the next city north or south gets an inch.
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Holy crap dude you don’t have a clue . I have lived on the Great Lakes just shy of 60 years and I am on the beach everyday and an avid outdoorsman/waterman , as well as a farmer, I grew up in the outdoors and pay very close attention to weather as my life depends on it
When you have a beautiful sunny sky but as many as 30 airplanes in sight leaving heavy chemtrails, and watch those exact trails slowly expand over hours and completely fill the sky , blocking out the sun, it’s no fucking accident!

SMH too fucking much lately. Jesus. It’s blatantly obvious
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And what does any of that have to do with the trails in the sky that form behind jet engines and morons call "chemtrails"?

Oh yeah, nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76998126
those are contrails
crazyjak
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Hypocrite
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Nor can you find a single book about contrails, apparently.
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:chempark: I apologise, some of us have not yet evolved above believing the evidence of our own eyes and logical thought.
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I watch it everyday from the beaches on Lake Michigan. Flying grid patterns , sometimes 5 planes wide , perfect spacing like farmers plowing a field, all heading in the same direction

Those are not passenger planes. A perfectly sunny day can be blocked out in a few hours
 Quoting: Malu nli


Any data on this subject collected from the Great Lakes region is pretty much worthless. If you’ve lived in the region for more than a year than you should never be surprised by sunny days turning to crap on the turn of a dime. Might as well be surprised when lake effect snow gives you a foot of snow but the next city north or south gets an inch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75522285


Holy crap dude you don’t have a clue . I have lived on the Great Lakes just shy of 60 years and I am on the beach everyday and an avid outdoorsman/waterman , as well as a farmer, I grew up in the outdoors and pay very close attention to weather as my life depends on it
When you have a beautiful sunny sky but as many as 30 airplanes in sight leaving heavy chemtrails, and watch those exact trails slowly expand over hours and completely fill the sky , blocking out the sun, it’s no fucking accident!

SMH too fucking much lately. Jesus. It’s blatantly obvious
 Quoting: Malu nli


They are obviously contrails.
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I watch it everyday from the beaches on Lake Michigan. Flying grid patterns , sometimes 5 planes wide , perfect spacing like farmers plowing a field, all heading in the same direction

Those are not passenger planes. A perfectly sunny day can be blocked out in a few hours
 Quoting: Malu nli


Any data on this subject collected from the Great Lakes region is pretty much worthless. If you’ve lived in the region for more than a year than you should never be surprised by sunny days turning to crap on the turn of a dime. Might as well be surprised when lake effect snow gives you a foot of snow but the next city north or south gets an inch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75522285


Holy crap dude you don’t have a clue . I have lived on the Great Lakes just shy of 60 years and I am on the beach everyday and an avid outdoorsman/waterman , as well as a farmer, I grew up in the outdoors and pay very close attention to weather as my life depends on it
When you have a beautiful sunny sky but as many as 30 airplanes in sight leaving heavy chemtrails, and watch those exact trails slowly expand over hours and completely fill the sky , blocking out the sun, it’s no fucking accident!

SMH too fucking much lately. Jesus. It’s blatantly obvious
 Quoting: Malu nli


They are obviously contrails.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76998126


So we have so much pollution from airplanes that it blocks out the sun? and whether you call it chemtrails or contrails it’s poison. Just last week it was so low that it drifted down on top of me. A day after heavy spraying I have heard from a lot of people that they have difficulty breathing.

I don’t care what you call it, they are either trying to kill us “chemtrails “ or they simply don’t give a shit and pollute “contrails”

But there have been numerous papers written by government agencies on weather modification and openly admit to the practice
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The primary source of chemtrail is the minds of scientifically illiterate paranoid retards.
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chempark I apologise, some of us have not yet evolved above believing the evidence of our own eyes and logical thought.
 Quoting: Judethz


What good is seeing something if you can't understand what you see?

And, you can't in the case of the trails in the sky.
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Actually that is a lie. It is you that can’t understand what your eyes see, so don’t put your inability on us! Again we say, LookUp!
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Any data on this subject collected from the Great Lakes region is pretty much worthless. If you’ve lived in the region for more than a year than you should never be surprised by sunny days turning to crap on the turn of a dime. Might as well be surprised when lake effect snow gives you a foot of snow but the next city north or south gets an inch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75522285


Holy crap dude you don’t have a clue . I have lived on the Great Lakes just shy of 60 years and I am on the beach everyday and an avid outdoorsman/waterman , as well as a farmer, I grew up in the outdoors and pay very close attention to weather as my life depends on it
When you have a beautiful sunny sky but as many as 30 airplanes in sight leaving heavy chemtrails, and watch those exact trails slowly expand over hours and completely fill the sky , blocking out the sun, it’s no fucking accident!

SMH too fucking much lately. Jesus. It’s blatantly obvious
 Quoting: Malu nli


They are obviously contrails.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76998126


So we have so much pollution from airplanes that it blocks out the sun? and whether you call it chemtrails or contrails it’s poison. Just last week it was so low that it drifted down on top of me. A day after heavy spraying I have heard from a lot of people that they have difficulty breathing.

I don’t care what you call it, they are either trying to kill us “chemtrails “ or they simply don’t give a shit and pollute “contrails”

But there have been numerous papers written by government agencies on weather modification and openly admit to the practice
 Quoting: Malu nli


Not pollution. Ice crystals . An awful lot of them (think about the compressors in a jet engine and the fuel it burns.), under high pressure into a VERY cold atmosphere. Essentially, a cirrus cloud.

You have received zero fallout from a trail. I challenge you to back up such a claim with evidence.

Please take an hour to learn about contrails. They aren't all that complicated once you understand the conditions up there. Which also explains why planes "near" each other can have differing contrails.

I'm sorry but the next words I type are just fact: Chemtards have failed to understand contrails.


DONE
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The primary source of chemtrail is the minds of scientifically illiterate paranoid retards.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46815417


:chempark: I apologise, some of us have not yet evolved above believing the evidence of our own eyes and logical thought.
 Quoting: Judethz


What good is seeing something if you can't understand what you see?

And, you can't in the case of the trails in the sky.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30136724


Actually that is a lie. It is you that can’t understand what your eyes see, so don’t put your inability on us! Again we say, LookUp!
 Quoting: Grateful1


Wrong. Those of us who have bothered to learn about jet engines and contrails understand YOUR inability to understand basic science. It's painfully obvious that chemtards are ignorant. And any true scientist will back my claim up.
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They are obviously contrails.
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Yet prior to the mid 90's jet aircraft Erika left a vapour trail that disappeared in

a few minutes. Would you care to explain why that is? And also why they still do today.
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yeah..your eyeballs..its obvious
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They are obviously contrails.
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Yet prior to the mid 90's jet aircraft :Erika: left a vapour trail that disappeared in

a few minutes. Would you care to explain why that is? And also why they still do today.
 Quoting: Judethz


again, YOUR ignorance is showing. There is a video online of someone going through books on the subject from many decades ago which state, according to the experts that wrote them, that contrails can last for hours and spread. Like I have seen since the late 60's.

Some places just didn't have high altitude flyover traffic until the 90's .

Also, additional airports and flights mean that airplanes need to fly higher to maintain separation.

There are many facets to the explanation that answers your questions but, explaining them to you seems to be a waste of time. You are a true believer and I accept that about you. I happen to put my trust into REAL science. I understand it, I practice it, and I love it,. And I am compelled to defend it.
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yeah..your eyeballs..its obvious
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Yup, we all see them.

And apparently we all have varying ability to understand them.
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yeah..your eyeballs..its obvious
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Yup, we all see them.

And apparently we all have varying ability to understand them.
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I don't know what they are, I just knnow they are not normal contrails. They expand and gray out the sky and look greasy and they appear where there are no normal flight paths.