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How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?

 
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Fertility , TJ had 11 children some were born late in his 60's .

the key to life extension is tied to the reproductive system

It makes a sort of sense that the reproductive system would be involved in life span, since that is really the only ‘immortal' part of an organism. In that context, the body is just the mortal envelope


I bet trump is going to be the first president to live well over 100 because

Trump is fertile af
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Whole foods and no packaged shit and dont get vaccinated. BUt today we drink poisoned water, breath poison air, carry around small radiation devices, what could go wrong? Safe to say don't take governments advice they allow for all of it.
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Revelation 18:23

For they were great men of the earth, by their pharmaceuticals were all nations deceived!!
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Just curious how they lived so long, while I have baby boomer relatives and friends dying much younger.
Just think about it Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams lived when there was no pharm meds for anxiety, no vaccines, no x-rays, no modern hospitals, and no modern medical science but yet they all lived well into their 80s and beyond.
What was their diet?
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
they did not have modern evil "medicine" slated to kill them.

Vaccines,
Modern food: Processed poisons, HFCS, MSG, Soy, Etc.

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They knew a lot of shit back then also we are lead to believe modern medicine is magic and the only cure there is.
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Just curious how they lived so long, while I have baby boomer relatives and friends dying much younger.
Just think about it Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams lived when there was no pharm meds for anxiety, no vaccines, no x-rays, no modern hospitals, and no modern medical science but yet they all lived well into their 80s and beyond.
What was their diet?
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Necrocannibalpedophelia, with non-fat ranch dressing.
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Hahaha, you chose three men from history, thinking they had some magical prescription for long life. Did you look up their history? Franklin had issues with pneumonia from the age of 21. Jefferson had symptoms of pancreatic cancer for years before he passed. Adams an Jefferson both died on the same day, but Adams son died before the father.

And I see posts about they didn't have GMO or soda or processed food. Balderdash!

They were fortunate enough to make something of their lives so that idiots would notice their accomplishments and their "long life" and try to make a connection to their lifestyle to long life. Balderdash again!

People today live much longer who smoke or dont drink, drink or don't smoke, have sex with one person or half the population.

Lifestyle has nothing to do with long life, only one thing has to do with long life...

When the Lord calls you, time is up. Period.

Enjoy life.

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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Also they had no cars, planes, and trains.
No Netflix, rock n roll or internet but still all three made it to 83 and up. None of them lifted weights in the gyms.
Amazing that they all lived that long when the life expectancy I think was 40 back then.
I wonder what diet they ate that kept them so healthy?
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What the fuck does netflix and rock and roll have to do with age? most of these modern things are what cause anxiety and health issues.. old days they had zero chemicals in food and no medications that kill you
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We haven't been lied to.
They give it away everyday only in bits and pieces.
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they didn't have the stress of fighting communist invaders all the time?
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Also they had no cars, planes, and trains.
No Netflix, rock n roll or internet but still all three made it to 83 and up. None of them lifted weights in the gyms.
Amazing that they all lived that long when the life expectancy I think was 40 back then.
I wonder what diet they ate that kept them so healthy?
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Life expectancy was lowered by a high infant mortality rate. People who survived two years often lived long lives.
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Last year I got interested in my ancestry and traced it back 10 generations on both sides. First arrivals in America were in early 1600's, both sides of my family.

Ancestry gives you birth and death dates for each ancestor. The programs analyzed all the life spans of my ancestors and determined that over 80% lived into their 80's and 90's. I know when I was born I had 4 great-grandmothers who all lived to be at least 95.

I think those who survived childhood diseases had a good chance of a long life, due to healthier food, natural healing practices, etc. Many of my ancestors were farmers, not slaveowners, so I reject that explanation.

Scientism likes to assert that all good things began with science. Far from it. Remember "Better living through chemistry"? Nope. More like "Better living without chemistry."
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Thomas Jefferson does not need any fucking anxiety medication i can tell you that right the fuck now
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Let's ask William Jefferson...ohno

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they did not have vaccines to kill them
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Hahaha, you chose three men from history, thinking they had some magical prescription for long life. Did you look up their history? Franklin had issues with pneumonia from the age of 21. Jefferson had symptoms of pancreatic cancer for years before he passed. Adams an Jefferson both died on the same day, but Adams son died before the father.

And I see posts about they didn't have GMO or soda or processed food. Balderdash!

They were fortunate enough to make something of their lives so that idiots would notice their accomplishments and their "long life" and try to make a connection to their lifestyle to long life. Balderdash again!

People today live much longer who smoke or dont drink, drink or don't smoke, have sex with one person or half the population.

Lifestyle has nothing to do with long life, only one thing has to do with long life...

When the Lord calls you, time is up. Period.

Enjoy life.
 Quoting: Ham&Eggs


Maybe your time is up, Ham etc.

Others, not eating the crap,
Not taking the vaccine crap,
not listening to the Murder Doctors (MDs)
Maybe they will live like the founding fathers mentioned...

bf51

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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Just curious how they lived so long, while I have baby boomer relatives and friends dying much younger.
Just think about it Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams lived when there was no pharm meds for anxiety, no vacines, no x-rays, no modern hospitals, and no modern medical science but yet they all lived well into their 80s and beyond.
What was their diet?
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Slaves
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Bullshit.

They had a different kind of medicine then and they ate much healthier.
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Just curious how they lived so long, while I have baby boomer relatives and friends dying much younger.
Just think about it Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams lived when there was no pharm meds for anxiety, no vacines, no x-rays, no modern hospitals, and no modern medical science but yet they all lived well into their 80s and beyond.
What was their diet?
 Quoting: WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO


Slaves
 Quoting: Leftfoot


Bullshit.

They had a different kind of medicine then and they ate much healthier.
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lol please do not deny they did not have slaves doing everything for them though which i don't care i love it
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Hahaha, you chose three men from history, thinking they had some magical prescription for long life. Did you look up their history? Franklin had issues with pneumonia from the age of 21. Jefferson had symptoms of pancreatic cancer for years before he passed. Adams an Jefferson both died on the same day, but Adams son died before the father.

And I see posts about they didn't have GMO or soda or processed food. Balderdash!

They were fortunate enough to make something of their lives so that idiots would notice their accomplishments and their "long life" and try to make a connection to their lifestyle to long life. Balderdash again!

People today live much longer who smoke or dont drink, drink or don't smoke, have sex with one person or half the population.

Lifestyle has nothing to do with long life, only one thing has to do with long life...

When the Lord calls you, time is up. Period.

Enjoy life.
 Quoting: Ham&Eggs


Maybe your time is up, Ham etc.

Others, not eating the crap,
Not taking the vaccine crap,
not listening to the Murder Doctors (MDs)
Maybe they will live like the founding fathers mentioned...

bf51
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Gee, that makes lots of sense. Its not like they lived to 100, why didn't they?
My grandmother lived to 106. My uncle lived to 89, longer than all these men. Explain?

You can't, because longevity has nothing to do with lifestyle, food or pollution.
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Pesticides, herbicides, and GMO crops did not exist.

All food was 100% ORGANIC.

The heart and core of your immune system is in your gut.

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No chem trails or vaccinations or G5 etc etc. herbal remindies.
If you made it to teenage years life was good.
The low life span average was due to high infant mortality. It is a harsh reality it it made humans stronger (that lived).
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
....longevity has nothing to do with lifestyle, food or pollution.
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The Stupid is strong with this one...

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The simple answer is, the soils were not depleted by 'soil mining' (ie moderna agri-biz). So their food was nutrient dense. And the 'people only lived to 40 bullshit' is simply that. They had a higher level of child deaths which skews the data.
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Thanks. I am just discovering and learning about our forefathers now. I am moving on from looking up to celebrities like I did.
If anybody as any good recommendations of good books and good movies about our forefathers I would be interested.
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All of these were really good reads.


Washington: A Life

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]


John Adams

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]


Benjamin Franklin

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]


Jefferson's Great Gamble: The Remarkable Story of Jefferson, Napoleon and the Men behind the Louisiana Purchase

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Hahaha, you chose three men from history, thinking they had some magical prescription for long life. Did you look up their history? Franklin had issues with pneumonia from the age of 21. Jefferson had symptoms of pancreatic cancer for years before he passed. Adams an Jefferson both died on the same day, but Adams son died before the father.

And I see posts about they didn't have GMO or soda or processed food. Balderdash!

They were fortunate enough to make something of their lives so that idiots would notice their accomplishments and their "long life" and try to make a connection to their lifestyle to long life. Balderdash again!

People today live much longer who smoke or dont drink, drink or don't smoke, have sex with one person or half the population.

Lifestyle has nothing to do with long life, only one thing has to do with long life...

When the Lord calls you, time is up. Period.

Enjoy life.
 Quoting: Ham&Eggs


Maybe your time is up, Ham etc.

Others, not eating the crap,
Not taking the vaccine crap,
not listening to the Murder Doctors (MDs)
Maybe they will live like the founding fathers mentioned...

bf51
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


Gee, that makes lots of sense. Its not like they lived to 100, why didn't they?
My grandmother lived to 106. My uncle lived to 89, longer than all these men. Explain?

You can't, because longevity has nothing to do with lifestyle, food or pollution.
 Quoting: Ham&Eggs

Explanation:

Grandma Ham wanted to live long enough to beat some
sense into the head of one Ham... Grandchild.
Sadly, she failed.

Uncle Ham, died trying as well.

'Splained.
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No GMO food
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Currently in this:


The Reagan Diaries

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Coming up:

AMERICAN LION: Andrew Jackson in the White House

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]


and this:

Polk: The Man Who Transformed the Presidency and America

[link to www.amazon.com (secure)]

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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
It is readily explainable:

The childhood diseases of old killed off about 1/3 of all children (up to 50% in some places), which meant that those who had a Weak Constitution DIED EARLY!! (that skews the average age of death)

Of those who made it past childhood the death rates from accidents for those who worked with their bodies WAS HIGH. Serious injury working ... well you DIED!! (that skews the average age of death)

A LOT of heredity type or bad lifestyle diseases crop up from late 40's to about 60. There was NO keeping people alive on perpetual drug regimines back then so when various diseases would crop up in one's late 40's through 50's if your body was not strong enough to fight it off by itself YOU DIED!! (that skews the average age of death)

If you could make it to 60 in good health and were NOT a manual laborer other than a simple farmer, even in those days, you would probably live into at least your mid 70's, with actually fairly high odds that you would live into your 80's!! THAT is about the same as today!!

Back then if you were in good health, with NO genetic issues (heart, diabetes etc.) and had lived a good lifestyle ... well your NATURAL life expectancy was about the same than at 60 as it is today!!

The BIG difference for older people today is that with MASSIVE medical intervention we can keep VERY SICK people alive for a few more years, but at a horrible lifestyle for most of them. Take away our industrial based medical intervention ability (say electric power goes out for 9 months and manufactured drugs become unavailable) then you would have a HUGE DIE OFF today of older people who can not survive without constant medical intervention (which is maybe 1/4 of those over 70).
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Modern medicine keeps them alive long enough to pass their shitty genes on to their offspring. It used to be that nature keep the herd healthy and strong, but modern medicine fucked that all up.
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Hahaha, you chose three men from history, thinking they had some magical prescription for long life. Did you look up their history? Franklin had issues with pneumonia from the age of 21. Jefferson had symptoms of pancreatic cancer for years before he passed. Adams an Jefferson both died on the same day, but Adams son died before the father.

And I see posts about they didn't have GMO or soda or processed food. Balderdash!

They were fortunate enough to make something of their lives so that idiots would notice their accomplishments and their "long life" and try to make a connection to their lifestyle to long life. Balderdash again!

People today live much longer who smoke or dont drink, drink or don't smoke, have sex with one person or half the population.

Lifestyle has nothing to do with long life, only one thing has to do with long life...

When the Lord calls you, time is up. Period.

Enjoy life.
 Quoting: Ham&Eggs


Maybe your time is up, Ham etc.

Others, not eating the crap,
Not taking the vaccine crap,
not listening to the Murder Doctors (MDs)
Maybe they will live like the founding fathers mentioned...

bf51
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


Gee, that makes lots of sense. Its not like they lived to 100, why didn't they?
My grandmother lived to 106. My uncle lived to 89, longer than all these men. Explain?

You can't, because longevity has nothing to do with lifestyle, food or pollution.
 Quoting: Ham&Eggs

Explanation:

Grandma Ham wanted to live long enough to beat some
sense into the head of one Ham... Grandchild.
Sadly, she failed.

Uncle Ham, died trying as well.

'Splained.
bf9
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Again, that makes lots of sense, but then this generation believes a man with plastic put under his nipples and his dick cut off make him a female. The stupidity is strong in this generation.
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....longevity has nothing to do with lifestyle, food or pollution.
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The Stupid is strong with this one...

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 Quoting: Zovalex


This generation believes a man with plastic put under his nipples and his dick cut off make him a female. The stupidity is strong in this generation.
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Re: How did founding fathers like Ben Frankin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams live into their 80s without modern medicine?
Good genes and a whole lot of good luck combined with better living conditions for the upper class of course.

In those days, having 12 children and losing 8 of those to all sorts of diseases ranging from the flu over pneumonia to malnutrition were the rule rather than an exception. Only the strong survived. Natural selection. Dying of the same as an adult also, compounded by degenerative diseases, exhaustion, war, famine, poverty ...

So to answer your comparative question: you and your friends are just the lower to middle class of those days. You already have a much more increased life expectancy than your ancestor counterparts thanks to scientific advancements of the last 40 years.

Why did Bush, Kissinger, Brzezinski, Churchill ... the queen of England become so old? They're political elites with better, less stressful or exhausting lives who only get the best of the best day in and out ... with your tax-payer money, blood, sweat and tears.