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Health concerns urge Wi-Fi removal

 
Leo****

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06/04/2007 07:49 PM
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Go get in a car accident... that is the most darn dangerous thing you can do... DRIVE...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 246820


So true. That's why the BT handsfree headset was invented and why I use it when driving, greatly reduces the risk of causing accidents while driving. Or so it is believed. It is also believed that the slight BT microwave radiation could be harmful since it has been shown to open up the blood-brain barrier - in mice as I said. Some believe mice could be a good model for humans in this case.

What do we *actually* know about any of this? All we know is that *if* there actually are any harmful effects from the wide-ranging proliferation of WiFi technologies, it is likely to be seen only in a very long time perspective. And since literally everyone are exposed in one way or another, there are no valid control groups to be found if you want to perform scientific experiments to show the believed effects.

This matter is increasingly inseparable from religious belief, the way I see it. My only conlusion is to follow what I feel is the right way to relate to it, minimizing *unnecessary* exposure while watching out for the paranoia and also being vigilant to any new facts that may be revealed.

/L
silly sally
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06/04/2007 07:52 PM
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Try this.. cut the power off to your house... and set and talk to a friend..
You'll notice many things...
you'll be able to remember names of people and places..
you will not go blank when you try to think of something.
Leo****

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06/04/2007 08:03 PM
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Try this.. cut the power off to your house... and set and talk to a friend..
You'll notice many things...
you'll be able to remember names of people and places..
you will not go blank when you try to think of something.
 Quoting: silly sally 246237


Intriguing idea... you tried this?


Here is another idea. Take your friend with you into the wilderness, far outside the reach of the microwave towers. Notice the change in your state of mind when having a chat by the bonfire. I've tried this many times and it works every time to get in tune with things.

Then again, I realize that I lack the capability to live outside of "the matrix" for very long.

Maybe it is just a conditioned belief.

/L
Anonymous Coward
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06/04/2007 09:06 PM
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An alternative is to network with the phone lines wired inside your house. Anyone tried this?
 Quoting: BeijingComm NCCCPC

lol

Har Har... that's sooo 1997!
BuRn
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06/04/2007 09:27 PM
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Just wondering...
All those screaming about a raise in risk on "brain cancer" or other diseases : As you guys probably frequently visit GLP :
- How many chips do you eat a week?
- How many coke do you drink a week
- How many fast food do you eat a week?
- How many "Energy Drinks" do you drink a week?
- How many times do you get your skin "sun tanned" a week ?
etc... etc... etc... etc...
You know why I am asking that? All of the above are thousands of times more risky than the bit of radiation coming from a wifi set or a cell phone.

Oh, and another thing : how many of you are working on a laptop. Any idea about the frequency of your processor? Maybe THAT ONE is harmfull too. No? Just do the check and see what comes out of your computer case.

Up until now there is NO scientific evidence which is widely accepted that it IS or IS NOT harmfull or harmless (neither for wifi, neither for cell phone).
So the ONLY correct attitude is the one I read in just a COUPLE of posts here : just be moderate in using those things. Just use one or two, don't cover your whole house with it. And don't put those wifi sets next to your head or your ears. Same thing for cell phones : don't call for hours a day. So it won't harm you in ANY way (just read the details of the investigations which say it is all harmfull: those details will tell you that those people who got supposedly a disease of it, were exposed in a far, far, far higher and frequent rate than normal people.But hey, I can tell you : if you drink a litre of coca and a litre of cofee a day, you will die from stomach cancer too. Very probable. Does this mean that you need to forbid coca and cofee? No? Ok, then we do understand each other.

Anyway, posts like this allow "silent ones" like me to see who on this forum is having brains and is using them and who are the woowoos...
thanks for the original poster for clearing this out. Again... LoL

GreetZ,
BuRn
hooked on phonics
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06/04/2007 09:34 PM
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I tried a 5GHz cordless and a 2GHz cordless phone. Both interfered with my sleep. I turned them off and got a 900MHz phone. The older technology doesn't keep sending a signal when not in use. You can get a 900 MHz phone for about $15. Those high frequency phones all send out a signal even when the phone is off the hook. It's like having a mini cell phone tower inside your house.
Anonymous Coward
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06/04/2007 09:37 PM
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BuRN
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06/04/2007 09:38 PM
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Oops... Seems I copy pasted... sry :-/
Anonymous Coward
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06/04/2007 09:42 PM
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Some individuals are more sensitive to this low-level microwave radiation than others. Don't be so quick to dismiss the anecdotal evidence.

If you don't think it's a problem for you, I suggest moving your 2 or 5GHz cordless phone base station to your bedside table. See how well you sleep after that.
Anonymous Coward
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06/04/2007 09:54 PM
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Downtown Toronto is now completely Wi-Fi. Since I've been living in a house "wired" with wi-fi I can barely remember anything! It's really really annoying. Now that I hear other people noticing the same thing, I noticed it too! I never put two and two together...
Anonymous Coward
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06/04/2007 10:01 PM
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Downtown Toronto is now completely Wi-Fi. Since I've been living in a house "wired" with wi-fi I can barely remember anything! It's really really annoying. Now that I hear other people noticing the same thing, I noticed it too! I never put two and two together...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 246886


Yeah, all this high frequency (>1GHz) wireless shit is less than 20 years old. We're all guinea pigs in a giant lab experiment. I'm right next to a wi-fi antenna in my office. Since they put it up, my ability to concentrate and remember details has gone down. I have to write down things or I'll forget what I did a week ago.
Anonymous Coward
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06/04/2007 10:16 PM
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I started a thread about three weeks ago about how I can hear the wifi frequency...some other people posted that they can hear it too.....
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06/04/2007 10:55 PM
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Philadelphia is building a citywide giant wifi network. San Francisco soon to follow.
 Quoting: BeijingComm NCCCPC


So is Montreal, they are trying to build a WIFI network for underground subway's so users can use their laptops, internets, and cellphone underground while riding the train..
Anonymous Coward
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06/04/2007 11:08 PM
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Is there anything that can create a field around your person that will act as a barrier? Or is the tin foil hat the only option?

Can one frequency deflect another? Can these waves even be deflected or is it just a matter of absorption?
Master Luke
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06/04/2007 11:29 PM
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I agree with the WiFi concern, i have worked with wifi systems for some time, and have a good understanding of what it does, and know what it does, concentrating power into RF and emmiting it to occupied space (Expecially in the microwave band) is dangerous, i think it will be a major issue in the near future that will have to be addressed, as we see more and more coming down with cancer, the same and mutch worse for cell phones, i first became aware of these issues after i noticed i was getting an ear ach on the side i would have my cell phone on my head, every time i used the cell phone, both are microwave, both are dangerous.

for those of you that think this is all BS,

AT LEAST... go and get some education on the topic before you come on here calling it as sutch.


I Call BS on the people that are always calling BS!

anyone can call BS on things they dont understand.

bsflag
Anonymous Coward
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06/04/2007 11:36 PM
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Yes, the knee-jerk BS flags are getting old.
Master Luke
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06/04/2007 11:38 PM
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There are several good websites that sell shielding supplys for RF radiation, one of them is:

[link to www.lessemf.com]


it can get tricky trying to shiekd yourself from wifi or cellular devices.


the best thing to do is just disconnect the power from the wifi device,most people wont miss it, or distance yourself from it.



also i have heard of devices that lessen the harmfull effects from microwave radiation, Micro ovens,cell towers,cell phones ect.

called blocking diodes i believe.
Anonymous Coward
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06/05/2007 02:38 AM
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This is why i dont have my wifi router anywhere near me....
Anonymous Coward
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06/05/2007 05:05 AM
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Oh yeah! I forgot to mention that.


Yes. I have them and I don't know why anyone wastes time with the old technology. The devolo gives 200mb and is just plug and play. Rock solid too. Works really well.

Regardless of whether wireless is a danger, networking via the powerlines is so superior you will never look back.

 Quoting: BeijingComm NCCCPC


We are extremely happy with our Devolo AC-based network. The wireless was slow and flaky thanks to a well built house with thick walls. So we only had usable wifi in a few rooms anyway.

But with the devolo ... different story. Just plugged then in, had the entire place networked at very high speed (not 200mb but close) and the difference was amazing! No delays at all when sharinng iTunes or playing movies on different machines.

Honestly, folk, network over the power lines. The cabling's all in place, the speeds are fantastic, the network is rock solid and reliable... you won't regret it.
Anonymous Coward
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06/05/2007 05:45 AM
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yup cant change a mac address
common sense
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06/05/2007 07:04 AM
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The Truth About Mobile Phones and Wi-Fi Andrew Goldsworthy 2007 Do not believe the government or the Health Protection Agency when they say mobile phones (and by implication Wi-Fi) are safe; they are not. They can cause excruciating pain to some “electrosensitive” individuals, they interfere with normal brain function and have been shown to shatter the DNA in living human cell cultures. All of this can be found in peer-reviewed scientific journals but, until now, has not been in the public domain. The government and the Health Protection Agency are under huge pressure from the mobile phone industry (from which the government receives tens of billions of pounds in tax and licence fees) to deny that there are any health effects at all. They usually hide behind out-of-date “official” safety guidelines that were drawn up when it was thought that the only way that living organisms could be harmed by electromagnetic radiation was if it were sufficiently strong to cause significant heating. This is totally false. There have been countless papers in scientific journals over several decades that show very clearly that there are non-thermal biological effects (some of them extremely harmful) of electromagnetic fields that are well below the official safety guidelines. Their last line of defence was by asserting that there is no known mechanism by which the extremely low energies of these fields could possibly have the claimed biological effects. However this last bastion was cracked when I published just such a mechanism and it is surprisingly simple. It has been known for over thirty years that weak (but not strong) electromagnetic fields can selectively remove calcium ions from cell membranes. But these ions play a vital role in stabilising the membranes; their loss makes them more likely to leak, and this can account for virtually all of the known biological effects of weak electromagnetic fields. These membranes, which are only two molecules thick, surround each living cell and also divide it up into various internal compartments. From our standpoint, the most important compartments are the lysosomes, which are normally responsible for recycling cellular waste and are packed with digestive enzymes. If they leak due to electromagnetic exposure, these enzymes are released into the rest of the cell and begin to digest it. The cell literally tries to “eat” itself. This causes the fragmentation of DNA which has been seen in many studies and the skin rashes found in many electrosensitives. Changes in the permeability of nerve cell membranes can generate false action potentials, which degrade the signal to noise ratio of the brain and reduce its ability to perform complex tasks and, in some people (about 3 percent of the population), cause physiological symptoms ranging from mild pins and needles to extreme fatigue and severe pain. But probably the most dangerous effect is DNA fragmentation, which causes a loss of fertility and predicts genetic damage to future generations. With getting on for two billion mobile phones now in existence, their cumulative effect threatens the entire human genome. For more on this, visit [link to dont_use_this.com] .

transcript Panorarma BBC
[link to www.radiationresearch.org]

[link to www.mast-victims.org]

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BeijingComm NCCCPC

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06/05/2007 08:20 AM
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Won't make much difference. The signals are sprayed around the house.

This is why i dont have my wifi router anywhere near me....
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BeijingComm NCCCPC

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06/05/2007 08:28 AM
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You made a very important point. I doubt the stores still carry 900 mhz phones. Maybe have to look on ebay.

It's sick that they keep coming out with higher and higher frequencies. They really mess with your metabolism.

I tried a 5GHz cordless and a 2GHz cordless phone. Both interfered with my sleep. I turned them off and got a 900MHz phone. The older technology doesn't keep sending a signal when not in use. You can get a 900 MHz phone for about $15. Those high frequency phones all send out a signal even when the phone is off the hook. It's like having a mini cell phone tower inside your house.
 Quoting: hooked on phonics 193848





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